Damn winbond and their BH-5 !!!!!

[NapalmV5]

I was pulling my hair and just couldn't resist !!! Just placed order on 1gb mushkin 3500 level II at newegg. Guys, should i go with 1gb hyperx 3200 at zipzoomfly instead ?

level II = $299
hyperx = $280

[`schr0et]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-144-105&catalog=147&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1

My friend that is Kingston HyperX BH-5 stick right there!

New Egg 59 bucks each, can't beat that!

2-2-2-6 timings and Non-A marked sticks

For anyone thats interested in 256mb sticks of BH-5 there's some there if ya need.

hope I was of help.

But of course if you prefer 1 GB, don't go for the kingston I have heard problems of certain boards not taking their matched mems

[NapalmV5]

How does the 3000 do ?

59 bucks, damn could've had the 3200 for 62 but since Tedinde bought all of'em...........

[STEvil]

Newegg has a bunch of BH-5 in stock if you look at the specs.

"Limit 10 per customer" ;)

[Shade00]

Not all HyperX 3000 is BH-5. Some of the sticks are coming with CH-5 chips now.

The Non-A rule only applies to Hyperx PC3200.

[STEvil]

I was referring to the 3200 and 2700 with 2-2-2-5 1T timings.

2-2-2-6 2.6v is more likely to be BH-6, but can be BH-5... too bad its so random.

[Tedinde]

Originally posted by Shade00
Not all HyperX 3000 is BH-5. Some of the sticks are coming with CH-5 chips now.

The Non-A rule only applies to Hyperx PC3200.

I ordered some of those for a AMD rig 2 weeks ago, they are BH-5's and a good price. But i do agree they can be BH-6. If they are i've ran BH-6's @ 215fsb no problems a year ago.

Sold them 200fsb 222 timings. in a barton setup with a Epox board.

[NapalmV5]

"Newegg has a bunch of BH-5 in stock if you look at the specs."

A bunch ?

Hyperx 3000 ? 50/50
3200LL ? if v1.1
3500C2 ? if v1.1
Level II 256mb are gone

What am i missing ?

[Drisler]

Originally posted by NapalmV5
How does the 3000 do ?


Very Good.

I tested mine this afternoon in my Infinity.
I reached 245 with them without errors @ 3.2v

Keep in mind..that my pair are BH-5. Not all KHX3000 are BH-5, some are BH-6

[Speed_Mechanic]

HyperX PC-3000 is likely to have it, but no promises. Try to find older stocks to be safer (ie. instead of NewEgg - which moves stock very fast - try local shop down street).

HyperX PC-3200 Non-A - came only with Winbond BH-5 chips. Is getting costy.

Corsair XMS PC-3500 - Said to only have been assembled with Winbond BH-5 chips. Only few places have sticks in stock, and those won't last long. Costy.

Mushkin Black Level 2 PC-3200 and PC-3500 - Only Winbond BH-5 chips. Costy and out-of-production now.

There is no BH-5 memory being assembled anymore - it had been pretty much this way for a long while (with the lone exceptions of OCZ PC-3500 EL Platinum and Mushkin's Black Level 2).

[Anarki]

I am still utterly confused, lol.

I brought 2x256 HyperX PC3500 rated at 2-2-2-6-1 and i really dont want to void my warranty to find out if the chips are bh-5/6 or ch-5.

I also dont have a decent enough cpu to find out what the max fsb is that I can do with them.

Also may I add I brought the last kit, and there is none available anymore, period, so I may be extremely lucky and have had the last available bh-5.

Also noted every other kit now available is either rated at 2-3-2-6-1 or the HyperX PC3700 is 3-4-4-8-1.

Anarki.

[NapalmV5]

Originally posted by Drisler
Very Good.

I tested mine this afternoon in my Infinity.
I reached 245 with them without errors @ 3.2v

Keep in mind..that my pair are BH-5. Not all KHX3000 are BH-5, some are BH-6

245 @ 3.2, nice.

This is what i've ordered, http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-292&catalog=147&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1

Are these "Black Hi Perf Level II" cause no mention of "Black Hi Perf" ?

[Drisler]

Are these "Black Hi Perf Level II" cause no mention of "Black Hi Perf" ?

It's a Dual Pack. Mushkin Dual Packs don't get labelled "Black Hi Perf". It does not matter.

[Evil_Spork]

wow .. every other thread now is a "is this bh5"

i think we need a sticky with all this info in it..... this is getting old. (not flaming.. suggesting)

[NapalmV5]

Originally posted by Drisler
It's a Dual Pack. Mushkin Dual Packs don't get labelled "Black Hi Perf". It does not matter.

Oh...ok. Thanx Drisler.


MickeyM, sorry for starting another bh5 thread, did it outta frustration.

[NapalmV5]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
wow .. every other thread now is a "is this bh5"

i think we need a sticky with all this info in it..... this is getting old. (not flaming.. suggesting)

Evil_Spork, sorry for starting another bh5 thread, did it outta frustration.

You guys think 4 x 256mb hyperx 3200 sticks would be better than 2 x 512mb level II sticks ?

Since i wanna get 1 gig, 4 sticks would be more flexible, can use just 2 for benching, etc......

One last question, is the black level 2 pcb better than the hyperx pcb, can tolerate higher voltage ?

[Evil_Spork]

its not the PCB that will tolerate teh voltage its the ICs themselves.

i think the opinion is mushkin is like || much better than KHX, thats the idea i have gotten, but that little bit is negligable.. even how OCing is today.

i assume the 4 sticka is for an intel, so yes that would work fine. but still 2 512 is fine also. i dont think it will make a differance. AFAIK the canterwoods can run dual channel with 4 sticks.. right?

[`schr0et]

Posted by MickeyMouse:you got ripped/lied to M* "NO" pc3500 hyperx is 2-2-2-61 it is "ALL" 2-3-3-7-1 sorry and since "ALL" pc3500 is 2-"3" it can be CH-5 or BH-5 damm nhow many times and thread do we need to get this message out


ROFL gots to love MickeyMouse :toast:

[Grace]

Actually I would go for the HyperX Pc3000 if they are rated 2/6/2/2 which will be BH-6 most likely or BH-5 less likely. That is because BH-6 tend to stretch MORE than BH-5 at high voltages, hence I prefer BH-6 myself.

Now, if the choise is strictly between those 2 initially mentioned, I would get the Mushkin to negate the possibility getting CH-5 now or in the future after an RMA or the like.

[`schr0et]

Hm seems that Kingston HyperX 2700 have 2-2-2-5 timings with 2,6 VDimm

I'm thinking they might be BH-5?

Or could they just be CH-5?

[Grace]

Originally posted by PRanganathan
Hm seems that Kingston HyperX 2700 have 2-2-2-5 timings with 2,6 VDimm

I'm thinking they might be BH-5?

Or could they just be CH-5?

Most assuredly BH-6.

[snowwie]

hyperx 2700 is BH-6?

seems like a good buy then

but surely there is memory out there other than winbond that will pull 2-2-2 timings at ddr333 speeds...
maybe kingston would still use winbond chips for consistency...i dunno

also, about BH-6 and BH-5, what exactly is the difference? is it just the speed rating? like say a 2.4c compared to a 2.8c? or are there physical differences between the two?

[Grace]

Originally posted by snowwie
hyperx 2700 is BH-6?

seems like a good buy then

but surely there is memory out there other than winbond that will pull 2-2-2 timings at ddr333 speeds...
maybe kingston would still use winbond chips for consistency...i dunno

also, about BH-6 and BH-5, what exactly is the difference? is it just the speed rating? like say a 2.4c compared to a 2.8c? or are there physical differences between the two?

Ver 1.0 of the Pc2700 HyperX were Samsung chips, if I remember well, and they were rare as d@mned. So yes, I'd bet that they are Winbond chips if rated at 2/6/2/2.

The BH-5 and BH-6 are different lines of production, however the same design. The BH-5 is made to withstand better speed at lower voltages but from my experience BH-6 tends to stretch further when running at very high voltages.

[GenTarkin]

ugh how the hell can u guyz tell the timing ratings of these chips, I am so confused....I got PC3000 HyperX from newegg and dont see no 2226 or 2336 timing ratings anywhere.
I tried SPD on my mobo, I guess its bugged cuz it sets it to 7332 or something crazy like that.

[charlie]

Gen Tarkin,
Look at the sticker on the ram packaging, it's usually on the heatspreader or the pack it came in...if yours is OLD, it may be bh-5 otherwise it's probably ch-5

C

[Grace]

Originally posted by GenTarkin
ugh how the hell can u guyz tell the timing ratings of these chips, I am so confused....I got PC3000 HyperX from newegg and dont see no 2226 or 2336 timing ratings anywhere.
I tried SPD on my mobo, I guess its bugged cuz it sets it to 7332 or something crazy like that.

You can test it like that.

Throw 2.8v on them and set them to run at 2/6/2/2 timings at the rated speed. On anything else but an nforce 2 motherboard, they won't work if they aren't BH-6.

[STEvil]

Kingston Value Ram 2700 is what i was talking about.

Rated at 2-2-2-5 1T, $59 a stick.

[Grace]

Originally posted by STEvil
Kingston Value Ram 2700 is what i was talking about.

Rated at 2-2-2-5 1T, $59 a stick.

Kingston ValueRAM Pc2700 with those timings doesn't exist. All Pc2700 ValueRAM are rated 2.5/6/3/3.

[shidokanjohn]

Originally posted by Grace
Kingston ValueRAM Pc2700 with those timings doesn't exist. All Pc2700 ValueRAM are rated 2.5/6/3/3.

yeap Grace is right but the dont work there:rolleyes:

[toymaker]

i assume the 4 sticka is for an intel, so yes that would work fine. but still 2 512 is fine also. i dont think it will make a differance. AFAIK the canterwoods can run dual channel with 4 sticks.. right? [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, 4 sticks will work (check the ram chart for your specific board) but when overclocking (over 200 FSB) performance mode is automatically disabled with all four memory slots filled. :(

[wimpie007]

So the khx3500cl2 I ordered last week won't be bh-5?
Damn, so much for making my brother buy ram... :(

[soccrstar]

Originally posted by wimpie007
So the khx3500cl2 I ordered last week won't be bh-5?
Damn, so much for making my brother buy ram... :(

mostlikely CH-5

434MHz settings: 2-3-3-7-1 (CAS Latency 2) is probably ur timings

[xGoKuX]

I haven't done any v-mods on my board (yet) and I get my lvl 2 mushkin @ about 230 1:1 @ 2.7 volts.. I need to get some more pumping through this ram, but damn IC7 bios won't let me.

I had some 3,000 HyperX, did about 214 at most @ 2.7

I wish mickey had his tantrum about the 3,200 before I bought my Mushkin.. oh well. I didn't pay for it, got it free for building my friend a computer, well, sorta free, traded him my 3,000 hYperx (he doesn't overclock.)

[sinn]

Originally posted by GenTarkin
ugh how the hell can u guyz tell the timing ratings of these chips, I am so confused....I got PC3000 HyperX from newegg and dont see no 2226 or 2336 timing ratings anywhere.
I tried SPD on my mobo, I guess its bugged cuz it sets it to 7332 or something crazy like that.

on the newegg website it give reccommended timings of the ram u are buying, 7-3-3-2 is nothing crazy, its just the default of your mobo

[sinn]

Originally posted by wimpie007
So the khx3500cl2 I ordered last week won't be bh-5?
Damn, so much for making my brother buy ram... :(

i dont think kingston has had 3500 bh-5 chips for a long time now, not that its ever been mentioned before on these forums.

[LikwidKool]

Originally posted by toymaker
i assume the 4 sticka is for an intel, so yes that would work fine. but still 2 512 is fine also. i dont think it will make a differance. AFAIK the canterwoods can run dual channel with 4 sticks.. right?

Yes, 4 sticks will work (check the ram chart for your specific board) but when overclocking (over 200 FSB) performance mode is automatically disabled with all four memory slots filled. :( [/B][/QUOTE]

also more than likely your overclocking will be severly limited. I have 4x256 of the OCZ pc3500 LE that run 250+ at 3.2v but when I put all 4 together and tried to run them at 295 5:4 it was not possible. I couldn't even get 280 5:4 stabily. I also tried putting my 2x256 of KHX pc3500 bh-5 and 2x256 XMS 3500 bh-5 in and had the same problems.

I just gave up and bought 2x512 of pc3200 XMS v1.1 cause I had a helluva deal at $170. Only thing is they only do 230 at 3.2v Gonna have to pick up a gig of the mushkin level II but quick! I need to get back to running 300 5:4!