help buying a 5900xt ( looks at alt-f13 :D )

[r3b0rN]

I found an xpertvision (palit) 5900xt for $257, which is actually a really good price for a 5900xt over here :D (cheapest 9800 pro - $360) so i want to know what memory it has? eg - hynix 2.8ns ??? i cant find a review on this card and id really like to know. also, owners of this xpertvision card, if you want to post your results, thatd be appreciated...

Regards,

James.

[Geforce4ti4200]

you can buy a 9800 pro for less than that fx5900xt on ebay and have it shipped to you. the 9800 pro is sooooooooooo much better than that puny fx card :)

[r3b0rN]

alright ill have a look at international ebay tonight, see if i can find 1 at a good price that will ship overseas, this just seems a little easier, i can get it delivered to a post office 500 metres away from me, free delivery, if its armed with good memory ill probably get it (2.8ns or better)

[interman]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
you can buy a 9800 pro for less than that fx5900xt on ebay and have it shipped to you. the 9800 pro is sooooooooooo much better than that puny fx card :)

maybe in 3dmark it is, but not in actual games.

[Geforce4ti4200]

no, in everything. the 9800 pro pulls ahead even more with aa/af and in dx9 games. the dx9 on the fx cards are very crappy so are the shaders. the 6800's are much improved over the fx's shortcommings. I would avoid any fx card like the plague, if you must go nvidia, get a 6800 or if you want to be cheap, a ti4x00. I would avoid anything from ati that isnt at least 8 pipes and 256 bit ram(avoid all se cards too) My friend owns a fx5900 and overclocked it can hardly run farcry at 1024x768 medium details with 2x aa/af and the iq sucks compared to another guys 9800 pro that runs 1024x768 8x aa/af with all details to max and still gets better fps than the fx5900. In fact the 9600xt is only slightly slower than the fx5900 that speaks alot. I wouldnt pay much past ti4600 money for a fx5900 and a radeon 9700 NON pro would be a much better choice for tomorrows shader intensive dx9 games. If anyone disagrees, explain logically why.....

[Kunaak]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
My friend owns a fx5900 and overclocked it can hardly run farcry at 1024x768 medium details with 2x aa/af and the iq sucks compared to another guys 9800 pro that runs 1024x768 8x aa/af with all details to max and still gets better fps than the fx5900. In fact the 9600xt is only slightly slower than the fx5900 that speaks alot.

do you ever overclock or do you just make stuff up all the time?

a 9600XT isn't even close to a 5900 even at default speeds.
the 5900 is barely slower then the NU by about -500-700 points depending on the driver.

theres barely a R9600XT thats broken 20K, yet almost 28K been broke with the 5900 XT, and 27,166 by me personally on the 5900 NU.

I've also owned and benchmarked the R9600XT, which I found to be a piece of junk, and as I said to Mr.Icee, they are barely more powerful then a Ti4200 but can't OC as well.

I've owned about 9 5900's over the last 6 months, and believe me I play games alot just like any other person.
I know what the card can do.
it does AA and AF just fine.

true, the R9800 pro is a better card overall, but damn listening to you talk, I always wonder if you ever overclock or do you just say things like "OMG macci broke 10K" all the time??

[Geforce4ti4200]

I would be dumb not to know that even a ti4200 owns any 9600 pro/xt in 3dmark 2001, but what about dx9, shader intensive games? I remember seeing a benchmark of a couple games where the 9600xt was only 10% behind the fx5900 with aa/af and 1024x768 res. the fx5900 takes much more performance hit using aa/af and running dx9 and ps 2.0 also causes the fx cards to take more of a hit than ati's radeons. It all depends how you play your games. also hes talking of a fx5900xt which is clocked even lower than the vanilla fx5900. I am too tired to find proof that the 9600xt is close to a fx5900 with aa/af and ps 2.0

[RandomDude]

The only benchmark/game you can find where 9600xt beats 5900 is probably HL2...

There is no way in hell 9600xt can beat a 5900xt, it's like arguing if the 9600xt is faster than a 9700...

[DarkManX_BG]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
another guys 9800 pro that runs 1024x768 8x aa/af with all details to max and still gets better fps than the fx5900. :eek:
Sure, there's 8x FSAA on ATi cards... and even more, Far Cry runs fine with 8xFSAA and full blown details... yeah, right:rolleyes:

[interman]

here are a few gifs from the review i did of an albatron 5900xt a while ago

http://www.hwhell.com/gallery/albums/userpics/albatron_5900xt_review/normal_ut2003.gif
http://www.hwhell.com/gallery/albums/userpics/albatron_5900xt_review/normal_quake3.gif
http://www.hwhell.com/gallery/albums/userpics/albatron_5900xt_review/normal_halo.gif

oh, and it was perfectly playable in farcry

unfortunately i didnt have 9800 pro results for that comparison, but you get the idea

[r3b0rN]

thanks for that, it looks like a great card, but i would like to know what memory this xpertvision one has... seeing as ive never heard anything about this manufacturer before and its rather cheap, i dont think it would be to good.

[Crankster]

if you dont like Geforce4ti4200 use the ignore button :)
no need to flame like that.
saaya


The card itself is damn good value, and i daresay that it's a LOT closer to a 9800 XT than it is to a raddy 9600 XT.

[bigZ]

Originally posted by interman
here are a few gifs from the review i did of an albatron 5900xt a while ago

http://www.hwhell.com/gallery/albums/userpics/albatron_5900xt_review/normal_ut2003.gif
http://www.hwhell.com/gallery/albums/userpics/albatron_5900xt_review/normal_quake3.gif
http://www.hwhell.com/gallery/albums/userpics/albatron_5900xt_review/normal_halo.gif

oh, and it was perfectly playable in farcry

unfortunately i didnt have 9800 pro results for that comparison, but you get the idea

more to back this up: I've just reviewed the Gainward 1100XT Ultra/ Golden Sample and the MSI 5900XT

http://bit-tech.net/review/317

the gainward gives the 9800XT a run for it's money in quite a few games, and at the price, you can't really fault the card.

[bias_hjorth]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
no, in everything. the 9800 pro pulls ahead even more with aa/af and in dx9 games. the dx9 on the fx cards are very crappy so are the shaders. the 6800's are much improved over the fx's shortcommings. I would avoid any fx card like the plague, if you must go nvidia, get a 6800 or if you want to be cheap, a ti4x00. I would avoid anything from ati that isnt at least 8 pipes and 256 bit ram(avoid all se cards too) My friend owns a fx5900 and overclocked it can hardly run farcry at 1024x768 medium details with 2x aa/af and the iq sucks compared to another guys 9800 pro that runs 1024x768 8x aa/af with all details to max and still gets better fps than the fx5900. In fact the 9600xt is only slightly slower than the fx5900 that speaks alot. I wouldnt pay much past ti4600 money for a fx5900 and a radeon 9700 NON pro would be a much better choice for tomorrows shader intensive dx9 games. If anyone disagrees, explain logically why.....

that´s the biggest pile of BS i´ve ever heard.. Why all these speculations. Either your friend is the biggest nOOb or you´d just talking rubbish.. the 5900xt is much faster than the 9600xt.. seach the forum and you´ll find simba ;) btw. about dissing the 9600xt.. plz keep in mind that you own a ti4200.. their on par even with the 9600xt pulling away in some games.. ;)

[DrJay]

if you must go nvidia, get a 6800 or if you want to be cheap, a ti4x00.

Now, who would be the one person on these forums to talk about how cr@ppy the fx5900 is and yet reccomend a ti4200,......I wonder???

[Bra!nFreeZe^]

Tobias I actually wanted to send you the url to this tread considering your...ehh lets call it opinion about Geforce4ti4200, but I see that you already found it ;)

But Geforce4ti4200, I think that you have to move along and maybe start doing some benching yourself, instead of judging everybody else, and as your probably(HOPEFULLY!!!) have noticed, you are starting to get on peoples nerves!

And the FX5900XT is a great card! im currently #6 on orb for that card scoring 22K and I have yet to encounter any games that wont run properly on that card so considering the price and performance, I would say go for iT :)

[naelq]

hi there,
personally i have an ALBATRON FX5900XT 128MB, very good card, though i didn't OC it yet, but it does ~15K in 3DMARK01 @ stock, along with a 2.8GHz P4 "C" & IS7! ;)
but to tell the truth, you can't compare it to my other ATI RADEON 9800PRO 128MB, ( it's R360 :D ) :rolleyes:

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by naelq
hi there,
personally i have an ALBATRON FX5900XT 128MB, very good card, though i didn't OC it yet, but it does ~15K in 3DMARK01 @ stock, along with a 2.8GHz P4 "C" & IS7! ;)
Not an optimal bench either. I am sure there is a lot left in that as 15k is just too low. My 5900 was only ~1k marks behind my 9800XT in the same system. Clocks were 545/985 vs 470/800.

System was a 2.4 @ 280 (3360) 5:4 2-3-2-5 on a P4P800

http://home.neb.rr.com/soulburner/NV%20vs%20ATI.jpg

[kommando]

R3b0rn i thought you were getting latest Ati card a month after it was released here in australia?

Meh changed your mind :p

Have you emailed the retailer to see if they know the exact specs of the card?

[sandman]

ROFL, the 5900Xt crushes a 9600XT. I've never had a 9600, because they are a POS to be blunt.

I had a 5900XT for like 4months, the second best card I've ever had.

[IvanAndreevich]

Kunaak
I have to agree with ti4200 about Far Cry. I was building a system for someone I know (not for games) and I recommended a 5900XT for him. It's for professional OpenGL, so it was a good choice.

I played Far Cry on it o/c to 450/850. Slower than 9800PRO stock - visible by naked eye. The quality was crappy as well.

[Kunaak]

while I definatly disagree with GFti4200 here, I staed my comment poorly and I apologize for how I acted.
reading my post today, and being fully awake I am alittle embarassed about that post.

but I said what I wanted to say, minus the disrespectful mannor.

I've had the FX5900 NU for about 6 months, about 9 of them in all, including the FX5900 that Sandman here owned.
I've also played both versions of the Far Cry demo and had little to no problem playing that game.

I do use a FX51 so that may be what makes the card so good.
but, saying a 9600 XT is a better card still just reaks of ignorance to me.
in truth it annoys me to read posts about speculation, from a person that speaks with so little experience.

had this comment come from say Charlie, I would have been more curious to hear why, cause I know charlie, he talks about stuff he's used personally.
as do most overclockers, except when it comes to the absolute latest hardware.
but still, I should not have said what I said earlier to GFti4200 here as I did. I could have stated my point alot better then I did, but being tired I guess I wasn't thinking all too well.
as you can see, I am alittle embarassed reading my earlier post....

[SPQQKY]

Even I am getting tired of GeForce4Ti4200's BS. There is no comparison between the cards. I have a Leadtek 5900XT with 2.2ns Hynix and I flashed it to the 5950U BIOS and it runs flawlessly. My games are so smooth and I usually use higher resolution with lower aa/af settings. The IQ is much better that way.

[Kunaak]

leadtek Xt's have 2.2 NS ram??

thats one hell of a find indeed.
those would flash to a 5950 flawlessly, and can be had in the $150 ish range.

nice :D

[sandman]

Really though even with the 2.8NS ram that is usually Samsung, they still overclock well.

I had my 5900XT @ like 535/850 or something like that, and it played games aswell as my 9800np @ 450/330. While I know those 9800 clocks are fairly bad, it had infinion 3.0ns ram on it. But, I was still getting 20K in 3dmark with it.

[IvanAndreevich]

Kunaak
I also disagree that the 9600XT is a better card then 5900LX. However, I must say that 9800PRO _is_ :)

I wouldn't be suprised if in HL2 9600XT beats 5900LX in some places. However, OVERALL 5900LX is a much better card.

>>I've also played both versions of the Far Cry demo and had little to no problem playing that game.

I am curious - have you had the chance to play it on R9800? I, for one, wasn't able to get AF working in Far Cry on 5900. However, at the same time I couldn't get AA working before 4.4 Cats came out on the 9800PRO.

[zakelwe]

Thats a nice overclock on the Gainward XT1100 BigZ got, wonder whether it was 2.8 or 2.5ns, did not Alt F13 say that some cards are going out with 2.5ns as they can make more of that than 2.8.. was that Samsung or Hynix though, not sure, Alk 13 will let us know no doubt.

The 9600Xt has the problem once again that it is a 4x1 configuration so for some games the 5700U will be better but for shaders it beats that and approaches the 5900XT speed.

I do take the point on the 9600XT about the shaders, but I still think it is more weedy. The 9800Pro is another matter though.

How about waiting for the 6800 value edition r3bOrN , or would that still be too expensive ?

Regards

Andy

[Geforce4ti4200]

I have nothing more to say, you are just flaming me and acting immature. I will step away from this while I am ahead and not stoop to your level. Get whatever card you want, its your money and choice. I would never touch a fx card myself, my friend has one and its iq sucks compared to a 9800 pro. also its slow in shader intensive games and will do badly in tommorows shader intensive games compared to even a 9700. the fx does fine in todays games cause they dont use much shaders. If I offended anyone, I apologise. I do my best to have manners and courtesty and debate rationally without flaming. I am allowed to debate even if I may be wrong.

[r3b0rN]

zakelwe the 6800 value edition would still be to expensive, in a year i plan on buying my first car and i want my birthday money to go towards that :D ill email the shop today, see if they know what memory it has on it, although i doubt they will. anyways if i can restrain myself any longer ill wait for the 6800's and x800's to come out in aus and see how 9800 pro prices are. as for you geforce, you've told us your going to be using ur ti 4200 to run hl2... 'nuf said.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I can always upgrade and it will not be nvidia for sure, id take a 9800 pro if any when and if I want to upgrade

[kommando]

Mmmm R3b0rn is the type of person in my opinion who wants the best at the time and stick with it for a while. THen while he's gaming and benching he saves and buys another 1337 card.

All exception for your lovely toddilling around with a mx440 and fx 5200.

[r3b0rN]

LOL :D

[ALT-F13]

reborn
I recommend not to buy Xpertvision/Palit card - it is build on palit's own design, so you'll need to find voltmods yourself (if you plan to do them, of course). Actually except Palit you can choose any brand - just check for Hynix RAm on it, not samsung.

zakelwe
5900XT can be found with 2.8ns Samsung (worst case, no chance to go over 800MHz), 2.8 ns Hynix (800-1000 MHz o/c 'cos some chips are remarked 2.5/2.2 ns but it is the matter of luck), 2.5 Hynix (i personally saw Gainward, MSI and Leadtek, o/c up to 900MHz - normal for 2.5 ns) and 2.2 ns Hynix (some Galaxy Zeus and InsideTNC cards - never saw them, but there are pics on the net).

[r3b0rN]

thx for ur help alt-f13, i wont be getting the palit then, i might wait to look at prices again after the release of the 6800's and x800's or maybe get a slightly more expensive 5900xt now, if i got 1 with 2.5 hynix id be quite happy.

what do u know about the albatron 5900 xt? come with hynix 2.8 or better?

[interman]

my albatron 5900xt came with hynix. dont remember if it was 2.8 or what though

[r3b0rN]

'welp i ordered the palit (xpertvision) fx 5900 xt 128mb, the second cheapest brand was albatron, an extra $40, didnt really wanna' spend that much so i got this 1 :D 1 guy flashed it to leadtek's 5950u bios and it didnt work properly, but the clocks got up to 500/950, sounds awesome... ive also seen with the original bios it reaching 450/800, 100% stable for long sessions of gaming... anyways ill give you guys the results on this card, getting it by tomorrow afternoon.

[Geforce4ti4200]

good luck and enjoy ;) was that a $250 card? well let us know the 3dmark scores for it. either way would be a huge step from your fx5200 ;)

[Crankster]

The warm fuzzy feeling inside, new hardware

[r3b0rN]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
good luck and enjoy ;) was that a $250 card? well let us know the 3dmark scores for it. either way would be a huge step from your fx5200 ;) thx :D yeah it was $265 including delivery... cheapest raddy 9800pro i can get is $365, not including delivery, an hours drive away... i dont wanna spend that much lol. ovcourse ill keep u guys posted with my 3dmark results :)

Originally posted by Crankster
The warm fuzzy feeling inside, new hardware indeed :D

[zakelwe]

Good luck with the new card ! :)

Got to agree , getting a car is more important than a superduper video card at the moment , you can't have groping sessions in the back of a video card after all can you ? ;)

The Xt will be a nice boost.

Regards

Andy

[r3b0rN]

Originally posted by zakelwe
Got to agree , getting a car is more important than a superduper video card at the moment , you can't have groping sessions in the back of a video card after all can you ? ;)

Regards

Andy LOL :D

[kommando]

Oh bloody James, tell me before your decision i wanna be 1337 and know before all the 1337 people.

Soz in some i smoke **** mood.

Ooopps i didn't say that.

[hrhrhrfoot]

this gives me new hope about the 5900se i am gonna buy today. Thank you to everyone in this thread.

[blinky]

Originally posted by kommando
Oh bloody James, tell me before your decision i wanna be 1337 and know before all the 1337 people.

Soz in some i smoke **** mood.

Ooopps i didn't say that. pass it over here man
:D

[texuspete00]

Originally posted by hrhrhrfoot
this gives me new hope about the 5900se i am gonna buy today. Thank you to everyone in this thread.

ASk an expert but im not sure the SE is in the same league... get the card they are talking about... 5900XT.

[hrhrhrfoot]

Actually, se is close to the same thing. I remember, the se is clocked 400/700 while the xt is clocked 390/700, making the se a tad better.

[HaLDoL]

My xt is a point of view one and has hynix 2.5ns memory.
Max oc was 650/1050 aircooled.

[r3b0rN]

wow... no mods? also, how cold was the environment.

[Zeus]

Originally posted by HaLDoL
My xt is a point of view one and has hynix 2.5ns memory.
Max oc was 650/1050 aircooled.

You lucky you.... mine has 2.2ns Hynix but no way in h3ll it will do over 1Gig, not even with a voltmod. :(

Still, it pulled me 25K :D

[Jethro]

anyone that thinks a fx5900 sux is a noob. its a perfectly good card and fun to mod ta boot. Ive had 9600pro modded to 500/340 and it had no where near the horsepower of the 5900. Not even close! Also had 9500 mod to 9700 and it was a dam good card for the money indeed. Having tried both I love my 5900 card, especially with how well it does in doom3 and i hope it will do in tribes vengence.

In doom3 my modded fx5900 is getting 84.4 fps in the timedemo @ 1024x768 at medium settings. With the latest drivers the image quality can actually be tuned to be alot better than ATI cards by turning off Tri and Aniso optimizations (albeit slower im sure).

This is THE thread if you want to maximize your 5900 card experience. 5900 bios modding thread @ NVnews (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=395430#post395430)

u will find bios modding pertaining to voltages, latencies, throttling and clockspeeds. The latencies alone gave me a good deal more fillrate! Now the latency mod was derived from the xt mem timings so u may not see as much of a boost but at least u can bump your gpu volts up etc.

After all the mods mine gets 6598 3dmark03 so its not to bad. My 2k score seems really low at just over 17k tho. Either way all my games play and look fantastic so what more could yah need :)

[Zeus]

Originally posted by Jethro
anyone that thinks a fx5900 sux is a noob.

I think this depends on to wich card you compare it. ;)

Am i a noob?

[Jethro]

bah, u know what i mean. /me wonders why my 3dmark2k is so low with a 5900nu and a 2.73 barton>? what sys did u hit 25000 on?

[Zeus]

The system in my sig, aircooled.