Thermalright SLK-SP94 or SLK948-U? [Archive]

Liquid3D

02-05-2004, 10:35 PM

OFF topic: Wait did I read this right. You have a 2.4C which did 4020MHz using an SP-94? I've had two, and couldn't get them past 3800MHz even with 4.5C water-cooling? Have the batch number on that chip? Any benchies?

On topic: I would also recommend the SP-94, I did just get the SLK-948-U for review, however ;(although way late) and will be doing a side by side w/948 and SP-94 da-morrow;

st0nedpenguin

02-06-2004, 12:43 AM

Damn, all I get in the mail are bank balances and credit card offers. :D

Liquid3D

02-06-2004, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by st0nedpenguin
Damn, all I get in the mail are bank balances and credit card offers. :D
Do you need a Heatsink my friend? Email (keith.suppe@verizon.net) me.

Evil_Spork

02-06-2004, 11:10 AM

L3D, would swapping my AX-7 for an SP-97 help my OC at all? i cant afford it.. but im just wondering.

computerpro3

02-06-2004, 11:38 AM

i have a 2.4c that will do 3.7ghz stable with my sp-94 and 32dba fan! 3.8ghz stable for normal windows stuff, but nothing else. I am expecting 3.8ghz when I mod my psu. My temps at 3.7ghz and 1.725v are 31C idle to 42C load with a 23C case temp.

Stang_Man

02-06-2004, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
L3D, would swapping my AX-7 for an SP-97 help my OC at all? i cant afford it.. but im just wondering.

not really..

i've found that it'll just give a lower temp... but not enough for a change in speed

Originally posted by Liquid3D
OFF topic: Wait did I read this right. You have a 2.4C which did 4020MHz using an SP-94? I've had two, and couldn't get them past 3800MHz even with 4.5C water-cooling? Have the batch number on that chip? Any benchies?

4.02ghz was stable enough for screenshot..

check the 3dmark2001 link in his sig.. that speed was 100% stable on air. didn't even give that much vcore to it either

orian's got an amazing chip

computerpro3

02-06-2004, 12:43 PM

hey orian, are you having the same issues as me running the ram at 5/4 divider? We have the same chip, ram, and mobo and while I can go to 3.8ghs for windows crap on air with the 3/2 divider, I can't do over 3.4ghz for dual channel. hoping modding my psu helps...what psu are you running and what are your lines? Thanks

st0nedpenguin

02-06-2004, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Liquid3D
Do you need a Heatsink my friend? Email (keith.suppe@verizon.net) me.

Whoah, thanks for the offer Keith, but I'm pretty happy with my SP-94, which I bought mainly on your recommendation. :D

Well, typical, I just point out how spam hungry my letterbox is on the day I do have something of interest coming, I took delivery of 100 Verbatim CD-R's this morning, not going to help my overclock in the slightest, but at least I can get anothere backup done.

I think a DVD-R/W is next on the list.

isp

02-06-2004, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Liquid3D
I did just get the SLK-948-U for review, however ;(although way late) and will be doing a side by side w/948 and SP-94 da-morrow;

Nice I'll look for that on your site if you don't post it here...

btw, I love how Thermalright heatsinks look like works of art.. I could stare at them all day :p:

Liquid3D

02-06-2004, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
L3D, would swapping my AX-7 for an SP-97 help my OC at all? i cant afford it.. but im just wondering.

In my humble (oh sure) opinion, temperature does make a differennce in Overclockability, longevity, performance. If one can lower the temperature one then minimizes Static Current Discharge, Electromigration, and Junction Capacitance. Of course the difference must be substantial. I have in fact acheived temps as low as 14C with a SP-94, and Vantec Tornado 84mm/84CFM fan. This was of course with windows open on a freezing night, so the ambeint was a cheat. It's akin to placing your PC in a fridge and running it. Point was, I had a hard time getting my 2.8C up to 3400Mhz, and with that combo I ran 3500MHz quite easily. So in that case the HSF made a difference.

And there should be a large difference between a SP-97 and AX7, HOWEVER; the larger difference would be buying the fan first! I'd purchase an 80mm/84CFM Vantec Tornado. That would really get that AX7 to it's full potential. Thermalright, like Swiftech, make some great heatsinks, but their based on the simple premise of large copper mass, colled by huge CFM fan, without the latter part of the equation these heatsinks really arn't that more effecient then Thermaltake's. Here's the problem: the AX7 doesn't takethe larger 92mm (hence larger CFM) fans. I don't know if it takes an 80mm, but then you have the pitch (noise) level on your ears. You end -up trying to "softent" the noise, and the dampening becomes insulation.

My final suggestion/s
1.) Get the bit AN7-mobo your DFI isn't the best overclocker.

2.) Get the ALx800 with 80mm/84CFM Vantec Tornado. Which I can possibly work something out for you on my review sample, or I also have a SLK-900-A. Email (keith.suppe@verizon.net) me we'll chat.

nailbomb

02-07-2004, 01:17 AM

Keith,

Can't wait to see your review. I've never owned a Thermalright product, only Swiftech stuff, but I am certainly real curious how the SP-94 would do head to head aginst my 478-V. Alas, lots of other stuff to buy before I get a new heatsink.

saaya

02-07-2004, 01:48 AM

theres a way to make those heatsinks perform nicely without the noise. look for a 92 to 80 or even 120mm to 80 fan adapter :)

keep us updated on that alu-copper mixed heatsink, looks interesting.

nailbomb

02-08-2004, 12:35 AM

Hrm, who sells a 120 to 80mm? :)

I wouldn't mind trying a big honking 120 PanaFlo on my 478-V

saaya

02-08-2004, 01:03 AM

in the us? no idear...
http://www.jes-computer.de/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=146_70&products_id=13844
this is where i bought mine...
will get it some time next week

Drisler

02-08-2004, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by Liquid3D

And there should be a large difference between a SP-97 and AX7, HOWEVER; the larger difference would be buying the fan first! I'd purchase an 80mm/84CFM Vantec Tornado. That would really get that AX7 to it's full potential. Thermalright, like Swiftech, make some great heatsinks, but their based on the simple premise of large copper mass, colled by huge CFM fan, without the latter part of the equation these heatsinks really arn't that more effecient then Thermaltake's. Here's the problem: the AX7 doesn't takethe larger 92mm (hence larger CFM) fans. I don't know if it takes an 80mm, but then you have the pitch (noise) level on your ears. You end -up trying to "softent" the noise, and the dampening becomes insulation.

There IS a large difference between those two heatsinks.

I agree on the 80mm Tornado ...along with a Fan controller. Also I have both the 92mm & 80mm versions of this fan. The 80mm performs BETTER at high and medium fan settings, while the 92mm ties with the 80mm at low fan speeds.

My final suggestion/s
1.) Get the bit AN7-mobo your DFI isn't the best overclocker.

2.) Get the ALx800 with 80mm/84CFM Vantec Tornado. Which I can possibly work something out for you on my review sample, or I also have a SLK-900-A. Email (keith.suppe@verizon.net) me we'll chat.

The DFI is the best overclocker...if not best, definitely better than the AN7.:)

SVC sells the 900A for like $29 last time i checked. That's a great heatsink itself. I usually recommend that people with DFIs should go with that..as the SLK-9xxU & SP-97 have issues with these boards. One would have to order a custom X plate or modify the one that comes with it.

Soulburner

02-08-2004, 11:53 AM

I would definetely never recommend the AN7 to anyone....

saaya

02-08-2004, 11:56 AM

tsss an7 is worse than the nf7!

Liquid3D

02-09-2004, 12:49 AM

Why what's wrong with the AN7 please don't say this I just recommended my little cousin buy the AI7 over the Asus P4c800E-Deluxe because he's a first time overclocker?

The P4C800E-Deluxe over/under-volts on the Vcore like it's on crack. And I thought the AI7 would be perfect for a Newb overclocker because of the Guru? My Abit IS7-E did 300FSB without a heatsink on the NB!

Or is the AN7 have no bearing on the quality of the 865 board?

blinky

02-09-2004, 01:00 AM

the AN7 is a poor clocker all around
its only new feature really is uGuru which is only useful for seriosuly n00b overclockers. [/my 2 cents]

hey liquid3d if ya got spare heatsinks, i just might have a need for one :)

Soulburner

02-09-2004, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Liquid3D
Why what's wrong with the AN7 please don't say this I just recommended my little cousin buy the AI7 over the Asus P4c800E-Deluxe because he's a first time overclocker?

The P4C800E-Deluxe over/under-volts on the Vcore like it's on crack. And I thought the AI7 would be perfect for a Newb overclocker because of the Guru? My Abit IS7-E did 300FSB without a heatsink on the NB!

Or is the AN7 have no bearing on the quality of the 865 board?
AN7 is Nforce2 for AMD and AI7 is 865PE for Intel...

N=Nforce
I=Intel

And yeah the AI7 is a really good board....the AN7 is not.

nailbomb

02-09-2004, 03:20 AM

Keith,

When are you going to post the review?

Man, I wish I had the cash for the SP94.

Liquid3D

02-10-2004, 06:46 AM

It'll be done by tomorrow, right now I'm finishing up a DP-102 review, which is really late. I had to put together a AMD rig to test it, and the ALX800. With the SLK-948-U I have to remove the current chip from my Asus P4C800E-dlx, as it's IHS is removed, and remove the RBX! So I have open the case window behind the slide out mobo-tray. Thank God I have this case, or I'd have to take everything out. This way I can leave the Z-chipset on the NB, place the RBX on a towel, and mount the SLK-948. A lot of work if you ask me, but it must be done. I wonder if there are reviewers who would just post temps, and claim they did the review? There's been a few I've read which seemed shady.

Here's the test rig I'll be using for ALX800, right now the two headed monster (DP-102) is on there, hehe.

HMB

02-10-2004, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by Liquid3D
It'll be done by tomorrow, right now I'm finishing up a DP-102 review, which is really late. I had to put together a AMD rig to test it, and the ALX800. With the SLK-948-U I have to remove the current chip from my Asus P4C800E-dlx, as it's IHS is removed, and remove the RBX! So I have open the case window behind the slide out mobo-tray. Thank God I have this case, or I'd have to take everything out. This way I can leave the Z-chipset on the NB, place the RBX on a towel, and mount the SLK-948. A lot of work if you ask me, but it must be done. I wonder if there are reviewers who would just post temps, and claim they did the review? There's been a few I've read which seemed shady.

Here's the test rig I'll be using for ALX800, right now the two headed monster (DP-102) is on there, hehe. I really hope you test out the HSF with the mobo standing up so that the heatpipe in the HSF is horisontal. Not much of a test if you dont ;)

nailbomb

02-10-2004, 06:57 AM

"I wonder if there are reviewers who would just post temps, and claim they did the review? There's been a few I've read which seemed shady.

I've often wondered that as well....

st0nedpenguin

02-10-2004, 12:25 PM

*whisper* [H] *whisper*

LilGator

02-14-2004, 02:07 PM

I have a NF7-S, a SP-97 would def. be my best option then ?

Drisler

02-14-2004, 02:09 PM

Yes ....Just give it good airflow.

Peen

02-17-2004, 03:34 AM

Oh man, I could really use on of those! I got a couple vantec tornados just sitting here doing nothing. lol I O/C with a Zalman 5700CU!!!!!

Liquid3D

02-17-2004, 05:41 AM

Well I finished the Dp-102 review, and I originally had it DP-102 Vs ALX800, primarily because I wanted to kill two birds with one motherboard. Then I realized it was shoddy work. The heatsink shave nothing in common to justify a comparison. The Aerocool is an all copper radiating tower, costing between $50 and $65 and is for Intel or AMD.

The ALX800 is a budget heatsink. made of Aluminum, and copper and only for AMD. So I'm now seperating the two, and will most like review both the SLK-948-U, and ALX800 just as Thermalrights newer offferings.

By the way soul... I understand the difference in the Abit boards, I was concerned whatever negative traits were found in the AN7 may have also been in the AI7. No matter, I got the board last week, and will be installing it today.

saaya

02-17-2004, 07:28 AM

ahhhh look at that little card :D perfectly fits the mobo color

celemine1Gig

02-17-2004, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by saaya
ahhhh look at that little card :D perfectly fits the mobo color

Could it be a Soltek Nforce2 board with a Chaintech Geforce 4 Ti 4200???:confused: :D

Liquid3D

02-17-2004, 10:42 AM

The DP-102 review is fini, and I think your going to be shocked by this "tower" cooler's abilities; http://www.ksbrainstorms.com/index.php?pagename=AeroCool_DP-102
It's an amazing piece of engineering. I'd feared it would be "gimmicky," but after using it, I'm truly amazed!

And have you seen their HT-101 (http://www.aerocool.us/cooler/HT101.htm) heat-pipe cooler. It's the only design I've ever seen which eschews fins in favor of pure heat-pipes, cooled by a fan. I'd call it a purist approach, splendiferous if I dar say. :p:

OH by the by, the VGA card I used there is the SiS Xabre-400 which is featured in saaya's OC Competitiion, which I have no chance of winning? I'm going to place the entire motherboard (as shown) outside on my window ledge (which will be very easy!) once temps drop below -10F/-23C again. Just for feces and giggles, as they say. Even then I'm sure the hardcore OC'ers here will do something insane, to grab this contest by the capacitors hehe.

eagle101

02-18-2004, 05:36 AM

sp94 what is it ?where is it????

Liquid3D

02-18-2004, 08:56 AM

Are you serious, or where's my comparison of it? I'm going to do the ALX800 and SLK-948-U. I've finished the ALX800 part, but I was going to compare it to the DP-102, then I realized, why? They're completely different animals. Anyhoo here's a picture below of the Thermalright SP-94 considered the best heat-pipe cooler for P4 on the market, and I guess they're SP-97 for AMD holds that title too.

http://www.ksbrainstorms.com/index.php?pagename=Thermalright_SP-94_Review

G|-|oST

02-19-2004, 06:19 PM

so did SP-97 kick ass on the DP-102?

Liquid3D

02-21-2004, 10:07 PM

That's the SP-94,and unfortnately I had problems with the mounting harware. I am however working it out and in the morning will be commencing a thre way (sounds kinky) between SP-94, SLK-948-U, and DP-102, all on the Asus P4C800E-dluxe. An orgy of copper. In fact that's what I'm naming the review hehe. The manufacturers should love this one. Probably never get another sample hehe.

nailbomb

02-22-2004, 12:28 AM

Man, I wish I had the cash for some of these new toys, I bet a Thermalright would solve my P4PE problems.

Liquid3D

02-22-2004, 06:47 AM

Email me perhaps I can help. Liquid3D@madshrimps.be

:)

nailbomb

02-22-2004, 07:01 AM

Very gracious of you :) I''ll be in touch. And its certainly one way to test my mouting pressure theory. Also, I have the board running on a bench right now, so it will make installation easier....

mrflushysheaven

02-24-2004, 05:07 PM

while we're talking about heatsinks which way do you guys turn your fans? blow or suck?

nailbomb

02-26-2004, 03:06 AM

Have you guys seen that Thermalright is going to have a new NB cooler? The NB1. Anyone know anything about this little doodad?

Liquid3D

02-26-2004, 05:11 AM

I'll let you know ASAP

mrflushysheaven

02-27-2004, 04:38 PM

i found it
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thnb.html

Liquid3D

02-27-2004, 09:03 PM

The fan's CFM is 11.80CFM. Does anyone know how this compares the other models? More/less powerful? The most powerful? How about compared to MAX-3 on Abit's for example?

EDIT: unfortunately it's aluminum. Thermalright is obviosuly now equipped to machine in aluminum with the release of the ALX800, however; for the unit's size copper would be much more prudent. Cost to cooling ratio would beg copper's use?

Hell for that weight 925-Sterling would be acceptable? I'd pay for a Hetasink ready for Alderwood/Granstdale, maybe even Canterwood? Think of the overclocking benefits with a 25CFM fan?

Maybe I should get into some Silver products? If I would consider saving for a 925-Sterling water-block (NB or CPU) or heatsink for NB, then I know others would? SIlver offers an 11% increase in thermal conductivity over copper, which may not seem like much, but think of the price ratio for a new Phase change system, over a high-quality CPU H20 system?

http://store6.yimg.com/I/sidewindercomputers_1782_2672102

The NB1 only weigh's 70g's which is only 3-oz's. I'd say the cost would be negligeable considering silver isn't much heavier then copper. Only about 3%.

nailbomb

02-28-2004, 06:20 AM

There's a review of the NB1 over at Systemcooling.com. It seems to compare favoribly with the MCX159 if you can believe that. Interesting.

nailbomb

03-12-2004, 05:43 PM

Hrm, has anyone used the SP-94, or SLK948-U with a Panaflo 92mm Medium? If so, what kind of results did you get? I am wondering how well these 2 products perform in a 'quiet computing' environment.

Liquid3D

03-12-2004, 06:22 PM

What's the CFM on the Panflo?

nailbomb

03-12-2004, 06:43 PM

48CFM at 30db. Not bad :)

Liquid3D

03-12-2004, 07:27 PM

I've tested the 80mm/52CFM Areocool X-Blaster on the SLK948, it's in two reviews I wrote. I'll finish them up right now, and publish them. Be back soon.

nailbomb

03-12-2004, 10:19 PM

Sounds good man :)

nailbomb

03-14-2004, 12:34 AM

Looks like Keith has posted his first review:

http://www.ksbrainstorms.com/index.php?pagename=Thermalright_SLK-948-U

Check it out :)

Are the Aerocool results in "Part II"?

Those numbers looks great with the Insano Tornados, to be sure!

OC_Newbee

04-06-2004, 05:56 PM

Man last night I just drop my SLK-900U when lapping it and that sucka is all mess up(everythink is all out of place). In need of another heatsink, which should I pickup? SLK-948-U or SP-94. Goosh I needed a heatsink too since I just bought this new 3.0C and was getting ready to install it but my stupid self saying to lap the heatsink first(like an idiot).

Rapidone

04-07-2004, 04:23 AM

Can anyone point me to a review of the SP-94 where testing is done with heat sink in different motherboard orientaions?

If my motherboard was mounted horizontally I would definately buy one, but I've seen no information on how they perform on a verticlely mounted motherboard.

HELLBOY

04-08-2004, 09:46 PM

COOL

jinu117

04-21-2004, 10:12 AM

how the hell did u mount the bottom screws on DP-102 from back pane? Components do block way when I tried (thus the returning despite I preferred the temp of SLK-900u). That screw you got doesn't look like what came with it too?

PS) NM... just read ur review. Too bad anyone who wants dual fan setup is stuck with having to look for unorthodox screw. Awesome cooloer but too much pain for me.