Jason is first place in the orb for 2001, 2003

[Geforce4ti4200]

http://jason57.iwarp.com/wrstuff/2k15.GIF
http://jason57.iwarp.com/wrstuff/2k35.GIF


He is not done, so dont go saying "I told you so" when I had predicted his scores ;) he is very cpu limited at this point, even in nature perhaps :eek: Good luck Macci. actually you are way ahead in 2003 and whenever you have the time, id imagine youll be ahead in 2001 ;) but for now, excellent scores with an x800 PRO. I cant wait to see x800xt scores and 800MHz core by casade cooling either!

[bh2k]

that won't last.

[scrible88]

Of course it won't last. But when Jason gets his hand on an x800xt (which he has already ordered) coupled with his 3.2ghz+ FX-51 we are going to see some mind-blowing scores.

[Sphinx]

Oh my god, man it's nearly 35K! Amazing!

[lalPOOO]

Pretty nice scores, not much to compare to yet though. What kind of cooling has he got on the card?

[scrible88]

Originally posted by lalPOOO
Pretty nice scores, not much to compare to yet though. What kind of cooling has he got on the card?

Dry-Ice

[n00by]

Originally posted by lalPOOO
Pretty nice scores, not much to compare to yet though. What kind of cooling has he got on the card? Probably with the mach2 which he hasnt returned :rolleyes: :stick:

Other than that, when you have the right equipment and deep pockets to fill, these numbers will keep going up and up.... ;)

[scrible88]

Well he is using a Mach II on the cpu and dry-ice on the card. What do you mean which he hasn't returned?

[oc-rookie]

I think that's the other way around dry ice on the cpu. That's what he's been using on his fx for a while now. Drama with the machII don't open the door.

[pkrew]

I looked for the 03 score and its not published.

[lalPOOO]

Originally posted by scrible88
Well he is using a Mach II on the cpu and dry-ice on the card. What do you mean which he hasn't returned?

Forget about it, its a bit of sensitive issue. ;)

[Paddy007uk]

Originally posted by pkrew
I looked for the 03 score and its not published.

The ORB will not accept the new cards submissions yet.

Nice scores Jason :p:

[pik-ard v1.1]

macci has higher then that in 3dmark2k3... so jason only holds the 2k1 record... for now.

[xxORBxx]

He has Dry Ice on the CPU and a I think a custom baker R404 phase change cooler on the GPU. I forget if baker18 or bowman made the cooler though.

[BuickBeast]

Nice scores, but still a troll in my book :rolleyes:

[oc-rookie]

Originally posted by xxORBxx
He has Dry Ice on the CPU and a I think a custom baker R404 phase change cooler on the GPU. I forget if baker18 or bowman made the cooler though.

I think it's a herefishy.

[xxORBxx]

Lol whatever. they all make nice coolers :D

[afireinside]

:lol: yea

Congrats on the scores Jason. I douno I always thought he was a pretty nice guy... The Mach II incident made me lose alot of respect for him as a person tho :(

[scrible88]

Originally posted by afireinside
:lol: yea

Congrats on the scores Jason. I douno I always thought he was a pretty nice guy... The Mach II incident made me lose alot of respect for him as a person tho :(

What happened with the machII??? I have been hearing alot about this and have no clue what happened.

[Çhrist0ph]

Originally posted by scrible88
What happened with the machII??? I have been hearing alot about this and have no clue what happened.

unless you are looking for a drama-fest, dont ask.

[scrible88]

Originally posted by Çhrist0ph
unless you are looking for a drama-fest, dont ask.

Well I have to ask, I have looked up to Jason for along time now and.... I am very curios! I can't take it off of my mind atm.

What happened? :stick:

[afireinside]

In short he got a Mach II for testing/review or something from ORB IIRC and he never sent it back to ORB. Thats pretty much it. Lets just leave it there and not have a whole debate over it.

[scrible88]

ic, wow...

And they didn't do anything about it? I woulda had the law on my side asap.

[afireinside]

I really dont know how it ended other than the Mach II never got returned...

Lets just stop talking about it before it turns into a drama fest like already said.

[xxORBxx]

Nah i never had or was supposed to have the Mach II. Its over and he supposedly returned it but who know. I doubt he did. only nVentive could confirm it.

[yuri]

Originally posted by xxORBxx
Nah i never had or was supposed to have the Mach II. Its over and he supposedly returned it but who know. I doubt he did. only nVentive could confirm it.

I saw a mod post, that if everything was returned / ok then he could rejoin Xtreme.

Is he going to be allowed back now ?

[bh2k]

STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. IT HAS TURNED IN TO DRAME LIKE MENTION BEFORE....ARE YOU ALL UNABLE TO READ AND COMPREHEND THE REQUEST THAT YOU STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS?

[oc-rookie]

Originally posted by oc-rookie
Drama with the machII don't open the door.

All this is going to take is a pro jason and a pro other side to be online at the same time to really kick this one off.

Atleast it's gforces thread......

[pkrew]

Originally posted by Paddy007uk
The ORB will not accept the new cards submissions yet.

Nice scores Jason :p:

I know this. The original post said that he was #1 on the orb in 03. This would imply that it was published considering that the author knows that macci already had a higher score.

[lalPOOO]

...Thanks scribbles.

[CrashOv3r1De]

Good scores Jason. Come on guys lets get him unbanned and back in.

[Geforce4ti4200]

lets get back on topic guys, we arent talking about his mach II promteia here, start your own thread if you want to talk about it, thanks. hes first place for his x800 pro in both 2001 and 2003. Macci has the lead but is using the faster x800xt. Jason did get a bad run in 2001, he says he should even break 36k and on casade cooling I had predicted 38k ;)

[pik-ard v1.1]

i thought you were predicting 40k for this new hardware?

[afireinside]

:slash: :owned:

[Stang_Man]

Originally posted by scrible88
What happened with the machII??? I have been hearing alot about this and have no clue what happened.

just keep it that way.

[WildKard]

Sweet!!! Is this the useless drama from the past thread? Man I want to join in...

Hey guys remember when [H]ardOCP falsely inflated their HyperThreading benchmarks, and then removed the text and screenshots relating to the material, and THEN lied about it?!?!

Wow, lets bring up other :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: that doesn't matter anymore.

Good work on the scores Jason

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
i thought you were predicting 40k for this new hardware?


Let me put it this way, Jason is near 35k on a very bad run with an x800 pro thats not maxed out and hes not using casade cooling either. I doubt hes gonna bother much more with the x800 pro since hes just going x800xt soon. how much more 3dmarks is another 4 pipes worth? 3k more sounds reasonable. plus hes gonna get the xt to higher clocks than the pro and go for a good run. Macci does have an advantage with his casade and will able to get even higher clocks than Jason himself. I know what scores will be achieved but you will just flame me if I tell you LOL ;)

[cpulloverclock]

then 37-37.5k

[Geforce4ti4200]

that sounds about right, perhaps a bit higher with the x800 pro

[pik-ard v1.1]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
I know what scores will be achieved but you will just flame me if I tell you LOL ;)
i've never flamed you... :rolleyes:

i think ive acutally defended ya a few times... :stick:

got told to stfu when i did so too...

when i mentioned that you predicted 40k, i was just wondering if you ment 40k for top of the line, or 40k for x800pro, or 40k for nvidia's hardware...

here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31228&perpage=25&highlight=champion%20underdog&pagenumber=3), and here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=428289#post428289), for example. good lucking finding a post where i flamed you. sure, many other people have... but not i.

[LilGator]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
I know what scores will be achieved...

I seriously doubt that ... but enough of this ...

:toast: Great work Jason...

[Geforce4ti4200]

I thank you for defending me and I know you did not flame me, but some others have. yes im talking about top of line, x800xt has the best chance. 6800u would be close behind

[dpa]

didnt you predict 45k? LOL

[zakelwe]

I'm confused who has the tops scores after reading the thread.

The title says jason, but now it is unclear, at least to me.

Regards

Andy

[bias_hjorth]

Originally posted by dpa
didnt you predict 45k? LOL


yes he did.. even 50K :welcome:


Zakelwe


I believe that macci hold the 2k3 and jason the 2k1 :)

[Djuice]

Geforce4ti4200..

One thing plz could you really stop with all the prediction bull :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:! Does that have to do with anything? The people are doing there best and your just saying that they should be getting around ***** points and soo.. You are not a psychic, if you were i want some proof. Let them do as they plz. This is the only reason i registered to post.. Becoz like every thread i read you have to go on about your stupid predictions, just leave it to the PRO okay..

[Djuice]

and oh btw this new have travel pretty far... Nearly every overclocking forum has a thread about this so Good work.. Hope to see more.. and i really mean more..

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
i've never flamed you... :rolleyes:

i think ive acutally defended ya a few times... :stick:

got told to stfu when i did so too...

when i mentioned that you predicted 40k, i was just wondering if you ment 40k for top of the line, or 40k for x800pro, or 40k for nvidia's hardware...

here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31228&perpage=25&highlight=champion%20underdog&pagenumber=3), and here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=428289#post428289), for example. good lucking finding a post where i flamed you. sure, many other people have... but not i.

:banana: :banana: :banana:


Fanboy 2 da rescue....... GOGOGOGO:rolleyes:

[bias_hjorth]

Originally posted by Djuice
and oh btw this new have travel pretty far... Nearly every overclocking forum has a thread about this so Good work.. Hope to see more.. and i really mean more..


This is XS - so indeed you will ;) :)

:welcome:

[r3b0rN]

good to see this new hardwares doing so good.... but in 01 the cpu's have now become to much of a bottleneck, you'd need some amazing oc on an afx or p4ee to get close to eliminating the bottleneck in 01... im starting to think 03's where its at now... just add 1 or 2 system stress tests to it, allow pauses and voila :D

[charlie]

The first guy to get a new vid card will always make it to the top of the ORB.... ok??? When everyone has one, this'll be a mid level score...

C

[texuspete00]

Lol.... yeah still impressive but I remember him being like one of the real firsts to have an A64. He even asked a member publicly in a thread to not post there score until he could snatch up the #1 for his first time for a few moments. Ah well, I just remember that attention grubbing. It was just a bit funny to see the same guy that was so quick to post one of his screenies in someone else's threads, to then be asking for favors. I know he has skills and I wish I had his gear or cooling equipment, or his uncanny ability to get stuff first. I dont even bench competititive, but so far OPP and Macci and those guys have shown the more impressive feats when everyone has the cards. The cooling machines in the competition seem to be the units following Moore's law as well. :p: Though the tech involved has been around, just funny dual prommied rigs arent even close in scores.

[NeGe0]

He does have a 35k score now in 2k1. There will be no way that he's going to hit 36k with the pro. Macci does have the number 1 2k3 score but I don't they'll accept it until the XT comes out into retail. Seeing as you can only preorder it now. So unless they let macci upload his score jason does have the number 1 score in both.

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by charlie
The first guy to get a new vid card will always make it to the top of the ORB.... ok??? When everyone has one, this'll be a mid level score...

C

Going to dip your toe in the water Charlie ?

Are your waterwings going to say ATI or nvidia on them ?

Regards

Andy

[pik-ard v1.1]

Originally posted by Karnivore
:banana: :banana: :banana:


Fanboy 2 da rescue....... GOGOGOGO:rolleyes:
fanboy of what? i dont see myself preaching that either nvidia or ati(or amd or intel) are better then the other nomatter what...

how am i a fanboy? :rolleyes:

[FlyingHamster]

wow.. :slobber:

this jason wasnt that jason/qwerty person who got banned from several forums (including this one) a couple of months ago is he? does anyone know which jason Im talking about? :rolleyes:

[charlie]

Originally posted by zakelwe
Going to dip your toe in the water Charlie ?

Are your waterwings going to say ATI or nvidia on them ?

Regards

Andy

Oh yeah, I'm goin' in :D
Only question is, should I grab a FX-53/SK8V now?? Or when will the 939 come to life?? Will probably grab the FX...or possibly go 5gHz Pressie, my source offered me a 3.4E ES D0 the other day...
The X800 will be avail this week I'm sure....have you seen the 6800 out yet??


C

[charlie]

Originally posted by FlyingHamster
wow.. :slobber:

this jason wasnt that jason/qwerty person who got banned from several forums (including this one) a couple of months ago is he? does anyone know which jason Im talking about? :rolleyes:

Yeah, same guy. MickeyMouse, Qwerty57, Jason57, whatever, same guy....nice scores, though.

C

[Karnivore]

Jason is skilled, and not trying to take anything away from him personally, but I have to agree... This is like racing a pack
of 1970 VW Beetles, With a Shiny new Viper through the 1/4 mile..

The scores can't be published for a reason...

[althes]

well he has the best scores right now, but time will tell.
so let him have his glory.

[Geforce4ti4200]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7821057

its official, it can be published and he broke 35k. I had expected he would do 38k but that was just an estimation. with the cpu clocks he had, I expected 200+ in lobby and 170+ in car high. 300fps will fall in nature once Macci and Oppainter slap their casades onto the x800 pro

[tritium]

Well he beat me by a measly 20,000 3D Marks. Nice score.....

[QuadDamage]

ti4200,

you said "at least 38k-40k" with an XT and you kept saying that over and over again at FM. I said it's not gonna happen any time soon:)
I have a link saved in my favorites.

[charlie]

Anyone accepting odds on how long it holds??

Answer: As long as it takes Opp to drive down to BestBuy and grab a card, lol.

C

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by QuadDamage
ti4200,

you said "at least 38k-40k" with an XT and you kept saying that over and over again at FM. I said it's not gonna happen any time soon:)
I have a link saved in my favorites.


of course. I did expect Jason to score even higher than he is now too. Ok I admit you were right on that thing, but we still have to wait and see how Macci and Oppainter play it out. also this is just the pro, lets see how much faster the x800xt is. Macci has an x800xt now, doesnt he? Once hes not too busy which would be in a few days he says, this should be interesting and see whos right ;)

[eshbach]

Originally posted by QuadDamage
ti4200,

you said "at least 38k-40k" with an XT and you kept saying that over and over again at FM. I said it's not gonna happen any time soon:)
I have a link saved in my favorites.

well 35k with a pro... 38k with an XT and some better cooling just might happen... we'll have to wait and see.

[Karnivore]

Anyone know if these vid cards are actually in stock anywhere?

[Geforce4ti4200]

35k with the x800 pro that was withOUT a casade and low fsb using registered ram on Jasons FX. Macci actually matched Jason in the lobbies on his a64 3400+ and so did Oppainter with over 100MHz slower cpu clocks but Oppainter has like 10MHz higher fsb. Oppainter's fx53 does 100MHz higher than his fx51. also his casade would get him much higher x800 pro clocks so my estimates arent unreasonable. then the x800xt should be like 3-5k faster at same clocks than the pro cause its 16 pipes

[pik-ard v1.1]

also remember when jason got his hands on the a64 first... he put out what... 26-27k... thats commonplace on a64's now...

not downplaying him, but only a handfull of people have gotten their hands on these cards... we havnt seen anything yet. ;)

besides, jason has only had the card for a few days... everyone knows you dont get your top score instantly... it usually takes some serious competition to grind it out of ya...

[OPPAINTER]

Mickeys just gunna have to go down:D
Nice score though.

OPP

[pik-ard v1.1]

that sounds entertaining. ;)

[Peen]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Mickeys just gunna have to go down:D
Nice score though.

OPP

thats the spirit! :D

[charlie]

futuremark.com 3D Team???

I thought he was benching for 3D Maxx??

C

[Geforce4ti4200]

"also remember when jason got his hands on the a64 first... he put out what... 26-27k... thats commonplace on a64's now..."

exactly. Hold your horses quaddamage, 40k will happen pretty soon, especially on the x800xt ;) so what do you think you can get Oppainter with your x800 pro at like 800/1250 clocks and your fx53 at 3.15GHz on your casade? Your predictions would be better than mine ;)

[OPPAINTER]

System scores arn't all that, just alot of Radeon clocks.

OPP

[Geforce4ti4200]

exactly my point. I had thought Jason would have gotten 170 in car high and 200+ in lobby high seeing hes over 100MHz above you in cpu MHz. hes not beating you by much in dragothic either, just nature shows huge gains. Do you think 38k is possible for you on the x800 pro given your fx53's overclocks of nearly 3.2GHz and youd be able to get your x800 pro higher too

[r3b0rN]

yeah true u can see how the gpu really helps out in nature... but why is he beating u so much in car low which is more system stressfull?

[Kunaak]

he's also at the top of Aquamark.
I congratulate my old friend jason on all this.

but in truth, I don't think it's all that impressive yet.
see, people always do this in the new gen of hardware that comes out. get the best stuff before anyone and then post all these great benchmarks.

but the same thing always happens.
Fugger, Macci, Opp and a few others get it a few weeks later, then are at the top consistantly for months after.
being the first with new hardware shows how much we can expect from new hardware, but once it gets in say, macci's hands or Opps, all those people usually fall away fast to the second page or so.

I am glad to see jason around lurking and still OC'ing somewhere.
he was cool to me, regaurdless of the drama around him.

[Djuice]

Wait a few weeks, and the top score would change hands quite frequently.. Who wants to bet how long he would hold the position for?

[STEvil]

Indeed, damn shame what happened :/

I hope I win the lottery some day so I can compete with the likes of macci and opp :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

I would not be supprised to see great mayham on the orb as the front page constantly becomes updated with different people vying for the top. It will be a new learning experience for the tweakers to max out and vmod. Jasons score isnt bad admittely and is a pretty strong benchmark of whats to come and shoot for. Cpu is going to be very important with such a fast gpu. I expect Oppainter to be in the lead considering how good hes doing in lobby and car chase against Jason yet Oppainter was at 3.05GHz! also he has dual casades. his cpu advantage would be worth 1000-1500 more marks and his higher x800 pro clocks another 2000-3000. expect 3000-4500 higher score than the current top or 38k to near 40k but thats just an estimate and not something that I will even bet on ;)

[Hiwayman]

I thought he was benching for 3D Maxx?? He was a part of the reason 3Dmaxx went down, but no more said now, it's a closed book. I'm surprised that he's on the FM team tho. I agree with Opp:)

[Djuice]

Is it me or do i get the impression that whenever Jason is around he can cause quite alot of mayhem?

[STEvil]

Anyone can (no i'm not defending his past actions, just stating fact) ;)

[QuadDamage]

Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
also remember when jason got his hands on the a64 first... he put out what... 26-27k... thats commonplace on a64's now...

not downplaying him, but only a handfull of people have gotten their hands on these cards... we havnt seen anything yet. ;)

besides, jason has only had the card for a few days... everyone knows you dont get your top score instantly... it usually takes some serious competition to grind it out of ya...

I understand but i don't think anyone will destroy his score. Beat him yes, prolly thanks to mature drivers maybe some new tweaks but not much left. Look at his cpu speed and video clocks. OPP might bench at 3200mhz maybe but that's not a lot over MM's speeds and his X800Pro is already at 700mhz+ mhz core.

exactly. Hold your horses quaddamage, 40k will happen pretty soon, especially on the x800xt

LOL you think 16 texture pipelines will make much diffrence at 1024x768 without AA/AF and such:D 1k over Pro at best maybe.

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by charlie
Oh yeah, I'm goin' in :D
Only question is, should I grab a FX-53/SK8V now?? Or when will the 939 come to life?? Will probably grab the FX...or possibly go 5gHz Pressie, my source offered me a 3.4E ES D0 the other day...
The X800 will be avail this week I'm sure....have you seen the 6800 out yet??


C

8-12 days latest estimate for 6800U ( in the UK ) so still lagging Ati.

Regards

Andy

[zakelwe]

The X800XT of Macci's in 03 stock cooled really outpaces the X800 with R404 cooling .. those 25% extra pipelines / shaders really cut the mustard there it seems. Unless macci's drivers helped a lot being made for the new generation of Ati video cards and give a big boost ?? Maybe Macci can enlighten us ?

Does the OR now default to all drivers for the search and compare ? Excellent.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Opp, Tom Holk, FUGGER, Charlie and the Puss team can do for XS wuith these new cards.

Also Quad, Highwayman ( out of retirement ), techsweden, tchzonePortugal guys etc for other teams can do also .

Come on quad, stop messing about and get benching :p:

I'm still hoping for a 6800U to be the dark horse and come out of the blue and sweep the evil ATI assunder, but I fear that might just be my sad nvidiot dreams talking :)

I just wish mine would arive so I can play about with it.

Regards

Andy

[QuadDamage]

i'm sure 6800U will outpace XT's in '03 thanks to brutal Stencil Shadows performance (GT2/GT3), but i don't know about '01 but i think given good cooling Ultra's should reach 650 maybe even 700mhz core.
Also i'm sure nVidia will deliver faster drivers later this month.

[Hiwayman]

I agree with you Quad, I think the 6800U may well shine. I saw a report, at work, of a water cooled 6800U benching thru 2k3 @ 650 core with watercooling and no mods, but I can't find it now, I'll dig around and see if I can re-locate the review.

[jfr0]

Originally posted by Hiwayman
I agree with you Quad, I think the 6800U may well shine. I saw a report, at work, of a water cooled 6800U benching thru 2k3 @ 650 core with watercooling and no mods, but I can't find it now, I'll dig around and see if I can re-locate the review.

Oh my. :slobber:
The overclockability of these cards will be the difference for us.

[Hiwayman]

Hmmm can't seem to find it yet but there is this:

http://www.nvnews.net/previews/geforce_6800_ultra/page_9.shtml

[QuadDamage]

71C isn't that bad compared to X800XT which easily hits over 80C and mem chips can burn your fingers. According to this review their XT could barely bench at +10mhz core / +20mhz mem over stock while their Ultra (not UE) benched at 460/1270 :

http://www.pclab.pl/art9926-15.html

ATi so far is slightly stronger at stock but nVidia might overclock way higher using stock cooling and r404a/DI/Prometeia.

[charlie]

Yeah, not any more..... Macci @ #1

C

[Geforce4ti4200]

you are right. Not bad, Macci was just barely warming up, he even pointed out he didnt have time to tweak at all, just wanted to try one quick bench. win xp, dx9, bad run, cpu not maxed out, wrong drivers, bad nature, etc. Once he has the time, expect to see MUCH higher scores ;)

[Geforce4ti4200]

OMG!!!!!!!! you are not gonna believe this, but Jason just got a hold on 4 litters of LN2 and is planning on beating Macci's score by alot. Hes planning on 37k or 38k if he ln2's the gpu as well. Hes gonna get close to Macci's nature as well. I do believe Macci can score better than what hes got currently cause he said its a warmup ;) Got some ln2 too, Macci?

[zakelwe]

Looks like Jason's FX against macci's XT in compare. I guess jason is itching to get an XT now .and macci a 939.

321fps for nature and 700 fps for drag low .... :toast:

Golly.

Regards

Andy

[Djuice]

NOw where did you here that he got a hold of some LN2?

[Geforce4ti4200]

Macci's nature is low even for an x800xt. at same clocks the xt should be ~50 higher than the x800 pro. and in another forum Jason has announced hes getting ln2. ln2 is equal or better than casade cooling too

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
Macci's nature is low even for an x800xt. at same clocks the xt should be ~50 higher than the x800 pro. #

Can you show me another result where the XT is 50 higher than the Pro in nature at same clocks of over 700Mhz for core ?

If you cannot , then can you tell me what you are basing this claim on ?

Or are you reapeating your old failing of simply talking lower results and applying an easy linear scale ?

Would be interested to know.

Regards

Andy

[Ragnarok]

seriously GF4Ti4200 can u please stop all speculations, they are groundless and baseless

how many X800XT benchmarks have u seen to call 320 FPS in nature slow?

Macci is only getting warmed up, he beat Jason using graphic card clocks alone, and has a lot more left in the system...

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by zakelwe
#

Can you show me another result where the XT is 50 higher than the Pro in nature at same clocks of over 700Mhz for core ?

If you cannot , then can you tell me what you are basing this claim on ?

Or are you reapeating your old failing of simply talking lower results and applying an easy linear scale ?

Would be interested to know.

Regards

Andy


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34905



Macci said:

Ti4200, the 33484 was done on a A64 @3G and with X800Pro (12pipe) @696/560 or so and old beta drivers on WinXP system. Nature was 252 or so.

With the X800XT @714/630 or so the 2001 Nature is around 309FPS


Thats well over 50fps difference in nature. His nature was low for both since hes using old beta drivers and windows xp. Jason gets 282 in nature with the x800 pro at slightly higher clocks than Macci's x800 pro.

[macci]

The fact you fail to understand (even thou I think I've mentioned quite a few times..) is that Nature test is video mem speed limited when running at those GPU clocks.

Thats the reason why jason's X800Pro (video mem well above 600MHz) is so much better than my nature on X800Pro (mem at 560 only).

X800Pro (12pipe) @696/560...Nature was 252

X800XT @714/630 or so the 2001 Nature is around 309FPS

Thats well over 50fps difference in nature.
There is also a huge difference in video mem speeds in case you didn't notice..
If the X800XT was ran at 696/560 it would not hit over 300fps

[Geforce4ti4200]

I understand perfectly, thanks for clearing this up. Is nature that memory bandwith intensive? I had thought the gpu did make a good chunk of the difference. what is stock nature fps for a stock x800xt? If both were overclocked to 700/560 how much more fps would another 4 pipes make? edit: I just realized your x800xt clocks are about what Jason's x800 pro clocks are so the extra 4 pipes makes about 25 to 30fps difference. I know a stock x800xt has higher clocks plus more pipes but once both are overclocked, if the clocks are identical the differences shrink to 25fps, is that right?

stock x800 pro=200 or so
stock x800xt=250 or so

overclocked the difference is less.

[zakelwe]

Macci,

I noticed over at Futuremark that you said cooling on the memory helped go from 605 to 650Mhz speed, which is interesting. Was this just a fan in a cool room or something more beefy ?

I assume your memory is Samsung 1.6ns 600/1200 GDDR3 With no heatsinks on them ?

I have purchased a mobile aircon unit ( borrowing an idea from good old Digital Jesus :) ) for blowing over the whole motherboard, so your report on the effects of cool air on memory clocks seems encouraging for my new rig, when it finally gets going.

Regards

Andy

[macci]

Andy,

RAM cooling = Cascade on GPU :D
it cools down the whole card quite nicely.
I've been thinking about makeing an A/C unit out of one of my R404 compressors. Great for Summer Benching :D

[Djuice]

Macci,

Have you been benching any card besides from the X800 series? Have you tried the NV40 varients? IF you have how do they compare?

[macci]

Haven't been able to get any nvidia stuff.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I must have answered my own question right, I guess I needed to be more observant in comparing your score and nature against Jasons :) is my estimate of 250fps nature on stock x800xt close?

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by macci
Andy,

RAM cooling = Cascade on GPU :D
it cools down the whole card quite nicely.
I've been thinking about makeing an A/C unit out of one of my R404 compressors. Great for Summer Benching :D

Yes, I can see how that would help :)

I agree with your thoughts on summer benching and using air con to cool the whole board. In my case, being a moderate air cooled bencher I was limited to really only benching agressively 2-3 months of the year in England, also sitting up at 3am in the morning with the room at 5-7C was gettihg me down, especially if I needed to work the next morning.

So I have now bought a new garden shed which is being delivered soon and have purchased for it one air con unit for the motherbaord, one freezer with waterblocks using chilled water for gpu and cpu and a fridge for beers. This summer I plan to up my scores sitting in the sun with a BBQ going and one or more beers in my hand.

It wil be a blessed relief :)

My temps will not be massively colder than in winter but it will be a much more enjoyable experience than before, and that is important.

Regards

Andy

[charlie]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
Macci's nature is low even for an x800xt. at same clocks the xt should be ~50 higher than the x800 pro. and in another forum Jason has announced hes getting ln2. ln2 is equal or better than casade cooling too

Nostradumas,
Not necessarily. For one thing, 4 liters of LN2 is NOTHING. It will be GONE in about 15 minutes. Maintaining a stable temp with LN2 is EXTREMELY difficult, AND he'll be rushed to bench, no tweaking or fine tuning. LN2 is better suited to Suicide screen shot and pifast/superpi. In that app you just chill the cpu on the desktop until your temp is where you want, ramp up clocks in CG, hit "start". I have a 35 liter dewar, now that's an appropriate size for benching. Not saying it's impossible, just that with only 4 liters, it'll be tough.

C