X800Pro,, 16 pipelines

[OPPAINTER]

What do I use to check the # of pipes being used.

I did the mod and need to see if it's working:D

OPP

[Endre]

Cool. :D How do you do that mod?

You can use RivaTuner or ATiTool.

[TommyW]

i think ati tool for overclock and you need to flash the card...
:banana: i wish i get 400$ :D

[Soulburner]

You could just run the 3DMark2001 Fillrate tests before/after as well. You will know if its working :D

[OPPAINTER]

There has to be somthing that shows it.
Other then the fonominal scores I'll be getting:D

OPP

[TommyW]

and you can check if where are 16pip or still 12pip with aida32...

[bachus_anonym]

ATI tool should definetely show it... at least those screens (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36003) prove it...

[TommyW]

Originally posted by bachus_anonym
ATI tool should definetely show it... at least those screens (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36003) prove it...

Please give me a link to ati tool...

thanks ;)

[Endre]

Originally posted by TommyW
Please give me a link to ati tool...

thanks ;)
You'll find it here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36003). ;)

[OPPAINTER]

Damn, It didn't work:D
I guess I'll try close the bridge again.

OPP

[pkrew]

Isn't there 2 bridges. If so, I wonder if it makes a difference which one or if you have to close both.

[k|ngp|n]

Bummer..... I figured you'd get it :P

[bachus_anonym]

double check the connection, OPP.... make it work, damn it :D

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by pkrew
Isn't there 2 bridges. If so, I wonder if it makes a difference which one or if you have to close both.

There are 2 bridges, only one is cut. I tryed closeing the one, maybe I didn't get contact.

OPP

[pkrew]

Its either that or the guy was jerking our chain. Could also be that it depends on who makes the card. I'm not sure why that would make a difference though.

[AcEmAsTr]

come on opp, give us something to dream of!

[Boyne7]

itd be soooo sweet if you could get that to work

[Arkangyl]

Give us non-ub3r rich folk some hope that the X800 Pro will kick (more) arse!!

Any news on the 6800 GT's BTW???

[TommyW]

The new gt version is faster then the uktra? or its in the between 6800 and the ultra?

[jan]

Its in between 6800 and Ultra

Ultra 400 Core 550 (1100) Mem
GT 350 Core 500 (1000) Mem

both have 16 pipes and gddr3

[LilGator]

Two successes:

Phemo - http://www.phemo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/xt3.jpg

3DMark2001SE Before - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7844376

3DMark2001SE After - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7864146

3DM03 Before = 10934

3DM03 After = http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2577914 12075

Chris_UK - http://www.andovernaturalproducts.co.uk/working.JPG

3DM03 Before = 11800

3DM03 After = http://www.andovernaturalproducts.co.uk/working1.JPG 13487 ( 630/585 )

:toast:

[althes]

bad luck opp, try again

[LilGator]

Here is what Phemo tried:

" know the first thing you'll ask is how I did it. Well, I got a very sharp knife and scraped off my previous conductive paintwork, then I used the knife to scrape away at the two points - we are using the right points after all. I scraped them away until there was some bare copper exposed, bright copper instead of the usual dull, then re-did the paint job, booted Windows up and ran ATITool, she now apparently has 16 pipes"

[althes]

yeah it works, let the fun begin

[Boyne7]

IT WORKS?????!!!!!!!

[FrozenGPU]

Praise the lord!! :)

[Boyne7]

YES Praise the lord!! :)

[StormPC]

I'll feel better when OPP post back here. He's redoing it right now. I'm starting the mod myself as I type this. If it works.....woooooohoooooooooo!!!

[pkrew]

Knowing OPP, he's probably benching it as an XT at the moment.

[TommyW]

Nice!!
i wait and buy x800se... mybe i get x800pro (almost) ... x800se use gddr and not gddr3 :( or mybe i get gf 6800nu

[scrible88]

holy $hit it works!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am getting one!!!!!

[STEvil]

sweeeeeet..

scribble, pm being sent ;)

[StormPC]

Originally posted by pkrew
Knowing OPP, he's probably benching it as an XT at the moment.

Sorry, not the case unfortunately. I spoke to him on the phone 20 minutes ago. He said he'll post a screenie if he gets it to work.

He's using conductive ink. The pads were probably not clean enough to make a good connection. The pads are DAMN small!

Well, here goes nothing.;)

[LilGator]

Is he trying a knife, scratching it down to the copper traces ?

[STEvil]

could there be copper at the bottom of the pit between the connections that may be grounding out the mod, like on amd xp chips?

[TyphooN]

this is awsome, time to sell my 9800 and save up. i just read the whole oc_uk thread.. this kicks ass =]

[OPPAINTER]

Done :D

OPP

[pkrew]

Great job OPP, can hardly wait to try it when I get one:toast:

[scrible88]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Done :D

OPP

Yes!

Was it fairly easy? What EXACTLY did you have to do to the bridges?

:banana: :banana: :banana:

[DaveX]

Did these guys come up with it?
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?threadid=17229767&perpage=40&pagenumber=5

[iceman2g]

OPPAINTER good job. Can't wait to see your 3DMark scores.

[Kunaak]

Opp, so what exactly do you do and use??

cut into the core, till you see alittle copper and connect it with conductive ink, then flash to the X800 XT Bios?

[piercedandtatto]

Yes, please tell:) :) :)
As soon as i know exactly how its done im gonna do it. Been waiting almost 2 weeks for this:toast:

[DaveX]

This link from iceman2g tells you how to do it.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?threadid=17229767&perpage=40&pagenumber=5

EDIT: Seems like Chris_UK, Phemo and some random Korean guy did it successfully first.

[Djuice]

damn great work thre...

[bachus_anonym]

well, so far it looks like all x800 series have 16 fully functional pipelines. so no "broken" cores. that's good news for us and bad news for ATI.
as i recall they said somewhere they "were aware of pipes-unlocking and this time took certain steps to avoid what happened in past"... i guess it didn't work :-)

congrats...

[OPPAINTER]

I lost it for some reason. I'm back to 12:D

OPP

[Mrstickinit]

You "lost" it OPP?? Did you scrape off the pins so they were shiny copper before you closed them?

I was really waiting for you to confirm this before I tried it.... :) :) :)

[bachus_anonym]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I lost it for some reason. I'm back to 12:D

OPP
:confused: :mad: come on OPP, u don't just loose 4 pipes :D

[StormPC]

I did the mod. I still show 12 pipes. Do I need the XT BIOS in order to get 16 pipes?

[piercedandtatto]

Originally posted by StormPC
I did the mod. I still show 12 pipes. Do I need the XT BIOS in order to get 16 pipes?

You shouldn't ned the flash... I have seen screenshots where the card was still recognized as a pro but had 16 pipes.

[CrunchTime]

Lol this is amazing. Great job you xtreme SOBs. Im just going to get the X800XT and save the trouble ;)

[Djuice]

NOOOO!!! How can you just lose 4 pipes... there are like huge long circular thingies!!!! Did someone come over your place with spanners and bolt removal tools???

[Kanavit]

You guys are something special. Oppainter, Hope you can find those 4 parallel pipelines back! LOL

[STEvil]

conductive material probably never had time to dry ;)

storm - did you scrape the top of the contact points first to make sure you had a good contact?

[DisposableHero]

good job my man

[StormPC]

Originally posted by STEvil
conductive material probably never had time to dry ;)

storm - did you scrape the top of the contact points first to make sure you had a good contact?

Obviously not good enough. Will try again in the morning. I'm pretty sure this is going to work. It's just very difficult because the whole thing is so damn small.:mad:

[Kunaak]

what can you use as a conductive material??

[StormPC]

Originally posted by Kunaak
what can you use as a conductive material??

OPP and I use this conductive ink that comes in a pen type of dispenser. It works well most of the time but it's kinda thick and dries very fast. We'll get it though I think. We just have to clean the pads really well and after the inking we need to allow sufficient dry times.

Cheers!:toast:

[Mini]

Darn... Now im thinkin about gettin a pro :D Hehe...

Im gonna follow this thread very closely :D

Why dont u just smolder a copper wire so that there is 200% contact...

But... Where is it exactly??? Its just righ of the vore isnt it???

[morbidj]

Man from the looks of it I would think it would next to impossbile to line up a really small wire on those tiny contact points. I am sure some one with uber 1337 skillz will do it soon though?

[DisposableHero]

heres the pics from http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?threadid=17230558

http://www.andovernaturalproducts.co.uk/x800Pro1.jpg

[Mini]

whats that red line between the 2 dots???

I think i could smolder a copper wire in there... Thin handy fingers are always great :P

Offtopic: Metallica are you gonna se Metallica on their europe tour?? I saw them 2 days ago in denmark(Home of Lars Ulrik the drummer) Darn that was great!!!

Edit: Any1 know for sure if X800pro/xt cores are under or over the shim??? I hate removing that thing... Cut my last card with the hobby knife...

Is it true you can use dental flos???

[Djuice]

I think you have to use the conductive ink to connect those two dots???sp?

[DisposableHero]

Originally posted by Mini
whats that red line between the 2 dots???

I think i could smolder a copper wire in there... Thin handy fingers are always great :P

Offtopic: Metallica are you gonna se Metallica on their europe tour?? I saw them 2 days ago in denmark(Home of Lars Ulrik the drummer) Darn that was great!!!

Edit: Any1 know for sure if X800pro/xt cores are under or over the shim??? I hate removing that thing... Cut my last card with the hobby knife...

Is it true you can use dental flos???

that red line connecting the 2 dots is where you are supposed to connect...

as for metallica.... i saw them back in march when they were in Los Angeles!

[Mini]

So the red light is something they drew up in paint or whatever??? Hehe... Was just thinkin that must look wierd if its actually onthe card... :o

[dpa]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?threadid=17230558

[brwmogazos]

back to the XP unlocking days...it was so easy to unlock these cpu them days...did quite a few with success with the first try....

still got some conductive paint...i am going for the XT though....

does the Xt have a faster memory than the PRO or are they the same?

[Djuice]

Dafault XT should have 550Mhz for the ram while the PRO only has 450Mhz

[Kunaak]

2 NS on the pro, 1.6 NS on the XT

[blinky]

kunaak u get urs all painted up yet?

[Kunaak]

I tried twice.
it didn't work for me.

I need to get some real conductive ink pens or something.
all I have is a old kit I bought for Xps and its been sitting in a box for about a year now unused.
I guess its no good anymore.

[interman]

you first have to go to real dos and flash it to the xt bios, THEN do the connecting

[Kunaak]

I know.

[LilGator]

"I went over and over it until the middle where the tiny dip is you could actually see the copper there as well so it was like 3 dots all in the line, a new one in the middle...." - Chis_UK

[andyddr]

Kunaak have you tried a pencil?

[texuspete00]

I just use rear window defogger kit for everything. Its like a paint and while it would be hard to get real fine... you dont need to. You do the best you can and scrape the rest away. I've gotten 4 or 5 uses so far for my little $7 jar... always handy. My ol' palomino is still unlocked and remember this is five bridges so buried under a heatsink (or other ;) ) you needn't worry of it coming off.

[StormPC]

Well the fact that I tried twice with no success and OPP has yet to post back saying that the 4 pipes came back leads me to believe that somebody is keeping secrets, or this whole thing is BS.

Guess I'll just keep digging until the truth is found!

[piercedandtatto]

I am dying to try this but i cannot find a conductive pen or a rear window defogging kit anywhere locally. Is there any other method that might work? say possible a small drop of solder???

[NeGe0]

Would they sell a conductive pen at Autozone? I'm most definitly sure they will sell the rear window defogging kit there.

[StormPC]

There are conductive paints, but the ink is faster drying. The paint may be better if it is thinner because we are working in a very small area here.


OPP,

Did you see the quote from lilgator of Chris_Uk (another guy who claims success) that said you need to scrape the copper in the middle and connect all three pads. This is inconsistant with what I have read from him directly and the other guys who have supposedly been successful performing this mod.

Any possibility that this is what caused the mod to not work for us or did you only connect the two pads when you had your card at 16 pipes temporarily?

[piercedandtatto]

Originally posted by NeGe0
Would they sell a conductive pen at Autozone? I'm most definitly sure they will sell the rear window defogging kit there.

I went to autozone and advanced auto.... neither had the kit. and radioshack doesnt have the pen. Im thinking maybe a small drop of solder.....If i cant find something this weekend i will try it. Unless someone tells me its a bad idea.

[StormPC]

Originally posted by piercedandtatto
I went to autozone and advanced auto.... neither had the kit. and radioshack doesnt have the pen. Im thinking maybe a small drop of solder.....If i cant find something this weekend i will try it. Unless someone tells me its a bad idea.

You obviously have not seen your GPU without the HSF on it except in these blown up photos. Soldering is out of the question! Ink or paint is the only way.

[zakelwe]

It's probably like the 9500/9800SE where some have all pipes A OK and can be modded and some have defects that cannot be overcome.

I wonder what the percentage pass/fail is ?

Regards

Andy

[StormPC]

Originally posted by zakelwe
It's probably like the 9500/9800SE where some have all pipes A OK and can be modded and some have defects that cannot be overcome.

I wonder what the percentage pass/fail is ?

Regards

Andy

You might be right. One interesting thing to note is the fact that 1 guy from Korea and 2 guys from UK are the only successes so far. I know of 11 people who have attempted the mod in the US and all have failed. Perhaps they sent us the duds!:(

[Boyne7]

wow, that would suck

[StormPC]

Interesting, all the successes were Sapphire, and all the failures I know about are ATI retail box. You don't suppose????

Any Yanks out there with a Sapphire?

[morbidj]

Hmm.... You know he is on to some thing here. I wouldnt doubt that Saphire is "allowing their card to be moddable"

[pkrew]

Or, just that ATI is being more stringent about the cores. Saving the good ones for the XT release. The other vendors may have been using good cores just to get the pro version to market, which is why I asked about card maker and date bought. Some of the early ATI's may also mod.

[blinky]

Originally posted by pkrew
Or, just that ATI is being more stringent about the cores. Saving the good ones for the XT release. The other vendors may have been using good cores just to get the pro version to market, which is why I asked about card maker and date bought. Some of the early ATI's may also mod. it has nothing to do with the cores, it has to do with wether the pipes are there on the PCB, its possible the ATi cards only have 12 pipes, or have 4 physically disabled (as in cut)

[STEvil]

They are on the chip, this doesnt have anything to do with the PCB.

Either this works for all cards or this is BS.

Since Opp had them working at one point, I am inclined to believe this is not BS, just extremely hard to do.

As to soldering.. I soldered a duron 800 for fun ;)

[Kunaak]

Originally posted by andyddr
Kunaak have you tried a pencil?

a pencil to do the 16 pipeline mod??

no never thought of that.
I will try it later tonight.

on a side note, anyone wanting a conductive ink pen, www.aquastealth.com has them for $17, not cheap, but they have them.

[StormPC]

Originally posted by STEvil
They are on the chip, this doesnt have anything to do with the PCB.

Either this works for all cards or this is BS.

Since Opp had them working at one point, I am inclined to believe this is not BS, just extremely hard to do.

As to soldering.. I soldered a duron 800 for fun ;)

These things are not exactly Durons.

OPP never had it working. A couple of times when he booted with no driver loaded ATI tool recognized 16 pipes. Both times upon loading the drivers it went back to 12. Not quite working.

You are correct that it is very difficult, but I believe Fugger and ATi when they say not all of the cores will be able to be modded. Also, do you know what the chances are of having 11 out of 11 faliures of the same make card and 3 out of 3 successes of another at random? Astronomical.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but this just isn't happening. Is it worth losing your warranty (100% certainty there) for the minute possibility of being able to save 100 bucks? I say not.:)

[megahurtz-oc]

Originally posted by StormPC
Is it worth losing your warranty (100% certainty there) for the minute possibility of being able to save 100 bucks? I say not.:)



amen...........

[Çhrist0ph]

Originally posted by morbidj
Hmm.... You know he is on to some thing here. I wouldnt doubt that Saphire is "allowing their card to be moddable"

if that is the case,it is certainly a very smart marketing strategy....

[Mrstickinit]

Originally posted by StormPC
Is it worth losing your warranty (100% certainty there) for the minute possibility of being able to save 100 bucks? I say not.:) [/B]

I don't think many people here at XS care about warranties :D It's not about saving $100 either. For me, it's just the excitement and fun of doing such a "mod" and being able to get my hardware to perform beyod the manufacturers specifications......

I have an ATI x800Pro and will be trying this mod myself early next week. I have gotten my core and memory to 564/594 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2570986)so I don't think frequencies will be an issue. This was on stock cooling too with no vmods. I'll just have to see if I can get the card to act like an XT now.... :D :D :D

[LilGator]

You know, I don't think I've ever used a warranty. Ever. :rolleyes: LOL

[OPPAINTER]

I give up on this mod, no luck:D

I'll just wait for the XT to come out and then get one.

OPP

[Djuice]

Warranty? What is that?

[Mrstickinit]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I give up on this mod, no luck:D

I'll just wait for the XT to come out and then get one.

OPP

Damn OPP, oh well. Seems like everyone with a BBA card is SOL on this 1. Maybe someone will figure out why the BBA are being stubborn, after all, aren't the BBA cards made on the same assembly line as the Sapphire's???

[StormPC]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I give up on this mod, no luck:D

I'll just wait for the XT to come out and then get one.

OPP

So it wouldn't bother LilGator if he couldn't RMA that 9800XT of his if something happened to it, even though it is 95% of the value of his rig....hmmm. Do you believe that OPP? I don't think I do.

Yep I'm done as well. Nothing like a little HS removal practice... :rolleyes: My XT is on it's way. :D

[scrible88]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I give up on this mod, no luck:D

I'll just wait for the XT to come out and then get one.

OPP

Come on you can't give up!

I was just getting my hopes up. :(

[megahurtz-oc]

Originally posted by StormPC
My XT is on it's way. :D



amen..........

[LilGator]

Originally posted by StormPC
So it wouldn't bother LilGator if he couldn't RMA that 9800XT of his if something happened to it, even though it is 95% of the value of his rig....hmmm. Do you believe that OPP? I don't think I do.

Yep I'm done as well. Nothing like a little HS removal practice... :rolleyes: My XT is on it's way. :D

ahem, actually its a 9800 Pro :)

Anyway, if it died, i'd throw it away and get an X800XT :D

Wouldn't eat lunch for the rest of the year, but hey :rolleyes:

[kromosto]

for me lunch + dinner and only one piece of bread at the breakfast lol :D

EDIT: best diet for a computer addict

[sky]

erm guys,

kunaak and opp, what brand cards were these you two used? bba's?

[Mrstickinit]

Originally posted by sky
erm guys,

kunaak and opp, what brand cards were these you two used? bba's?

Yes they were...... the only people to sucessfully do the mod have Sapphire's. That still puzzles me because aren't the BBA's made in the same factory as the Sapphire's????

[STEvil]

Sapphire builds all of ATI's "BBA" cards IIRC...

[pkrew]

That all the cards that modded are Saphire and none of the Ati's that were tried working, could be coincidence or a trend. No way to tell at this point, with such a small number being tried.

[macci]

Soldering is out of the question! Ink or paint is the only way.
Hehe are you sure? ;)

http://myweb.hinet.net/home11/angel99chung/x800pro/mod/cu.jpg
Looks like soldering iron job to me :D

more 12 to 16 pipe stuff here (http://www.coolaler.com/article/article.php/163)

[Kunaak]

mine a ATI retail card from bestbuy.com

as for soldering the points together?
it looks pretty damn hard to me, tiny tiny point.
not impossible, but not something I'd dare say I myself could do.
it's about 50 times smaller then anything I've ever solderd.

[StormPC]

Originally posted by macci
Hehe are you sure? ;)

http://myweb.hinet.net/home11/angel99chung/x800pro/mod/cu.jpg
Looks like soldering iron job to me :D

more 12 to 16 pipe stuff here (http://www.coolaler.com/article/article.php/163)

I never said you couldn't drop a blob of solder on a pad, just said it's a bad idea. Are you saying you (or the person in the picture) have done the mod successfully?

[brwmogazos]

Originally posted by Kunaak
mine a ATI retail card from bestbuy.com

as for soldering the points together?
it looks pretty damn hard to me, tiny tiny point.
not impossible, but not something I'd dare say I myself could do.
it's about 50 times smaller then anything I've ever solderd.

ouch...thats tiny...i wonder how on earth can you solder something so tiny in there...looking at my 12W soldering iron and solder seems impossible yes:D

I used to unlock XPs with silver conductive paint...it was so easy...i guess its no different for the PROS? i can see people mentioning you have to scrape in a straight line the chip in order to see copper underneith? why? wouldnt connecting those two dots with conductive paint do the job?

[Blue078]

I remember reading the UC bunch also saying they had to "FORCE" the beta 4.5 drivers to se it as an XT.

Not sure how to do that.

I was gona try this but my card tops out at 510 on the core....i guess the vcore mod might get me the last 10Mhz ??

[$anch3z]

I have tried this scraping painting etc twice now but am inclined to believe that only 'certain' cards are capable of having the pipes enabled...

On the mod itself i scratched untill i could see a tiny line of bright copper as described by chris_uk...cleaned it with isopropal then painted with the same conductive paint used by chris_uk

Bear in mind that my core will only just do 536mhz watercooled and about 563 mhz mem. This is way below the clocks reached by at least 2 of the people who have been succesful...having thier cores and mem around the 600 mhz mark before even attempting the mod

maybe a few cards slipped through the net and onto the pro cards but it seems the delay in the XT could be considered as not that many gpu's are 16 pipe and clock capable

[EmineM]

In Austria we have tried to mod 2 Powercolor X800 Pro cards, and non worked.. so I geuss only Sapphire makes modable cards

[macci]

Are you saying you (or the person in the picture) have done the mod successfully?
I haven't seen my x800pro in a few weeks now. So no I haven't done the mod. But check the link I posted there :)

[althes]

Well I guess it sjust sapphire for now.

[OPPAINTER]

Well I saw 16 pipes again this morning.
Sofar, the only time I've seen it is when I boot into a OS after useing my 9800XT, and then windows sees the X800PRO and installs a driver for it by itself. It then asks for a reboot, before I do, I check the pipes, and sure enough there are 16, once I get back into windows with the new X800 driver, the pipes are back to 12.

And yes, I have tryed all the Drivers, inclueding forceing the 800XT driver, nothing works right. I know I have the dots connected. Maybe I'll try x4 or somthing but I think my card just has a problem with 16 pipes. Sometimes I can't even get into the OS. I'm thinking this when the 16 pipes are active. The only way to get back into the OS is go into Safe mod and remove the driver.
Sometimes the OS works fine, so who knows:D

And I've never seen the 16 pipes when the driver was installed yet.

OPP

[palote]

gg

[empty]

werent the sapphire 9500s the only ones that could softmod/hardmod iirc?

[megahurtz-oc]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
and then windows sees the X800PRO and installs a driver for it by itself.

OPP

you need to go to the ati folder and delete the driver that is forcing upon reboot and also disconnect your internet so it cant download it for you. and see what happens.

[sandman]

Do you need to do a straight line? or could you curve it out some? seems like it might make it easier to solder/connect.

[Minnyboy]

Sooo...

It seems like the chances of modding your x800pro into an x800xt are next to none...

Still early days imo...What worries me is that Opp & a few other hardcore/Xtreme modders aren't having any luck with this card...

Looks like I'll be waiting at least another month or so til either the Xtremists have had more time with the x800pro or just fork out the extra bucks for the x800xt...

Anyone after a well used 9800pro or 9800xt??:D jk...

[DjTonic]

http://www.coolaler.com/article/article.php/163 :D

[Boogotop]

if i understand....no need to flash the bios to get the 16 pipe...just join the bridge and that it???

[andyddr]

Yeah that`s what I`m thinking too. Looks like the drivers and the bridge connection should be enough.

[Boogotop]

ok...i try it now....i'll keep us informed...my card is Sapphire

[althes]

cool bp

[Boogotop]

no luck here :(

retry the mod 5 time and with 3 different defogger repair paint and nothing :(

[andyddr]

Did you close the laser cut bridge as on the Athlon chips? what about the bios? Did you flash or not?

[Boogotop]

i've made exactly the same that Chris-UK did...

[SuperDude]

i guess its a hit or miss thing

[StormPC]

Originally posted by DjTonic
http://www.coolaler.com/article/article.php/163 :D

For the rig and the VC clocks that guy is running his 3DMark03 scores are pretty weak. Chris_UK's are much better.

[AcEmAsTr]

come on ppl, keep going!!

solder it if u have too

[charlie]

Originally posted by Boogotop
no luck here :(

retry the mod 5 time and with 3 different defogger repair paint and nothing :(


BBATI or Sapphire?

C

[StormPC]

Originally posted by AcEmAsTr
come on ppl, keep going!!

solder it if u have too

Might be worth a try if you have a Sapphire, but it's very very dangerous. Look at the blown up photo Macci posted showing the soldered pads and you'll have some idea just how risky. The tiny resistors are several times as large as the pads you need to connect.:(

[fxr91]

The results linked (http://www.coolaler.com/article/article.php/163) in Macci's post aren't a guarentee that it is working. There are guys over at OCAU getting 12K with a 2.8C@3500 and an X800Pro GeCube card, and are getting relatively equivalent fill rates with just 12 pipes. Card is clocked at 595/560, and fill rates are over 4000 and 7000 respectively, so I am not sold on this "mod" yet. But in saying that, the multi fill rate score of teh "16 pipe" card is 600 higher, so who knows.

BTW, here is the ORB result (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2590583) of above system.

[Hallowed]

OPP, et al:

You must flash the card to the XT BIOS and run the 4.5 betas.

The reason the 16-12 loss is due to the drivers detecting the Pro as a Pro and when it does only runs with 12 pipes. The OS and drivers must detect it as an XT on both the hardware and software level.

I'll be a good chunk of coin OPP's card is modded perfectly.

[Boogotop]

my card is a Sapphire and that do the same thing as OPP....without driver i've seen 16 pipe but the mod doesn't work at all here

my mod

http://sites.rapidus.net/maxbleau/x800pro%20pipe%20mod.JPG

[Boogotop]

Originally posted by Hallowed
OPP, et al:

You must flash the card to the XT BIOS and run the 4.5 betas.

The reason the 16-12 loss is due to the drivers detecting the Pro as a Pro and when it does only runs with 12 pipes. The OS and drivers must detect it as an XT on both the hardware and software level.

I'll be a good chunk of coin OPP's card is modded perfectly.

but some people got 16 pipe with a detected x800 pro

[-realEvolution-]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I lost it for some reason. I'm back to 12:D

OPP


hehe same here :D

I have try it again and again but nothing, on the last job i become 0 Pipes :D

[Boogotop]

Originally posted by -realEvolution-
hehe same here :D

I have try it again and again but nothing, on the last job i become 0 Pipes :D

:confused: :D

[fr33ze]

really like to see if this works out for people, got a feeling that w1zzard might be able to mod the drivers in the same way he did for the 9500np and 9800se so that the hardmod wouldn't be needed at all, that'd be very cool if this can be done 'softmod' style.

[Goldlocke]

If I understand Chris_UK correctly, he also connected the 2 dots to the ground underneath the green layer. By scratching a line deep to the copper layer.
U did that too OPP?

[TyphooN]

My 9800 Has just died, so right now im saving up for an X800 Pro. I almost have enough money, so should be getting one in a week or 2. I have heard no BBA successes, and some Sapphire successes. I saw that on pricewatch they have Visiontek Xtacy for the cheapest X800 Pro. Does anyone have these cards that could try the mod? Because if those turn out to be like sapphires, some successes, then that'd save me a little money, If not I guess I will go for a Sapphire.

[Boogotop]

the trick don't work on all Sapphire

[Boogotop]

im curious about the date on the gpu from those guys who got 16 pipe

[TyphooN]

yeah i know it doenst work on all sapphire, but i guess itd be best luck for me to buy a sapphire.

[Hallowed]

Originally posted by Boogotop
but some people got 16 pipe with a detected x800 pro

Yeah, and the second the drivers initialize it will show 12 again.

You must run the XT BIOS for this to work.

I'm not saying this just to tick people off. ;)

[TyphooN]

are you sure? maybe thats why opp cant get his to work lol, but i thought u can have 16 pipe pro =/

[Hallowed]

Lol... they wont work at all without being flashed to the XT BIOS. The drivers will detect the device ID and run @ 12-pipe as soon as the driver is initialized. The pipes will be active, but the driver thinks "12" as soon as it sees the X800 pro devID.

You have X800 pro
You flash X800 pro, and immediately remove it when done.
You mod X800 pro
You reinstall 16-pipe X800 pro as an X800XT and you get into windows.
If you remembered to install 4.5 betas, it will work great. :D

[TyphooN]

ok, if you say so. i thought that flashing to xt was optional, and it isnt about the device id, even after the flash the device id remains the same. look on OC_UK, and you will see this, I still think it is optional after reading the OC_UK forum, but I will flash because it helps the mem overclock, cant wait to get a sapphire and i hope it works for me lol

[-realEvolution-]

Originally posted by Hallowed
Lol... they wont work at all without being flashed to the XT BIOS. The drivers will detect the device ID and run @ 12-pipe as soon as the driver is initialized. The pipes will be active, but the driver thinks "12" as soon as it sees the X800 pro devID.

You have X800 pro
You flash X800 pro, and immediately remove it when done.
You mod X800 pro
You reinstall 16-pipe X800 pro as an X800XT and you get into windows.
If you remembered to install 4.5 betas, it will work great. :D

i have try it on two Powercolor Cards, and the mod doesnt work.

[TyphooN]

as far as i know the only successes are on sapphire, none on ATi or powercolors.. but nobody has reported trying it on visiontek xtacy.. i wish someone would since its cheaper than sapphire.

[scrible88]

are the sapphires more expensive?

If so they might be charging the premium for "modability" lmfao

[Goldlocke]

no, Sapphires are most of the time the cheapest cards here in EU.

[TyphooN]

at best buy u can get bba for $400 free shipping, visiontek xtacy is $415 on pw with shipping, cheapest sapphire is $425 with shipping, and that is a local shop to me(the cheapest sapphire on pricewatch), so i guess ill just buy it from there.. unless i find out that the xtacy is moddable. i guess it might be a good thing to buy from a local shop, maybe i can try a couple cards and take back those that dont mod lol.

[StormPC]

Originally posted by Hallowed

I'm not saying this just to tick people off. ;)

No, of course not.:rolleyes:

[Chris_UK]

Hallowed, have you tried the mod and experienced all that your saying? When you flash the card the device id doesnt change, its not the same as with other normal flashes ie 9800/9700. Whether you flash to Xt or stay with a Pro bios the deviceid is still 4a49 and the card is recognized as a Pro. The bios wont completely flash some parts seem 'protected'somehow.

I am running the card as a Pro but with the XT bios right now and the 16 pipelines are still showing fine. If this is the case and the mod is successful then there is probably no need for a bios flash at all, the drivers dont make one bit of difference.

I have read from other forums of other successes (although not many!) all with sapphire cards and even if you have a sapphire it doesnt seem 100% as Oppainter found out. I was thinking at first that he may have not joined the 2 points correctly somehow (although with his modding experience it seems unlikely), but now im thinking the 4 pipelines he is trying to re-enable are damaged in some way and when the drivers load the pc crashes. It may be that some Sapphire cards have totally broken pipelines which wont enable whatever you do, some have part damaged pipelines like Oppainters and a even less have the pipelines that are not damaged at and are all just disabled. Im no technical guru so I cannot say if this is definately the case. I have read that only 'clone?' cards are capable of the mod but this is hearsay though the grapevine which doesnt count for much......

I have read so many threads (not on here mind, apart from Hallowed:)) with people dishing out advice who havent even tried the mod themselves!! A lot of people seem to be finding it hard to believe its even true, hopefully the results Oppainter had prove it a little bit.

If any of you are really interested in the details on the top of the core I can get them when I get home from work tonight and post them on here, it might help to identify which cards may work although I myself cant tell the difference between one and another :)

[andyddr]

Chris_UK I`d like to know any numbers you can dish out like core date stamp or anything else on the PCB. Also how important do you think it is that you went all the way down to the copper on the PCB between the points? I`ve heard of a laser cut bridge between the points. Is there if fact one?

[BioBlade]

tomorrrow my x800 from powercolor is coming to my hands :p:

on of the first in holland ,,

i want to try the mod , do you guys think ik could work >?:D

[Chris_UK]

Originally posted by andyddr
Chris_UK I`d like to know any numbers you can dish out like core date stamp or anything else on the PCB. Also how important do you think it is that you went all the way down to the copper on the PCB between the points? I`ve heard of a laser cut bridge between the points. Is there if fact one?

There is a laser cut between the 2 points, at least there was on my card. It is important I went down to the copper, because until I did that it didnt work :)

I have just borrowed the digicam from work, I will whip the card out tonight and take some definitive pictures of the working mod on my card, also get some pics of the core and whats printed on it. Bioblade, I wouldnt bother to try to be honest because it doesnt seem to work on any other models of card, unless you have a brainwave and try something new.....

[Boogotop]

hey Chris_UK....my mod look good for ya???

http://sites.rapidus.net/maxbleau/x800pro%20pipe%20mod.JPG

[Goldlocke]

Originally posted by Chris_UK
I have just borrowed the digicam from work, I will whip the card out tonight and take some definitive pictures of the working mod on my card, also get some pics of the core and whats printed on it. brilliant idea. thx!
When we look back to AthlonXP unlocking getting down to the copper layer meant shortening to the ground.
(If we assume that the copper layer on a FCPGA package like AthlonXP and X800 VPU corresponds to GND.) But why would that do the trick here? When u shorted an AXP mod to GND it was a no go.
Why does it help on the X800 VPU?

[Chris_UK]

as promised, heres the pics of the mod working on my card :

http://www.andovernaturalproducts.co.uk/PICT0007.JPG

as you can see in my excitement I didnt even bother to clean it properly, theres a few bits of stray conductive paint lying about :)

[Chris_UK]

details on core :

http://www.andovernaturalproducts.co.uk/PICT0004.JPG

:)

[EmineM]

did you scratch a bit and then put conductive paint over it?

[Goldlocke]

thank you Chris. plz comment on my thoughts about grounding above.

edit: lol, hi eminem.

[andyddr]

Okay I have`nt got a clue what those numbers mean but if anyone else with a non modding X800PRO can tell us if there is a difference? Not that it makes any difference but what are those two dots on the T of ATI?

[Goldlocke]

I think there is only one way to confirm that we need to get down to the copper layer between the dots:

Chris remove the paint with acetone and draw a "U" line around the laser cut. Without touching it. If it works in that case, well, we dont need to scratch so deep.
Ofcourse I know that is a big request. It could be that the mod will never work again. So, just risk it in a moment of bravery! ;) ;) ;)

@ Sapphire: Make your cards finally available here in AT!!!! damn it. :mad:

[StormPC]

Originally posted by BioBlade
tomorrrow my x800 from powercolor is coming to my hands :p:

on of the first in holland ,,

i want to try the mod , do you guys think ik could work >?:D

It could but the chances are far better that it won't.

Just make sure you know that your warranty is void if you try it which means you will not be RMA'ing it if the card dies, even it your mod didn't cause the problem.

The cards are incredibly fast anyway. Look at my scores on air with a regular X800Pro. If that's not fast enough for you then the XT probably won't be either.;)

[StormPC]

Originally posted by Goldlocke
brilliant idea. thx!
When we look back to AthlonXP unlocking getting down to the copper layer meant shortening to the ground.
(If we assume that the copper layer on a FCPGA package like AthlonXP and X800 VPU corresponds to GND.) But why would that do the trick here? When u shorted an AXP mod to GND it was a no go.
Why does it help on the X800 VPU?

The copper in the laser hole is not ground, it is part of the trace that used to connect the two pads. Connecting to it just gives you a better connection between the pads.:toast:

[Joe_the_tulip]

after reading all those posts I'm kind of confused now:

what do I have to do, for getting a x800pro working?

scratch the two points down till I see copper and connect them via silver conductive paint by just painting a line between them.

is that enough?

[andyddr]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk (http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17230558)

This is a good guide for the complete process. Chris has okay`d it so it must be good :smileysex

[Joe_the_tulip]

I already knew that guide, but thanks for link.

ok, so that's what your discussion was all about. I just didn't get the thing about the painting a "U" around the lasercut?

[andyddr]

He`s saying paint a u around the lasercut to see if it is indead the copper that makes it work.

[Goldlocke]

Joe: Welcome to the XTREME! ;)

[BioBlade]

the thing that i will do with my powercolorx800 is the next :

filling de laserlock with glue , scratch the 2 points , putting silver glue from point to point ent test it :P

[StormPC]

Originally posted by BioBlade
the thing that i will do with my powercolorx800 is the next :

filling de laserlock with glue , scratch the 2 points , putting silver glue from point to point ent test it :P

More balls than brains, eh? Well I understand. I did it too, but I wish I wouldn't have. It's the sickness! We have to do it!:(

Good luck to you!:D Let us know how it works out?:toast:

[BioBlade]

Originally posted by StormPC
More balls than brains, eh? Well I understand. I did it too, but I wish I wouldn't have. It's the sickness! We have to do it!:(

Good luck to you!:D Let us know how it works out?:toast:

do you did it the same way ? and is your card :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:ed up now ?:stick:

[andyddr]

Can`t see why it would be. It the same as the AXP mod we all did back in the day. Once you scrape the points your card`s warantee is stuffed so who cares if you put a bit of superblue on that lasercut? Not going to hurt.

[StormPC]

No, my card is fine. There is some risk that you could :banana: up your card but it is minimal if you are careful.

If I ever need to RMA the card for any reason I will be :banana: 'ed.:D

[BioBlade]

yup but by the amd xp mod you did not have to scratch the points...

[Stinger]

bioblade have you done yours yet? I have a powercolor x800 in 1 or 2 days so I'm curious if your card worked out

[EmineM]

Hi Goldlocke :)

I wonder if the mod also works without flashing to the XT biops.
Biobade good luck with your card, people here have tried with the PWC cards but it didnt work.

[Chris_UK]

after reading a post on r3d it seems someone has got the mod working on a HISX800Pro also, but it still seems like a low percentage working right now :(

[Stinger]

I think its very strange that so few cards works with the mod. Powercolor says "up to 16 pipelines" on their site. There must be some way to enable them I dont think that so many cards have broken pipes

[BioBlade]

http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/images/projects/Red%20Darkness/vga/ati%20x800/

pics of the card, tomorrow i am going to mod it

[andyddr]

That`s a nice looking bundle. Pitty u about to beat the poo poo out of it :up:

[BioBlade]

got an extra pic

http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/images/projects/Red%20Darkness/vga/ati%20x800/ati%20x800%207.JPG

my next question is , should i fill up the laserlock ? or isn't that nessesary ?

[***Deimos***]

Something tells me this was never meant to be:
Back in the 9500np day, people tried it, it worked, but image was messed up... but that at least proved that the extra pipelines existed in the core (although they were defective).

Don't hold your breath expecting it to work (ever)... although it would be nice if it did. I guess ATI learned they have too much to lose if they ship modifiable cards.

[BioBlade]

so all you guys say, its better to do it not.... ?

[StormPC]

Originally posted by BioBlade
so all you guys say, its better to do it not.... ?

You have to pay if you want to play. I tried it so I certainly understand why you want to do it, bit the potential gain doesn't outweigh the risk.

I know people who have gone out and bought close to $100 worth of tools to do the mod. If you are going to do that you may as well buy an XT. Then if something dies you can RMA it and get a free card. You mod the pro and you won't be RMA'ing it.

[andyddr]

The only difference between your core and Chris`s is yours says 0414AA while his is 0416AA. Maybe this core (6AA) is the one that can mod? BioBlade it`s upto you dude. I for one would like to see if you can do it. But then loosing your warantee sucks...

[BioBlade]

yep , but the only thing i would like to know , is that you have to fill up the hole or not ?

[andyddr]

Well why not try it like with the Athlons first i.e close the hole with superglue and paint over it. If that does`nt work then scrape it off and do it the way Chris did by going all the way into the copper.

[jan]

Next week I'll get my Sapphire X800Pro

I think I'll try the mod. :) I'll report if it works.

[BioBlade]

i did the pencil tric but that wont work.... still have 12 pipes

[andyddr]

Pencil trick does`nt work from what I`ve read in other forums. Will have to paint it with conductive silver paint/ink.

[BioBlade]

ok going to try that tomorrow

[STEvil]

dab a spot of superglue (or epoxy - apply with pin or toothpick) on the laserlock, press a needle or razor blade against the exposed copper points, then put a good dot of conductive paint on top.

Should insure proper connection and keep the conductive material out of the laserlock and be easier than what we have been trying.

[StormPC]

Originally posted by STEvil
dab a spot of superglue (or epoxy - apply with pin or toothpick) on the laserlock, press a needle or razor blade against the exposed copper points, then put a good dot of conductive paint on top.

Should insure proper connection and keep the conductive material out of the laserlock and be easier than what we have been trying.

Actually I know OPP and I both did that...it didn't help. Did yours work that way? I don't recall reading that anywhere in the posts I have seen.

If your card is good it will work. If not you're :banana: 'ed like the rest of us.:D

[STEvil]

If I had one i'd try ;)

I was just going by what I used for locked palomino and XP processors that was easier than trying to paint them and such.

[StormPC]

Originally posted by STEvil
If I had one i'd try ;)

I was just going by what I used for locked palomino and XP processors that was easier than trying to paint them and such.

Us too but it's not the same thing as it turns out.

[BioBlade]

i have made de mod , but i still need tot test here are the pictures

http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/images/projects/Red%20Darkness/vga/mods/mod%20stuff.JPG (http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/images/projects/Red%20Darkness/vga/mods/mod%20stuff.JPG)

http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/images/projects/Red%20Darkness/vga/mods/afplakken.JPG (http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/images/projects/Red%20Darkness/vga/mods/afplakken.JPG)

http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/images/projects/Red%20Darkness/vga/mods/pin%20gekrast.JPG (http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/images/projects/Red%20Darkness/vga/mods/pin%20gekrast.JPG)

http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/images/projects/Red%20Darkness/vga/mods/pins%20coverd.JPG (http://www.voidyourwarranty.nl/images/projects/Red%20Darkness/vga/mods/pins%20coverd.JPG)

[fr33ze]

like the name if your site BioBlade, nice and appropriate

[BioBlade]

i have tested it , still 12 pipes , nu i have scratched the hole line between the 2 points and done the mod again , i am going to test it know ,

could i see the 16 pipes enabled @ x800pro or should i flash it to x800xt bios ?

[StormPC]

Originally posted by BioBlade
i have tested it , still 12 pipes , nu i have scratched the hole line between the 2 points and done the mod again , i am going to test it know ,

could i see the 16 pipes enabled @ x800pro or should i flash it to x800xt bios ?

Pipes should show immediately, but card will not function as an XT 100% until you flash the BIOS and reload the driver.

[h0ok3r]

i sure hope this will work, its a pitty that it doesnt work the most off the time... Maybe the pipes will only work if they all work(sounds vage i know), and if one doesnt work correctly maybe ati made it in a way that nuthin will go trough any of them. I think this because of the fact that that with the 9500 mod it did work every time, but sometimes the pipes were damaged, this hasn't occured yet right?? strange...

Maybe ati's production process hasnt matured enough, and only very little cards have these 16 working pipes.

[Minnyboy]

Anyone tried to mod a PowerColor x800pro yet??

I hope it's the same as I am a proud owner of a new x800pro...

So can we get a list of the brands that are able to mod??

Oh well, 11,044 ain't bad for a 3.13Ghz P4/XMS3500/Max3 combo...

Cheers,
Minnyboy

[BioBlade]

mm i got the same problem like opptainer , still dropping back to 12 pipes , at least with the xt bios i got a slicht performance boost ,

i could overclock it to 565core en 590 on the mem with stock cooling :stick:

[blueremy]

http://www.titiworld.com/Blueremy/X800.htm

Link is my guide korean language.

[charlie]

absolutely awesome pictorial guide.... just to bad I don't read Korean :(

C

[blueremy]

I can't translate Korean into English.
I am finding person this job

[BioBlade]

Originally posted by Stinger
bioblade have you done yours yet? I have a powercolor x800 in 1 or 2 days so I'm curious if your card worked out

i am sorry , i failed , got the same probs as optainer , but with the xt bios in it i got a oc inprovement :D

with stock cooling i am doing 565core en 590 on the mem now :cool:

so at least i am still happy :toast:

[Kunaak]

beautiful guide but I can't read a thing and babelfish won't translate the page due to errors....

[SynGroW]

someone from the Netherlands succesfully did the mod on an Asus X800PRO

He doesn't have any pics of it, but posted a screenshot from ATI tool @ gathering.tweakers.net

http://www.heyz.nl/pics/ati.jpg

His 3DMark03 score increased from 8800 points to 11300 points

His card has a fillrate of 7254 so it must be a full XT

[Joe_the_tulip]

ah ok, now I got it.

seems like every card except powercolors x800pro can be modded!

[h0ok3r]

Offtopic:
Originally posted by BioBlade
mm i got the same problem like opptainer
got the same probs as optainer
uuhm innit oppainter, not optainer lol:D

[Iridium192_217]

so does it work or does it not? I've been hearing all sorts of things

[r3b0rN]

Originally posted by h0ok3r
Offtopic:


uuhm innit oppainter, not optainer lol:D yeah i was kinda thinking, xtremes finest... and there spelling his name wrong.

[TyphooN]

Originally posted by h0ok3r

ah ok, now I got it.

seems like every card except powercolors x800pro can be modded!


someone on OC_UK modded a powercolor x800pro.. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/ check for yourself.. so i think all the cards have been modded at least once.

[Pha_Q]

oh this is mind warping.

Seems that you either get a card that can be modded, or you don't. Driving me nuts, cause I would order a pro if i knew i could mod it to xt, but i would rather just buy an xt if my pro wount mod over, arg.

[fr33ze]

think alot of you will find the following article very helpful....

http://www.pcunleash.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=MyItemReview&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=26

explains which cards can and cant be modded

[impu|se]

Originally posted by fr33ze
think alot of you will find the following article very helpful....

http://www.pcunleash.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=MyItemReview&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=26

explains which cards can and cant be modded

From your site:
"This is my code (HIS Excalibur X800Pro)
Line 1: 215RAACGA11F
Line 2: GA8993.5
Line 3: 0416AA
And mod works! so its not about GPU codes."

Can you answer me one question? Must you flash the bios to xt to unlock the 4 extra pipes. Ive heard that you had to, Ive heard that you dont have to. I have a powercolor with code 215RAACGA11F
GA8992.1
I tried the mod a few times with no success, however Ihavent flashed the bios to xt.

[StormPC]

No, a BIOS flash is not necessary to enable the pipes, but it is necessary to get it to run properly with the driver. The pipes should show up without the BIOS being flashed.

r3b0rN;

I think what they mean't is that the flash gave them higher "DEFAULT" clocks, not that the card is able to be clocked higher. Most of the people who claimed this know next to nothing about overclocking. They could have overclocked their cards to the stock XT clocks without the BIOS flash.

[blueremy]

http://www.pcunleash.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=MyItemReview&no=26

The following link has been translated from a friend of mine.

[fr33ze]

Originally posted by blueremy
http://www.pcunleash.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=MyItemReview&no=26

The following link has been translated from a friend of mine.

lol, i'm pretty sure thats the link i posted on the previous page

[blueremy]

I'm sorry, i did't know that link posted already.

[Kunaak]

Thank you :D

[Stinger]

have any1 tried the softmod? http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33763022

[Mrstickinit]

I tried the soft mod and it doesn't work. In fact, the drivers disabled fast writes in the SMARTGART section of the control panel and didn't allow me to change it back.

Soft Mod does NOT work.

[blueremy]

Originally posted by SynGroW
someone from the Netherlands succesfully did the mod on an Asus X800PRO

He doesn't have any pics of it, but posted a screenshot from ATI tool @ gathering.tweakers.net

http://www.heyz.nl/pics/ati.jpg

His 3DMark03 score increased from 8800 points to 11300 points

His card has a fillrate of 7254 so it must be a full XT


http://www.titiworld.com/Blueremy/fill.JPG

[Stinger]

softmod seems to work http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33763022&perpage=30&pagenumber=2

[Boogotop]

the softmod really work...i've talk to alot of frenchie who make it work ;)

but it still the same problem as a hardmod....if your card have broken pipe it will stay at 12 :(

[StormPC]

I just did the hardest mod of all...hehe:banana3:

1st run with ghetto card clocks and 2T...

With approved drivers even...wow!

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2627100

[TyphooN]

stormpc is your x800xt modded, or a real one? because i thought you had trouble modding your card.. did you get softmod or hardmod to work? if so which?

[blueremy]

http://www.titiworld.com/Blueremy/2001se.JPG

2001se run X800XT bios default clock 525/573

[macci]

StormPC, overclocked X800XT and only 70fps nature??
My X800Pro (ES) at default clock (472/499) gets 73.6FPS already. XT default @ 87FPS.

[StormPC]

Originally posted by TyphooN
stormpc is your x800xt modded, or a real one? because i thought you had trouble modding your card.. did you get softmod or hardmod to work? if so which?

Sorry, mine is the real deal.

[TyphooN]

ok, well i am going to buy a real x800 xt because mod successes aren't very good. just waiting to get the money for it, just ordered my watercooling ;D

[StormPC]

Originally posted by macci
StormPC, overclocked X800XT and only 70fps nature??
My X800Pro (ES) at default clock (472/499) gets 73.6FPS already. XT default @ 87FPS.

um, yeah. On a P4EE running at what? Your systems are fast and your efforts are always impressive, but most of your hardware is ES (at least the important parts like CPU and Video), so your system does not represent the norm. If you were to use a retail VC and CPU it would be more impressive and more meaningful to the rest of us. Your scores don't really apply to the rest of us because we can't get ES stuff.

Come on Macci, are you testing my knowledge of 2k3 or what?

Ok, how's this?

We both know P4s naturally run 2k3 (especially Nature and GT1) better than A64s which is the reason you used one on 2k3. We also both know A64s are more powerful CPUs which is why you used A64 on 2K1.

My particular chip is running stock at 2T which means I'm running with about 2730MBs bandwidth. You know Nature LOVES bandwidth I'm sure. Also, no tweaks and all software, hardware, services, anti-virus and anti-parasite programs running in the background. All of this must be considered as well.

I'm sure you already know this stuff so I'm wondering about the motivation behind the question. Are you testing me???:bounce:


Cheers!:toast:

[Soulburner]

StormPC 3DMark03 Mother Nature isn't really affected by CPU at all.

I don't really understand your post. He was pointing out your score is much lower than it should be, not even matching his score at default clocks.

[StormPC]

Originally posted by Soulburner
StormPC 3DMark03 Mother Nature isn't really affected by CPU at all.

I don't really understand your post. He was pointing out your score is much lower than it should be, not even matching his score at default clocks.

So you believe Macci used a P4EE (instead of an A64) to get a lower score? He could have chosen any CPU he wanted and he chose the P4EE. No, he did it to get the highest score possible. You cant compare a stock retail rig to Macci's rig. The numbers mean nothing. He uses ES and tweaked everything (and a P4EE) and I'm showing stock numbers with no tweaks and a bad core that defaults to 2T. All I'm saying is he acted suprised. I just explained why he shouldn't be.

See, every 2k3 GT favors the high MHz/bandwidth and lower overall power of the P4, while 2k1 favors a more powerful CPU. There is a common misconception that CPU doesn't matter in 2k3. This is false. Even though CPU is less of a factor, it is still very important, and is the reason for the super high clocks on the ORB's top spots.

Of course he was pointing it out. My point is, why? Anybody that thinks a stock 3700+ with 2700MBs bandwidth would be able to compete with a P4EE in 2k3 is sadly mistaken. It goes without saying. ;)

[Boogotop]

just got another one X800Pro...it's a MSI RX800 PRO-TD256....i will try the 16 pipe mod one this one...hope i will get more change then i got with my Sapphire

http://sites.rapidus.net/maxbleau/MSI%20RX800/box%20MSI%20RX800.JPG

http://sites.rapidus.net/maxbleau/MSI%20RX800/carte%20MSI%20RX800.JPG

http://sites.rapidus.net/maxbleau/MSI%20RX800/core%20MSI%20RX800.JPG

http://sites.rapidus.net/maxbleau/MSI%20RX800/pipe%20MSI%20RX800.JPG

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by StormPC
So you believe Macci used a P4EE (instead of an A64) to get a lower score? He could have chosen any CPU he wanted and he chose the P4EE. No, he did it to get the highest score possible. You cant compare a stock retail rig to Macci's rig. The numbers mean nothing. He uses ES and tweaked everything (and a P4EE) and I'm showing stock numbers with no tweaks and a bad core that defaults to 2T. All I'm saying is he acted suprised. I just explained why he shouldn't be.

See, every 2k3 GT favors the high MHz/bandwidth and lower overall power of the P4, while 2k1 favors a more powerful CPU. There is a common misconception that CPU doesn't matter in 2k3. This is false. Even though CPU is less of a factor, it is still very important, and is the reason for the super high clocks on the ORB's top spots.

Of course he was pointing it out. My point is, why? Anybody that thinks a stock 3700+ with 2700MBs bandwidth would be able to compete with a P4EE in 2k3 is sadly mistaken. It goes without saying. ;)
There is no misconception here. The place where the CPU is going to shine is in GT1, not GT4 (Mother Nature). That is ALL GPU and shader power there.

[StormPC]

Originally posted by Soulburner
There is no misconception here. The place where the CPU is going to shine is in GT1, not GT4 (Mother Nature). That is ALL GPU and shader power there.

Then perhaps you'd like to tell me why YOU think Macci uses a P4EE for 2k3 instead of an A64 (as in 2k1)???

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by StormPC
Then perhaps you'd like to tell me why YOU think Macci uses a P4EE for 2k3 instead of an A64 (as in 2k1)???
Maybe because the EE outscores the A64 in that benchmark. I thought you already knew this :rolleyes:

[StormPC]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Maybe because the EE outscores the A64 in that benchmark. I thought you already knew this :rolleyes:

How could it do that if CPU doesn't matter?