Desktop Dothan mobo Out?

[Djuice]

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/20040515/etc_pd41pm.html

If in Japanese tho... But if its available soon and if some overclockers can get there hands on one and the Dothan 2.0Ghz, will we see some spectacular scores here..

[Troopah]

OMG I'd love to see Macci, Tom or w00tevah gets his hands on a dothan 2.0 and a suitable desktop board... wouldnt you agree?
i'd :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:in paid billions for this chip n' a board :D

[Kanavit]

omg , freakin awesome. Is that an Mini-ITX board?

[saaya]

400$ :(

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Kanavit
omg , freakin awesome. Is that an Mini-ITX board?

nope, it's mATX

Sounds pretty awesome, if it is low power and quiet might get one for a lan rig :)

[charlie]

who makes it??

[Djuice]

from what i can gather its made by PFU a subsidary of Fujitsu

[Kanavit]

why is the processor socket black and leverless?

[Slickthellama]

black cuz it looks cull. And it isnt leverless, it's just hard to see.

[Minnyboy]

There is no lever for the CPU socket...

If you're familiar with laptop mobos, you'd notice the screw at the top of the socket...

Just a flathead screwdriver, slip the CPU in & turn it clockwise a quarter-turn & she's tight as....

I wouldn't mind one of these either...

Cheers,
Minnyboy

[WildKard]

and then I would have to go through the hassle of mounting the prommy on it to get it to 2.6 ghz doo doo doo :)

[saaya]

only 2.6? they reached 2.4 with medium air cooling , and that oc was still limited by the chipset!

i say intel had an a64 killer in their hands all the time but were too stupid to release it. it will hurt the P4 sells bla bla, we told everybody mhz matters now we cant do a u-turn bla bla :rolleyes:

release the desktop pentium-m already!

[althes]

This will get interetsing.

[Boyne7]

i wanna see what u people can do with one of these.

[IvanAndreevich]

saaya
>>i say intel had an a64 killer in their hands all the time but were too stupid to release it

You sure? I think Pentium M < Athlon 64 right now.

[Flox]

I think at same clocks, Dothan and A64 are quite comparable. But Dothan has low FSB and Membus bandwidths compared to A64.

What, if you gave Dothan a suitable desktop environment (FSB800, DC-DDR400-Mem)??

Greetz, Flox

[IvanAndreevich]

Flox
Considering that Athlon 64/FX will be getting DDR500 / HT 1000 Mhz support in a couple of weeks, I'd still A64 is at an advantage. Obviously when 64 bit applications are released, there is more ownage from AMD side.

However, I like the Dothan chip. If only it cost $100 and fit in my Socket A :banana:

[Flox]

Originally posted by IvanAndreevich
Flox
Considering that Athlon 64/FX will be getting DDR500 / HT 1000 Mhz support in a couple of weeks, I'd still A64 is at an advantage. Obviously when 64 bit applications are released, there is more ownage from AMD side.

However, I like the Dothan chip. If only it cost $100 and fit in my Socket A :banana:

Well...the advantage of the increased HTr-Speeds will have to be shown and second question: are there any official DDR500-A64-Boards in the nearer future?

Additionally, a desktop Dothan with appropriate bus-speeds would gain 100% more FSB-bandwidth and even more memory-bandwidth. So no real advantage for A64 in my eyes.

And according to the benchmarks of x386-secrets Dothan is already on par with A64 (some benches faster, some slower).

Greetz, Flox

[Kanavit]

i still prefer netburst and hyperthreading... although Dothan offers a low power heat dissapation alternative to the P4. but i still love GHz, and soon the Prescott will be coming out with 1066fsb and 2mb L2 cache. that is something i look forward to playing with.

[IvanAndreevich]

Flox
A desktop dual-core Dothan is gonna be up against a K9 not long after it debuits. K9 will OWN it... K9 is 2x faster than K8 @ same clock speed :banana: (hopefully)

Kanavit
We all know that you Ghz and care about nothing but Ghz :D

[Peen]

Originally posted by IvanAndreevich
Flox
A desktop dual-core Dothan is gonna be up against a K9 not long after it debuits. K9 will OWN it... K9 is 2x faster than K8 @ same clock speed :banana: (hopefully)

Kanavit
We all know that you Ghz and care about nothing but Ghz :D

how do you know how K9 will be? or maybe just the AMD fanboy thats in you?

[boshi]

looks nice

[IvanAndreevich]

Peen
Nope - I read it somewhere (a discussion on a Russian forum). I HATE fanboyism. I am a fan of neither AMD or ATi which I own. I would buy Intel and nVidia if they were better price/performance.

[Flox]

Originally posted by IvanAndreevich
Flox
A desktop dual-core Dothan is gonna be up against a K9 not long after it debuits. K9 will OWN it... K9 is 2x faster than K8 @ same clock speed :banana: (hopefully)

Both statements are just predictions...Dothan being an almost equal competition to A64 in a unfavourable FSB/Memory-infrastructure is a fact.

Greetz, Flox

[macci]

You sure? I think Pentium M < Athlon 64 right now.
I think that the x86 secret review (http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/cpu/dothan/dothan-5.htm) showed that a (laptop) Dothan running at 2GHz/100MHzFSB/single channel was equal if not faster than a 2.0GHz A64-FX..
The power consumption of this Dothan chip @2GHz was like 21W too ;)

[fragsta]

This sounds promising, can't wait to see how these cpu will perform in a real desktop environment.

[PetNorth]

Originally posted by macci
I think that the x86 secret review (http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/cpu/dothan/dothan-5.htm) showed that a (laptop) Dothan running at 2GHz/100MHzFSB/single channel was equal if not faster than a 2.0GHz A64-FX..

...if this review would be reliable... I don't know if it is in overall. But I know for example this benchi isn't:

http://www.x86-secret.com/pics/cpu/dothan/bench3-2.png

This benchi is simply impossible...

[boshi]

at least now people will be able to benchmark the dothan without having to use an integrated radeon 9000, 400MHz front side bus, and PC2100 SODIMMS...

[IvanAndreevich]

Flox
You guys are forgetting about 64 bits. It's coming real soon.

macci
Well, that's what I mean. If Dothan was running @ 800 FSB with DC, it would've been exceptional. However, we don't have that option. S939 with DC DDR500 should help A64 break away.. Also, you surely noticed the price of that 2 Ghz chip - not cheap.

I think H2 2005 is when we will see dual core Dothan chips on the desktop. K9 is really close there... Some people whose opinion I really value called K8 a "Willamette" compared to K9.

PetNorth
HT is why P4EE pwns here.

boshi
Whatever will happen to the 400 Mhz FSB? I believe those tests were with PC2700.

[Kanavit]

under 32-bit environment, the Dothan is better than A64. it remains to be seen what 64-bits can do yet. they are other ways to make 32-bits run faster as well. especially if software is coded for SSE2, sse3 which is btw 128-bit registers.

[IvanAndreevich]

...SSE3, which Dothan, by the way, doesn't support?

>>under 32-bit environment, the Dothan is better than A64
Nicely argumented..

[PetNorth]

Ivan, yeah but it is impossible because P4 3,4 has HT too, and well, you can see the bench result... in no case a P4EE 3,4 wins to a P4C 3,4 by a 30% margin... really, in Cinema render (for example look at Cinebench 2003 CPU bench) both CPUs have very similar perfomance.

[IvanAndreevich]

PetNorth
My apologies - I didn't notice the amount of lead the EE has over the regular P4C. Can you find another source with the same benchmark?

[PetNorth]

Yes, for example, this (Sudhian Media page):

http://images.sudhian.com/review/cpu/intel/Prescott/C2K32CPU.JPG

Cinebench 2003 is the official Cinema 4D benchmark, developed by Maxon (developer of Cinema 4D, too). Well, you can see P4EE 3,2 and P4C 3,2 have similar perfomance (in this case, more is better. "Dual CPU rendering" means with HT enabled). There are a lot of examples like this in many hardware webs with the same result.

[IvanAndreevich]

Hmm.. PetNorth, maybe we should write to them and ask that question?