Is hanging on to my BH-5 really worth it or shold I sell?

[Orian]

Well obviously we all know that BH-5 is long out of production and the price of the sticks has gone way up. My quesiton is do you think it is worth it to hang onto these sticks? or should I just sell them off. The only reason why I even ask is because socket 939 is right around the corner and I think it would be super pimp to use these two sticks that I have... But then again I've been seeing some serious results with these new memories, such as the EB series. What ever happend to BH-4 anyways? Or this DDR2 memory? When will we be using that? Well, let me know what you all think before I sell off my BH-5, as I have a few offers pending already.

[S&M]

same questions here - opened it on memory forum and no comments there ....

I have the same prob. ......

[hallowen]

IMO, I would Hold on to Them For Awhile!;)

I'm Not EVER Selling Mine. :p:

Like you Just said,

They're Hard to Find/The Price keeps going Up/and You Never Know When You're Going to NEED Them!:up:

[LilGator]

They are nice sticks, but I think we are nearing the time where 1GB is necessary...

so I think OCZ EB are good options for S939

[Mini]

Keep em...

They are doin 264 at only 3.15Vdimm(If your sig is right)

[Orian]

265mhz was at 3.4 vdimm. My main interest is the future. I really see socket 939 dominating, but who knows how these sticks will perform in socket 939? Also I was hoping that we will be using DDR2 very soon. I agree that we are nearing a time where we need 1024megs. I just feel really bad parting with these sticks. Maybe if someone offered me a good amount of money it would change my mind...

[Dominos]

If I were you and I were a gamer, I would sell them to get 1gb of EB mem instead, but I would sell them for as much as I could, almost fooling someone who really wants them to get a couple of bucks extra. but thats just me ;)

[a5h]

yeah i agree ...i need 1 GiG too.

Im in the process of selling 2x256 BH-5 Corsair and 2x256 PC4000 Corsair (along with a bunch or other things like my Nokia n-gage and GBA :p )...im gonna get me a GiG of some new good ram for my system ;) since im not breaking any records with my rig benching ...might as well help my gaming needs ;)

I'll prob. end up getting some EB ...or some Mushkin BH-6 (since i heard they are doing really good too)

[Cornelious0_0]

While I'm not fortunate enough to have my hands on any BH-5 ATM, I'm gonna be trying to pick up a 1GB kit of OCZ EB to replace my current ram (in sig). My current PC4000EL does 262FSB @ 1:1 3-4-4-8 and I'm very happy with the bandwidth, but that EB is just TOO tempting. ;) Especially that PC3500 EB that has basically no issues getting up to (and often clearing) 250MHz @ 1:1 with about 2.9v or so. Whats nice is that AT PC4000 speeds it consistently outperforms it's competition.....just check out the two charts
here (http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=2019&p=12).

Basically, the OCZ PC3500EB at DDR510 performs directly on par with even the likes of Corsairs PC4000Pro clock MUCH higher at DDR539. Looks like OCZ got something right with this stuff. ;)

[S&M]

i have 2X512 mb bh5 - and i think of selling them and get me one stick of 1gb OCZ EB for now - and later get another one ...

what do u say ?

[Cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by S&M
i have 2X512 mb bh5 - and i think of selling them and get me one stick of 1gb OCZ EB for now - and later get another one ...

what do u say ?

Well in the long run that is a very nice plan, just as long as you're willing to go with half the bandwidth for the time being.....as you'll have the single stick installed. I really love the extra performance of the EB stuff and it's AWSOME to see a 2GB DC kit out there.....

[S&M]

nah - i dont mean for my p4 rig - for an A64 ....

[Cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by S&M
nah - i dont mean for my p4 rig - for an A64 ....

Or, sry.....yeah, then go right ahead dude.....I guess I just misunderstood you.

Man, that 2GB kit would be really nice.....I just can't justify spending that much on RAM for my comp. If I had the cash then sure, I'd be all over it.....no questions there. ;)

[saaya]

keep em

939=4 memory slots=4x256mb=1gb wich means they will still be of use later on. the fastest memory atm is ddr600, but thats with 3-4-4-8 ... ddr550 with 2-2-2 will be able to compete even with ddr2 667 and probably even with ddr2 800!

[T07N]

BH-5 won't be the best forever. :rolleyes:

[Cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by bluestar88
BH-5 won't be the best forever. :rolleyes:

Heh, yeah.....just wait.....there'll be some sort of "DDR2 equivalent" coming along sooner or later. But then it'll just be the exact same thing all over again, so nothing's really going to change. ;)

[saaya]

hmmm watch the ocz eb prices, if they go down then its time to sell your stuff. bh5 is still faster than eb, so you should be able to get at least the same money for them as people are paying for the eb.

[Cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by saaya
hmmm watch the ocz eb prices

I agree, I can really see this stuff taking off.

[T07N]

Originally posted by Cornelious0_0
Heh, yeah.....just wait.....there'll be some sort of "DDR2 equivalent" coming along sooner or later. But then it'll just be the exact same thing all over again, so nothing's really going to change. ;)

Yeah, it might take awhile for that stuff to go out. Why would Winbond stop making such powerful chips?

[Cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by bluestar88
Yeah, it might take awhile for that stuff to go out. Why would Winbond stop making such powerful chips?

Yeah, I'm hoping that their magic never goes out. ;)

[KennyC]

I thought about the samething, but Once I got my IC7-MAX3 Modded I then knew that these sticks and this motherboard would be mine for a LONG time..

[interman]

Originally posted by bluestar88
Yeah, it might take awhile for that stuff to go out. Why would Winbond stop making such powerful chips?

they were pressured out of the market by different companies, or something like that

[Stang_Man]

sell em, they'll be something just as good as BH-5 if not better in the future.

[Orian]

Well it's gone. I won't be getting new hardware till at least Socket 939 so I think I should be alright, plus I got what I wanted for them.

[Cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by Orian
Well it's gone. I won't be getting new hardware till at least Socket 939 so I think I should be alright, plus I got what I wanted for them.

I'm glad that the sale worked out for ya.....so, you pickin' up some OCZ EB then or what?

[Orian]

Thanks bud. Actually I am currently using my laptop exclusivley, and it's not too bad. Athlon 64 M6809 (http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6809) It will get the job done for me till Socket 939 comes around, then I'll buy all new hardware. Here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35054) is my post with my first overclocking experience with it.

[saaya]

please add your bh5 to the database, thx :)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35598

[T07N]

Originally posted by interman
they were pressured out of the market by different companies, or something like that

HAHA pressured? If they put those chips into mass production, every memory manufacture will want them.

[:PopCorn]

Originally posted by Cornelious0_0
While I'm not fortunate enough to have my hands on any BH-5 ATM, I'm gonna be trying to pick up a 1GB kit of OCZ EB to replace my current ram (in sig). My current PC4000EL does 262FSB @ 1:1 3-4-4-8 and I'm very happy with the bandwidth, but that EB is just TOO tempting. ;) Especially that PC3500 EB that has basically no issues getting up to (and often clearing) 250MHz @ 1:1 with about 2.9v or so. Whats nice is that AT PC4000 speeds it consistently outperforms it's competition.....just check out the two charts
here (http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=2019&p=12).

Basically, the OCZ PC3500EB at DDR510 performs directly on par with even the likes of Corsairs PC4000Pro clock MUCH higher at DDR539. Looks like OCZ got something right with this stuff. ;)

I can tell you first hand, the EB owns. I grabbed it as soon as it hit the market and have been more and more impressed with it everyday.

[sandman]

I'm going to be selling my 2x256mb of mushkin BH-5. I need a gig.

[T07N]

Can you show us some sandra with with EB series?

[T07N]

Originally posted by sandman
I'm going to be selling my 2x256mb of mushkin BH-5. I need a gig.

If you're going to play Farcry, HL2, Doom III, etc. That gig will make a big difference. No swapping!

[:PopCorn]

Originally posted by bluestar88
Can you show us some sandra with with EB series?

If you meant me, I'll post what I have..

Set up:
-------

2.4c @ 3.4ghz @ 1.575v
Asus P4P800-DLX Rev.2 @ 283mhz fsb
1GB OCZ PC3500EB Ram @ 226mhz - (2.5-2-2-5 @ 2.85v)
ATI Radeon x800 R420 oc'd to 525/1100 (Powerstrip 3.5 Beta)
Catalyst 4.5 Official set to default "balanced" in Control Panel


Results
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Sandra Max 3
6,258 MB/s Buffered
3,194 MB/s Unbuffered

Aida32
5,592 Read
2,187 Write

Super Pi
40 Seconds (1M)

Aquamark3
66,251


3dmark2001se
23,091


3dmark2003
10,165


Not extreme, but not too shabby either. Board isn't modded and I'm running at low voltage campared what they can handle in the right board. PAT of course is disabled on the P4P800.

[T07N]

Damn 6000mb buffered in sandra?!?!

[Cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by bluestar88
Damn 6000mb buffered in sandra?!?!

6GB/s is a nice feat in itself......but PC3500 running at 226MHz ASYNC CAS2.5...........that's simply astounding.

Man, now i REALLY wanna ditch my PC4000 for this stuff.....just.....too.....tempting. :p:

[:PopCorn]

(kind of old but all I have right now)

This was from the night 2 weeks ago when I installed my water cooling. I loosened my timings up a bit as to not run into any memory "wildcard" issues while trying to find stable CPU clocks. Since then I've found 2.5-2-2-5- to be just as stable. 2.5-3-2-6,7,8 is stable to near ddr500. 3-3-2-6,7,8 gets me beyond ddr500 1:1, still @ 2.85v only.

http://img64.photobucket.com/albums/v195/:PopCorn/PC_Exos.jpg

Performance was still 6000 MB/s + in sandra at 2.5-3-2-6

[boshi]

xtreme overclocking?

[:PopCorn]

Just did a quick new Sandra for you. Score was a bit lower (6,224 MB/s vs 6,258) but I've played with settings some since then, I've messed with Turbo vs Standard, MAM On vs OFF, and so on. Still close and I didn't want you guys interested in EB to think I was BSing either. :)

http://img64.photobucket.com/albums/v195/:PopCorn/Sanrdra.jpg

[saaya]

Originally posted by bluestar88
If you're going to play Farcry, HL2, Doom III, etc. That gig will make a big difference. No swapping!

939 has 4 memory slots, thats why i picked up 4 256mb sticks of bh5 :D

[mrflushysheaven]

will having 4 sticks affect overclockablility?

[Cornelious0_0]

Please excure the very newbish question here but what exactly do i have to do to be able to run to instances of Prime. I have played around with the infinnity settings and it doesn't seem to want to work. CPUz is fine with loading up two copies but I really do want to be able to have two copies of Prime going for stress testing. I am able to keep both cpu's at 100% without dual prime.....but it isn't stressing it in the same way.....and probly "letting things through" from time to time.

[:PopCorn]

Originally posted by Cornelious0_0
Please excure the very newbish question here but what exactly do i have to do to be able to run to instances of Prime. I have played around with the infinnity settings and it doesn't seem to want to work. CPUz is fine with loading up two copies but I really do want to be able to have two copies of Prime going for stress testing. I am able to keep both cpu's at 100% without dual prime.....but it isn't stressing it in the same way.....and probly "letting things through" from time to time.

I create 2 folders. Prime 1 & Prime 2

All I do is unzip a copy of Prime to one folder and the second to the other. I copy a shortcut from folder 1 & folder 2 to the desktop. So then you have Prime95 1 & Prime 95 2. Set affinity to "0" in 1 and to "1" in second prime.

That's it.

[Cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by :PopCorn
I create 2 folders. Prime 1 & Prime 2

All I do is unzip a copy of Prime to one folder and the second to the other. I copy a shortcut from folder 1 & folder 2 to the desktop. So then you have Prime95 1 & Prime 95 2. Set affinity to "0" in 1 and to "1" in second prime.

That's it.

Believe it or not thats somethign that I never really thought of, thx.

[:PopCorn]

np buddy :)

[Cornelious0_0]

Works great.....only way I can get the graph to stay a steady 100%.....good stuff.

Just tryin' it out.....nothing major:

http://1stclasspcs.com/uploaded/prime.JPG

K, I promise.....no more off topic stuff for me, no reason to try and take over the thread, I'm just glad is all. ;)

[:PopCorn]

:toast:

I use all the different tests but have found the middle one, "Maximum Heat, Power Consumption, etc... to be the one I use the most when trying to stabilze and find my Max CPU overclocks.

Later.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I was also wondering if filling all 4 dimm slots would hurt ocability. also when will games need more than 1gb ram? I cant imagine anytime soon and by the time they do there will be 1GB sticks of ddr2 out anyway. also is s939 and s754 using the nf3 250 chipset identical except for the dual channel in s939?

[Cornelious0_0]

Well we're already seeing games coming out relatively soon that are going to NEED or at least actually benefit from having 1GB of ram. Everquest2 REQUIRES 1GB and they recommend 2GB.....and I wouldn't even THINK of playing HL2 or Doom3 with only 512MB. The biggest thing I think about when It comes down to the question of "should i get 1GB" is the pagefile. If you HAVE a pagefile, windows will default a lot of "work" to it, instead of just using the system ram first. Think of it this way.....if I have my pagefile enabled, windows WILL make use of it, whether my system ram is low or not. Consider this, I can get 5-6GB/s out of my system ram, whereas when you're accessing the pagefile.....you're relying on your hard drive that transfers at like 100MB/s.....quite a big difference there if you ask me.

Being able to completely disable my page file is the single biggest improvement (in terms of system speed) that I have seen yet from having 1GB of ram.....everything is just so much faster and more responsive. There are some games already out there and more on teh way that will skip a bit with only 512MB of ram.....and it won't be long until you wouldn't even THINK of gaming with 512MB.

So, to make a long story short, yes.....1GB is worth it, plain and simple.

[mrflushysheaven]

i agree with the needing 1gb for gaming. that's why i need it and i wanna be able to run 4 sticks of 256 at around 260 2-2-2-5 when i get my 3.0c and 256x2 of mushkin bh-6. just wondering if it's likely at around 3.2-3.5v

[Cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by mrflushysheaven
i agree with the needing 1gb for gaming. that's why i need it and i wanna be able to run 4 sticks of 256 at around 260 2-2-2-5 when i get my 3.0c and 256x2 of mushkin bh-6. just wondering if it's likely at around 3.2-3.5v

Hopefully it'll work out for ya, it's to iffy for me to say whether or not you'd "get away" with it or not. The only bad thing I have to say about using 4 sticks of 256MB is that since they won't ALL run (flawlessly) at the SAME clocks with the SAME timings. The more sticks you add, the bigger chance there is that one of them might not like the settings.....which would end up causing stability problems. There's also the fact that having a single 512MB stick is faster then having two 256MB sticks.....and so on and so forth. In the same sense, two sticks of 512MB is going to be slightly faster then four sticks of 256MB. It's not like you're actually going to be able to NOTICE the difference when you're using the comp.....but the numbers will be there.

Again, I hope it works out for ya.....

/crosses fingers

[mrflushysheaven]

cool man thanks i think i'll try and take my chances picking up another 2x256 and try the mushkin. if it clocks well i might sell all my sticks and get 2x512 of mushkin bh-6 or the ocz EB stuff.

[Cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by mrflushysheaven
cool man thanks i think i'll try and take my chances picking up another 2x256 and try the mushkin. if it clocks well i might sell all my sticks and get 2x512 of mushkin bh-6 or the ocz EB stuff.

Yeah, be sure to let us know how it goes.

[althes]

good luck