First page or bust.....one spot to go and plenty in the tank :)

[k|ngp|n]

Well...thanx to chilly1, looks like I'll make my goal of first page 3d01 and maybe even more. Here are some shots of my bench setup running a shuttle an50-R and 3400+ on a chilly1 modded r507mach2 and a 9800XT on a chilly1 modded r507mach1. I'm at 255 1:1 2.8ghz 5-2-2-2 1.9vcore/3.3mem. At 1.9v,3.3v on the a64, this mach2 never drops below 52c@load on the display. I am able to run benches for as long as I want just about ..without the prommy getting overloaded. Before the r507 mod on the mach2, it would start choking and go as low as 35c @load on the display at 1.8vcore and up. My XT has gotten up to 613/445 with medium artifacting@ 1.94v/2.84v and I'm pretty sure it has a little more in it. The pcb is still cool to the touch at these volts/clocks. No condensation problems whatsoever so far... though I did cover the whole card in liquid electrical tape LOL.
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/2517856/44314555.jpg

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/2517856/44266907.jpg

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/2517856/44265012.jpg

[chilly1]

Nice insulating job.

[k|ngp|n]

Thanx chilly. This was my second XT as I learned the hard way on how to properly insulate the card :)
You couldn't have gotten the angle on that baker block any better. It fits so perfect and is so much more functional than I thought it would be. I really wanted this type of setup for benching and not having hardware all over the place. The card comes in and out very easy.
I was originally going to use spray foam to make a cooling head, but this turned out to be messy and took way too long too dry, so I just used the foam tape you sent me and it's working great
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/2517856/44269524.jpg
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/2517856/44269498.jpg
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/2517856/44269493.jpg

[wimpie007]

Looks real nice...
I just got to get me some phase change real soon... :D

[isp]

Looks like a well tuned setup :D

Keep working on it, you'll get there...

[k|ngp|n]

got a little more today without farking with the vid clocks or volts yet....so close
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/2517856/44318398.jpg

[charlie]

K|NGP|N

A few things, FIRST off congrats on a REALLLLY nice setup!
I think you should already be 29.5K...
A few questions,
1) Have you already tried one of the hacked 3.1 drivers that minnyboy modded??
2) Can you install Win2K?
3) Using WinXP, are you using a lot of optimizations?
4) How are you adjusting ATI control panel? Max Perf?
5) What's the bottleneck? Is CPU maxed or is DDR maxed?
Try more volts on DDR to go 260ish, with that cooling you should go 2900+ 3d benchable.
6) Try crystalcpuid, 10.5multi, and try to run 1:1 at 270....
7) Don't be afraid of V on the 9800XT, with that cooling I'd go 2.1V

C

[Soulburner]

I heard half multis are sort of "iffy" on the AMD's...

[G H Z]

Damn nice scores.

LOL @green XT, but it's far better than killing another one. Very clean, workable, and most importantly a powerful bench rig.

[k|ngp|n]

Hey charlie,
thanx for the compliments. I was actually inspired by your bouts with athlon's :).

LOL It's funny that you mentioned the hacked 3.1's, because I am using the 3.9's now and I hate them. I used to use the 3.2's with my intel setup. I have been trying since last night to get minnyboy's 3.1's to work and I am having trouble. I followed the intructions to a tee and i keep getting an error once the actual installation starts that says " no video driver found" then it says "please install standard vga adaptor first" before continuing with installation.

If I try to install the hacked 3.2's install goes great and they work fine, but with the 3.1's, I keep getting that damn error.

any ideas? I was thinking of pm'ing minnyboy today to ask him about it.

I have all the xp tweaks done and I also have most of the unnecessary services shut off as well.
In ati control panel, I did have sliders set to performance.

This mushkin level2 3500 that I have will complete 3dmark at 270x10 with just under 3.47 volts, so there is no problems there.

I really think I could see a boost if I can get the 3.1's to work.

I'll start messing with the cpu clocks a little more today and see what it can do. 270x11 1:1 would be real nice :)


I have run 3dmark at 270x10 with this cpu and ddr

[k|ngp|n]

How much in score could I gain by switching to win2k? I always see top guys on amd using 2k.

[Soulburner]

+400 points.

[ricjax99]

Originally posted by k|ngp|n
How much in score could I gain by switching to win2k? I always see top guys on amd using 2k.

It will take you to 29K when tweaked properly.

Win2K, dx8.1 and your away :banana:

Put it this way, i never bench in XP since installing a 2K partition ;)

[k|ngp|n]

Well.....I have windows2000 installing as I type this so I guess I'll know soon. I am going to use the same hardware config on everything so I can see the difference in scores from switching JUST the OS.

[ricjax99]

If you do that you wont be able to try dx8.1 without reinstalling i think.

Give dx8.1 a go first then try dx9.0.

Or... you could just see what settings OPPAINTER uses ;)

[isp]

Definatly make a run with directx 8.1 before you install 9 to judge the difference 2k makes. To my knowledge it's extremely hard to downgrade directx and you would have to reinstall your os. You might not care about saving time or os installs but just so you know... :)

[k|ngp|n]

dx 8.1 is installed and I just ran a run at all default settings(Which I have a score saved from when I first built system with xp and cat 3.9) and I beat my score by 240 pts. with w2k and cat 3.9 like I had before. Car lo clocks werent bugged so it seems to be marked improvement. I really want to install 3.1's, but I am still getting those gay ass errors. I need to pm minnyboy to figure out what I'm doing wrong. I can make the others work(3.2, 3.x etc.) but not cat 3.1.....

[charlie]

k|ngp|n
The 3.2's are good, too. Even w2K, 8.1, 6307's is a great combo.
There was always just "a certain something" that I couldn't figure about my a64 setup, and I finished probably 750 pts. under where I should have been. Your vid card clocks should be BIG, that is some 1337 cooling. With 2.10V/2.95V you should go 630/460!!!! Seriously, I wouldn't be suprised if you give Stinger a run for his money @ 30K. The key is those CPU clocks, you'll need 2900.

C

[charlie]

Even my dog says you'll take out my score by this evening!

[k|ngp|n]

OMG charlie...your dog is awsome.....french mastiff?

Well, so far today i have gotten this chip 3d stable at 2849--259*11. I might have 2-3 more mhz left then thats it. I got it to where the OVP doesnt kick it off right at about 1.95v. I had to bump it from 1.92 to go 259 3d stable.

IM thinking about throwing a chilled wc nb cooler on. I have one sitting here collecting dust that would reach it.

I pulled out my phased xt and im just benching now with a stock9800xt with the stock cooler(the reinforcements in case this one dies too:). It looks so nice and shiny and nice compared to the gooed up one. These stock ones run hot as hell,no? I want to see what the limit of my cpu is first with clock adj in the bios.....then Ill use clockgen to see where the limits are multi-wise.

I am 100 points away from hitting 24k right now with the stock xt clocks...so thats good I guess. Before I installed 2k and bumped up the vcore a little, I was getting about 23300 avg on stock xt clocks so thats looking like a 600-800 point increase or maybe more with car lo bug.

[k|ngp|n]

Charlie, do you know how to turn this OVP off on the motherboard? 2v on this chip would probably be sweet. Is it even possible? I read a post by oppainter back about it or something I think. I'll go search a little.

[charlie]

Yeah,
French mastiff. Uber=cool breed! I like all Mastiff type breeds!
Not sure about OVP. On my FX-51 I ran up to about 2V, but maxed out at 2860 benchable. I think maybe your 3400+ is not the BEST overclocker...good, but not great. But let's look at what we have here, at 2840, 615/450, 1:1 259...2,2,5
That's 29.5K in the bag...with a BIT of luck and finetuning I still think 30K may be possible.
Make a banzai run at like 3AM with that cold Michigan air coming through the open windows....
When you have a 3D run lock up on you, where is it? Drago Low??
Do you have 3.2's installed?

C

[k|ngp|n]

The chip I have in now will go 259*11 1:1 ldt=2.5 all day at 1.95v and 5-2-2-2 3.42 and all other voltages at auto(raising them makes no difference)
When I go 260, it will crap out at car hi so i thinking it needs more vcore to go any farther..just a little should do it.

Im going to pull this chip out and start trying some of the others. I have three others to try still and I know one for sure will go 255 1.7v so thats pretty good. Should go farther than this one at 1.95 but who knows. The other two I have yet to try. This one thats in now might be at 260/1.95vcore limit.

[Techmasta]

Originally posted by k|ngp|n

Im going to pull this chip out and start trying some of the others. I have three others to try still and I know one for sure will go 255 1.7v so thats pretty good. Should go farther than this one at 1.95 but who knows. The other two I have yet to try. This one thats in now might be at 260/1.95vcore limit.

Wow thats a lot of chips.

[k|ngp|n]

I got a sweet deal. I only plan on keeping and actually paying for two tho :)

SO far one chip goes 259x11 stable all day, maybe 260x11 for one run or two. Another chip wont run past 255x11 no matter what and I'm about to throw in the third one and see what it does today. Should have a pretty nice score here by the end of the day. Ive been so damn busy...not much time for benching.
One of them I think is going to be the gem. It runs 3d stable at 259fsb at only 1.84v so far and it doesnt appear to be maxed at that voltage just yet.. ALL the other chips that would go over 255 needed 1.95 to get there...so this one looks like it will have more headroom when it gets maxed.

[bias_hjorth]

what chipset voltage are you running the xp3400 and mushi at? and whats your 3.3v.?

[k|ngp|n]

For right now, IM leaving all the other voltages...ldt, agp, chip...at auto. Seems to cause nothing but instability when higher.

Well, I finally made the first page:toast:
This is with a bugged nasty car lo, so with a higher car lo maybe a 100 or so points more.

I have reached a limit on the best cpu at 259X11 1:1 ldt 2.5 or ldt=2.5 271x10.5 via clock gen 3dstable. The latter combination got me my highest 3dmarkscore(23920) without the card clocks. 259 1:1 scores a little lower. None of these chips will run over 2860 with 1.95v...I wish I could get just a little more vcore. My temps on cpu are fine and really dont go up that much going to 1.95v...these chips are all sucky, 2 are really bad and won't go over 250X11 1:1 /265x10.5 via clockgen.

Im going to start maxing out the card now. I broke 190 today in nature with the XT at 614/445 and the cpu at 240 1:1 and cats 3.1's. I am not sure if the 3.1's are slowing me down at this point or not. This might be reckless speculation, but it seems like car and drag score are lower with them, but nature and lobby are higher??

Once I max out the card hopefully at 630-650 core and 450-460 mem ;), I'll start doing some runs with everything on full tilt. Should be interesting. My goals now are to get a run done with 271x10.5 ldt=2.5, forementioned card clocks, and car lo bug of course ;). Top 5 would sure be nice.

[charlie]

Yeah, your gonna' have a nice final score! Take a look at this, our compare:
1) Notice your terrible Car Low...
2) Great Car Hi run for only 2840mhz. Lotsa' CPU/System Power! My rig had a real rough time with the System tests and was pretty much crippled there.
3) Drago's - OK, a bit down 'cuz of the VC clocks
4) Outstanding Lobbie's! Again I had difficulty with drivers/Mobo/BIOS and could never run these kinds of Lobbies
5) Nature, good for those card clocks...will go up of course!

I tried 3.1, 3.2, 3.8, 3.9 Cat's and 8.1/9 but got tired of this rig before I put up the bIG numbers. A SK8V certainly would have helped me....

SO, Get yourself benching at 10.5 x 271, 2.5X, at about 620/450 and you'll have 29.5 in the bag. Find some extra juice in the VC/CPU and 30K is yours!!!

C

[Hobocrow]

I totally agree with Charlie....you're on the edge of going 29k+! :)

Take the VC volts upward...V slowly ( cause too far will always be too far) so avoid that ... up alittle and alot of testing! You're going to make me bench again, real soon!..... You're closing in! :)

[Hobocrow]

Originally posted by Hobocrow
I totally agree with Charlie....you're on the edge of going 29k+! :)

Take the VC volts upward...V slowly ( cause too far will always be too far) so avoid that ... up alittle and alot of testing! You're going to make me bench again, real soon!..... You're closing in! :)

Sorry, if I butted in...............didn't mean to! :)

Anyways, best to you and your ORB" attack!
HC

[k|ngp|n]

Ha.....thanx for the advice. Your not butting in :)......Unfortunately, I borked my second card last night when up around 2.14v. I am soldering up another this very moment.

Man, I can't believe my luck. I was at 625/445 3d stable with very little artifacting, nature scores were going up little by little. The highest score I could get before It got wacked was 191.5, but It needed 2.1v to do it. I don't think this card could take the jump from 1.96 /614 3d stable to 2.12 to get to 625 stable.
The card still runs, but it won't go past 594 with any sort of stability whatsoever. More volts=card locking now :(

I wish I would have just run one of those 191.x nature runs with the cpu clocks.....I wasn't expecting such a short exit on the XT.

anyways, it will probably take me about a day to get this new card all sex0r'd up and ready for prime time on the phasechange...so I guess your score is safe till then ;)

[charlie]

Originally posted by k|ngp|n
Ha.....thanx for the advice. Your not budding in :)......Unfortunately, I Borked my car last night when up around 2.14v. I am soldering up another this very moment.

Man, I can't believe my luck. I was at 625/445 3d stable with very little artifacting, nature scores were going up little by little. The highest score I could get before It got wacked was 191.5, but It needed 2.1v to do it. I don't think this card could take the jump from 1.96 /614 3d stable to 2.12 to get to 625 stable.
The card still runs, but it won't go past 594 with any sort of stability whatsoever. More volts=card locking now :(

I wish I would have just run one of those 191.x nature runs with the cpu clocks.....I wasn't expecting such a short exit on the XT.

anyways, it will probably take me about a day to get this new card all sex0r'd up and ready for prime time on the phasechange...so I guess your score is safe till then ;)

lol...
My score is "already" gone...
Your system numbers are so good, there's NO doubt you'll pass it! You should be thinking Stinger's score at 30K...

C

[k|ngp|n]

card woes.....

Got the new card on the prommy yesterday and the P.O.S core won't run any faster that 574/432 without going a minimum of 2.06 on the core. Thats ridiculous, the last one's core went 607 with only 1.93v. I didnt even bother trying to max it as I didnt want to waste any more time on it.
Got another one modded up last night up and Im gooing it up now, so we'll see what happens tonight.

This card looks a little different than the others and has different hynix ram chips on it than the last one. It has a higher voltage cap near the core, thats different in size and color too. There is a chip by the core that is different than the others too. It also came with two sets of serial numbers on stickers on the back of the card. All the other cards (3), only had the one sticker in the lower left bottom on the backside. There is another in the upper right corner on this one thats long and thin.

All of the cards I have used were BBATI.

[charlie]

Interesting you say that...I DO remember some saying there was a rev 2 that was not working well...hopefully this'll work better!

C

[Hobocrow]

Man 0 man! Just looked over my shoulder and saw this! :toast:

Congrats! :) Guess I'd better get off my backside! Again ... :toast:

[k|ngp|n]

LOL...Thanx. It's been hell with these XT's, but I finally got a winner. I think I'm going to catch alot of folks off guard in the next few days....this card can go farther than the score I submitted. I just am so paranoid that it's going to die before I get to my max cpu clocks so I am taking scores along the way, so to speak. I'm praying for very close to 30k by weeks end.....praying very hard ;)

[Hobocrow]

Originally posted by k|ngp|n
LOL...Thanx. It's been hell with these XT's, but I finally got a winner. I think I'm going to catch alot of folks off guard in the next few days....this card can go farther than the score I submitted. I just am so paranoid that it's going to die before I get to my max cpu clocks so I am taking scores along the way, so to speak. I'm praying for very close to 30k by weeks end.....praying very hard ;)

:thumbsup: Good for you! Go for the top! :)

[bigZ]

wtg man, congrats on passing 29k! :cool:

[zakelwe]

Good luck, hope things hang together and maybe you will hit the magic 30k.

All the best

Regards
Andy

[kommando]

Sweeet rig, good luck getting your goal (30 etc.)

[Zeus]

Very nice! :thumbsup:
Don't rush anything, just take your time, the pieces will fall into their places and 30K will be yours!

GL

[stestan]

:slobber: :slobber: Wow and heres me fighting for 22.5k :stick:

Nice work m8 and Goodluck with 30k:toast:

Can anyone help me get Cat 3.1 or 3.2 installed on my XT please;) Hopefully get me over 22.5k:D

[FlyingHamster]

srry for bumping this old thread.. but kingpin, did u ever get those hacked 3.1 drivers installed? and did u tweak win2k for that 30k score? if so, what are some good ones? congrats on 30k btw. :) :toast:

[k|ngp|n]

srry for bumping this old thread.. but kingpin, did u ever get those hacked 3.1 drivers installed? and did u tweak win2k for that 30k score? if so, what are some good ones? congrats on 30k btw
Yeah, I guess its a little old :P My x800 arrives tommorrow and it's going right on the r507 prommie after I mod it, so my 30k 9800xt score should be history soon.

I did actually get the drivers to work and Im pretty sure that's the main reason I was able to break 200fps on nature. Same card clocks with newer cats and winxp got around 196fps nature.

There was a problem with the 3.1's and after a few pm's, Minny boy updated them and they worked.

1. What I did was I first install the latest ati driver(4.2 at the time),
2. Then start to install the 3.1 cats like normal, but cancel the installation after it unpacks the driver file onto your hard drive.
3. Once you have the unpacked file(3.1) on your drive, follow minnyboy's instructions and copy and replace the files in the ati 3.1 folder with his modded files.
4. Then go into device manager, and update your vid card with the new modded 3.1's manually over the 4.2's that you originally installed. Just click have disk when it asks, and point it to the folder where you placed the modded files.
Reboot and check to make sure that the 6292's (3.1's) are the version thats listed in your driver properties.

[FlyingHamster]

oh ok, thnx. I will give that a try when u went to device manager, did u install the drivers for the 9800Pro and 9800Pro Secondary?

so the 3.10s and 3.1s are two diff drivers right? they dont perform the same either Im guessing? 3.1 > 3.10?

and last, did u do any tweaks to win2k? what are some good ones?

ps- that x800 shhould yield some interesting results to say the least... ;)

[Marquzz]

Originally posted by charlie
Even my dog says you'll take out my score by this evening!

hahaha!! Man your dog looks like Samuel Jackson!!! :D :D :D

[Pha_Q]

Originally posted by Marquzz
hahaha!! Man your dog looks like Samuel Jackson!!! :D :D :D

http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v48/nookie420/mwsig.jpg

inside joke, but everyone should know it.