A64 vs. P4 ? what should i take ?

[S&M]

hello there !

my current rig is in my sig - rig 1.

as u can see - i have a p4 2.8 at 3.4 ghz , 1gb bh5, 9800xt ...

now i am thinking of A64 rig -

some things to take in mind - can't buy no prommies here - so i am all on air - so this will limit my oc ability ...

and might be a problem - vmods to mobo - for vdimm and other stuff - kinda a prob. for me - two clumsy hands .....

now - will a a64 3200/3400 air cooled oc will be better than my rig ?

and if i switch to a64 - is there a point in holding bh5 for a64 setup ?

thank u !

[CrashOv3r1De]

I say there is a point to switch to A64. On air you will clock up to 2.35~2.5ghz which will rival a P4C @ 4ghz

Yes you do need some bh-5 ram

[pkrew]

At 2.5 the A64 rivals a p4 at 4G. At 2.35 that would be a different story, but any of those speeds would beat out the machine you have atm and I'd keep the bh-5

[S&M]

o.k - i am aiming for 2.4ghz - what cpu should i take ?

3200 or 3400 ?

and is it possible with air cooling ? i will buy the best out there thats for sure ...

[IvanAndreevich]

Of course it's possible! I say why upgrade now when you wait a few months and go Socket 939 style? :)

[pkrew]

The 3200+ I have ran widows fine at 2.45 using 1.7v and the stock cooler. I didn't test stability and just stuck in under an LS. Better cooling and a few more volts and who knows. You may gain a little with the 3400+, but its luck of the draw. Its nice to have the 11 multi on the 3400 though

[S&M]

socket 939 is too far for me ....

as for 3400 - shouldnt i look for 3200 for multi 10 - so i can run 240X10 ?

oh, and 2.4ghz equals to p4 at ?

and , another question - which mobo from the nf3 250 out so far is the best ?

[LilGator]

Probably the Gigabyte, since it's so similar to the K8N...

[IvanAndreevich]

O/C wise, NF250 is the best. @ stock, I believe K8T800PRO should be better. It actually might overclock as good as the nforce.

[S&M]

who's more "OC FRIENDLY " ?

[pkrew]

The only K8T800pro board that I know that's out is from Abit and at the moment it doesn't have agp or pci locks. You'd have a hard time ocing without at least an agp lock. Of the two NF250 boards that are on the market, I'd go for the gigabyte.

[S&M]

ah - i wasnt clear - when i said out - i ment - out for reviews -

so we have - epox, msi, gigabyte and chaintec ....

i am not buying this week so i guess it'll be a week or two before i purchase and perhaps new stuff will be out ....

[LikwidKool]

I had a P4 3.2C running at 3.8ghz and my A64 at 2.5ghz beats it hands down! Glad I picked one up. S939, Bah!

[Kanavit]

hmm, if you get a A64 , u will be ditching 2 important key features.

1. hyperthreading
2. dual channel capabilities

to me, still very important technologies. a P4 with HT can run Halo faster while digital encoding at the same time.

i think the only real upgrade worth it, for AMD is the FX-53. everything else , and your just wasting time.

[S&M]

most of the time i am just playing games - running 3dmark from time to time to show off ... ( here in israel my pc is one of the top 5 .... )

so ht is not such a big hit for me i guess ...

and video encoding is not my hobbie ....

so for games, games and some more games - wouldnt it be better to get a a64 ?

[Troopah]

I think you should stick with your P4 atm untill S939 releases.
Sure A64 beats P4 but its not worth upgrading atm

[Rancidelephant]

tbh you wouldnt gain *much* from an upgrade.

the difference will be minimal compred to the expense.

[IvanAndreevich]

Kanavit
>>1. hyperthreading
>>2. dual channel capabilities

1. He said he isn't into video encoding or stuff like that. This doesn't help @ all in games.
2. Look at performance. Who cares if P4 has double the bandwidth of A64? It's still slower.

[lalPOOO]

Originally posted by Kanavit
hmm, if you get a A64 , u will be ditching 2 important key features.

1. hyperthreading
2. dual channel capabilities

to me, still very important technologies. a P4 with HT can run Halo faster while digital encoding at the same time.

i think the only real upgrade worth it, for AMD is the FX-53. everything else , and your just wasting time.


1. Have you used a processor with hyperthreading? it doesn't make a big difference.
2. Dual channel doesn't really matter if the a64 is still faster. Unless the words dual channel make you feel special you might as well go a64.

I personally wouldn't bother upgrading from your p4 to an a64, I'd just buy an x800xt or something and wait till socket 939, but I guess its your money.

[Kanavit]

Dual channel increases memory bandwidth. Hyperthreading, increases performance with multi-threaded software and multi-tasking. This was specifically designed for the P4 netburst architecture. Because of it's long stage pipeline.

The A64 doesn't need it , because it has higher IPC. Unless, Windows 64-bit XP is officially released, i wouldn't bother upgrading yet. save $$$ for vcard.

even my 2.8b with no HT is no slouch in games. check out the scores in my sig. i can play FarCry ,NWN , Halo, and Madden 2004 fine no probs.

[lalPOOO]

What does memory bandwidth do for you? If the a64 rig is faster then why do you care about 'dual channel' and 'memory bandwidth' You don't seem to be speaking from experience on the matter of hyperthreading, because if you'd used it you'd know its not really a big deal.

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by lalPOOO
What does memory bandwidth do for you? If the a64 rig is faster then why do you care about 'dual channel' and 'memory bandwidth' You don't seem to be speaking from experience on the matter of hyperthreading, because if you'd used it you'd know its not really a big deal. Dual channel is worth 1fps in Aquamark3, and about 5 sec in Super_PI for me. i think the point is that , the A64 doesn not warrant a good upgrade reason from a P4 2.8C that S&M currently using now. even for gaming.

[Peen]

actually i couldnt live without HT about a few months ago. i had a private Aegis ragnarok server, and it just plain sucked on my 2.4ghz XP.

On my 3.4ghz P4 with HT it made it smooth as silk! then if i tured HT off it was much much slower server

[IvanAndreevich]

Kanavit
>>Dual channel is worth 1fps in Aquamark3, and about 5 sec in Super_PI for me.
In other words, in gaming (Aquamark) it's NOT NOTICEABLE even on a P4.
>>the A64 doesn not warrant a good upgrade reason from a P4 2.8C that S&M currently using now
I think so as well. I'd upgrade the video first.

Peen
Was that the chip that died?

[S&M]

If u r asking yourself - and i saw u did - this question came up only after someone made me a good offer on my p4 .
I wasnt going to sell it for the next 3-4 months, but then a friend came - saw the pc and made me a good offer for him .... - so i came here to see what u think !

[IvanAndreevich]

S&M
Let's speak prices then. How much will it cost for you to upgrade to 3200+ or 3400+ / nForce 3 250?

[Peen]

Originally posted by IvanAndreevich
Kanavit
>>Dual channel is worth 1fps in Aquamark3, and about 5 sec in Super_PI for me.
In other words, in gaming (Aquamark) it's NOT NOTICEABLE even on a P4.
>>the A64 doesn not warrant a good upgrade reason from a P4 2.8C that S&M currently using now
I think so as well. I'd upgrade the video first.

Peen
Was that the chip that died?

the 2.4C? ya that would be the one that died. Having IHS off and always switching stuff killed the core :( atleast thats how i think it died lol

[Kalway]

Already been said time and time again.

A64 pwns the P4 in most games.

Unless you're going to run an assload of things at once or are running a server you have no need for HT, unless a really important application is optimized for it. Dual channel only matters if the CPU makes efficient use of it. The p4 is an inefficient CPU, so it needs an assload of bandwidth to make room for its mistakes.

Basically, if you wanna drop $300-$400 on an A64 setup go for it. It'll get ya a slight increase.

[Shane5578]

from what people are saying the p4 is crap at games. lol

it can play them just fine, the a64 is only 1 or 2 fps faster!!

don't think you'll notice any difference in real life. except in benchmarks.

but you will notice HT because you can play games and encode at the same time.

it makes everything smoother.

one time i was running 2 prime95's and watching tv via tvcard while logging and browsing the net. WITHOUT HT i couldn't browse websites anymore! the tv was lagging also when it was dialling the modem wtf! primes were on lag mania. lol

[yuri]

Originally posted by Kanavit
Dual channel increases memory bandwidth. Hyperthreading, increases performance with multi-threaded software and multi-tasking. This was specifically designed for the P4 netburst architecture. Because of it's long stage pipeline.

The A64 doesn't need it , because it has higher IPC. Unless, Windows 64-bit XP is officially released, i wouldn't bother upgrading yet. save $$$ for vcard.

even my 2.8b with no HT is no slouch in games. check out the scores in my sig. i can play FarCry ,NWN , Halo, and Madden 2004 fine no probs.

So you think dual channel ddr for a p4 can touch a 1600mhz bus on the A64's ?

HyperTransport™ technology for high speed I/O communication
One 16-bit link up to 1600MHz
Up to 6.4GB/s HyperTransport™ I/O bandwidth
Up to 9.6GB/s total delivered processor-to-system bandwidth

[yuri]

Originally posted by Shane5578
from what people are saying the p4 is crap at games. lol

it can play them just fine, the a64 is only 1 or 2 fps faster!!



try up to 30% faster in some games ;)

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by yuri
So you think dual channel ddr for a p4 can touch a 1600mhz bus on the A64's ? yes. the P4s score higher in Sandra 2004 memory bandwidth w/ DC, only less to the A64 FX-51/53.
the A64 doesnt' actually have 1600mhz fsb speed. its got 200fsb , just quad pumped like the P4 and uses hypertransport which simulates 1600mhz effective speed.

[Shane5578]

i did a little test on how fast data is transfered in ramdisk.

basically the a64 was much slower. only the athlonFX beat out the pentium (btw it was a 3ghz p4 at 200fsb).

if you want i can show you how to run the test. i'll be surprised if an OCed a64 can beat my 3ghz p4 at stock. lol

[pkrew]

Hey Yuri,

Why don't you just show us your best unbuffered Sandra score.

[yuri]

How about i post something worth looking at instead of bs sandra runs lol.

http://24.158.154.102/images/1m29sec.jpg

http://24.158.154.102/images/42.52secs%20FX53.jpg

[pkrew]

Nice score, but doesn't show us anything about your memory bandwith

[yuri]

Originally posted by pkrew
Nice score, but doesn't show us anything about your memory bandwith

I know, im running raptor HD's and if i made some high fsb runs im sure i'd lose my os. id be glad to run some stock runs tho.

[pkrew]

Sure, Sandra unbuffered though. Does you board have agp locks and have you tried a separate sata controller

[yuri]

Originally posted by pkrew
Sure, Sandra unbuffered though. Does you board have agp locks and have you tried a separate sata controller

Sandra is unable to show the true bandwidth of a64 cpu's tho. the FX can have up to 100% more HT bandwidth than a p4ee

http://24.158.154.102/images/fxp4ee.jpg

And my board doesn't have any locks atm.

[pkrew]

That will definately slow down your HT.

[yuri]

Originally posted by pkrew
That will definately slow down your HT.

Yeah, if your into benching sandra a p4 might be the best cpu for you then. Im off to do what a FX does best (far cry) ;)

btw jasons just got his FX53, here is his vmodded / dryice.
http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techmobocpu&Number=3842592&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1&dbid=1

[S&M]

so far - from what i see here -

if i am into sandra benching - p4 will be better ....
if i am into games - amd 64 will own the p4 ....

am i right ?

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by S&M
so far - from what i see here -

if i am into sandra benching - p4 will be better ....
if i am into games - amd 64 will own the p4 ....

am i right ? @ stock compare between an A64 3200+(2.ghz) vs P4 3.2C, the difference is minimal. the A64 will beat the P4 in Serious slam, Unreal, UT2k4, TRAOD, by up to 30%. The P4 would win in Quake III based games: RTCW, COD, JK2, JK3, OPen GL.

i would also remind u, ur eyes will not be able to determine fps higher than 200fps visually.

so if the athlon 64 is 30% faster 230fps, the P4 is 200fps. it will be very hard to tell. people tell me your eyes can only see up to 60 fps visually maximum.

[Primal]

I think you should spend your money on A nice X800XT PE.
;)

[yuri]

Originally posted by Kanavit
@ stock compare between an A64 3200+(2.ghz) vs P4 3.2C, the difference is minimal. the A64 will beat the P4 in Serious slam, Unreal, UT2k4, TRAOD, by up to 30%. The P4 would win in Quake III based games: RTCW, COD, JK2, JK3, OPen GL.

i would also remind u, ur eyes will not be able to determine fps higher than 200fps visually.

so if the athlon 64 is 30% faster 230fps, the P4 is 200fps. it will be very hard to tell. people tell me your eyes can only see up to 60 fps visually maximum.

Maybe so, but 30% is hugh on more cpu demanding games

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/athlon64-3400/ut.png

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/athlon64-3400/3dmark01.png

[CrashOv3r1De]

Id go for it. All of you "I am waiting for sckt 939" please do not impose your views on this guy.

From a P4C @ 3.4ghz you will feel a difference in games for sure. 3dmark runs will be higher too.

[CrashOv3r1De]

Id go for it. All of you "I am waiting for sckt 939" please do not impose your views on this guy.

From a P4C @ 3.4ghz you will feel a difference in games for sure. 3dmark runs will be higher too.

[WesM63]

Originally posted by S&M
so far - from what i see here -

if i am into sandra benching - p4 will be better ....
if i am into games - amd 64 will own the p4 ....

am i right ?

Correct, I see you play alot of games, A64 all the way baby!

[charlie]

The problem is, there is always a "next gen" coming out....maybe I don't want to buy 939, because just a few months later AMD releases .09nM San Diego Core at like 3.2ghz... it's always like that!
C

[WesM63]

Charlie,
Very true, and at the rate I buy stuff, I don't wait around. Its whatever is best for my money at the time. ;)

[yuri]

Originally posted by WesM63
Charlie,
Very true, and at the rate I buy stuff, I don't wait around. Its whatever is best for my money at the time. ;)

ditto,i kinda wanted to wait for the s939 but i had the money and i kinda like the idea of running 1gig of ram without the normal A64 problems they where having. so far this rig is the most stable rig i have owned. and thats saying alot coming off a 3.0c / ic7-g 6 months ago ;)

[pkrew]

So true, there's always something better down the road. You could spend the rest of your life waiting for the next big upgrade and end up with a ti-4200

[WesM63]

Originally posted by pkrew
So true, there's always something better down the road. You could spend the rest of your life waiting for the next big upgrade and end up with a ti-4200

lmao.... glad i'm not the only person that thinks this way :D

[IvanAndreevich]

Kanavit
>>so if the athlon 64 is 30% faster 230fps, the P4 is 200fps. it will be very hard to tell. people tell me your eyes can only see up to 60 fps visually maximum.

ROFL. 200*1.3 = 260, not 230. :banana: I think we more examples here. If P4 is @ 50 FPS, A64 is @ 65 FPS. For the same price - WHY IN HELL would pick the first choice :stick:

>>i would also remind u, ur eyes will not be able to determine fps higher than 200fps visually
Good point. Would his eyes be able to tell the difference is such a useFULL application as Sandra?

So I never really got it - why are you such a fanboy?

S&M
For games - definetely A64 > P4. Even XE in most cases.

[Orian]

Wait for Socket 939.

[CrashOv3r1De]

Originally posted by Orian
Wait for Socket 939.

OMG wow how many people are going to say that stupid sentence over and over again.

You people can wait all your life but dont make others wait if they dont want to. Its his choice. I remember people were waiting for the prescotts..that sentence says it all LOL:stick:

[bigjohns97]

Originally posted by Orian
Wait for Socket 939.

[Orian]

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
OMG wow how many people are going to say that stupid sentence over and over again.

You people can wait all your life but dont make others wait if they dont want to. Its his choice. I remember people were waiting for the prescotts..that sentence says it all LOL:stick:

Who is making anyone wait? He asked for options, I gave mine. Simple.

[Peen]

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
OMG wow how many people are going to say that stupid sentence over and over again.

You people can wait all your life but dont make others wait if they dont want to. Its his choice. I remember people were waiting for the prescotts..that sentence says it all LOL:stick:
i agree, that sentence is getting old as hell

[computerpro3]

Originally posted by yuri
try up to 30% faster in some games ;)

not than my p4;)

[yuri]

Originally posted by computerpro3
not than my p4;)

Comparing overclocked :) A64's can overclock also :p:

[computerpro3]

Yeah but unless you stick an a64 under a prommie theres no way its 30% faster than my p4. 5% maybe, not 30%


but seriously....
the average a64 overclocked will beat the average p4 overclocked. Thats a fact. Well, unless you're talking about the 3.4ghz EE average overclock.....

You're system is plenty fast now however, and you won't see THAT much of an increase (unless you go fx-53, in which case you should get a p4 extreme edition since you alr) IF I were you, since you already have bh-5, I would invest in the x800xt and a pc power and cooling 510 deluxe. This will future proof you for socket 939 or the new Intel offering. Whichever way you go, all you'll have to do is buy a new mobo and cpu. Thats what I would do.

[yuri]

Originally posted by computerpro3
Yeah but unless you stick an a64 under a prommie theres no way its 30% faster than my p4. 5% maybe, not 30%



When i posted that i was talking about stock performance. Overclocked the A64 on the same cooling will beat a p4 even worse because they scale better.

for example, your p4c has a 25% overclock in your sig. a A643000+ with a 25% overclock will beat the p4 in about every game test you run on the 2 systems.

[LikwidKool]

hey I agree with not waiting. Am I the only one that get's board here, and wants to play with something new? I had a few different P4 combo's this past year, and when my tax refund came I decided it was time to play with A64. Boredom gone. Now when S939 comes I might not buy right away, but will pick up a MB and cpu after a month or so.

[computerpro3]

Originally posted by yuri
When i posted that i was talking about stock performance. Overclocked the A64 on the same cooling will beat a p4 even worse because they scale better.

for example, your p4c has a 25% overclock in your sig. a A643000+ with a 25% overclock will beat the p4 in about every game test you run on the 2 systems.

No it won't. Not the a64300. First of all, the a64 3000+ only has 512kb cache, not 1mb like the better versions. Second, a 25% overclock is only 2500mhz. 2500mhz on a fx-53 would probably beat it, but not a 3000. Of course when you compare my chip and the fx-53 its kinda like comparing a corvette to a ferrari...both nice but ferrari is 3 times the price while only marginally faster (except the enzo, which is a lot more than 3 times the price and a LOT faster lol)

Third....on my chip, a 25% overclock is a lot easier to get with the new revisions (sl6wu especially) than with an a64 3000.
That comes from the architecture of the two chips. P4 scale to higher speeds easier.

Fourth...the a64 fx 53, while it would beat my chip, would not beat it by a ton, and is 3 times the price. If you have the cash, no question, look at the fx-53 or the p4EE.

Now that we have both said what we think, I think it would be interesting to do a performance comparison between the two. Does anyone have a a64 3000 that hits 2.5ghz and a 9800/9700 pro? we could run a few benchmarks to see which one is truly faster....

[kromosto]

i %100 prefer a64

[JNav89GT]

Well for one I don't think most people will get 4ghz out of a watercooled P4 3.0c, and that's my opinion off of 3 recent P4 3.0C's that under my prommy wouldn't do 4ghz stable 24/7. I think you got a cherry cpu there. Sure some new ones are getting 4ghz on air even, but that's a lucky fluke. If we were to play averages I'd say 3.8ghz on water is about average for a 3.0C. And from my older A64's(newer ones are better from what I hear) I'd say about 2.4 is average on air, and 2.5 water and 2.6-2.8ghz is average on phase.

Now my best P4 3.0C score on my Epox 4PCA3+ at 5:4 ram cas2 2:2:6 timings totally unoptimized OS, DX9 and current Catalysts with 9800XT(at 450/400) was like 23k or so. This was at 4.1ghz or so. Now I know nerfing settings, optimizing os, raping the card to artifacting edge of stability can produce alot better scores. But my machines actually play games sometimes so I have to load current drivers and DX9, oh and this was on phase change btw. bench stable not 24/7

My A64 3200+, shuttle board, vmodded running at 240fsb ie 2400mhz aircooled at 1.8v, 3.2v vdimm Mushkin PC3500 at 1:1 cas2 2:2:6 timings with a 9700pro at 375/350 gets like 23,400 3dmarks. If I put my 9800Xt in there I'd expect about 3k more marks. Unoptimized OS, dx9, current drivers etc.... Stable vid card clocks and both aircooled vid cards.

[computerpro3]

somethings not right there....there shouldn't be a 4K difference between them with the same video card.....Especially at 4.1ghz to 2.4ghz.....somethings wrong with your p4 system or you got a mobo + cpu on steriods. Was your p4's ram in 1/1 ratio?

Also my friend just got a sl6wk 3.0C and he was at 3.8ghz stock cooling 1.6v prime stable and now with my old thermalright solution hes 3.9ghz 1.7v prime stable. with watercooling and 1.725v I think he would be at 4ghz.

[JNav89GT]

unoptimized OS, 5:4 ratio on the P4
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7305116
now this was about 6 mos ago, but the newer P4's didn't clock any higher than this. But mine weren't the same stepping as the one you list. But overall I'd say that the average P4 oc is not going to be 3.8ghz+ on air.


A64 running 22K with 9700pro guess I didn't save the 23+k run :(
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7592047

[computerpro3]

Originally posted by JNav89GT
unoptimized OS, 5:4 ratio on the P4
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7305116
now this was about 6 mos ago, but the newer P4's didn't clock any higher than this. But mine weren't the same stepping as the one you list. But overall I'd say that the average P4 oc is not going to be 3.8ghz+ on air.


A64 running 22K with 9700pro guess I didn't save the 23+k run :(
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7592047

ARe you sure you aren't confusing the runs? Because your a64 run is EXACTLY in line with what I would expect, and my 3.0C. Your a64 outperforms my 3.0C enough to make up for the small clock speed difference between our video cards. You beat me by mere percentage points in the CPU tests (and if my damn chip would bench at 4015mhz every time instead of alternating speeds it would have been equal or closer), i beat you by percentage points in the video card dependent benches, and you beat me soundly in the memory bandwith benchmarks due to the onboard memory controller (and the fact that I wasn't at 1/1 divider for this run). Exactly what I would expect. Pretty damn even.

And don't forget, this benchmark favors AMD silicon. In 3dmark03, which I don't have, Intel is favored. I would beat you there. I bet you beat me in superpi, but I bet I beat you in Sandra. See, the performance of these two CPU's are so close that it comes down to the application. Thats certainly not 30%. Add Hyperthreading to the mix and I will stay with Intel, because I multitask a lot. Thats just me. AMD may be better suited to some people, but the performance is very close when overclocked. There is NOT a 30% difference.


PS Since the A64 3200 hardly outperforms a 4ghz p4, I think that proves my point that an a64 3000 with half the cache would be beaten soundly. Feel free to prove me otherwise.

[JNav89GT]

well to be honest, My P4 rig I don't really bench anymore b/c it doesn't really interest me. I sold the epox board and only have an IS7 now with vdimm mod and run a 5900 flashed to 5950 in it and it's a pitiful scoring machine in benching. I only get like 16 or 18k in 3dmarks w/vid card oc's depending on LOD. That is with a 2.4C at 3.4ghz tho and ram at 5:4 at cas2 2:3:6

I know though I did get a 23,400 or 23,500 score b/c I remember thinking wow, I just beat my P4 score with an A64 and 9700Pro.

[yuri]

Originally posted by computerpro3
PS Since the A64 3200 hardly outperforms a 4ghz p4, I think that proves my point that an a64 3000 with half the cache would be beaten soundly. Feel free to prove me otherwise.

post a compare with your 4ghz p4c , ill provide the a643000+ ;)

edit : 24394 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7551978

this is a a64 3000+ not running sync , 25k would be fairly easy for someone running sync.

http://24.158.154.102/images/37sec243fsb.jpg

http://24.158.154.102/images/50.25secs.jpg

[computerpro3]

Originally posted by yuri
post a compare with your 4ghz p4c , ill provide the a643000+ ;)

edit : 24394 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7551978

this is a a64 3000+ not running sync , 25k would be fairly easy for someone running sync.

how about one with the same video card at the same clocks at 2400-2500mhz like we were talking about;)

:rolleyes:



I hate when someone gives evidence like that...its akin to:

Hey, my 1.4ghz p3 with an x800xt @ 700/550 is faster than your 2ghz a64 and geforce mx! Obviously the p4 is the faster CPU!!!!!

:rolleyes:

[computerpro3]

37 seconds is easy lemme find a screenshot. ill be back in a min


got one of 36 seconds at 3.9ghz....lemme upload it

[yuri]

then post some super pi's,

[pkrew]

Well, I have both these cpus. I have a 3.0 that's stable at 3.9G on air and a A64. The 3.0C wouldn't be worth putting under phase change or water. Even at 4.2 I'd be slower than 3.9 as I would have to run 5/4. At 263 1/1 I had about a 60 point advantage over a A64 running 2.7G in 3d03. AT 265 1/1 I was 500 points less in 2001se than a A64 at 2.5G. Spi at 265 was 34s, a well setup A64 at 2.5 should hit 33s. The best Sandra score I've ever gotten was on a 2.8mo at 271 1/1. It was 4000 unbuffered. At 280 1/1 I get around 4000 buffered on the A64. I'm not too worried about the Sandra score.

To be honest, I'm not sure why I keep the P4C's. I suppose that when you have a couple of nice oc chips you just like to hang onto them, but both reached their max really on air. The only possibe excepton would be the 2.8.

Also you should be comparing yourself to a A64 on water as that's what you're using.

[computerpro3]

pwnt. At 100mhz less than max no less. and with the 5/4 ratio. I'm not doubting that the a64 3000 is a great cpu, but its not until the 3200+ level that they can really hang with and surpass the high end p4's.

And pkrew, these results are on air. Therlamright sp-94 with panaflo l1a. So its a level playing field.

I can pull 35 or 34sec (it varies for some reason) no problem at 4ghz but that screenshot is on the machine right now and it has no memory. I can promise you a 35 or 34sec second screenie when I get my memory though.

[yuri]

pwned ? look at the speed of that 3000+ screen shot. and the memory isn't snyc either. give me a sec and ill post a A643000+ at what we needed to compare. 2500mhz 1:1

[computerpro3]

Yes, owned. That bench was just like the a64 you posted. the cpu's were both asynchronous, on air, about the same speed mhz under what we talked about. Equal playing field. You ratchet up your mhz and slap your memory to 1/1 ratio, when I get my memory in I'll do the same.

If you can pull 34sec I will be truly impressed. I didn't think it was possible on air with an a64 3000+. Congrats.

Still though, keep in mind that superpi is number crunching which means amd cpu's are better at it than Intel cpus. I can't post anymore screenshots of superpi until i get some more memory (computers don't work very well without memory lol) unless you want one of my websurfing machine (2.26ghz p4 :D) so I guess you win for now. But I'll be back.

:toast: to ridiculously fast cpu's:toast:


PS I just realized something....you have an a64 fx-53 and an a64 3000+? Hot damn dude:slobber:

[yuri]

Originally posted by computerpro3
Yes, owned. That bench was just like the a64 you posted. the cpu's were both asynchronous, on air, about the same speed mhz under what we talked about. Equal playing field. You ratchet up your mhz and slap your memory to 1/1 ratio, when I get my memory in I'll do the same.

If you can pull 34sec I will be truly impressed. I didn't think it was possible on air with an a64 3000+. Congrats.

Still though, keep in mind that superpi is number crunching which means amd cpu's are better at it than Intel cpus. I can't post anymore screenshots of superpi until i get some more memory (computers don't work very well without memory lol) unless you want one of my websurfing machine (2.26ghz p4 :D) so I guess you win for now. But I'll be back.

:toast: to ridiculously fast cpu's:toast:


PS I just realized something....you have an a64 fx-53 and an a64 3000+? Hot damn dude:slobber:

:) those where old benches.

here are some newer ones

http://24.158.154.102/images/32secs.jpg

http://24.158.154.102/images/1m29sec.jpg

[computerpro3]

nice scores but I am curious about the a64 3000+

obviously those two cpu's will kick my p4's ass but I really don't think the 3000+ can keep up.

What cooling were those on btw?

can I have one?:banana: :banana: :banana:

[yuri]

Originally posted by computerpro3
nice scores but I am curious about the a64 3000+

obviously those two cpu's will kick my p4's ass but I really don't think the 3000+ can keep up.

What cooling were those on btw?

can I have one?:banana: :banana: :banana:

on the 3400 and fx53, just plain jane mach 1 cooling

[computerpro3]

I wonder what my chip would do in a prommie:slobber: It likes the cold...when the windows was open in the winter and an ambient temp of 0C I had 4150mhz in windows:D

totally unstable though....suicide attempt with 1.8v BIOS, 1.86v mbm5. I believe mbm5 too because the droop mod makes the board overvolt. The chips still fine though!

[pkrew]

read above, it wouldn't touch either

[computerpro3]

did I say it would?

However now that you bring it up;)

jk

One guy here somewhere got 4500mhz out of a mach1 though with an identical chip to mine. That must have been pretty damn fast.

[pkrew]

That would be an exceptional chip. No telling what you would do under phase change, but even with that you'd still be slower depending on the benchmark. You'd loose in 2001se, maybe pull even with a A64 at 2.8 on spi. You'd probably have an advantage in 3d03, but I'm not sure how much

[yuri]

Originally posted by pkrew
That would be an exceptional chip. No telling what you would do under phase change, but even with that you'd still be slower depending on the benchmark. You'd loose in 2001se, maybe pull even with a A64 at 2.8 on spi. You'd probably have an advantage in 3d03, but I'm not sure how much

Yeah, p4's always seem to do better at 3dmark03

[pkrew]

Yeah, the do seem to. I did run some pfast at 2.8G and check out that data base. At that speed I'm .38s quicker than a P4C at 4.525G, 44.41s. I'll have to play with it some more.