Possible way to mod a Radeon X800Pro to X800XT with the full 16 pipelines...

[LilGator]

http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unika.com.c n%2Farticle%2Farticle.php%2F1034&lp=zh_en

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12443&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20&sid=1e5b6b7f14d1f89819e699daefeeeb2b

http://news.mydrivers.com/pages/images/20040514214735_69910.jpg

Those traces are xtremely small, but this may be a possibility...

In the pic the black boxed points are Pro, the white box is XT...

[IvanAndreevich]

Interesting. Those seem like bridges on AMD CPUs... Should be no problem to connect 'em.

[LilGator]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20040514100050.html

Xbit tried and failed... but give it time, and someone might find a proper way to do this...

[charlie]

There has to be an ATI enginner laughing his FAO, like "idiots.... it's right in front of them, snicker. Try Harder"

C

[blinky]

Originally posted by charlie
There has to be an ATI enginner laughing his FAO, like "idiots.... it's right in front of them, snicker. Try Harder"

C i cant beleive that not one ATi engineer posts on any hardware or video card forums. if thats their job wouldnt they be interested in the hardware, and possible in OCing

if not we should recruit someone, lol

[Geforce4ti4200]

so far no way has been found to enable the pipes. whether there is one remains to be seen and if one is found, high odds that the mod will result in checkerboards due to the disabled pipe being defective anyway

[enzoR]

people are jumping right away to certain traces being cut. how about the bios. maybe trace + bios?

[Kunaak]

I love the enginuity of overclockers.
they say it can't be done, so we spend hours trying to do it ;)

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by enzoR
people are jumping right away to certain traces being cut. how about the bios. maybe trace + bios?
They did both...

[saaya]

i dont think ati is stupid enough to let us enable extra pipes that easily again. they have a cross license with intel so they could easily keep the info about active and deactivated pipes in a flash cell inside the gpu like intel does with locking its cpus...

to me it looks like they are die locked like the newer xps.

would be glad to see somebody proving me wrong though :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

so the traces on the surface of the chip is but the lock for the "front" door while theres also a "back" door lock, but one that would be very hard to unlock and both must be unlocked?

[craig588]

I studied the high quality pics at xbit, and was wondering what would happen if you just filled the entire hole that has been put on the pro PCB with conductive paint?

There is probabably more than just the surface traces cut, but if the hole was filled it would recconent all of them. (though also connect the different layers to each other, which probably would be the death of a card)

[Confused_User]

9500np all over again :D

(i hope)

[blinky]

whats interesting is that they say that flashing the pro with the XT bios gave them an improvement in clock speed, this maybe just a byproduct of slightly raised voltages, but if its not then it might be useful for benching

[althes]

this is getting interesting, lets see what happens

[craig588]

Originally posted by blinky
whats interesting is that they say that flashing the pro with the XT bios gave them an improvement in clock speed, this maybe just a byproduct of slightly raised voltages, but if its not then it might be useful for benching

I think they just ment the difference in speed between the stock pro and stock XT speeds.

[scrible88]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
so far no way has been found to enable the pipes. whether there is one remains to be seen and if one is found, high odds that the mod will result in checkerboards due to the disabled pipe being defective anyway

Are you an ati engineer? No. :rolleyes:

Pipes being defective? Maybe but doubtful. Where did you get this info has anyone proved this?

I think they are just locked. Period.

[LilGator]

True, I think they are locked so they can sell them as Pro boards, not because they have to sell them as Pro's...

[Crankster]

The savings possible with only minor changes between the two of course has ATI jumping up and dawn in a frenzied manner.

[Kanavit]

i think ATI got really smart this time. the pipes are there, it's just locked or disabled kinda like intel did with hyperthreading on some P4 models.

[scrible88]

Originally posted by Kanavit
i think ATI got really smart this time. the pipes are there, it's just locked or disabled kinda like intel did with hyperthreading on some P4 models.

Yep, now we need to find out how to enable all 256 pipes on the Geforce 6800 to turn it into a Geforce 9999999999999999

ATI just got PWN3D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMFAO!!!!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[hrhrhrfoot]

Originally posted by craig588
I think they just ment the difference in speed between the stock pro and stock XT speeds.

Thinking the exact same thing. Think it will work?

[LilGator]

Originally posted by scrible88
Yep, now we need to find out how to enable all 256 pipes on the Geforce 6800 to turn it into a Geforce 9999999999999999

ATI just got PWN3D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMFAO!!!!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

You have a serious problem, dude.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by scrible88
Are you an ati engineer? No. :rolleyes:

Pipes being defective? Maybe but doubtful. Where did you get this info has anyone proved this?

I think they are just locked. Period.
Its a fact that when a chip-maker makes a chip that doesn't perform to their expectations, it gets down-graded, often times by disabling certain features. This is similar to "binning"...a good example would be the P4EE.

If you can still sell it as a working chip you should, it would be very expensive to trash ALL of the defects.

[LilGator]

True, but this early into the release of these chips, and ATi hasn't even released XT's yet, I'm sure they are probably taking fully working XTs, and taking out 4 pipes. Probably in the future things will work out to the point where they will be binned because of defects, but who knows...

[DaveX]

Originally posted by scrible88
Yep, now we need to find out how to enable all 256 pipes on the Geforce 6800 to turn it into a Geforce 9999999999999999

ATI just got PWN3D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMFAO!!!!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

...:rolleyes:

It would suck ass if ATI hard-locks their gpu's like Intel and AMD do with their cpu's. At least there's some good news in the XT BIOS helping oc'ing. I wonder why?

[Geforce4ti4200]

why has no one mentioned anything about the 6800nu and modding it to 16 pipes, not like nvidia cant mod either?

[jfr0]

No one has gotten one yet.

[scrible88]

Originally posted by LilGator
True, but this early into the release of these chips, and ATi hasn't even released XT's yet, I'm sure they are probably taking fully working XTs, and taking out 4 pipes. Probably in the future things will work out to the point where they will be binned because of defects, but who knows...

Oh I know they can have defects, this was what I was thinking

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
why has no one mentioned anything about the 6800nu and modding it to 16 pipes, not like nvidia cant mod either?
Show me where you can buy one?

[Mini]

Why would it be hard for ATI to lock their pipes like AMD and Intel do with their Multiplier and the EE??? Shouldnt be that hard...

But why the hell is it no1 can open it??? I bet that Intel engineers can do it in 25 seconds?

[althes]

any intel engineeers here

[Tedinde]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
why has no one mentioned anything about the 6800nu and modding it to 16 pipes, not like nvidia cant mod either?

No one has mentioned it because this is a thread about ATI cards. You should start a Nvidia thread Geforce4ti4200.

I used both intel and AMD, And ATI, Nvidia, and SIS cards.

You should open your mind a little Geforce4ti4200, you can still keep your name if you use another card.

Nvidia is great and so is ATI. If someone figures this out after blowing up a few cards, They will a hero in my book!!!

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Mini
Why would it be hard for ATI to lock their pipes like AMD and Intel do with their Multiplier and the EE??? Shouldnt be that hard...

But why the hell is it no1 can open it??? I bet that Intel engineers can do it in 25 seconds?
I think the multipliers available have to be engineered into the chip when it is created, and cannot be changed afterwards.

[saaya]

im sure they can, but you need the appropiate tools and you need to know what buttons to push on that tool :D

[TodB]

Originally posted by LilGator
True, but this early into the release of these chips, and ATi hasn't even released XT's yet, I'm sure they are probably taking fully working XTs, and taking out 4 pipes. Probably in the future things will work out to the point where they will be binned because of defects, but who knows...

Or it's more like "Damn, we're producing TOO much defective cores.... let's now start with the X800Pros and refine the technology and then, after a month or so we'll start with the mass production of the X800XTs..."

[morbidj]

Originally posted by jfr0
No one has gotten one yet.

What about that guy Ronnin over at cluboc supposedly he has the 6800U?

[jfr0]

Morbidj my man. I think he has a GT no need to unlock pipes.

[morbidj]

My fault, must of not been as observent as I do some times claim. lol , BTW lucky Tart I say we jump him and take his card. :p:

[Terran]

Regardless of anything, ATI are a bunch of wasters anyway.

[Tilmitt]

Welcome to the sickness, Terran!

[Terran]

Well you dragged me in here. This place could do with a suicide nVidia fan like myself though. So I feel right at home.