MY new 9600XT

[bigZ]

Well I finally got around to benching it over the weekend, fresh install of win2k with directX8.1

I've hit 640+ core thru some tests, but I couldn't hit it for some reason when I was playing with it on this instance, the max I could hit was 622 :confused:

That was with the same mounting of the GPU block, I've not removed it :(

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7509317

Just shy of 16k when I had to stop due to commitments to Alcohol :D

How much can I expect from this core after volt mods with my current cooling? I'm thinking that 16.5k won't be too far away if I can get it to run at 640 core again.

[bigZ]

and a couple of pictures, it doesn't have sammy memory on it, can anyone tell me what it is?

Code is:
HY50U283222
AF-28 330A

http://www.whos-j00r-daddeh.net/overclocking/r9600xt1.jpg

http://www.whos-j00r-daddeh.net/overclocking/r9600xt2.jpg

[Kunaak]

your lucky, mine that came in today won't even do 520 mhz on the core :(

[bigZ]

Originally posted by Kunaak
your lucky, mine that came in today won't even do 520 mhz on the core :(

eeek that's pretty shocking!

I was clocking it up and thinking 600 would be nice, kept going up and up, got to 620 and it was still running artefact free, and I was gettin rather excited, then it ran thru drago low and hi back to back at 642, 643 hard locked towards the end of drago hi. I was pretty chuffed by this stage, but then when it wouldn't clock as high I got a bit upset, was getting annoying that I'd lost 20Mhz on the core from nowhere :(

[SPQQKY]

Sound like what happened to my 8500LE a couple of nights ago. Got it to run 322/303 and after a few runs I was pretty psyched to get a great score, then it wouldn't do 305/300 and then. . . poof, it died on me without even modding the card. Careful with those ATI cards, had 4 of them die on me, 2 were never overclocked.

[dim3z]

the chips appear to be hynix chips

quote:
"HY50U283222
AF-28 330A"

lol it has but "28" and "33" in those codes but im pretty damn sure that its hynix 2.8ns memory.

[Soulburner]

Yeah looks like Hynix 2.8 to me but that would mean 700mhz clock.

What is the default?

[bigZ]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Yeah looks like Hynix 2.8 to me but that would mean 700mhz clock.

What is the default?

it's 500/325 default, so 650DDR, but I can only push to 340 :(

[kommando]

Tweak that os to §§§§e.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by bigZ
it's 500/325 default, so 650DDR, but I can only push to 340 :(
Sounds like 3.0ns then to me based on its default clock and its performance, but it could be 3.3 as well, sometimes they don't rate them for what they are clocked at (3.3 would be 300mhz for example but thats what that code looks like).

[bigZ]

I've managed to kill my 2800+ in the weirdest of manners, been having a power problem recently, and it was working this morning, went out to get some milk, came back and had a black screen, tried to reboot, and got nowt, 2500+ worked straight away when I tried it.

Shame, means unless I can get some huge card clocks, I'm not gonna break 16.2k, nevermind 16.5k. My 2500+ doesn't clock as high as the 2800+ :(:(

[f00t]

volt mod your mem for the love of god. these 9600's love mem volts. i got my, now dead, 9600pro 3.3ns mem to 360 with 3v and ramsinks

[Geforce4ti4200]

sorry to hear of your dead cpu. if you can gain just a few MHz fsb, itll easily make up for less cpu MHz. 218x11=2.4GHz is slower than 222x10.5=2.33GHz so my latest score of 16409 with my ti4200 obviously is at 2.33GHz! can you mod your mobo and vdimm? try to get 235x10 air cooled :) 16k on a 9600xt is just amazing. im trying for 17k with my ti4200

[bigZ]

I can hit around 2.55Ghz 3dstable with my watercooling (11.5x222), I can barely hit 2.6Ghz for superpi (it's suicidal style superpi 1m), more vDIMM might be an option, 230fsb seems to be my max fsb that I can achieve at any multi above 11. I might give 230x11 a run and see what happens. d10 doesn't work too well with my board, and it becomes very unstable (I've tried some of tictac's beta's, still the same problems).

[Geforce4ti4200]

wow sorry to hear. can you go back to the old bios and just get the highest fsb possible at 11 multi? pump 2 volts in ur cpu

[Dominos]

Why is it only my video ram thats any good! I'm starting to feel unique :D But 16.5 shouldn't be a problem, I'm shooting for that myself so, good luck to you mate ;)

btw my ram does 411 3dmark stable without vmods!

[Geforce4ti4200]

have you noticed for some reason alot of people get poor performance in car chase low? this costs a few hundred marks. car low should be at least 2.5x the fps of car high. I saw some guy getting like 65 in car high and like 180 in car low on a 9600xt. 100fps in car high should equal to at least 250 in low. I get over 250 in low on my ti4200 with 92 in high. with that out of the way, 16.5k is possible with a good car low run :)

[Kunaak]

all cards are different.
this cards slow cause of it's lack of bandwidth.
it makes up for it by speed alone.
it's like a cheetah.
skinny but fast.

[bigZ]

I thought my car low was quite good, lol...

I was gettin 197ish most of the time, then I seemed to hit a sweetspot and pulled a 203 out of the bag :)

edit: looking thru the ORB, the 9600 series tends to be around 2x the fps in car low compared to car high :)

[Geforce4ti4200]

your right but when I looked, I saw this guy:


http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7074253


I was under the impression low details was on a ratio to high details of about 2.5x high details. your over 30fps higher in high details but only about the same amount in low details. you gained 1fps in low for 1fps in high. I gain about 2.5 in low for 1fps in high on my ti4200

[bigZ]

He ran CarLow first, whereas I've run Car High first ;)

I found Car High to be the "flakiest" (sp) of the High quality benchmarks, and I wanted to have the boost of fps on the first test run on a High Quality test as they're worth more points.

AFAIK it's 20pts per fps as opposed to 10pts per fps on the Low Quality tests.

[bigZ]

By that reckoning, I got done out of one point! lol :(:(:(


203.4x10 = 2034
101.3x20 = 2026
256.1x10 = 2561
153.6x20 = 3072
233.2x10 = 2332
113.8x20 = 2276
84.8x20 = 1696
Total = 15997

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by bigZ
He ran CarLow first, whereas I've run Car High first ;)

I found Car High to be the "flakiest" (sp) of the High quality benchmarks, and I wanted to have the boost of fps on the first test run on a High Quality test as they're worth more points.

AFAIK it's 20pts per fps as opposed to 10pts per fps on the Low Quality tests.
Yeah but i've found that I gain 15fps from Drago Low first, which is 150 points.

To gain 150 points from Car high would be 7.5fps....how much do you gain?

[bigZ]

erm, I think it was around 6-7fps, IIRC I was around the 95-96fps mark

[Geforce4ti4200]

my car high never fluctuates more than 2fps. car low can fluctuate by 15fps. I can run drag first but drag is pretty gpu intensive so I only gain a few fps running it first but I lose it all plus alot more in the other tests. my trick is run just car low and high then view the results. bad run=reboot ur pc and try again. good run=run other tests and hope for good run ;) anyway 16k on a 9600xt is very amazing, nice work man. I doubt id get much past 15k on a 9600xt though

[bigZ]

I've gotta go for more, it's just working out the vmods, because unoid's guides don't seem to work for my card as I can't find the vregs he points out :(

[Soulburner]

Car Low can fluctuate by much more than that, it can be 20-30fps between good and bad runs.

[r3b0rN]

i keep hearing about fps fluctuating in that test yet it never happens to me, dosnt this happen with g4mx440's? or is it because i dont oc it much :)

[Soulburner]

It should happen to everyone, because of the randomness of the test. It is actually different sometimes if you watch closely.

[bigZ]

yeah my good run had fairly average peaks, but very good core fps (about 5-10fps higher than normal runs)

[bigZ]

Just ran 2k3 and was getting some major artefacting in MotherNature, what would cause this?

All of a sudden it just hit me when the fps drops down heavily after the initial bit looking at the water, prolly 4s in. Is this core clock or is it memory getting too warm?

However based around other people's scores I'd say my Nature was bugged by about 1.5fps.

[ojdr2001]

Got a 9600XT for my barebone and decided to run some benches. No mods on the card

3DMARK2003 - 4.937 marks (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2018528)

3DMARK2001 - 17.587 marks (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7527466)

Think I'll do some volt mods and attack 1st place on both:D :D

[bigZ]

What cooling are you using?

Nice scores btw :cool:

You inspired me to get my arse into gear in 2k3 and somehow I got another 20Mhz out of my memory.. I've still not added any ramsinks, gotta get my arse into gear and get the dremel out :)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2020766

I should have a higher 2k1 score over the weekend if these clocks are anything to go by :D

[ojdr2001]

Water cooling (water at 5º) on GPU and promy on CPU.

This weekend i´ll try it on my A64 (3000+) rig.

Can´t find any mods for Gecube:( :(

[bigZ]

nice, still using stock water here, no ice, no chillers, although I am in the market for a beer chiller from a pub, as I can make use of the loop in there as a way of dropping my water temps to around 1-3'C :)

I've not found any mods that will work on my card either, I'll post some images up of mine later to see if anyone can share their hand in helping me find the mods for it :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

17.5k is very sweet on a 9600xt :D nice nature score too! with mods it could be close for 100fps there. your ram bandwith is doing real good. dont get the a64 yet, wait for socket 939 mobos. you could get 19k or even 20k with mods and a high overclocking a64 :D nice to see some competition in the 9600xt field now! 20k is gonna happen soon enough too, as well as 23k on a ti4200

[ojdr2001]

I already have an A64(3000+):D :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

hope it overclocks good if its to beat your 4GHz p4 at 280+ fsb. also the 3000+ has half the cache of a 3200+ so another handicap there. before you mod it, see if that thing can beat your p4 at twice the clocks-almost :)

[ojdr2001]

my 3000+ can bench at 2850. I'm sure my P4 will be eaten:D :D

[r3b0rN]

a64 3000's only have 512k L2 Cache? damn...

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by ojdr2001
my 3000+ can bench at 2850. I'm sure my P4 will be eaten:D :D


a prometeia I guess? If this is air cooling...........:slobber: I know of no one that got past 2.6 on air, most seem to get around 2.3GHz but they probably dont know how to properly tweak. a good overclocker can hit mid 2.5 GHz

[ojdr2001]

yes pomy it is. Got 3ghz with this 3000+:) :)

[Geforce4ti4200]

nice overclock even with a prometeia! 300fsb is very nice. can you do 6:5? if not 5:4 is still 240MHz on the ram. oh you could pull some really sweet scores with a ti200, ti500, ti4200, etc :D cant wait to see those results

[ojdr2001]

My best result so far. No mods yet

18.047 Marks (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7534865)

3000+ @ 2800

[r3b0rN]

nice, try and get 3ghz 3dmarkable :D

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
nice overclock even with a prometeia! 300fsb is very nice. can you do 6:5? if not 5:4 is still 240MHz on the ram. oh you could pull some really sweet scores with a ti200, ti500, ti4200, etc :D cant wait to see those results
May as well just run 250 1:1, it will be faster than 300 6:5 I think....for AMD you really need to keep it in 1:1 mode.

[isp]

Meh just try both, see what's faster ;)

[Geforce4ti4200]

but if the cpus locked, 300x10 at 5:4 owns 250x10 at 1:1 and if 6:5 is available, use that! 18k is crazy on an air cooled 9600xt, bet you can pull 19k when your done modding. the ram helps more than the core for 9600 pro/xt too. 700/430 perhaps? 290fsb time 10 with 5:4 ram? 19k possible!

[Hobocrow]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
17.5k is very sweet on a 9600xt :D nice nature score too! with mods it could be close for 100fps there. your ram bandwith is doing real good. dont get the a64 yet, wait for socket 939 mobos. you could get 19k or even 20k with mods and a high overclocking a64 :D nice to see some competition in the 9600xt field now! 20k is gonna happen soon enough too, as well as 23k on a ti4200

This sounds great....I think I'll look into playing also....but, I prbly do it with Intel...yea!! this could be fun! :D

[bigZ]

if only I had a faster (newer) processor :)

I know I wouldn't be up to 18k, but I reckon 17.5k would be a possibility with an A64 at the same speed as my barton :)

I'll get round to re-benching 2k1 with my new found memory speed tomorrow I hope (sunday)

[Soulburner]

Yeah 300x10 would be faster but good luck benching at 3000mhz, only a couple people have done this and it takes more than your average cooling.

[r3b0rN]

like tweaked phase change? (WISH I COULD AFFORD A PROMMY!)

[Soulburner]

More than that, it takes a stable -80c on the evap at LEAST to sustain 3Ghz on one of those chips so far, until future batches come out and clock better.

[r3b0rN]

holy sh*t! well i still consider 2800mhz very impressive, you done good :P

[bigZ]

:D

16415: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7539049

Managed to get the baby to run at 632/370 :eek:

I dunno what I've done to my card but I've found 30Mhz mem clock from somewhere, lol :)

2nd Highest in my class from what I can see, Athlon XP and 9600 series card.

If only I had my 2800+, I'd have him for certain, can't get anymore out of my CPU, and can't get anymore out of my graphics card at the moment, oh well, it's time to add some ramsinks :cool:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7517652 is the top of my class, he's got 200Mhz on my CPU and a much higher fsb, but I've got much better card clocks, I'm gonna have to beat him with card clocks I feel. Its 56 points though, which is pretty much nothing.

edit: oops linked my compare twice :banana:

[Geforce4ti4200]

thats insane! 75 marks away from my new ti4200s score but then im only on air cooling with a tbred at 2.29GHz. you have a much faster cpu plus both is watercooled. gonna do any v mods?

[r3b0rN]

dont get to excited about the ramsinks, you'll only get an extra 10mhz, 20 if ur lucky...

[bigZ]

that's all Im expecting... but I think that should be enough to get 56 points seeing as the 9600's are starved of memory bandwidth.

[Wardie]

As my sig says.

My Sapphire 9600XT 256mb which actually has slower memory than the 128mb or so I was informed.

I manager to bench with
Core @ 590
Memory @ 351 (702)

I never pushed any further as the card is relatively new and im on stock cooling with only 2 fans in my PC aswell (CPU fan, video card fan).

More coming soon though :)

Next rig will be my first watercooled rig, cant wait.

[funktional]

I got mine to 700/365 which gives me 16044 points on my 2,4GHz Barton.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7512068

Voltages are 1.45 and 3.55V. The ram vmod isnt neccesary to get higher clocks, but it is needed to avoid artifacts. The higher the Vgpu and the gpu clocks are the more artifacts i got. Rising the vmem makes these artifacts disappear. When i go above 1,45V i get massive artifacts again and Atitool keeps on telling me that i have artifacts even at default clock frequencies.

Anyone with similar experiences?

[LilGator]

it's amazing how slow a 9600 is :)

[ojdr2001]

Funktional, any place to see how to make the volt mods?

Can you post some pictures?

I have a GECUBE 9600XT

Thx

[funktional]

Radeon vmod can be found here (http://www.unoid.net/9600pro/voltage.html)

Gexcube doesnt use the reference layout, finding the vmem mod might be quite hard but the vgpu mod for gexcube is there.

@LilGator
according to the 3dmark score its slow, my ti4200 was faster. But its quite fast in real games. so much about "The Gamers' Benchmark, combines DirectX®8.1 support with breathtaking graphics, and continues to accurately provide benchmark results that empower you to make informed hardware assessments." :p:

[bigZ]

the 9600 kinda owns the Ti4200 in DX9 tho doesn't it ;) :p:

Gonna have another look at my graphics board to see if I can find the voltage regs on it. Might have a go at modding it :)

[LilGator]

yeah, I spent $160 on my 9500np about exactly 1 year ago :D I get 17K+ on a 2300MHz tbred, not really tweaked out as it should ... that was probably the best $160 i've ever spent ... I even get 4866 in 3DM03, of course this is with 4 more pipes enabled than the 9600 ;)

[tomz]

i didnt had time to read whole topic.
but i have exactly same mems on my 9800 and they do 410 without voltmods and sinks 100% artifact free. i guess vmod would help a lot.