Prescott is kicking ass.

[Hallowed]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13847

Prescott 3.2GHz | Northwood 3.2GHz
PC Mark 2004
PC Marks 5098 | 5059
Comanche 4 Demo
1024x768@32 bit 57 | 65
Quake 3 Arena 4
1024x768@32 bit 350 | 380
Aquamark 3
1024x768 44086 | 44334
Cinebench 2003
CPU Bench (secs) 78.8 | 69


At least 10% slower than Northwood and not overclocking so well to boot.

I wonder what Ed at Overclockers thinks now. :rolleyes:

[PyroTeknik]

at least it won my 40 points in pc mark :rollseyes:

[saaya]

kicking ass? 15% slower in comanche4 ...we will see how it behaves in other games. i bet it scores fast in 2k1 and 2k3 as intel is paying futuremark quite some money... :rolleyes:

[skate2snow]

They said its hard or impossible to do 3.8, in australia someone did 4GHz w/o much work and a vapochill(1C).

[Techmasta]

What does FUGGER have to say about this?

[skate2snow]

He cant, NDA;).

[tritium]

I dunno, those Prescott numbers look real low. I expected numbers quite a bit higher.

[retrospooty]

Uhh... Lets not forget tthe source... Inquirer ... Not known for clean unbiased news LOL

Wait for legit reviews before pressing the panic button.

[kromosto]

these scores are at the level where everybody is telling so i dont see any mistakes but this test may made by a uncompatible system like fugger told before

[CarpeDiem]

If this is true, how will this affect Prescott's sales?

[Hallowed]

Probably not much at all.

Tom will spin it however necessary to look superior. And plenty of fools take his word as gospel.

I dont put much faith into Fudo's articles, but they do seem to match others findings from around the web. Strangely enough its also slower at the one encoding test, however that is by far not the whole picture.

[caater]

Wondering if inq has prescott's L1 cache enabled?

[Craig]

Fugger may not be able to say much, but he could stop in and indicate where this report scores on a BS level of 1-10.

Fugger?

[Hallowed]

http://www.karmaslave.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/prescott.jpg

Just a joke. ;) :stick:

*edit*

Or maybe not.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11967 :rotf:

[charlie]

Stop it already....
Intel is a huge publicly owned corp that has stockholders to please, their stock is up and times are good. There is not a chance in hell that the Prescott will be
a) slower than Northwood
b) unfeasibly warm
c) low headroom.
This is the same basic core and process that will take Intel to 4.0gHz by Q4...4ghz in a closed OEM case in a stuffy office in Kuala Lumpur....I expect the Prescott to be 5% faster than Northwood, and more overclockable. 3.4 should hit 4.5 (screenshot) on stock Prommy m2...Under top notch phase change, Prescott will be benching 3D at 4.7ish, with some top OC'ers benching superPi/Pifast at 5+, even 5.3...The first 5ghz 3DMark run may very well be on a Prescott!

C

[Hallowed]

Originally posted by charlie
Stop it already....
Nvidia is a huge publicly owned corp that has stockholders to please, their stock is up and times are good. There is not a chance in hell that the 5800 will be
a) slower than 9700
b) unfeasibly warm
c) low headroom.
C

[charlie]

yeah...ok that's a given ;)

C

[freecableguy]

Just secured ANOTHER P4 Northwood - L310A677 to match my L310A744, these babies both do 3.6Ghz....I am betting these will be a HIGHLY desired CPU as soon as the Prescott is released. I love Intel and I will most likely buy a Prescott during first week of release but I am not getting a warm fuzzy from this proc.

-kris

[freecableguy]

hehehe.....69 (post count)

[tritium]

Hallowed, you almost made me pee myself.
What a great bit of innocent humor on a mid winters day:D :D :D :D

Charlie, you were just kidding on your post---tell me you were.

Some of yen's (pittsburgh talk) guys take this sh*t to seriously.

[Kanavit]

you guys remember the williamette, well if you do, history is gonna repeat itself real soon.

1.4ghz williamette socket 423 slower than PIII 1.4 clock for clock. Later on it went to new socket 478. Wlliamette became Northwood, and ramped to 3.4ghz on 130nm.

3.4 prescott socket 478 slower than P4 3.4 clock for clock. later on it will go on new LGA 775 socket. Prescott expected to ramp to 4ghz on 90nm.

[Hallowed]

Umm, kanavit, the Willamette wasnt hotter than the surface of the sun at its introductory speed.

But considering youre the head of Intels propaganda unit, feel free to think what you want.

[Kalway]

Originally posted by Hallowed
Umm, kanavit, the Willamette wasnt hotter than the surface of the sun at its introductory speed.

But considering youre the head of Intels propaganda unit, feel free to think what you want.

:owned:

Yeah, the fact that Prescott puts out over 100w of heat w/o overclocking it is definately a turn off for people like me. I also dislike the deeper pipeline :cussing:

[saaya]

i bet that a 90nm northwood would clock higher than a prescott... who cares about the 5% performence gain, if you could have a 90nm nortwood that ocs to 5ghz?

[Hallowed]

Seems the Prescott would obligingly run quicker if it werent for its heat.

Bet it will do pretty well with the right cooling. Problem is it needs at least 10% more clockspeed than Northwood to overcome its crappier architecture, at least with the current results.

Maybe the Feb 2nd Paper Launch will unveil some more uplifting news.

[Sovereignty]

Charlie everybody has said that it will be slower clock for clock than a northwood.

I think you're just still sore about the titans getting romped and you're taking out your frustration on legit information :)

[nailbomb]

I'm neither an Intel or AMD fanboy.

That being said, I wonder how many of these 'benchmarks' are being run with the L1 disabled. Probably quite a few.

And, do we 'know' for sure that the heat dissipation is 100watts?

[charlie]

Originally posted by Sovereignty
Charlie everybody has said that it will be slower clock for clock than a northwood.

I think you're just still sore about the titans getting romped and you're taking out your frustration on legit information :)

lol...
I thought everyone said it will be slower clock for clock than the Northwood EE...but considerably faster than NW 512K...

[Sovereignty]

I guess we'll all know for sure on the 2nd when all these awful NDA's expire. Everything until then is just speculation IMO.

[charlie]

BTW,
Pat's better win... I made a considerable wager...let's call it my "3.4gHz Prescott fund"

C

[Sovereignty]

Dont you worry. I have no idea how the panthers even MADE it to the superbowl, but the pats are gonna skin those cats :)

[charlie]

I gave 7 1/2 pts, though :D

C

[Geforce4ti4200]

if the prescotts are no better than northwoods, alot of people wont be getting those except xtreme overclockers for the MHz and the average joe who has no clue about computers and only cares about MHz

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by saaya
i bet that a 90nm northwood would clock higher than a prescott... who cares about the 5% performence gain, if you could have a 90nm nortwood that ocs to 5ghz?


I dont think so

The process is keeping the scaling back, not the core logic.
For all we know NW could do worse.

And i believe the inq meant 3.8 GHz on air

to get anywhere with Prescott, clock speed wise, they will need a core revision and not a small one

in 3D stuff i dont see Prescott outperforming northwood. It doesnt OC higher either, at this point the 3.4 NW outclocks the 3.2 Prescott easily

[saaya]

afaik prescotts problems had to do a lot with it beeing "more efficient"
the netburst architecture with its long pipeline is only performing well when the pipeline is full and busy, prescotts are using their pipeline more efficiently AND are using a more advaced type of hyper threading wich again makes it more efficient. afaik the pipelines have a few points that get hotter than the rest of the pipeline, so called hot-spots. prescott has more problems with those hot-spots as its more "efficient" wich leads to the pipeline stages having less time to "rest"

i dont know if the enlengthening of the pipeline was a workaround for the poor performing first prescotts or had been planned all the time, but i dont get why intel went with a new pipeline arrangement. i think they should have kept the basic arrangment/length of the nw pipeline instead of adding some stages... now the internal pipeline timings are all messed up and the better branch prediction and better hyper threading can only compensate the loss in efficiency in most cases.

i hope i can chat a bit with fugger in february, id really like to know more about how cpus work... guess hes not allowed to tell me though :D

[Iridium192_217]

Originally posted by Sovereignty
Dont you worry. I have no idea how the panthers even MADE it to the superbowl, but the pats are gonna skin those cats :)

If the Panthers can get pressure on Brady, it'll be a tough game for the Pats. Everyone underestimates the Panthers anyway.

[Happy^]

First i will say: Sorry all Intel freaks


I have to laugh! :D Slower then NW and more heat - can it be better ?! :p:

I think that AMD is going to have a great time :)

[PTK]

Blah, I would wait untill we see REAL benches with professional people before posting things like ^ that.

IF prescott sucks then both AMD and INTEL are §§§§ed untill AMD gets that new socket out [ same goes for Intel ]. When that new AMD socket is released i might wanna do some 64-bit action.

PTK

[Marine_1]

I think the new prescotts will be pulling 5 gigs pretty soon.

[Kanavit]

Hmm, I'm not sure if the i875,i865 chipsets accompany the prescott very well. Socket 478 is really a makeshift mobo (a temporary solution for prescott). The real potential of prescott should be revealed in LGA socket 775 imo. There you will find the Intel i915 Grantdale chipset which will support DDRII 533, BTX, and PCI express.

[Marine_1]

Also Happy^ these are only prelim's. AMD is already trying to get a new chip out that wont keep blowing up. Ask anyone who is oc'ing the new 64 how many RMA's they have had.

[Happy^]

Marine_1 ino, and i have some problems my self.

But nothing can change that Intel had to make longer pipes!

[saaya]

Originally posted by PTK

IF prescott sucks then both AMD and INTEL are §§§§ed untill AMD gets that new socket out

:confused: why would amd be fcked up if intel releases a crappy cpu?

and the new socket/chipset is a diferent thing! if prescott should perform better on a new chipset its the extra performence of the chipset thats making it faster, not the cpu itself is getting faster.

i think the competition between amd and intel hasnt been as balanced as it is now for years. both have cheap and great performing cpus out.

[PTK]

Originally posted by saaya
:confused: why would amd be fcked up if intel releases a crappy cpu?

I ment that either is a upgrade that i personally would even think about. The socket change is coming too soon on AMD and if prescots are worthless [ and i still think that they might be good ] then its time to change the mobo anyways. I had kind of AMD then intel, again AMD etc.. so guessing its time to check out AMD again... i usually changed sides if i had to change my motherboard [ oh, just remembered.. i did one VIA - nforce jump during the last time i had AMD.. but anyways ].

Ok, im bit tempted to test those 64-bit AMD's but gonna wait it out... since my rig isnt that bad either.

Now if they only would get that PCI-X mobos and graphics cards ready for my next big upgrade.

PTK

Ps. Just trying so hard not to order any more PC HW. :D

[saaya]

hehe same here :D i'll have a hard time when 939 systems get released