Question for you hardcore benchers...

[TheWeaseL]

When you are benching and going for those big numbers...are those like 100% stable, no artifacts, could run 24/7 settings, or are those just barely got the bench out artifacts to hell, but hey it completed and I got a score benches?

Not saying one way is better then the other, but just curious. :)

[Stang_Man]

some are without artifacting, some are with, some are unstable as hell, some are prime95 stable while running folding and 3dmark03 looping with 16xAF/6xAA for days...

[sandman]

I thinkt the top benches are just barely got it off, artifacting like hell.

Personally, all of mine are noa rtifacts can run all day long. I don't use P95 anymore, I just see if it'll run everything I want it to.

[megahurtz-oc]

when i bench on 3d01 i get no artifacts i lower the core gpu and mem clocks. on 3d03 i push it harder and get a few sparkles from the core heating up on nature and very little tearing on nature as well. 24/7 i lower the clock speed on the gpu to about 540/420 when playing games and on cpu i lower fsb to about 265. and then can run 24/7 no probs. also when not playing games i default the gpu clocks. i wouldnt consider myself one of the "big boys" but am currently 13 on hall of fame on 3d03.

[Soulburner]

Stable for 3DMark, yes ;).

Stable for every day, not even. Hardware is run on the edge here, every last mhz.

[isp]

Yeah I think most people want the best score their hardware can possibly produce.

[Kunaak]

my scores are typically the most unstable point I can still pass at.
but the videocard on the other hand, I won't put up with much artifacting at all.

these days I mainly use Nvidia cards, mainly cause the rest of the team has the ATI side coverd, and I like the Challenges of the FX series of cards.
but strangly, they don't artifact.
they switch between 2 and 3d speeds.
so they are abit of a learning curve.
I have 3 5900 Non Ultras here (these are my 7th ones)
and I can push one of them to 650/1060, and it doesnt switch to 2D speeds, so I assume I can get it stable at that speed if I went for some 24/7 serious cooling for it ;)

[G H Z]

I don't know about other cards but with my 9500 my scores go down if it starts to artifact.

So there is really no point at all in doing a run like that.

[r3b0rN]

yeah i dont do much of a cpu oc, but my video clocks at 330/499 i artifact like hell :)

[macci]

Can a 100M sprinter maintain the speed for miles?
When you are going for the highest possible score is there any other way?

If I clock the CPU too far it will lock up or kick it back to desktop. If I clock the card GPU too high it will just lock up. If I clock the card MEM too high it will run like §§§§e (lowers the score).

So as far as any top score goes its the max possible speed the given hardware can run at. Shows the max possible performance the given hardware has to give.

I personally liked the GeForce 3 days thou: those cards would either run 100% properly or not run at all.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by macci
I personally liked the GeForce 3 days thou: those cards would either run 100% properly or not run at all.
My Ti4400 and 5950U both work that way, they either run at their max or lock up if they go 1mhz faster...there is no artifacting at all.

[sandman]

My geforce3 would artifact like hell for another 35mhz on the memory before it stopped giving a signal.

[unrealneo]

as st0ned_penguin once said:

as stable as the iraqi economy

damn that boy's funny :D

[r3b0rN]

rofl

[Zeus]

Originally posted by Kunaak
my scores are typically the most unstable point I can still pass at.
but the videocard on the other hand, I won't put up with much artifacting at all.

these days I mainly use Nvidia cards, mainly cause the rest of the team has the ATI side coverd, and I like the Challenges of the FX series of cards.
but strangly, they don't artifact.
they switch between 2 and 3d speeds.
so they are abit of a learning curve.
I have 3 5900 Non Ultras here (these are my 7th ones)
and I can push one of them to 650/1060, and it doesnt switch to 2D speeds, so I assume I can get it stable at that speed if I went for some 24/7 serious cooling for it ;)

I thought the 5900 nonultra didn't have this "thermal throttling" ?
I've never had my 5900nu switching back to lower 2d speeds, at least not that i could notice.

It's true that these cards don't seem to produce any artifact at all, if clocked too high they simply lock up.

Real strange and took some time to get used to, i kept on pushing the mem cause i never got artifacts but experienced lockups all the time so lowered core freq....lol

Kunaak, what brand is the card that does 650/1060?
My guess is an Asus, no? ;)

[biggie135]

Mine was totaly stable until the PSU I benched with died now it's very unstable at those speeds.

[Kunaak]

Originally posted by Zeus
I thought the 5900 nonultra didn't have this "thermal throttling" ?
I've never had my 5900nu switching back to lower 2d speeds, at least not that i could notice.

Kunaak, what brand is the card that does 650/1060?
My guess is an Asus, no? ;)

well, I dont know about "Actually" switching to 2d, I guess I can break out the volt meter, and watch the volts and push the card way too high and see what happens.
what I can say, is, beyond a certain point, it's only stable for a moment, then the frames drop dramatically on just about any test.

Aquamark is what I like most these days, but 3dmark2001se it does that too. I very very rarely run 2003, but it does that on there as well.

I am on my 7th 5900 NU.
they have all done that.
I only owned 1 5950 which I am certain done it, cause I hated that card so much I wanted to give it away.
I borrowed 1 5900 ultra before I initially started with the 5900 NU which was a card that was sooooo unbelievably frustrating I almost swore off the FX series all together before I got a 5900 NU.

in my opinion, the 5900 NU is by far the funnest card in the FX line to use, cause it's so easy to get it stable.
which was my main problem with the 5900 ultra and 5950.

so far I have had 4 BFG's and a 3 Chaintechs.
I like the BFG's more.

my 650/1060 on here, is a BFG.
I can remove the IHS I guess for some additional OC's, but I don't want to, it's too big a risk for such a small gain.

the cards volt modded, and use to run with -30C water chilling.
now it's air cooled, or dry ice cooled.

[zakelwe]

I don't like the throttling at all, it's a fine idea but it does take away control from the user. What happens if someguys kicks in at 99% and yours kicks in at 95% of the limit, thats another thing that can add to luck of the draw.

There should be a software override button for it, maybe it can be put into rivatuner?

Regards

Andy

[Zeus]

Originally posted by zakelwe


There should be a software override button for it, maybe it can be put into rivatuner?



What about a hardware mod?
Maybe something like cutting a trace or anything?

*knocks on wood*
Never had this "throttling" only bugged runs but these started with low fps already.

[zakelwe]

There has to be something Zeus as it is such a pain at the moment.

I liken it to traction control in a car, it may make things safer and better for the less accomplished but unless it is right on the limit itself it just acts as another barrier.

I think I might email Gainward, they need something to distinguish their cards nowadays, maybe software controlled voltages as well....yes please !


Regards

Andy

[Zeus]

Don't know Andy but am i just lucky sod with my card??
I just pushed my FX5900 a bit further with 1.57V on the core and got trough Car and Lobby at 538/989 without any "throtling"whatsoever. :)

Here's where it got me:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7580347

There has got to be some way around this switching back to 2d, i will search some forums tommorow.

[f00t]

i go for all out, balls to the wall, anything goes when i bench.

who cares about a few artis here and there

[unrealneo]

Originally posted by f00t
i go for all out, balls to the wall, anything goes when i bench.

who cares about a few artis here and there

exactly!

that's all our team asks as well. :)

[TheWeaseL]

:slap: :am: You know, if I start a thread, you'd think I would stay with it, and not forget about it for a week...:(

But yeah, only reason I asked, is because I'd like to flex my benching muscle, but this rig is also my 24/7 rig, and last thing I want to do is kill my 500 dollar videocard...I figure with:
DFI Infinity (12/31 bios)
Mobile 2500 @ 225x11.5 primestable.
2x512 using 2-2-2-6 timings
9800XT that can do 455/395 artfact free

I could easily break the 20k mark...But for those higher numbers, just have to get over the instability thing...I'm a stability freak...I run seti, stability is my friend. :)

[Veritas.no]

Well. When it comes to the grafix card, artifact free is the way to go for me. I guess I could get another 100 points if I didn't care about that.
As for the Cpu. As long as it's stable to bench it's enough for me.

[benonmsn]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Stable for 3DMark, yes ;).

Stable for every day, not even. Hardware is run on the edge here, every last mhz.

agreed. if my computer is conpletly stable, i dont think im going to get the max score i can get. im wanting my computer to hanging onto lifes edge while im benching it, i want it to sweat and to work.