Nvidia fights back.

[Kunaak]

ok, theres a 6850 they are working on soon, and a special very limited edition of the 6800 with some insane clock speeds that 99% of PC gamers will never see...

but what about the worst criticism on the 6800 ultra?
the 480 watt PSU need...

well aparantly, Nvidia is doing something about it.
I guess....

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/10/news_6096837.html

[Bra!nFreeZe^]

How come I cant see the news and only the frames around the news ?

[Bra!nFreeZe^]

Ohhh double click :P (doh!)

[lalPOOO]

I like how they answered that last one.
Q: "What kind of specs do I need for the psu if its a 350w"
A: "Robust"
Desired answer: "at least 6amps on the 12v rail, and at least 3amps one the 3.3v rail" (not real numbers..)

[Kanavit]

the 6800 ultra can run on 1 molex, it just won't be stable during 3d gaming and overclocking. you will need two dedicated lines for stability. My Antec 430 watt true power should be sufficient. I can't wait.

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by Kanavit
the 6800 ultra can run on 1 molex, it just won't be stable during 3d gaming and overclocking. you will need two dedicated lines for stability. My Antec 430 watt true power should be sufficient. I can't wait.

My guess is that at stock speeds 3dgaming will also be alright.

You ned a good 12v rail for the card that is all, so my trucontrol 550w is going to love powering mine up .

Regards

Andy

[Semper Fi]

This is kind of rediculous. If ATI can pull off the power needs for the x800 why can't nVidia do the same for its own card?

[Djuice]

Becoz Nvidia are power hungry bastards!

[zakelwe]

Ati are using a low K process which helps and also has 160million transistors rather than 220 million.

Regards

Andy

[***Deimos***]

Originally posted by Semper Fi
This is kind of rediculous. If ATI can pull off the power needs for the x800 why can't nVidia do the same for its own card?

they can.
only confused people in forumns say they cant.
both ATI and nVidia use a lot of power (>90W max according to tomshardware), but nVidia made recommendation for large PS as insurance against people who buy cheap PS. Now they say requirement of 350W is OK. Some reviewers had used 350W and it was fine. And yes 220M transistors do consume more power than 160M.

[texuspete00]

When I read initial reviews I pretty much said to myself the same things they are saying. WIth all the POS power supplies out there they are covering their ass. Maybe its because I'm just sitting here with 'only' a true power 430w, but I figured pffft!

[HKY]

Our measurement in 3Dmark were that the current needed for 12V is less than 5A and for 5V is about 3A. The current needed actually flunctuated with work load.

If your motherboard uses the +5V rail for CPU (e.g. Most older AMD boards) then you can probably get by with a 350W PSU with a strong +5V rail.

[Geforce4ti4200]

the steep power consumption, 2 molexes and requirements have put many people off buying nvidia. I see tons more x800s being sold

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
the steep power consumption, 2 molexes and requirements have put many people off buying nvidia.
Did you read any of the comments in the thread?

[Kunaak]

doesn't look like it...

[Geforce4ti4200]

yes there will be a 6850 comming. god I wonder what the heat that would put off LOL

[Djuice]

Heat, what heat? With dual cascade cooling there is no heat... Only frozen products.

[Geforce4ti4200]

how many people can afford dual casades? most people buy and dont even bother changing the cooling, some dont even overclock. the x800 is smaller, lighter, cooler and uses 1 molex what more do you want

[Djuice]

something that can play my game without creating a firestorm within my case..

[zakelwe]

The X800 uses less watts and is smaller true GF4 4200ti, it is like a nippy sports car compared to the big bruiser V8 that is the 5800U ..both have their merits and people will take their choice I guess.

Actually the X800 runs hotter and how light a card is really shouldn't come into it unless you are going to LAN's and have the physique of Olive Oil.

I'm getting the Gainward CoolFX 6800U so the watercooling will be interesting to play about with. I will probably adapt it so it runs sub zero screenwash fluid, should be robust enough for games rather than just benching I hope.

Regards

Andy

[texuspete00]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
how many people can afford dual casades? most people buy and dont even bother changing the cooling, some dont even overclock. the x800 is smaller, lighter, cooler and uses 1 molex what more do you want

PS 3.0 :p:

I know I know.... no big deal. BUT. I am going to buy this gen down the road and want it to last. You can appreciate that GF. :D My 9700 has treated me well and it was the last big bump. These will be the basis for even next years refreshes.

In the end the point is when I buy it mature drivers will be out and so will overclocking results. I am going to buy the one that performs better, OC'ing considered, period. If the Nvidia runs a wee bit hotter and runs on more power, I think I have the means to take care of both! If the 6800U, thats the one. Even with my 'wimpy' 430w truepower. We dont all have cascades but many of us do have water, or put cpu sinks on, and it's safe to say we dont have deer PSUs that are going to explode. I wouldnt be surprised if you ran a few fans or other nick knacks on the power lines if you go ahead and give up the two.

The GT probably be not a bad OCers choice either when yields improve... mod the rails! Save up and buy something GForce! I like the radeon too, but I want them to offer a 16 piper outside of the flagship and check it out. They will too because nV has good cards this time around. Its true ;)

[***Deimos***]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
how many people can afford dual casades? most people buy and dont even bother changing the cooling, some dont even overclock. the x800 is smaller, lighter, cooler and uses 1 molex what more do you want

I think most people here dont buy a gfx card based primarly on its size, weight, or its temperature... or something silly like the 1 molex connector issue. I know you have your heart set on the x800s, and these are good tertiary points to consider (secondary and primary being performance and price), but if these are your sole criteria for buying a high-end gfx card then perhaps high-end isn't right for you. BOTH ATI and nVidia cards consume 90W+ of power, have high heat ouput, are big, heavy, and in the 6800Ultra case, also occupy 2slots and have 2 molex connectors. What "more" a typical high-end gfx card consumer wants is:
1. performance,
2. lower price
4. more overclockability
5. performance
6. performance
7. hot chick to come with the gfx card (matching colors and all)

[yuri]

Old news. they have been fighting back for 2 years now :D

and if worse comes to worse, there not above cheating :rolleyes:

[***Deimos***]

Still trying to figure out what the big fuss was about "Ruby". Why do so many people think she is "hot", because she fights ninjas, and is ATI mascot?

[Geforce4ti4200]

oh I forgot to mention nvidia's "famous" driver optimizations have caused me to lose faith in them. also the ati solution has better iq and performs better, especially in aa/af(not that id care much about aa/af but its there)

[lalPOOO]

Originally posted by ***Deimos***
Still trying to figure out what the big fuss was about "Ruby". Why do so many people think she is "hot", because she fights ninjas, and is ATI mascot?

Its ati's response to the Dawn demos by nvidia, and shes deffinitly not ugly :p:

[texuspete00]

GeForce... I used to believe aniso was an extra. But it's damn near req'd to get nice crisp looking textures. I dont know why you like jagged edges and muddied textures but I think it is because you have been so unspoiled for so long with the old card! I dunno, I just always see you disregard these features and I have to believe it's only one of those "what I dont know wont hurt me" things... fine but this is a technical forum. If not having your textures collide into a blurry mess in the distance isnt important to you, you are missing the whole point. I think 3dmark is fun, but what cards can do @ 1024*768 no AA/ no Aniso is only the gospel for you. I know you hardly touched on it. So this post probably belongs more in the threads where you so honorably defend your GF4. But your opinions are certainly very unique. We know them all... but dont agree with you. If you at least had a desire to stay with the times, but no, you only seem to care about what others will get in 3dm. Buy a card!

Not liking AA/ aniso is like not liking ice cream, or young thin hotties.... oh wait;)

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by ***Deimos***
Still trying to figure out what the big fuss was about "Ruby". Why do so many people think she is "hot", because she fights ninjas, and is ATI mascot?
Some people like redheads :D

I prefer brunette though ;)

[PCBliss]

I will probably getting the XT because its a lot better with AA and AF, and we all knows thats what really counts in a card. That and benchmarks

[Crankster]

Seeing as the Nvidia is patching the ultra to be able to use only one, unless you are overclocking a lot i don't understand the fuss about it. Besides i think that nvidia in the past have shown that their products really improve with newer drivers. Another thing that talks for Nvidia is ATIs unstable drivers and notorius inablity to handle high AGP-frequency.