nforce2 masters, i need your tips!!

[rlc]

ok, i have been into the p4 world long enough that i actually missed out the powerful and low price barton 2500... :doh:

two weeks ago, i finally bought a 2500 barton... (week 0344 i think, anyway, it's locked version). after reading some stories here and there about the nf7-s rev 2.0, i decided to give epox 8rda3g a try. paired w/ thermalright slk700 (tmd fan), mushkin pc3200 level2 and 2.9vdimm, 1.775vcore, 1.8v for the chipset i am only getting: 11x212 (fully stable) <-- 2-2-2-5

here are few questions.... i only want to hear from masters for some sure answers:

1. this board runs ultra 400 chipset, pci bus lock is auto?
2. this board stopped at 212 (anything above won't get prime stable), should i sell it and get another nforce2 board?
3. if the ddr setting should be adjusted, (i seem some 2-2-2-11??) will that help?

please forgive me, i am seeking for some quick answer, b/c i am just so busy w/ work lately and lack of time to spend w/ my lovely pc....

any help is appreciated! thanks again

:help:

[Techmasta]

Holy crap thats a good barton. 2-2-2-11 is recommended as it is slight better than 2-2-2-5 in some benchmarks.

EDIT
I reread and you said its locked. How did you get a 13 multi with a locked cpu when the default is 11?

[rlc]

Originally posted by Techmasta
Holy crap thats a good barton. 2-2-2-11 is recommended as it is slight better than 2-2-2-5 in some benchmarks.

EDIT
I reread and you said its locked. How did you get a 13 multi with a locked cpu when the default is 11?


oh §§§§... my fault... it's 11

:slapass:

[Endre]

With locked 2500 i would definately recommend you to get a DFI NF2 Ultra board, most of these do 240-260 FSB even without mods.

[rlc]

Originally posted by Endre
With locked 2500 i would definately recommend you to get a DFI NF2 Ultra board, most of these do 240-260 FSB even without mods.

ok, seems like that's the new trend... but does those dfi infinity board have different revision as the lanparty boards?

[Endre]

The Infinity is the same as the Lan Party rev. B but with less goodies. They should OC the same.

[STEvil]

L12 mod and then your 2500+ will fly past 212.

[Bennah]

Is the L12 mod hard to do? Have you got any guides on how to do it?

Ive got a locked 2500+ and its a pain in the ass....I want to test this DFI board I have and see if it lives upto its name and produces some high fsb's!

[Techmasta]

AFAIK L12 mod is only for 133fsb cpu's.

[Endre]

Originally posted by STEvil
L12 mod and then your 2500+ will fly past 212.
Not with 166MHz chip on NF2 Ultra400.

[G|-|oST]

Considering the chip is multiplyer locked, I don't see any point in getting a new board, DFI or otherwise. You won't be able to use the super high FSBs with an 11 multi on air cooling.

[sky]

rlc, what bios rev are you using, the latest?
i'm not running an 8rda but an nf7-s and just swapping the bios from the stock d10 to d18 gave me an improvement from 214 (max bootable) to at least 225 (bootable, but not stable, maybe more vdd will do the trick). so you might want to try that

[STEvil]

What CPU, sky?

I just L12 moded my cpu.. 10x235 stable so far.. whereas I was barely stable at 11.5x200 before...

[rlc]

Originally posted by sky
rlc, what bios rev are you using, the latest?
i'm not running an 8rda but an nf7-s and just swapping the bios from the stock d10 to d18 gave me an improvement from 214 (max bootable) to at least 225 (bootable, but not stable, maybe more vdd will do the trick). so you might want to try that

sky, i'm using the latest bios. but i am just thinking about the memory setting i am using, maybe when i change it to: 2-2-2-11 will help me reach higher?

thx sky and everyone else!

[Dirty_Punk]

try with bios 10 with cpu interface enable or try with your bios and cpu int disable
if you find that with your bios and cpu int disable you get more mhz then load bios 10 and set cpu int to enable ;)

[sky]

well this is the list of my components:
abit nf7-s rev 2.0 (probably week 16 2003 or earlier)
2x256 mushkin pc3500 level 2, running 220-2-2-2-11, @2,7v (2,83v real)
amd xp 1700+ jiuhb 0308 xpmw running 220x10 atm, did 220x10.5 no fuss and should do 220x11 aswell

and i had the cpu interface enabled all of the time - last time i tried upping it with bios d10 to above 214 it went cold - see threads 1 - Is my NF7-s dead??!!#$#$#@$% (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27628) and 2 - nf7-s bioschip size 4mbit?
(http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28548) for details on that ;)

so far my cpu isn't pin-modded - that will happen once i install my watercooling. so far i got it to 12x200 - with different ram & bios d10. 205 was the max with my old infineon ddr333 ram @ 2-2-2-11. with fsb 200 it was bootable at 2480 - but not benchable. but then again i'm only running a 300w psu that will be replaced with a fortron 530w some time when my mate in the us orders and reships them.

an interesting read about these bios vs fsb improvements is here (http://www.geocities.com/trats102002/home.html) . well he basically tests out the way the pinmod change from fsb133 to fsb166 or fsb200 changes the max working fsb onhis rev2.0 board. he works his way from i think d10 to d18, with d18 giving him the best results, whereas the improvement between running the cpu (default fsb133) as a default fsb166 and fsb200 cpu were pretty small, but could still be made out as such. but this is all tested on an abit nf7-s rev 2.0 - but, and that's just my opinion, it should work for you, rlc, the same way. if you have an fsb133 cpu, you might want to think about the pinmod or the l12 mod - there's a good thread on that around here (running fsb166 cpus on high fsb) (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6934) and the l12 mod here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15300)

/edit inserted the link to the pinmod plus bios vs fsb test

[Cap_Hook]

G|-|oST is right.., if the CPU is locked you don't need a mobo that reach high FSBs.

[sky]

well you know .. 220 isn't that high and at 11x it still would give him 88 mhz more, plus a good deal better memscores. or if he could get it to 225 that would even be better (+143 mhz). and btw.. i'm still on air aswell. 2480 has been on air with an slk900u plus an 80mm ystech fan (...255-b2a) plus a couple of 120's to cool the mosfets and the vc gpu and ram. - temps around 55°C.

[Dominos]

forget prime and see where it stop without being stable in Prime. If you then want to test stability try SuperPi 32M, just as good as Prime95, the main reason I prefer SuperPi is that my rig isn't stable in Prime even at maxed volts and stock settings. I even managed it to pass 32M at 12x212 with onlu 1.92v so my tip is: Forget Prime, see where the board stops without being stable, try the highest 32M passes then work your way up to where the board stopped.

[rlc]

thx guys; what about the pci lock issue? this is auto locked?
or will the agp bus be the one that's adjusting the pci bus as well?

[Drisler]

on nforce2 PCI is half of AGP. Increasing AGP will also increase the PCI bus frequency. Both are independent of FSB.

[G H Z]

2-2-2-11 will usually give about 25 more Sandra memory scores, (synthetic bench). So based on that many people run those timings exclusively for NForce 2 MB.

I would try that or 2-2-2-6 to see what you memory is doing on the Epox. 220mhz should be easy with that memory. The Epox boards made some crazy high FSB speed's early and were really the preimier NForce2 board before the NF7's, but it might require a few mod's......VDIMM being the first I would recommend if you really want to get it running faster.

I don't know what cfm the tmd fan is but if it's over 45cfm and closer to 80cfm then run the vcore at 1.8 to 1.85, (slk700 lapped and AS5), keep temp's under 45°

Right now with your setup, I think that is what is limiting your overclock.

[STEvil]

They arent too bad once you've kicked them around a bit.. :rolleyes:

Im almost considering redoing my VDD mod for 2.0v, running a line directly to the VDD mosfet to stabilize it (mine bounces about .04v) and maybe tearing off my big mosfet heatsink and running +5v lines to them... ;)

hmmm.

EDIT

Should mention this was at 10.5x234 2-2-2-5-1T with dual sided dual channel BH-6's at 3.1v!

[KODE]

Originally posted by Endre
Not with 166MHz chip on NF2 Ultra400.

I asked about the Barton and L12 mod once and people told me the L12 mod is needed just for the 133FSB CPUs. Will the L12 mod also help me with the Barton?

I'm asking this because I just swapped my 1700+ T-bred B with a 2500+ Barton, they clock almost the same (2.68 and 2.65GHz respectively) but strangely the Barton won't run the FSB as high as the T-bred did (T-bred was L12 modded).

Regards, KODE.

[ricjax99]

The L12 mod wont help a barton period ;)

[Endre]

166FSB CPUs behave the same on the "old" nForce2 (NF7 1.x has it) as 133 on Ultra400. You will have to cut the L12 bridge and mod it to 133FSB to reach high FSBs.

It won't help you since you have NF7 v2.

[KODE]

Thanx fellas.

[rlc]

does anyone here know the difference between DFI ultra infinity and ULTRA-AL boards?

thx!

[Drisler]

The ULTRA-AL is a lite version of the LanParty A. The Infinity is the illegitimate love child of the same union that spawned the LanParty B. :D

The differences between them are many. The only one you'd be interested in is that Ultra-AL lacks many of the overclocking features that make the Infinity & LP B great boards. I've seen a few people at amdmb do 210ish with them.

[All4AMD]

i didn't do the L12 mod and i can hit 220 on my fsb with my barton and tbred b

[STEvil]

Try for 230+

[TheDogFather]

Then when youve finished messing around, try for 250. ;)

TDF.

[rlc]

Originally posted by Drisler
The ULTRA-AL is a lite version of the LanParty A. The Infinity is the illegitimate love child of the same union that spawned the LanParty B. :D

The differences between them are many. The only one you'd be interested in is that Ultra-AL lacks many of the overclocking features that make the Infinity & LP B great boards. I've seen a few people at amdmb do 210ish with them.

thx for the info, sounds like this ultra-al is a junk...heheh

[R*r]

thx for the info, sounds like this ultra-al is a junk...heheh

i know that this is an old thread, just like to show you people what this junk mean :cool:
http://img43.exs.cx/img43/309/2617yv.jpg

:toast:

[tictac]

well this is the list of my components:
abit nf7-s rev 2.0 (probably week 16 2003 or earlier)
2x256 mushkin pc3500 level 2, running 220-2-2-2-11, @2,7v (2,83v real)
amd xp 1700+ jiuhb 0308 xpmw running 220x10 atm, did 220x10.5 no fuss and should do 220x11 aswell

and i had the cpu interface enabled all of the time - last time i tried upping it with bios d10 to above 214 it went cold - see threads 1 - Is my NF7-s dead??!!#$#$#@$% (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27628) and 2 - nf7-s bioschip size 4mbit?
(http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28548) for details on that ;)

so far my cpu isn't pin-modded - that will happen once i install my watercooling. so far i got it to 12x200 - with different ram & bios d10. 205 was the max with my old infineon ddr333 ram @ 2-2-2-11. with fsb 200 it was bootable at 2480 - but not benchable. but then again i'm only running a 300w psu that will be replaced with a fortron 530w some time when my mate in the us orders and reships them.

an interesting read about these bios vs fsb improvements is here (http://www.geocities.com/trats102002/home.html) . well he basically tests out the way the pinmod change from fsb133 to fsb166 or fsb200 changes the max working fsb onhis rev2.0 board. he works his way from i think d10 to d18, with d18 giving him the best results, whereas the improvement between running the cpu (default fsb133) as a default fsb166 and fsb200 cpu were pretty small, but could still be made out as such. but this is all tested on an abit nf7-s rev 2.0 - but, and that's just my opinion, it should work for you, rlc, the same way. if you have an fsb133 cpu, you might want to think about the pinmod or the l12 mod - there's a good thread on that around here (running fsb166 cpus on high fsb) (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6934) and the l12 mod here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15300)

/edit inserted the link to the pinmod plus bios vs fsb test


You need L12 mod ..... for that Tbred B & Official D10 bios

Official Bios
-----------
D10 + L12 mod should have no problem with High FSB

D11 to D27
L12 mod will only help Multiplier Lower than 10.0
10.0 & higher .... no way to run it on high FSB even with L12 mod

P/S : this is the conclusion i get from ABIT Official bios... :D
Modded bios.. it is different story then ;)

[tictac]

ok, i have been into the p4 world long enough that i actually missed out the powerful and low price barton 2500... :doh:

two weeks ago, i finally bought a 2500 barton... (week 0344 i think, anyway, it's locked version). after reading some stories here and there about the nf7-s rev 2.0, i decided to give epox 8rda3g a try. paired w/ thermalright slk700 (tmd fan), mushkin pc3200 level2 and 2.9vdimm, 1.775vcore, 1.8v for the chipset i am only getting: 11x212 (fully stable) <-- 2-2-2-5

here are few questions.... i only want to hear from masters for some sure answers:

1. this board runs ultra 400 chipset, pci bus lock is auto?
2. this board stopped at 212 (anything above won't get prime stable), should i sell it and get another nforce2 board?
3. if the ddr setting should be adjusted, (i seem some 2-2-2-11??) will that help?

please forgive me, i am seeking for some quick answer, b/c i am just so busy w/ work lately and lack of time to spend w/ my lovely pc....

any help is appreciated! thanks again

:help:


1 Yes
2 Vdd Mod & Vdimm mod
3 Tras : 11 = Bigger Bandwith 5 = fast latency

[Tony420]

1 Yes
2 Vdd Mod & Vdimm mod
3 Tras : 11 = Bigger Bandwith 5 = fast latency


Dont forget the vtt tracking mod :p:

[CTKP]

Dont forget the vtt tracking mod :p:
Well lets all not forget this thread is over a year old :horse:

and now im only adding to it...see what you made me do? :zombie:

[Tony420]

well tictac posted I felt obligated :rolleyes:

[tictac]

:slap: R*r

:hehe:

[Tony420]

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_popcorn.gif

[austinbmxnig]

i have some g.skill LE and a 2600 mobile as well as a NF7-s rev.20 and the highest fsb i've gotten so far is 250, any tips? i know its not the memory, im using the D27 Merlin CPC-OFF bios

[i found nemo]

rlc who's that in ur pic???

[dippyskoodlez]

thx guys; what about the pci lock issue? this is auto locked?
or will the agp bus be the one that's adjusting the pci bus as well?

there should be an option in bios that says AGP speed or PCI speed- pci speed should be 33, agp speed should be 66mhz. no more, no less. ;)

Well lets all not forget this thread is over a year old :horse:

and now im only adding to it...see what you made me do? :zombie:


Ahhh wtf. :slap: