P4EE vs AMD64 Performance in 3DMark

[Ragnarok]

Here's my problem, a particular stubborn member @ Overclockers Australia who refuses to believe that A64 3200+ is on par with P4EE or even perform similarly when it comes to 3DMark.

I am asking for XS member's opinion on the matter!

Personally imho, P4EE is marginally faster in WinXP, but when switched to Win2K A64 3200+ will perform nearly the same.

Now please reply with ur opinion!

[Soulburner]

P4EE is a tad bit stronger I believe than the A64 in 3DMark, though not by much.

The FX is a bit ahead of them both.

[zakelwe]

I'm not sure who those voters were who said the P4EE sucks ...

ORB results seem to show the P4 EE being just in front .

Who are you arguing against at OCAU ?

Regards

Andy

[Ragnarok]

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?s=&threadid=248535

read for ur self :) dont want to name and offend anyone..

[dojobi]

Rag,
Are you Mjollnir or GB? Anyway, I think it's pretty clear that the CPUs are basically dead even. Anyway, I've always though of Chainbolt as VERY strong intel lover. I think he'd rather have a Celeron than an AMD chip.

[GreenBeret]

He's Mjollnir, and I'm GB. All I said was that the A64 3200+ matches the P4 EE, which means they are on par, or close to each other in 3DMark. Plus I mentioned that the A64 would be faster (this is at stock for both systems) if Win2K was used instead of XP. Yet chainbolt, deliberately or not, misinterpreted it and kept splitting hair over that single comment... He also prefers to believe the reviews more than the real results on the ORB. Whatever :p

[unrealneo]

In 3D Mark terms, IMO:

A64 3200+ < P4 EE 3.2 = A64 3400+ < FX-51

not alot between the EE and the 3400+/FX

the 3200+ isn't quite in the same league:)

[Edogg]

a64 < EE = fx

[FUGGER]

Welcome to XtremeSystems Edogg

Back up a second, current standings on the orb

P4EE > FX > A64 = 2K3
FX > P4EE > A64 = 2K1

[macci]

for 3dmark2001 its more like FX = P4EE ES > A64 > P4EE RETAIL

Fugger, is that a new P4EE your running in your latest bench? Almost 30k :)

[FUGGER]

30k bagged with dx8.1 + driver

yep new 3.4EE ES @ 301.68 FSB 1:1 same old XT I had before

[charlie]

FUGGER,
Can't it run @ 260-265 1:1????? Would be VERY fast...

C

[FUGGER]

I will drop back to 16x 282+ FSB when I get another video card, plus I can tighten up timing some.

17x 265 with very tight timing would be nice too

[zakelwe]

Nice scores Fugger.

I'd forgotten that the top ORB results were ES samples so for retail it is pretty close.

That OCAU thread was an interesting read, the threads are always closed by the time I get to them ....

Regards


Andy

[Soulburner]

Well remember FUGGERs results were with 16x stock multi so the same results could be had with the Retail 3.2EE chip as well.

Kind of takes the whole ES part out of it.

Only exception would be if it were a superior sample.

[luihed]

An ES is an ES no matter what multiplier its using....... like a 3400+ using a 10x multi is still a 3400+ and not a 3200+.........

[Ragnarok]

Well it seems my discussion on A643200+ vs P4EE in 2K1 has been banned @ OCAU for being flamebait... Admins has closed the new thread I started and making me look like a total fool..

Grrr.....

Now even genuine hardware discussion is censored

[Soulburner]

luihed my point was his results were reproduceable by anyone else with a Retail box version because he did not use the "ES" feature, aka unlocked multiplier. Yes its still an ES but it was effectively the same thing as Retial unless like I said, it was a superior sample, which is possible.

[Bravo]

Originally posted by Ragnarok
Well it seems my discussion on A643200+ vs P4EE in 2K1 has been banned @ OCAU for being flamebait... Admins has closed the new thread I started and making me look like a total fool..

Grrr.....

Now even genuine hardware discussion is censored

The admins are GB and Creative, something you fail to mention.

If your whining got on Creative's nerves enough to close it, I shudder to think what anybody else thought of the thread :lol:

[dim3z]

Originally posted by Ragnarok
Well it seems my discussion on A643200+ vs P4EE in 2K1 has been banned @ OCAU for being flamebait... Admins has closed the new thread I started and making me look like a total fool..

Grrr.....

Now even genuine hardware discussion is censored

i know how you feel, im not gonna point to particular threads but some people on OCAU are really ignorant. ive stopped giving help as i feel like im wasting my time there. what saddens me is this logic in the minds of many people at ocau:

ooo he has 15000 posts he must be right:rolleyes:

oh and btw fugger, i saw ure using the CAT4.1 drivers? ive heard that these are slow drivers focused more on image quality.... never tested them myself but did u actually get better results with 4.1's then 3.2's, 3.1's or 3.9's

[macci]

Soulburner, FUGGER hasn't been using 16x for a while now (the latest run is at 15x302). He got to 29.2k or so with 16x.
And there are two retail 3200+ (29.9k, 30k) and one 3400+ (30.4k) A64s above that score now.

16x at 4500MHz and above with 5:4 and 2-2-2-5 timings will get quite close to A64s thou.

[Soulburner]

I know but his original 29k result was with the default 16x which I thought was impressive.

[macci]

Yes it was/is impressive but its still a bit slower than the A64s in the 30k zone ;)

[charlie]

Wonder how well the 3.4 Northie will OC?

C

[zakelwe]

Still thinking about this, on the OCAU thread they were mainly arguing about stock 3.2 EE v stock 3200+, so I would say the EE was slightly ahead.

But there is one problem in running at stock total MHz speeds for the EE which is the locked multiplier. You are stuck with 16x200 whereas the AMD64 3200 can be 250x8 1:1 rather than 200x10 1:1 of course and still be at 2GHz, so in that case the AMD64 is a lot better.

Out of the box the EE might be slightly ahead but when you take into account overclocking then the AMD64 edges it out, as the top of the ORB shows.

Regards

Andy

[JIDSTER]

EE is much better

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by JIDSTER
EE is much better
Instead of blurting out comments like this it would be better if you read the thread...

Its not "much better" actually...

[dim3z]

Originally posted by JIDSTER
EE is much better

coming from someone who bought PC3700 ram
EE is in fact no better, look at the orb and be enlightened

[Ragnarok]

well 24K score with an 4.1GHz EE falls into the n00b category if u ask me...

[Hallowed]

FUGGER:

Why not give CAT4.2's a try? Seems they're faster across the board in almost all apps compare to the later 3.x and 4.1 releases.

Congrats on 30K as well. :)

[FUGGER]

Thanks
last runs with this old driver, updated scores below.

I think I can take first place in 2K3

Also 5:4 runs have slightly lower car high/lobby high scores at a faster speed.

Highwaymans Aquamark3 is gonna be hard to beat.

[Minnyboy]

Originally posted by Ragnarok
well 24K score with an 4.1GHz EE falls into the n00b category if u ask me...

I'm nearly there with "just" a 2.6c & 9800pro....With OCZ Gold PC3700 as well....BH5's did a lot better though.

imo, if at stock, P4EE 3.2 vs AMD64 3200+, the P4 would win marginally....But if you put in the AMD64's unlocked lower multi's in.....different story...

AMD64-FX51 is in a seperate league....

just my :2cents:

[Geforce4ti4200]

well said everyone. both are more or less equal stock, but the price of a p4ee sucks. also the a64 with its 64 bits is more futureproof. good job on the 30k, fugger :) always nice to see more 30k runs. anyone think there will be 40k runs with socket 939, fx53 at 3.5GHz, and r420?

[r3b0rN]

geforce didnt u make a very unpopular thread about 40k not to long ago?

[Minnyboy]

someone seems to think that 40K is just one generation of CPU/GPU's away....

& keeps thinking that...That's over 5 different threads I've seen these same comments in...give it up already :stick: :stick:

Sorry to go off-topic....
gets to ya after a while.....:rolleyes:
NOSTRADAMEUS anyone??:rolleyes:

[Hallowed]

As... foolish as that belief is, 31K to 40k is actually less than a 25% increase in scores.

NV40 seems to have the stronger specs this go round (who knows which will be faster though) and Socket 939 should be good for 1000+ points.

Bit of a stretch, but we may see that number this year.

However something tells me FM will pull the plug on 2k1 and bring out yet another hopelessly Intel-biased product and people will generally stop caring.

By the way, I wonder who could get the highest score in 2k3? I mean the actual CPU test, since FM has clarified that the 'game' tests are for GPU testing exclusively.

[Soulburner]

They are pretty equal in the CPU test I think.

[eva2000]

Originally posted by Ragnarok
Well it seems my discussion on A643200+ vs P4EE in 2K1 has been banned @ OCAU for being flamebait... Admins has closed the new thread I started and making me look like a total fool..

Grrr.....

Now even genuine hardware discussion is censored LOL... you guys are hilarious.... you did read what Macci and Fugger said right ? :)

[Ragnarok]

yeah I did, he said A64 Retail is faster than P4EE retail..

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Ragnarok
yeah I did, he said A64 Retail is faster than P4EE retail..
That depends. At stock, no, the P4EE is faster than the A64 by a little bit.