6800U overclocking

[sierra_bound]

Some 6800U benches are starting to come out of Asia.

http://www.coolaler.com/article/article.php/153
http://coolaler.nil.com.tw/images/6800up/15377_2.gif
http://coolaler.nil.com.tw/images/6800up/aqua.gif

[FUGGER]

Thanks link Sierra

[***Deimos***]

AM3 82K overclocked....
almost 16K in 3DM03....
don't think we'll get to
20K anytime soon...
but hey prove me wrong!

[SuperDude]

those on stock cooling? or something else?

[ant1]

I think it´s stock cooling since they´re only 40mhz above stock settings.

[sierra_bound]

I doubt it is stock cooling. But the web page does not say. This is what the folks at VR-Zone got with air cooling. 465/1180. I believe Shamino now has this card. :)

http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Inno3D/6800U/3DMark03-465-1180.PNG

[ant1]

Oh you are right. I thought it was 500@ stock but it´s 400@ stock. :o

[Soulburner]

Whats with the 3DMark03 window...it has 2 different scores?

[Crankster]

Lousy ram....

[[KM]Sven]

Very nice Card!!!
But whats with the 03 score?
a fake?

[sierra_bound]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Whats with the 3DMark03 window...it has 2 different scores?
I think he ran benches back-to-back and forgot to remove one of the windows when he posted his higher score. If you click on the link above, you'll see he also had a lower score of 14,850. Unfortunately, I can't access the scores at the moment because the site's bandwidth limit has been exceeded. But I think this is a legitimate site and I believe the scores are also legit.

[Bennah]

Which is better then? A 6800 U or X800 XT?

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Bennah
Which is better then? A 6800 U or X800 XT?
Look at the score and the clocks...I don't think an X800XT at 540/625 would match that...

[Kanavit]

omg , those are some amazing scores man. especially at only 540mhz core clock!!

[Bennah]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Look at the score and the clocks...I don't think an X800XT at 540/625 would match that...

What are the stock speeds of the X800 XT?

[Soulburner]

Something around 475/550?

[sierra_bound]

I believe the stock speeds for the X800XT are 520/560

[LilGator]

Yes, sierra is correct ... this 6800 is a 35% overclock ...

a X800XT = 520 stock, 35% overclock = 702MHz

And yes, a X800XT @ 702MHz can and will produce that score, probably a lot higher...

[SuperDude]

the x800xt is gonna be better for the casual user and the xtreme overclocker. The 6800u cannot be run on stock cooling at 450mhz w/o it overheating. This means your gonna need aftermarket cooling, which means by by warrenty. The x800xt will outsell the 6800

[LilGator]

You'll need this to hit 700+ however on an X800XT :)

http://www.soneraplaza.fi/GetImages/GetImages_GetImage_jpg/0,2600,49565,00.jpg

[Bennah]

Yea, they seem pretty good. Im stuck between the X800 XT and 6800 U, ive seen various results that favour each card :(

[LilGator]

Don't worry, you have plenty of time to decide :D

Neither are available...

[Bennah]

They are to me :D Can get hold of a X800 XT and 6800 U next week, so I need to know which one to buy ;)

[blinky]

Originally posted by LilGator
You'll need this to hit 700+ however on an X800XT :)

http://www.soneraplaza.fi/GetImages/GetImages_GetImage_jpg/0,2600,49565,00.jpg that looks sexy

[IvanAndreevich]

blinky
Good point. But you might get sexier scores with a NV40. We have to wait just a while for Shamino to crank up his card and cascade it..

[stockhatch]

Theres a fellow on ocforums.com who has his paws on a 6800GT. I think its stock cooling, and hes scoring in the 13000 range.

BTW...kickass forums :D

AC

heres the thread:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=298357

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by LilGator
Yes, sierra is correct ... this 6800 is a 35% overclock ...

a X800XT = 520 stock, 35% overclock = 702MHz

And yes, a X800XT @ 702MHz can and will produce that score, probably a lot higher...

i don't agree, i don't think the x800 can match the NV40 clock for clock. Just take a look at the scores with NV40 @ only 540. if NV40 goes to 600mhz, i think it can take down the R420 quite easily.

from 400 stock, the NV40 gets 140mhz increase to (540) on japanese o/cer, the x800xt gets 260mhz increase from 520 stock(780) on Macci's rig. how did u get the 35% figure? i see that the x800 needed 50% overclock to match the NV40. well at least on Macci's rig.

[LilGator]

Look at what I said:

NV40 Stock = 400MHz
Overclocked = 540Mhz
Difference = 35%

R420 Stock = 520MHz
Overclocked = 702MHz
Difference = 35%

I'm saying a X800XT @ 702MHz, vs a 6800U @ 540MHz is an equal (35%) overclock. And at 702MHz the Radeon is faster.

Macci's overclock was a 50% overclock ... and a 6800U at 600MHz may or may not pull 16.7K but we haven't see one that high yet have we :) Actually I think the 6800U in Macci's hands might pull 16-17K, but who knows...

Now quit eggin this on, i'm startin to sound like GeForceTi4200... :p:

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by LilGator
Yes, sierra is correct ... this 6800 is a 35% overclock ...

a X800XT = 520 stock, 35% overclock = 702MHz

And yes, a X800XT @ 702MHz can and will produce that score, probably a lot higher...
No one ever said that an X800XT at 700mhz couldn't produce that score...the moral of the story here is that the 6800U can do it at MUCH lower clocks.

[pkrew]

I'm sure this has been said before. Its totally irrelivant to compare these two cards on a clock for clock basis. It would be like trying to compare Intel vs Amd that way. The only thing that matters is what oc you can expect with different cooling +- mods and what they score at those settings.

[the imposter]

Wow graphic cards these days crazy. lol nice:)

[LilGator]

Originally posted by Soulburner
No one ever said that an X800XT at 700mhz couldn't produce that score...the moral of the story here is that the 6800U can do it at MUCH lower clocks.

And an A64 can do it at much lower clocks too ....

.... yeah, so ?

What's the story here ? You reading a different book than I am ? I'm completely lost now... :confused:

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by LilGator
And an A64 can do it at much lower clocks too ....

.... yeah, so ?

What's the story here ? You reading a different book than I am ? I'm completely lost now... :confused:
This is getting no where. Its really hard talking to fanboys.

I am not trying to downplay ATI, or make Nvidia sound like the king of all that is graphically holy, I was simply replying to the discussion about the clocks.

We need to see how high they will go. If there is more headroom we could be seeing some really nice scores. If not, then ATI keeps the lead...

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by pkrew
I'm sure this has been said before. Its totally irrelivant to compare these two cards on a clock for clock basis. It would be like trying to compare Intel vs Amd that way. The only thing that matters is what oc you can expect with different cooling +- mods and what they score at those settings. if we live in a perfect world , i would agree. but since , so many people always raise the AMD higher IPC issue whenever comparing with Intel. I thought i might as well do the same here. NV40 is faster clock for clock.

[Arkangyl]

Also it seemed like the 6800 won out in 3DMark benchies but in most/all games the X800XT won out...

[LilGator]

Originally posted by Soulburner
This is getting no where. Its really hard talking to fanboys.

I am not trying to downplay ATI, or make Nvidia sound like the king of all that is graphically holy, I was simply replying to the discussion about the clocks.

We need to see how high they will go. If there is more headroom we could be seeing some really nice scores. If not, then ATI keeps the lead...

Why would you assume there is more headroom just because it has lower stock clocks ? You think nVidia wanted to have 400MHz stock clocks when they knew ATi was rolling out 520MHz ? They are completely different cores, just like an A64 FX and P4EE are different cores ... percentage wise they both have the same headroom ... just because the AMD has lower stock clocks doesn't mean it has headroom to scale up to 4GHz with Intel.

That being said, we have seen very few actual products ... who knows the card Macci has might be a magic lucky core, and the 6800U might have been the dirtiest clocker of the whole batch. We have to wait to find out :)

Truce ?

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Arkangyl
Also it seemed like the 6800 won out in 3DMark benchies but in most/all games the X800XT won out...
Because our 3DMark benches aren't run with maxed out AF...
Originally posted by LilGator
Why would you assume there is more headroom just because it has lower stock clocks ?
Where did I assume they had more headroom? Maybe you mis-read my post...

[kromosto]

i dont want to go in this argue just wanted to say which gives more performance at stock speeds is the winner most of the world dont oc or say only %5 oc

[STEvil]

Originally posted by LilGator
You'll need this to hit 700+ however on an X800XT :)

http://www.soneraplaza.fi/GetImages/GetImages_GetImage_jpg/0,2600,49565,00.jpg

That was nearly good enough for 800mhz, actually.

Oppainter is over 700 with phasechange.

[Mini]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Because our 3DMark benches aren't run with maxed out AF...


Hmm... Yes...Thats the whole point... I think that tests should be run in 1600x1200 w max AF and AA.... Otherwise you arent really testing the GPU limits... 1024x768... Thats GF4 style... I wouldnt ever play in that resolution again... Its freakin ugly... Hehe... So people should run at least 1280x1024...

But the 6800U got more in 3dmark03 than X800XT... Both on beta drivers... That doesnt even count... And as it was said before you cant compare clock to clock... Thats just lame... Mega noobie...

Then AMD would have no market period... Anyways X800XT has a better IQ ;o)

[DeathMonk]

Originally posted by LilGator
Why would you assume there is more headroom just because it has lower stock clocks ? You think nVidia wanted to have 400MHz stock clocks when they knew ATi was rolling out 520MHz ? They are completely different cores, just like an A64 FX and P4EE are different cores ... percentage wise they both have the same headroom ... just because the AMD has lower stock clocks doesn't mean it has headroom to scale up to 4GHz with Intel.

That being said, we have seen very few actual products ... who knows the card Macci has might be a magic lucky core, and the 6800U might have been the dirtiest clocker of the whole batch. We have to wait to find out :)

Truce ?

pwn.

I will also add--If Nvidia could have released a card that trounced ATI from the get-go they would have.

[texuspete00]

Originally posted by pkrew
I'm sure this has been said before. Its totally irrelivant to compare these two cards on a clock for clock basis. It would be like trying to compare Intel vs Amd that way. The only thing that matters is what oc you can expect with different cooling +- mods and what they score at those settings.

Originally posted by LilGator
Why would you assume there is more headroom just because it has lower stock clocks ? You think nVidia wanted to have 400MHz stock clocks when they knew ATi was rolling out 520MHz ?

Yep soulburner has harped on the clocks in many a Radeon vrs. GF thread. I went on and on explaining how silly it was last time but might as well do one of these instead. :brick:

[Bennah]

So have we got anywhere, lol?

I see that the 6800U may win in 3d mark 03 but the X800XT seems to do better in some games. This is a damn hard choice which one should I go for, I am all confussed, lol!

[STEvil]

I'd go for the gaming card.

[Bennah]

That would be a X800XT me thinks :D

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by texuspete2k2
Yep soulburner has harped on the clocks in many a Radeon vrs. GF thread. I went on and on explaining how silly it was last time but might as well do one of these instead. :brick:
What "harping" have I done? I really think you guys have a vendetta against me or something, this is really rediculous.

There was nothing wrong with any of posts in this "discussion".

[DeathMonk]

Originally posted by Soulburner
What "harping" have I done? I really think you guys have a vendetta against me or something, this is really rediculous.

There was nothing wrong with any of posts in this "discussion".

Nothing wrong--you're entitled to your own opinion. we are just disagreeing with you.

[yuri]

Originally posted by Soulburner
No one ever said that an X800XT at 700mhz couldn't produce that score...the moral of the story here is that the 6800U can do it at MUCH lower clocks.

And how does that make a difference lol ?

imo the 6800u / intel will top the 03 bench
and the x800xt / amd will top the 01 bench

time will tell but the 2 cards are completely different and the clock speed difference between the 2 doesn't matter. now if they scale the same then useing a overclock % to performance % increase can be used.

[Bennah]

Yea time will tell! I think im going for a X800 XT, might not be the best card but it should be above average :D

[texuspete00]

Nothing against you Soul. Its just this one thing we've disagreed on a few times. I agree with you that Nvidia's card looks stronger clock for clock. Just too much empahsis on it like in this Q&A.....

Originally posted by Bennah
Which is better then? A 6800 U or X800 XT?
Originally posted by Soulburner
Look at the score and the clocks...I don't think an X800XT at 540/625 would match that...

Hmm... the core, where most marks come from, is hardly even overclocked when talking of the XT in this scenario. Seems to me this was listed as a reason for it being better, not a statment of a more efficient core. I think others read it this way too. I dont believe the poster with the % OC was using GeForces patented ratio and multiply system but instead trying to be more fair to the Radeon card.

I do wonder how everyone has seemed to peg all .13 GPU's at max 600MHz on conventional cooling. That would seem to lend more headroom to NV but there are many other influences. I dont want to embarass myself playing armchair engineer. But the flipside is Ati has got there low-k and lower power consumption which would make one think Ati could scale MHz better. Since we're not engineers I just look at it like once again the higher IPC chips just dont scale on the MHz as much, which luckily they dont have too. Amd v/ Intel... end of the day fps is king.

If we weren't passionate about this stuff, we'd still be using our stock HSF's.

:toast:

[Soulburner]

Well like I stated its all going to depend on how high they will go. 222m transistors must create some heat so i'm not surprised their clocks are limited. The question is, how high will it go for the people here at Xtreme...

If they just don't clock well they X800XT may well keep its position.

[yuri]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Well like I stated its all going to depend on how high they will go. 222m transistors must create some heat so i'm not surprised their clocks are limited. The question is, how high will it go for the people here at Xtreme...

If they just don't clock well they X800XT may well keep its position.

IMO, that will make all the difference between these cards. the 6800u i believe will scale better than the x800xt. but will it overclock % wise like the x800xt :confused:

I dont believe in benching outside of a case, so im really instrested in which card performs better on pelts and water. and one thing right off that makes me lean to the x800xt is my water block will work on these new ati cards. i can buy it and have a bench in under 10 mins :D

[Bennah]

Another bonus is that the X800 XT isnt as hungry for volts as the 6800 Ultra but that might be a good thing ;)

How about the 6800 GT, how does that compare to the others?

[shafty]

like some said before i would like to see some 1600x1200 af and aa on. at stock speeds and some overclocks speeds. for both cards.

[Wrench]

Actually HardOcp out of all the places did a wicked review 6800 vs x800. They Threw out 3dmurk out the window and used Games only. Gave a good impression of what we should expect. Yes X800xt totally spanked the 6800 ultra heck x800 pro spanked 6800 ultra in many games.

For games I definetly would choose X800XT.

For Benchies and wenis envy I would choose 6800 Ultra.

I play games not benchmarks so the answer is simple for me..

As for the counting of transistors thats complete bull Nvidia counts the transistors ATI just counts the Logic gates and estimates how many Transistors it could have, therefore they maybe completly wrong about the 160 Million x800 transistors.

[Soulburner]

The reviews I put the most faith in are from Anandtech (there are a few others but thats my main one). They really know what they are talking about and some of the stuff they get into while talking about video card technology is just amazing. Their benchmarks are very fair...now I never saw this "spanking" of the 6800...both cards in most reviews are pretty close to one another which is how it should be, with the Nvidia winning some and the ATI winning some.

As far as the transistors go - I don't think ATI is going to be too far off on knowing the transistor count of their own products. Also since the die of the NV40 is physically bigger its obvious which one has more transistors.

[HawainPanda]

whoa...the 6800 has some really awsome results

[Kanavit]

The 6800 ultra has 33% larger die than a Gallatin P4 EE. It may run hotter, but it will definitely have the surface area advantage over the x800. Meaning better heat dissapation. I would throw out Unreal tournament 2004, i don't really see this as a modern real world DX 9 benchmark. Far Cry is the best game determining video card performance right now. currently all the review sites shows the x800 to be faster than 6800 ultra in Far Cry, but thats because the 6800 ultra is running Far Cry in NV3X mode and Not NV40 SM 3.0 mode. when new drivers released are optimized for NV40 architecture it will run much faster.

[zakelwe]

As nobody as yet put extreme cooling on a 6800U and volt modded it I think talk of a 600Mhz limit is premature.

Regards

Andy

[Crankster]

Unreal is still hella fun though and is a decently new game. No reason to remove that. I have strong faith in nvidia this time.

[Djuice]

kickass score there, but will still get the X800XT over this coz for gaming wise...

[Mini]

Originally posted by Kanavit
The 6800 ultra has 33% larger die than a Gallatin P4 EE. It may run hotter, but it will definitely have the surface area advantage over the x800. Meaning better heat dissapation. I would throw out Unreal tournament 2004, i don't really see this as a modern real world DX 9 benchmark. Far Cry is the best game determining video card performance right now. currently all the review sites shows the x800 to be faster than 6800 ultra in Far Cry, but thats because the 6800 ultra is running Far Cry in NV3X mode and Not NV40 SM 3.0 mode. when new drivers released are optimized for NV40 architecture it will run much faster.

The beta drivers(61.XX) do run it in NV40 dont they?? Besides SM 3.0 shouldnt do much...

But X800XT is faster in all the games xept openGL where both cards run with over 100 FPS:rolleyes:

And x800XT still gives a much better picture in far cry;o)

And Valve say that HL2 is now playable on 6800U but still it is FAR behind X800XT...

And the Unreal3 video from NV40 release... People say that it ran MUCH faster on X800XT at E3 ;o)

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by Mini
The beta drivers(61.XX) do run it in NV40 dont they?? Besides SM 3.0 shouldnt do much...

But X800XT is faster in all the games xept openGL where both cards run with over 100 FPS:rolleyes:

And x800XT still gives a much better picture in far cry;o)

And Valve say that HL2 is now playable on 6800U but still it is FAR behind X800XT...

And the Unreal3 video from NV40 release... People say that it ran MUCH faster on X800XT at E3 ;o)

I get the feeling you are still sitting on the fence ;)

Saying the X800XT is faster in all games except OpenGL is a bit of an incorrect generalisation, especially as no retail cards with retail drivers are out yet on the nvidia side.

Regards

Andy

[texuspete00]

Valve says HL2 will be "playable" on a 6800U..... thats funny. Valve wishes the game will have as much technical wow factor that it would have had if it actually game out soon or last year. There beta benches on a 9800XT were handily 'playable." Took forever for games to catch up to the 9700 I don't think we need to worry about playable for a bit ;)

[yuri]

http://24.158.154.102/images/farcry.jpg


review with fx53 (http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/6800x800pro/index.htm)

[Soulburner]

Why do people even post that pic? They enabled Nvidias crappy 8x AA mode which cripples the card. The ATI is only running at 6x :rolleyes:.

NO ONE is going to be using 8x.

The ATI minimum FPS was 14. I hardly deem that playable either.

I don't know why Nvidia even bothered with the 8x feature if you can't even use it. If you ask me they should just remove it from the driver unless they can find another technique that yields better results. Its only making them look bad by not having a 6x mode.

[Kanavit]

also, not to mention ATI's optimization rumors when x800 running 8x AF , the x800 uses bilinear filtering , not like NV40 running Trilinear filtering with 8x af enabled, giving performance to ATI. bilinear offers considerably less image quality than trilinear filtering, but no one fails to meantion that.

[Djuice]

no one fail to mention it becoz no one could tell the difference...

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by Djuice
no one fail to mention it becoz no one could tell the difference... yea, well .. at least we know why now x800 is faster with AF.

[DeathMonk]

Originally posted by Soulburner
I don't know why Nvidia even bothered with the 8x feature if you can't even use it.

I'm sure you can use it with older games just fine..

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by DeathMonk
I'm sure you can use it with older games just fine..
Yeah possibly, those games that run at 300+fps may run at around 50 or so.....:rolleyes:

Now that Nvidia is using the same method as ATI, why don't they have a good 6x mode out?

[LardArse]

Guys, when do you think Futuremark will "approve" of the drivers for the 6800 U so that scores can be published??

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by LardArse
Guys, when do you think Futuremark will "approve" of the drivers for the 6800 U so that scores can be published??


Good point, they must be stacking up, maybe worm just needs a dig.

Let me give him a dig.

Regards

Andy

[Kanavit]

The last time i checked, 60.72 are approved drivers for 6800 series only at Futuremark approved drivers list.

[sierra_bound]

CompUSA now has the 6800U (PNY version) on its website. In-store pick-up only. Link (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=313398&pfp=srch1)

[macci]

Dryice cooled 6800U doing a bit over 15k in 3dmark03:
LINK (http://www.coolaler.com/article/article.php/158)
(by coolaler)

Score: 15377
card: 540/1250
CPU: 4GHz Prescott

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by macci
Dryice cooled 6800U doing a bit over 15k in 3dmark03:
LINK (http://www.coolaler.com/article/article.php/158)
(by coolaler)

Score: 15377
card: 540/1250
CPU: 4GHz Prescott

Well he is 50fps down on GT1 using the Prescott .. what's the score per fps in Gt1 ?

Does this look promising macci when using dual cascade rather than dry ice ?

I'd like to know what psu he was using with that card. Nvidia say a good 12v rail is needed so I am interested in how the cards overclock with say 11.8v and average amp v 12.2-12.5v with good amps.

Regards

Andy

[macci]

Another one from the same guy :)

590/1250
CPU: 4700MHz
LN2 cooled

16383 (http://coolaler.nil.com.tw/images/TOP/top1.gif)

another screenshot (http://coolaler.nil.com.tw/images/TOP/top2.gif)

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by macci
Another one from the same guy :)

590/1250
CPU: 4700MHz
LN2 cooled

16383 (http://coolaler.nil.com.tw/images/TOP/top1.gif)

another screenshot (http://coolaler.nil.com.tw/images/TOP/top2.gif) Getting a little close. wow, look at the cpu clocks. why is people using prescott , when the P4 EE is faster? as i expected , 600mhz on NV40 should do the trick. nice find.

[macci]

Also its running at default GPU voltage :D
P4EE instead of that Prescott would boost GT1 above 400 for sure and give a nice 250-350 marks boost..

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by macci
Also its running at default GPU voltage :D
P4EE instead of that Prescott would boost GT1 above 400 for sure and give a nice 250-350 marks boost.. hehe, I am looking foward to see NV40 perform under your guidance, Macci. but in secret, don't want to piss ati off.

[LardArse]

The 6800 U is a real troublesome card to bench with, first the mounting holes are different from the FXes so I had to rip out the insulation on the evap to switch a holddown, and now after insulation, I found the damn holes too damn small for my screws!! :mad:

http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/6800.JPG

http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/68002.JPG

Maybe I'll use zip ties for the time being....

[macci]

Ouch!! :D
I smell 17k++ coming =)

looks like you vmodded it too. Have you done any test runs yet? Aircooled etc?

[Kanavit]

Lardarse, very nice setup there! when did you get the 6800 ultra? Can't wait to see some benchies!

[LardArse]

Only tested out the vmod on air cool, Volterra wouldn't let me in on the datasheets so I had to play sherlock for a bit. Default is ~ 1.43v in windows/3D, first run will be on 1.69v, if I can find a way to hold down soon enough....

[althes]

Sweet, the fight is on, why cant you publish the scores

[EmineM]

they didnt add the 6800 series yet :(

[floppy]

Originally posted by Kanavit
Lardarse, very nice setup there! when did you get the 6800 ultra? Can't wait to see some benchies!

that was a week back. i smell a nice fight coming up between macci, lard and opp. :)

[NeGe0]

Originally posted by althes
Sweet, the fight is on, why cant you publish the scores

I think it's because futuremark said that they won't allow any score to be published until the card is officially in retail. I don't see anywhere in america where you can get that card.

I looked on the compusa site but you can't find any stores that have it in stock. So even if they say it's available for store pick-up...you can't find a store to pick it up in.

[althes]

Well that sux, great going la

[Mathias-K]

Man that's nice!
X800XT modded, LN2 gives 16.7K
6800U stock voltage, DI gives 16.3K

What about another Team Finland party? :D

[STEvil]

mathias - 16.3 was LN2.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by STEvil
mathias - 16.3 was LN2.
On the CPU and the GPU both?

[macci]

X800XT modded, LN2 gives 16.7K
6800U stock voltage, DI gives 16.3K
well not quite

X800XT (717/636) + prescott@4.1g + Dryice + gpumod = 15738
6800u (540/625) + prescott @4g + dryice = 15377

x800xt (760/651) + p4ee 4.4g + ln2 + gpu mod (no current limit mod) = 16774
6800u (590/625) + prescott 4.7g + ln2 = 16383

[Djuice]

So we would be seeing 17k soon...

[interman]

too bad the mounting holes were changed from the fx series

[LardArse]

I dunno when I can get the screws for the job but heck it, zip ties and F-clamps for now.

http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/6800clampy2.JPG

http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/6800clampy1.JPG

[r3b0rN]

LOL, its a monster :slobber: good luck.

[macci]

YEa thats one evil looking config! :D

Up and running yet?

[Kanavit]

that looks absolutely sick! hope it runs better than it looks.

[r3b0rN]

with phase change/cascade cooling it generally goes the uglier the better :D

[Bennah]

that looks sick! Some of macci's setups are mad but dont look like that :slobber:

[charlie]

and to think......
if the whole rig was just in an airtight box, you wouldn't need all the proofing :D
Easy to do too... just build an acrylic box 2' x 2' x 2', set in down on TOP of the rig, and fill the box with helium, like as in from ballons/tank.... no air, no moisture, no frost :D

C

[STEvil]

shh, they might hear you charlie!

[althes]

sweet setup

[bh2k]

Yea, lard Dabit over at ice cold has done it with the airtight case that totally stops condensation. I think in the area you live in it might not be a bad idea to check it out. I believe it's here (http://www.icecoldcomputing.com/text/show_page.php?id=37)

[Cow2kie]

That would be cool to have.. except when I have to reset my bios a million times on my dfi board:brick:

So would you not need any of the seal string on the prommy head if you had it in an airtight case like that??? How did he get all of the air out of the box once it was put together?

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by STEvil
shh, they might hear you charlie!


with his high pitched squeaky helium voice :D

Regards


Andy

PS Looking forward to Lardarses results, must be mid afternoon overthere in the Far East by now ...

Regards

Andy

[Hallowed]

Andy, my level headed friend:

Did you also notice a few things which have caused the "consensus" to lean unjustifiably to the X800XT?

Drivers: WHQL approved 60.72's with no Trilinear optimizations against Beta 4.5's which feature said optimizations and inflated 03' scores.

Clocks: X800XT PE's are 520 / 560, normal XT's are 500 / 1000, PE's are of a very limited quantity at over $500 pricepoint.

I think for gaming OR 3DMark, the cards are out and out equals. :)

[STEvil]

I'd like either right now.. 9700 died and i'm about flat broke :/

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by Hallowed
Andy, my level headed friend:

Did you also notice a few things which have caused the "consensus" to lean unjustifiably to the X800XT?

Drivers: WHQL approved 60.72's with no Trilinear optimizations against Beta 4.5's which feature said optimizations and inflated 03' scores.

Clocks: X800XT PE's are 520 / 560, normal XT's are 500 / 1000, PE's are of a very limited quantity at over $500 pricepoint.

I think for gaming OR 3DMark, the cards are out and out equals. :)


It would be a turn around if ATi are optimising and nvidia have stopped. There has been a 20% rise in some games in 3dmark03 over Cat 4.3's, so that is a pretty big jump. The 61 series for nvidia get 2-3% over 60.72, which is reasonable from I guess ongoing work.

I guess both parties really really want that #1 spot :)

I'm still awaiting my 6800U and it looks like it will be after Computex now.

Regards

Andy

[LardArse]

Ok I scrapped the crap zip tie F clampage and used some brass rods and screw to hold down better. I just can't seem to find screws this small around :( I'm sure clamping can be improved.

http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/6800newclamp1.JPG

http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/6800newclamp2.JPG


First run at 600/1190 with P4EE @ 323 x 14 -> 4522 :

http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/16734.JPG

http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/16734page.JPG

Can't publish

http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/16734page2.JPG

I can't get any higher than 1.67v, maybe some overvoltage crap or something. Something's weird too, After a short benching, it keeps getting problems dropping back to desktop after a bench, I've had tests completed at 610 but black screens whenever it drops to desktop generating the results. Could be some condensation issues... Card also does not run as cold as I expected, the heatsinks and caps at the power area gets pretty hot with Evap @ -98C.

Nature seems kinda low for some reason...

Just the normal tweaks in nvidia panel. LOD seem kinda sharp, any ways to blur it? :D Trilinear optimizations on, which is faster?

[sierra_bound]

Nice score, Shamino. Nature does look low for those clocks. If you can get memory above 1200, you probably will have a shot at 17K.

[Hallowed]

Nice 1 LA. :)

That 6800U is packing some punch at those speeds. :eek:

[Crankster]

Aye, i smell a REAL battle! The first in a looong time.



PS. this ain't no prediction, it's a fact. Capische? :D

[Hallowed]

Capice, yes. ;) :D

[charlie]

Originally posted by Cow2kie
That would be cool to have.. except when I have to reset my bios a million times on my dfi board:brick:

So would you not need any of the seal string on the prommy head if you had it in an airtight case like that??? How did he get all of the air out of the box once it was put together?

no, no, nooooooo
You don't NEED to seal the box airtight! make an open top acrylic box, turn it upside down on top of a mobo/rig.... fill with helium, which will push OUT all the AIR, leaving the mobo surrounded by helium, which DOESN'T have water vapor in it :D

C

[STEvil]

long wire + 2 way switch on end extending outside of box would for for bios resets.

I find it easier to flip PSU switch, wait 5 seconds, hold down insert, and power on.

[Kanavit]

hmm, what did Macci get with his top 3dmark03 score?

[ant1]

16774 :o
only 41 points more for a new wr!

[althes]

war i tell ya.

[charlie]

hmmm... so so I understand then that P4EE + LN2 + X800XT is basically EVEN with P4EE + Cascade + 6800U???
Wow....Nvidia's in the game, ehh?

C

[Cow2kie]

Originally posted by charlie
no, no, nooooooo
You don't NEED to seal the box airtight! make an open top acrylic box, turn it upside down on top of a mobo/rig.... fill with helium, which will push OUT all the AIR, leaving the mobo surrounded by helium, which DOESN'T have water vapor in it :D

C

no i didnt mean to seal string the box. I was asking if you would have to have sealstring on the prommyhead if you had it airtight like that filled w/ helium

[Kanavit]

Macci's x800 was at 770mhz.

Lardarse 6800 was at 600mhz. i can see why Macci is concerned about the 6800 ultra. He had every reason to be ..

[LardArse]

Charlie, I think the 6800 should go at least 20 Mhz more if I can get things goin, it needs more voltage, if only I could give it more, I think a 650 run with 1.8v and -98C evap is possible if I can get pass the voltage limit lock of 1.67v. Thing with nvidia cards is the damn throtling especially with memory overclock and you dunno if it clocks back.
WR right now is 1680+ with macci's Dual Cascades.

[berkut]

After a short benching, it keeps getting problems dropping back to desktop after a bench

PSU problems ?

[macci]

Excellent start w/ 6800U + cascade Sir! :toast:


Interesting to see how 'different' the cards are but still score basically the same overall result.
Seems that NV40 has more 'raw speed' (GT1-3) while the X800XT has better shader powa (GT4)?

GT: 6800u: x800xt:
1_: 438.3 414.6
2_: 126.1 122.1
3_: 107.9 101.4
4_: 97.9 115.8
tot 16734 16802

Lets include coolaler's 16383 result here too:
http://coolaler.nil.com.tw/images/TOP/top4.JPG
its at 590/1250. Quite a bit higher nature result and also a bit higher GT2 and 3. Is the NV40 all memspeed limited at those GPU speeds?

[zakelwe]

Nice score Lardarse :toast:

Do you get better overclock results if you can supply more than 12v through the twin molex connectors, or is the 1.67v to the gpu causing the limit only ?

That GT4 result replicates other ( lower ) 6800 scores I have seen, ie it is a lot lower than ATi. As GT2 and GT3 use shaders but GT4 is the only DX9 game then I guess either the DX9 shaders are different or nvidia DX9 is not so hot at present full stop.

I guess nvidia driver time will be working on this over the following weeks ( hopefully their halo's will not slip ;) ) and if they can match Ati there then this is looking very good.

It would be nice to find a software or hardware fix to stop the nvidia series defaulting back to 2D speeds when pushed too far, this nannying, for non extreme overclockers, is annoying.

Regards

Andy

PS Sorry for the long post, have you done any 2001 benching yet ?

[LardArse]

I dunno it could be that throttling does come in some time, throttling back the memory speed. The only recent nvidia card I played with was the 5600 and it seems to behave the same way, you can easily tell when throttling comes in with core being pushed too far (a long jerk) but when the memory throttles, you can't tell except from the fps.
Berkut don't think so, it will keep going on 3D but coming back to desktop gives black screen.
No 2001 yet, but I expect it to be significantly worse than ATI as per nvidia's trend.
My 12v is around 12.2v underload with the EE sucking 1.85v.
I'm gonna try rivatuner to see if i can adjust some LODs. Will be trilinear optimizations be faster or should I just turn it off?

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by LardArse
I dunno it could be that throttling does come in some time, throttling back the memory speed. The only recent nvidia card I played with was the 5600 and it seems to behave the same way, you can easily tell when throttling comes in with core being pushed too far (a long jerk) but when the memory throttles, you can't tell except from the fps.
Berkut don't think so, it will keep going on 3D but coming back to desktop gives black screen.
No 2001 yet, but I expect it to be significantly worse than ATI as per nvidia's trend.
My 12v is around 12.2v underload with the EE sucking 1.85v.
I'm gonna try rivatuner to see if i can adjust some LODs. Will be trilinear optimizations be faster or should I just turn it off?

Leave the optimisations in as that will force brilinear rather than trilinear so make it faster.

For LOD expect GT1 to go down but GT2,GT3 and GT4 to go up in fps, well it did with the FX series, but you may be capped by the P4 in GT1 so having the LOD high here might not effect it.

Try LOD of 3,6,9 and 12. My guess is a LOD of about 8 will be best.

Regards

Andy

[pkrew]

Any chance of running the same cpu clock as macci and showing a screen shot?

[***Deimos***]

Still hard to imagine that just a month or two ago, you guys were struggling to get 10k. Considering that a X800XT or 6800U would give me about 2.5-3 times what I have now... it might just be time to kick the bucket, suck it up and smack down the cash on the barrell head, and get either X800XT or 6800U.

16-17K is is ridiculously high... A year ago before Radeon 9700pro, I was struggling to get 5K. (which means: great job man at an amazing overclock)

[Hallowed]

Lardarse, or macci:

Do any other game tests start to show gains from fast CPU other than GT1 yet?

[zakelwe]

6800 and 6800U scores can now be published on the ORB.

At present there is one entry !

Lardarse, publish your score !

Regards

Andy

[LardArse]

Done:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2593377

Its no WHQLed though, I'll need to rerun with 60.85... if I can solve the stupid throttling nonsense

[STEvil]

install with high GPU/ram temps?

[LardArse]

Originally posted by zakelwe
6800 and 6800U scores can now be published on the ORB.

At present there is one entry !

Lardarse, publish your score !

Regards

Andy

Heh I wonder if Computex Taiwan had anything to do with it? I was messaging over the phone to Visionary who's over at Taiwan now about coaxing out the secret to disabling thermal thrttling out from nvidia. He said nvidia personal admitted that there is a too hot and too cold limit that throttling will set in. And he said he would try to talk to Futuremark to get them to allow the publishing of 6800 scores.
Sick card is throttling at desktop stock speeds with -101C evap :mad:

[Mini]

What is that throtling thing???

Nice scores... But i think that 3dmark should be benched at 1280x1024 with 8AA/8AF... Otherwise it just sux... Your not even stressing the card :o/

[gokickrocks]

the 6800 has a "too cold" limit? :stick: nvidia

[LardArse]

17K breached!

http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/6800/17182.JPG

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2603430

603/1250

I've had to alternate between drivers/powerstrip, etc with warm GPU until the throttling seems to go away. Now I'm just a little wary of installing the 60.85 drivers for fear of it coming back!! :mad:

Anyways, 608/1270 should be doable...

[Hallowed]

Amazing work Shamino. :toast:

Now to point the FM kiddies here...

[thomas66]

ohh yeah that looks so sweet.
nvidia power is coooooommmming

[Hallowed]

Shamino: are the 60.85's faster? Or did you mean the FM-legit 60.72's?

[LardArse]

Originally posted by Hallowed
Shamino: are the 60.85's faster? Or did you mean the FM-legit 60.72's?

If I'm not wrong 60.85 should be the latest WHQLed, but I heard that 61.11 is faster, which is what I'm using now.

[Hallowed]

So youre going for FM approved or merely WHQL status?

I don't think it should matter much, as the 61.11's appear to show natural D3D speed increases rather than FX-style hacks to gain speed.

People should figure out that your 17K is more than legit. :)

[dpa]

Originally posted by LardArse
If I'm not wrong 60.85 should be the latest WHQLed, but I heard that 61.11 is faster, which is what I'm using now.

Nice score! :D
Good luck to the next barrier! (18k)

[Mini]

Darn... We are actually kinda close to 20k... I dont think that 3dmark01 should survive the next generation of gfx and cpu... That would be just lame...

[Kanavit]

WOOT- cheers Lardarse

Nvidia can rest easy now. Futuremark record has been broken again!

[LardArse]

Just reran with 60.85 drivers with 600/1250: 17117

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2603719

FM is really coming down on nvidia hard huh, it won't even approve the 60.85 WHQLed drivers...

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by LardArse
Just reran with 60.85 drivers with 600/1250: 17117

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2603719

FM is really coming down on nvidia hard huh, it won't even approve the 60.85 WHQLed drivers... very check out what the mods have to say about your well earned score:

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=mo3dmark03&Number=3916632&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=3&vc=1

[Hiwayman]

Congrats guys nice going:) and using the non-pro version too. I had a feeling this was going to happen soon.

[LardArse]

Thx guys, Ill try to install the 60.72 drivers then.

[zakelwe]

:toast:

very nice score, good luck with the 60.72's my guess is you will drop 2% or so , so it might be close at the top for FM approved drivers.

Been a long time since nvidia was at the top.

Regards

Andy

[zakelwe]

Have you done any 2001 runs yet ? I know, I sound like a broken record .. actually really i am interested in natuire to be honest

Regards

Andy

[LardArse]

Not a single 2001 yet. I don't have high hopes on that, think ATI should be faster, and P4EE gets whacked by the FXes on it too. Lemme play with 2003 more first ;)

[sierra_bound]

Congratulations, Shamino. :toast:

I heard Nvidia is getting ready to release a faster driver, so you may not be done with breaking records. ;)