Best AIR cooling

[jonta]

Hi all,

I am running a P4 3.2 with P4C800 DLX and GEIL PC4000 memory.
I currently hit about 3.77 (FSB 235 1:1) stable with the stock Intel HSF. Will I get any improvements if I buy another type of air colling? If yes then how much of an improvement should I expect?
Last but not least, any recommendations on v.good air cooling from your experiences?


Here is my setup,

P4 3.2@3.77 (FSB 235 1:1)
Intel Stock HSF
P4C800 DLX
Geil PC4000 DDR500@940
3x80 GB Maxtor 8M cache
Antec SOHO server case with Antec 400w PSU
Audigy2
ATI Radeon 9700Pro non oc-ed yet



Cheers
Roberto

[felix88]

jonta, WELCOME TO XTREME!!!

as for your questions, i would say you will see some improvements with better cooling. i don't know how much though. the Thermalright SP94 is probably one of the best coolers out there.

[jonta]

Hi Felix,

Nice to be here, I have heard that the swiftech coolers are good as well. Do you or anyone else have any experience with the MCX4000 or the MCX748V??

Cheers

[felix88]

swiftech coolers are also very good. i thought i read a review where the Thermalright beat the Swiftech though.

never used either of the coolers you mentioned though.

[jonta]

Thanks Felix,
Your input is very much appreciated. I'll ask you another question if you dont mind. Other people that have any experience are welcomed with their comments as well. Maybe going slightly off topic but I saw this online shop in the Netherlands selling a Swiftech HS with a pelt. This is the <A href="http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcx4000-T.asp" target=> description. </A> I've read here on the forums that pelt with air cooling is a no-no. Do you go along with that?

Cheers

[lalPOOO]

If you're not going for a pelt setup the SP-94 with a high flow fan is probably the best you're going to get on air.

[quiksilver87]

that thing is running at 55dba....could you bear that sound??....

All: Oh no not him again!!!!

[lalPOOO]

Me? Hell no, I could not bear that sound. I sleep about 4 feet away from my computer. I use my sp-94 with a really old panaflo I got from an AT power supply. Model "fbk-09a12h" its a 0.22amp fan, and it pushes quite a bit of air. My load temps are around 50c
in my antec tower.

[quiksilver87]

hmmm that really sux.....it sux when you cant use something to full capacity!!

[felix88]

Originally posted by jonta
Thanks Felix,
Your input is very much appreciated. I'll ask you another question if you dont mind. Other people that have any experience are welcomed with their comments as well. Maybe going slightly off topic but I saw this online shop in the Netherlands selling a Swiftech HS with a pelt. This is the <A href="http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcx4000-T.asp" target=> description. </A> I've read here on the forums that pelt with air cooling is a no-no. Do you go along with that?

Cheers

well, i don't have much experience with pelts, so i'm not going to get into this too much. i will say that todays processors put out a LOT of heat and it's difficult for even a high end heatsink with a high output fan to dispose of that heat. you've also got to consider where that heat is going(your case), how your going to power the pelt(a special PSU) and condensation if the pelt is cold enough to run at below-ambient temps.

now, i've probably said too much about something i know very little about. :D

[jonta]

well, i don't have much experience with pelts, so i'm not going to get into this too much. i will say that todays processors put out a LOT of heat and it's difficult for even a high end heatsink with a high output fan to dispose of that heat. you've also got to consider where that heat is going(your case), how your going to power the pelt(a special PSU) and condensation if the pelt is cold enough to run at below-ambient temps.

now, i've probably said too much about something i know very little about.

:) You definately know lot more than I do Felix. Anyway thanx fo that. From the diagram thats on that webpage i gather that HSF/pelt is no good for my P4@ 3.7 which releassees 114W. Let alone oc-ed higner than that.


Is there are any reading on this pelt cooling business?

Cheers

[zippyc]

An air cooled pelt would raise the temps of your case SIGNIFICANTLY, as all of that extra heat gets relased right in there (A BAD THING), to be shared and re-heated by your power supply, GPU, and even the Northbridge Chipset.

This extra heat you introduced will lower the efficiency of your power supply as it gets lots hotter air now, it will lower the overclockability of your other system componets like Northbridges and GPUS and will make your voltage regulators deliver lower/less stable voltages.

Unless you pipe in cold air with ducts DIRECTLY to the heatsink and the pipe that exhaust DIRECT out of the case with similar methods, keeping all that heat from your other componets. And the CFM would need to be very high (AKA LOUD) to reach any decent effeciencies.

Pelts + air cooling = inefficient and not so good....

[Tilmitt]

I sleep next to tornado at full blast. Some people can take it some can't. Try!

[mi_july]

regarding air cooled pelts i have one on my SP 94 and i get ambient temps but the heat dumped into my case is removed by a house hold fan, it works well though you will have to cut the springs on the bolts if you want to do this though, good luck.

[quiksilver87]

Tilmitt....My oc isnt in my room ...so i dont really care about the noise while im sleeping. I care about the noise while im playing games or just doing anything!!

[zippyc]

I've found that case design and fan choice can have a large impact on your cpu cooling results. I'm running a XP2600 at 2.4 and it does not go over 98F in this case at 2.4G. It hits 124F at 2.6 and 1.9V at the cpu.

The GPU hit a maximum of 109F after I overclocked it to 450Mhz (and after I slapped a big ole CPU cooler on it, lol).

Here is a case optimized for excellent airflow.....and 360 Degree radiant cooling. The Graphics card also gets very special cooling from three fans...

More of the smaller fans have been placed in parallel for a ton of push from front to back...there is virtually no air re-circulation in this setup....

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31453

[apathy^2]

Originally posted by zippyc


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31453

zippy, you've whored that link in at least two other threads =p chill. i can tell you're a proud papa =)

[NesQuiK]

hmmmm

i use SP94 and Vantec Tonado 80mm at minimum voltage so its not loud >.< , my p4 2.4c m0 does 270fsb 5:4 and 250fsb 1:1 with some khx3500 2-2-2-5 -.- its still not bad ....

[zippyc]

Your right apathy, its pimped in like three threads.

I just have not seen the server cases chosen because of cooling advantages until now.

It is a revisited concept because of the availability of the aluminum chassis and I'm attempting to get public opinion on the visual appeal. And, OK, I'm proud... :)

I have never sold a computer for profit except back when I worked for one of the big three. That was years ago.

I'm entertaining the thought of building these for fun and to help subsidize my electric bill from my folding efforts and my bad overclocking addiction (i got TWO monkeys! lol). In the meantime if anyone can benefit from looking at the blueprint to build their own, great! You can get everything you need from newegg to build one...thats why i posted detailed descript and pics.

But back on topic, my point is really the more times you can refresh the air content in your case per minute, the better your cpu can cool. And this can be helped with multiple fans and slot coolers in virtually any case.