NF3 250 were getting closer!

[Karnivore]

Appears Chaintech has some info now....


http://www.chaintech.com.tw/tw/eng/product_spec.asp?MPSNo=13&PISNo=266

http://www.chaintech.com.tw/tw/eng/news/2004/news_show0316.asp


ZipZoomFly (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=241577) has the board listed now, no stock :(

[Perc]

hell i just read somewhere last night they started shipping the mb's already? we should be seeing these things with in a week in stock? i checked newegg but nothing mentioned....

heres the link to where i read it was released.

http://forums.amdmb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=307048

yeah i know its another forum but the guy put the info in there so check it out if you want?

peace perc,

[kommando]

-loading page-

Damn that first page is taking forever to load.
But looks good except this :)
All information is subject to change without notice

Meh, they better not change. ITS LOADED!!

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Perc
hell i just read somewhere last night they started shipping the mb's already? we should be seeing these things with in a week in stock?



Nice, I'm looking forward to playing with one.... Hopefully soon..

[Perc]

yeah man i cant wait either. i just hope its not all just a load of crap? then again i dont know why they would say they have started shipping as of 03/16 if it wasnt true? question is "is this chaintec going to be any good?" probly going to need a bios update like most new mbs do? i just hope the org release bios is decent enough for a little while other wise i may just wait a few weks to see what else pops up? hell chaintec cant be the only ones to release thier mb's? probly a few others to follow suite as well? only time will tell?

peace perc,

[r3b0rN]

i wont be getting socket 939 til december 05... bad because i have to wait so long (im poor :p: ) but good because by then ill know the right mobo to get, and bios to use. I cant wait to see how these babies perform!

[Xogun]

Hei guys,
Chaintech have official release in their web site.

[Zeus]

Not a word on the AGP/PCI lock and native firewall...?
What better is it than the Chaintech ZNF3 150?
Just a faster HTT, that's all?

I wouldn't spend money on that. :mad:

[`schr0et]

The main thing most people are looking for is the PCI lock + full HT support, I'll be returning my Shuttle AN50R + GA K8N-Pro once these things get into stock.

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by `schr0et
The main thing most people are looking for is the PCI lock + full HT support



Exactly, I'm keeping my fingers crosssed...

[cowpuppy]

Well personally I don't think this N250 will be worth running out and getting. Full HTT, we already have to back it down, but then there is the possibility it will run at full speed OCed (ya right) If your already on a N150 things are not that bad with the loss of a pci lock, the AGP is locked, on the shuttle anyways. It's your ram and the ability to cool the cpu limiting your OC not the N150 chipset. I'll be on N250 when pci express is released, unless something happened to my shuttle.

By the way I appreciate the unlocked pci bus as with my 4+0 striped array I picked up some HD transfer speed.

[Zeus]

Originally posted by cowpuppy
Well personally I don't think this N250 will be worth running out and getting. Full HTT, we already have to back it down, but then there is the possibility it will run at full speed OCed (ya right) If your already on a N150 things are not that bad with the loss of a pci lock, the AGP is locked, on the shuttle anyways. It's your ram and the ability to cool the cpu limiting your OC not the N150 chipset. I'll be on N250 when pci express is released, unless something happened to my shuttle.

By the way I appreciate the unlocked pci bus as with my 4+0 striped array I picked up some HD transfer speed.

You are spot on here mate! ;)
What's the higher HTT speed gonna do?

Transport the data to and fro your integrated peripherals over a wider bus?
Like that's what's bottlenecking your system...?
Does the transport between CPU and AGP need to be faster?
If that was true, how come people getting massive 3D mark scores with just LDT x2?

Since the mem is directly connected to the ondie memconroller the importance of the HTT becomes less significant i'd say.

Heat is what's really holding back good OC's on these A64's.
I've seen 2 ppl already doing over 2.8GHz with just 1.7V, running Phasechange cooling.
On aircooling, you'll be a lucky dog getting 2,5GHz.

Just my :2cents:

[Karnivore]

Some of us have hardware that would run better IF the PCI were lockable....

[cowpuppy]

I have no problems running 295fsb with a full load of pci cards. It's not the chipset. It's one of 3 problems: your sata hard drives getting corrupted by being hooked up to the onboard raid controller, and locking the pci may not correct this or like I said cooling and ram.

[dropadrop]

Personally I've been waiting for the pci-lock...

[Evil_Spork]

pci lock with the option to adjust it like you can the agp bus on NF2. thats the way to go.

[paul007]

lmfao

zeus/cow run 3d at lets say 240mhz "1:1" low latency then drop to 2.5x you can loose up to 300 marks alone. now imagine not being able to run 4x/600mhz as that wont be doable overclocked but the abilty to run the full 3x/600mhz on the nf3 at 260mhz 1:1 :) you could see a 400-600 point gain and yes it will only be 3d as its only the data moved from agp--to--cpu that will be greatly affected..

its this and the locks/firewall that we want if they exsist..

via pro
1000mhz
abilty to run full speed 800mhz at any fsb
locks

but again this is still a big "WHAT IF"

as how many times are we let down with this locked bus crap first it was all VIA now Nvidia is playing in on the role of most letdown chipset of the year, lol..

[r3b0rN]

isnt the fx-53 only going to be available on the new 939 socket? thats why i cant wait for it :D

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by cowpuppy
I have no problems running 295fsb with a full load of pci cards. It's not the chipset. It's one of 3 problems: your sata hard drives getting corrupted by being hooked up to the onboard raid controller, and locking the pci may not correct this or like I said cooling and ram.


well the way I want to run my hardware I'll benefit from the features supposed to be in the NF3250..

Besides regardless of what my problem is, or is not, It will be MY choice to plunk down the $$$ or to pass... I honestly don't see any reason to Debate, last time I looked in my wallet the cash was all mine.....

[Zeus]

Originally posted by paul007
lmfao

zeus/cow run 3d at lets say 240mhz "1:1" low latency then drop to 2.5x you can loose up to 300 marks alone. now imagine not being able to run 4x/600mhz as that wont be doable overclocked but the abilty to run the full 3x/600mhz on the nf3 at 260mhz 1:1 :) you could see a 400-600 point gain and yes it will only be 3d as its only the data moved from agp--to--cpu that will be greatly affected..

its this and the locks/firewall that we want if they exsist

Who told you that?
Did you try it yourself?
First of all, 240 HTT and 3xLDT is a no-go on a NF3 mobo, so you're gonna have to back down to 2,5.

If your opion holds true, how come Stinger did 30K marks with LDTx2?
You mean he would have gotten even 500 more marks if he could have ran LDT x2,5 and another 300 if he could have done 280MHZ HTT with LDT x3? :eek:

Stop pulling my leg mate.

It's a bit similair to AGP 4x and AGP 8x, what gains do you get with a Geforce 4 ti 4xxx with AGP x8 over the same card with AGP x4?

Sorry to disagree, but the only advantage the 250 has over the 150 will be the PCI lock, if it is gonna have one, lol.

On the other hand, i'm not using one single PCI card and my harddisk isn't complaining, even if i run 260HTT, so what's the problem? ;)


Originally posted by Karnivore
well the way I want to run my hardware I'll benefit from the features supposed to be in the NF3250..

Besides regardless of what my problem is, or is not, It will be MY choice to plunk down the $$$ or to pass... I honestly don't see any reason to Debate, last time I looked in my wallet the cash was all mine.....

Man, calm down, who said you can't spend your money the way you want?
Me and Cowpuppy are only saying that it's not worth upgrading from a NF3 150 to a NF3 250, that's all.

[saaya]

nothing really new besides the hardware firewall, sounds interesting but i doubt its worth an upgrade from nf3 to nf3 250...

[Tyberius]

I've been having trouble using the integrated Sata raid on my gigabyte board, running two raptors in raid 0, everything seems fine, and then every once in awhile my computer locks, and the HD light comes on and stays on. The light goes off and the lock passes after about 30 seconds, then everything works again. You think using a PCI controller card instead of the integrated would fix this problem? i'm not banking on aything having a locked pci bus until i see it for myself...so i gotta get this problem fixed.

[cowpuppy]

Originally posted by Tyberius
I've been having trouble using the integrated Sata raid on my gigabyte board, running two raptors in raid 0, everything seems fine, and then every once in awhile my computer locks, and the HD light comes on and stays on. The light goes off and the lock passes after about 30 seconds, then everything works again. You think using a PCI controller card instead of the integrated would fix this problem? i'm not banking on aything having a locked pci bus until i see it for myself...so i gotta get this problem fixed.

A pci Raid card would most likley take care of your problems, but I would wait 4 pci express before running out and purchasing a raid card and get the most out of your HD's.

[Tyberius]

I only have 2 raptors, i dont think itll make much difference, and why would it take care of the problem? how is integrated much different than pci? theyre on the same bus no?>

[Zeus]

Originally posted by Tyberius
I only have 2 raptors, i dont think itll make much difference, and why would it take care of the problem? how is integrated much different than pci? theyre on the same bus no?>

No cause you take a PCI card that can operate up till 66MHz.

[STEvil]

the VIA KT880 boards supposedly have locked busses and dual channel... so it could be possible they got their act together...

[Tyberius]

Even if its in a 33mhz slot???