Another "hidden R360 core" ???

[charlie]

Here's a Sapphire 9800 Pro, 128mB DDR... 256 bit
Looks like a 9800XT PCB, but can't see the memory chips, Samsung GC2A maybe? Or the smaller 16mB Hynix like XT (32mB)
R360 Core?????? Decent Memory??
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-362&depa=1

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[Jrocket]

Well Im not sure about those, but I found a sapphire 9800 pro aiw that uses samsung chips. This picture is from http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/9800-aiw.html.

[Jrocket]

BTW the 9800 pro atlantis also has samsung, same with 9600xt but some of the 9800 pros do not.

[CrimeDog]

i don't think there's a point anymore. can get a x800 for 50% more money and get 100% more performance

[Sovereignty]

Originally posted by Jrocket
Well Im not sure about those, but I found a sapphire 9800 pro aiw that uses samsung chips. This picture is from http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/9800-aiw.html.

Samsung chips marked 2A are 2.86ns, which is what the original 9800pros had before hynix. That's just an old one. My old 9700np and my current 9800pro both had those exact same chips.

[Speed_Mechanic]

Hynix 28 and Samsung 2A memory perform just about the same. They are both 128Mbit GDDR rated at 350MHz. If anything, the newer the memory the increased liklihood of it yielding better. And Sapphire has been using Hynix memory as of late.

[EnJoY]

My Sapphire 9800 Pro has Hynix. I bought it about a month ago off the egg for cheap. It oc's quite well, check my sig. No ramsinks or anything btw.

[prizm77]

Enjoy, I got my Sapphire 9800 pro around the same time, they seem to OC the same

the 451/392 is just my benching speeds, normally I run it at 440/375

[charlie]

Sooo...........

Is THIS a r360 core????

And the reason I don't just get a x800 for THIS rig is THAT this is 24/7 desktop rig and $200 VC = Much better price than $399 VC. Now for my BENCHING rig, x800 is appropriate.

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[Formann]

Originally posted by charlie
Sooo...........

Is THIS a r360 core????

And the reason I don't just get a x800 for THIS rig is THAT this is 24/7 desktop rig and $200 VC = Much better price than $399 VC. Now for my BENCHING rig, x800 is appropriate.

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Since its XT PCB, I can imagine the core beeing anything but R360. I´d buy it.

XT in desktop rig? Nice.. im only using a 9800np in my dekstop rig. Watercooled and Overclocked of course. :D

[saaya]

some manufacturers use the 9800pro pcb for their 9800se cards, so the pcb alone doesnt prove anything, but id also guess its a r360 core.

[hallowen]

charlie,

That picture you are showing from Newegg IS a 9800XT PCB w/256M Ram!

I bought my Sapphire 9800pro/256 REFURB($229.50) from Newegg and flashed the bios to an ATI 9800XT.

It has the R360 Core and the HYNIX 2.5 Ram.

Had it running at 500/405 with a MCWM50-T with a 172 Watt Pelt in place of the 80 Watt.

Since the PCB IS a 9800XT, all the "OVERDRIVE" and Temp features are Enabled after flashing the BIOS.:D

[althes]

thats a nice deal.

[LilGator]

So they are advertising a 256MB XT as a 128MB Pro ?

[charlie]

I dunno'. The pic looks like the xt pcb, but they SAY it has 128mB DDR, NOT DDRII. This MAY BE an in-between card, a 9800XT core and pcb with the 9800 Pro memory?? Maybe? Dunno'

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[saaya]

hmmm try it out :D

there are also 256mb cards with ddr-1 afaik...
they would never disable half of the memory, memory makes up the biggest part of the card after the pcb...

i guess ati is having great yields (they also say so in public) with their r360 cores, so they probably sell them cheap... so its easier for the oems to buy a big load of r360 instead of some r360 and some r350 cores (maybe ati is even out of stock of r350)

its def worth a try, and you can always return it , cant you?

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by saaya
(maybe ati is even out of stock of r350)

;)...

Originally posted by Sovereignty
Samsung chips marked 2A are 2.86ns, which is what the original 9800pros had before hynix. That's just an old one. My old 9700np and my current 9800pro both had those exact same chips.

Samsung has two 2A 2.8ns chips...the 8E's which is what they have and the Original RA's

The RA's was last produced in Sept. 03...and by Oct. of 03...they started using the 8E's...which do not OC as well as the RA's...

Also, the R360 cores do no OC as well as the older R350 cores...

As for the 128 Pro's using the R360 cores and the XT PCB...those are not very good OCers...

If you dont want to go with a X800...then return the 128 if possible and check out the 256 with DDR2 and using the XT PCB...those are real XT's just using a flashed Pro BIOS...these are the only cards that the Pro to XT mod actually works on...after the flash you would have a TRUE XT...

But it HAS to be a 256MB, 256 bit DDR2 (hynix) Pro using the XT PCB....like hallowen has...they do make the 256MB 256bit Pro that uses DDR but still uses the XT PCB...these will NOT work when flashing to a XT...

And Hallowen...you should be able to push that card more...on my none v modded pro...air cooled, no ram sinks...I can run 505/423...so with your setup you should beable to push that card a lot more then mine...

[hallowen]

glock19owner

I haven't really pushed this card yet, just letting it burn in a little! :D

In the process of building My Phase Change Cascade for the CPU, and after that, I'll build a direct die for the GPU.

I'll try it again after I Mod it and put in under Deep Freeze.:thumbsup:

[glock19owner]

there you go...let that baby fry...I mean fly http://home.insightbb.com/~myglock19/Tomcat.gif

[charlie]

Hmmmmmm..........
I'm just looking for a good VC for my DESKTOP/INTERNET/WEB CREATION/PHOTO EDITING/GAMING rig. I don't WANT to spend $400 on a x800pro for THIS rig. I'll have top end VC's for my BENCHING rig! But I hate putting expensive bleeding-edge stuff in there. The OEM Sapphire 9800 Pro is $175 fron Newegg refurb, the above Sapphire with 9800 pcb is $188 from Newegg refurb. Can you think of ANY better VC for <$200?????????????

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[IamAnoobieCheez]

if you're worrying about cost so much why don't you get a GeForce4 Ti4200? Pretty good handling games like UT2003 or the like. It's way under $200.

Ati R350 core overclocks just as good or in many cases, overclocks much better than the R360 core so why not get a r350 core? memory oc's shouldn't be that huge of difference between the two.

[charlie]

I like to play stuff like BF1942, BF-V, COD, FC and the like.... will ti 4200 handle all those??

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[STEvil]

LOL

[charlie]

guess not :)

[IamAnoobieCheez]

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[Speed_Mechanic]

How about a $150 PowerColor 256-bit memory 9800SE and do a rain dance that it doesn't have problematic pipelines?

[a5h]

get the 9800pro ...its currently half the price i got mine ...when it just came out. (399 EUROSS!!!! ...calculate that to US)

[Godmyster]

wish i had a r360 :( where can i get some good prices onde some graphic cards in the US to order online to Portugal?

[sky]

Originally posted by charlie
I dunno'. The pic looks like the xt pcb, but they SAY it has 128mB DDR, NOT DDRII. This MAY BE an in-between card, a 9800XT core and pcb with the 9800 Pro memory?? Maybe? Dunno'

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see my thread on 9800pro's here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=367329#post367329). in this very first post you'll see a 256mb sapphire 9800 pro. - that whole topic is about the 256 mb pros -> xt.

see this picture below has my 9800 pro 256 mb with xt pcb and with a r360 chip and 2.5ns hynix rams in the top left, below that is a 9800 pro 128 mb that i got a week after that xt :D. both cards are sapphires. and both have r360 cores, just that the 128 mb card wouldn't even get to xt-speeds.

http://www.abi02.de/deepblue2k2/hardware/559%20-%20graka%20collection%2001.jpg

unless they started using the cooler design and the pcb-layout of the 256 mb card on the 128 mb card your picture shows a 256 mb card - no matter what the description says.

just my :2cents:

/edit
and notice that the mem on that 256 mb is actually ddr 1 - clearly identifyable by its markings. so when they sapphire says these cards are use 256 mb ddr2 memory, they are bull :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:ting you. i've taken the markings of my chips down and went to search around the web - the manufacturers page said it was 2.5ns ddr 1 ram...

[naelq]

hi there,
if you still interested, i've bought my built by ATI RADEON 9800PRO 128MB last month, it has the R360 core & the SAMSUNG GC2A chips. i'm not sure if this one can be flashed with the XT BIOS, & i still didn't try to OC yet!