The Hunt For A64 Ram.

[Mr Small]

Hey guys,

1 final question -

Is it worth risking getting 2x256 Corsair 3200LLPT ram, and maybe not getting uber-bh-5 stuff, or just getting 512mb xms4000 pro, that does 250 fsb for sure?

please reccomend any ram for a64 system from www.overclockers.co.uk catalogue, can only order from them (long story :) )

Thanks! :D
:banana:

[Dajo]

BH5 is the way to go.... Cant you get some Mushkin LVL 2?

[Mr Small]

I can, but is it REALLY worth it?
I mean, how much difference does ddr500 @ 2-2-2-5 and 3 volts with ddr500 @ 3-4-4-8 and 2.6 volts ? Apart from the hassle for the first.

[Mr Small]

Ok, this is it - Last ever Mushkin BH-5 memory!
(2x 256Mb DDR RAM PC3200 Dual Channel Level2)
400Mhz, 184 pins, 64 bit, CL2, 2-2-2 Rating, BH-5 chips
HiPerf Mushkin, hand tested, w/ alu heatspreaders
Full memory specification, Stock: 2-5 kits
Manufacturer: Mushkin, Warranty: Lifetime

This mofo, for 140 GBP.
Worth it? For going with Asus K8v.

[Mr Small]

Dont make me hurt you man, DONT PUSH ME THERE! :P

Hehe, I'll save myself about 30 GBP on this stuff.

What kinda FSB can I hit, with 2.9v? (maximum on k8v i heard from soemone) with 2-2-2-6.

[Speed_Mechanic]

Originally posted by MickeyMouse
damm how many times must I tell ya the corsair pc3200LLPT is 110% BH-5 dude, lol..

"ANY" ram raided for ddr400/pc3200 at 2-2-2-6-1 is BH-5 period any pc3700-pc4000 will run like a dell setup on A64 :(

That would depend on how well you trust a Reseller like Overclockers UK's wording. Corsair rates their XMS 3200 LL for 2-3-2-6 operation, and have been shipping Winbond CH-5 chips with it for well over 6 months now. If one believes that Overclockers UK is selling old-stock Corsair that happens to have Winbond BH-5 chips and only Winbond BH-5 chips, then one would feel free to purchase it. But in all likelihood, it isn't going to do what they rate it.

[Mr Small]

So I'm better off with the mushkin for first choice im feeling..
2nd choice that stuff(corsair), 3rd choice some EL Ocz stuff.

Jason will have a good reply tho :)

[Tony]

Guys your hypeing this BH5 thing way to much and your going to force second hand prices thru the roof...

If your looking to buy new ram there are lots of alternatives now and the ONLY thing they MAY not do is run TRCD at 2.While this will effect speed a slight amount it will not make any noticable difference to games and apps you run thats worth bothering about..Trust me..i test a huge amount of ram and boards ;)

New CH5 does seem to be getting better and clocking quite high..boards are getting better also which allows the ram to clock higher also.

Remember its you guys who are pushing prices up by causing this buying frenzy.Have a look back if you can and see how much BH5 modules were 12months ago and compare against today...

[Mr Small]

i cant decide :(
I'm thinking of going in between :P middle latency, middle fsb ocz stuff :S
you guys confuse my newbie ass :(

[Techmasta]

Originally posted by bigtoe
Guys your hypeing this BH5 thing way to much and your going to force second hand prices thru the roof...

If your looking to buy new ram there are lots of alternatives now and the ONLY thing they MAY not do is run TRCD at 2.While this will effect speed a slight amount it will not make any noticable difference to games and apps you run thats worth bothering about..Trust me..i test a huge amount of ram and boards ;)

New CH5 does seem to be getting better and clocking quite high..boards are getting better also which allows the ram to clock higher also.

Remember its you guys who are pushing prices up by causing this buying frenzy.Have a look back if you can and see how much BH5 modules were 12months ago and compare against today...

I agree with ya bigtoe. I just wish that ch-5 scaled with added voltage like bh-5/6 does.

[Mr Small]

come on man that's just a bit BEYOND extreme dude :)

2.9ghz A64? The default clock is 2ghz for gods sake :D

Thats NOT with the stock cooler :P or any air cooler.

Anyway, first choice mushkin level 2, 2 x 256mb, 2nd choice risk corsair or ocz el? :O

[Mr Small]

Mushkin or Corsair then..

[eshbach]

Originally posted by MickeyMouse

"ANY" ram raided for ddr400/pc3200 at 2-2-2-6-1 is BH-5 period any pc3700-pc4000 will run like a dell setup on A64 :(

not really true, mushkin has some bh-6 they're selling as 3200 now at 2-2-2-6 since it's "hand picked" to do those speeds... and it's not bad stuff either, could do some serious FSB with enough vdimm. as for the pc4000, that's 100% true, i put some OCZ 4200 in here and couldn't break 24k even at 270 1:1.

[Craig]

Originally posted by bigtoe
Guys your hypeing this BH5 thing way to much and your going to force second hand prices thru the roof...

Remember its you guys who are pushing prices up by causing this buying frenzy.Have a look back if you can and see how much BH5 modules were 12months ago and compare against today...

YEP!

I've been watching the prices climb on the BH5 RAMs for a couple weeks now.

Did a search for OCZ's Limited Edition PC3500 Platinum the other day. Found 3 sites that still had some, all in Canada, lowest price was like $276.00 Canadian.:eek: And this was for the 2 X 256 kits, that's around 210 USD I think, that's a lot.

In a strange way Bigtoe I'd say OCZ should be proud that it's Platinum PC3500 Limited Edition is so highly regarded. I don't see Corsair's v 1.1 selling for nearly so much.

Will be interesting to see how high the Kingston Hyper X and the Lvl 2 PC3500 Mushkin goes for 2-3 weeks from now, after its (BH5) gone from all retail sites.

[Craig]

Regarding the original thread straters question.

I'd say head over to your sites still having the BH5's RAM and buy 2 X 256 or more, look at it this way, if you don''t like it's performance you can recoup your paid price in full. You won't be able to do that with any other RAM on the market.;)

You can try the BH5 risk free, but you can't do it the other way around.:D

[eva2000]

not how it is in USA, in OZ i asked around and nearly all places only stock XMS3200LL with the rev indicating CH-5

[Orak]

what aboute the ADATA PC3200 BH5? is that any good ram for a A64 rig?

[mackanz]

Originally posted by Orak
what aboute the ADATA PC3200 BH5? is that any good ram for a A64 rig?

Where do you find that in N?

[Mr Small]

UPDATE

Emailed OCers UK, the guy said he cannot say that they are going to be 100% bh-5, but he still reccomends xms3200LLPT.
Im thinking ill go for it.

[Dr.Demonic69]

Anyone know the max voltage on Shuttle mobo ????? I hope it's around 3.2v ...... pleaseeeeeeeee

[Dr.Demonic69]

Originally posted by MickeyMouse
damm how many times must I tell ya the corsair pc3200LLPT is 110% BH-5 dude, lol..

"ANY" ram raided for ddr400/pc3200 at 2-2-2-6-1 is BH-5 period any pc3700-pc4000 will run like a dell setup on A64 :(

I don't think timings affect real time performace in windows by that much , espesially in games.

Did you read the latest test about timings on THG??? The diff is real small. So i think it will be a better idea to get pc4000-4400 to be gurananteed those speeds rather risking vmoding the boards. My opinon, thats all.

[D/SCoNn3Ct3D]

get some mushkin bh-6 lvl2. i ordered some myself. this ram is supposed to be equivalent to bh-5 if not better. ill let you guys know when i get it and test it on my 3400+. still waiting for my parts.

[kromosto]

first seek and get a bh5 i think bh5 rams will be the fastests in 2004 too no matter what ch5 can do or others can do i dont agree with bigtoe because we are not increasing the prices bh5 itself making this as MM said how can you want less :)

[Mr Small]

I got 2 sticks of xms3500 c2 platinum 2-2-2-5 v1.1 blah blah
512mb each
are these bh-5??

[Mr Small]

BP

[Speed_Mechanic]

Originally posted by Mr Small
I got 2 sticks of xms3500 c2 platinum 2-2-2-5 v1.1 blah blah
512mb each
are these bh-5??

Yes.

[D/SCoNn3Ct3D]

get bh-6 its just as good or better!!!!!!!!!!

[D/SCoNn3Ct3D]

168 for 2x256 mushkin pc3200 bh-6 lvl2

[xgman]

Corsair XMS-PC2700LL Winbond BH-6

XMS-PC3200C2 Rev1.1 Winbond BH-5

XMS-PC3200C2 Rev1.2 Winbond CH-5

XMS-PC3200LL Rev1.1 Winbond BH-5

XMS-PC3200LL rev1.2 Winbond CH-5

XMS/TwinX-PC3200LL Rev1.1: Winbond BH-5

XMS/TwinX-PC3200LL Rev1.2: Winbond CH-5

XMS-PC3500C2 Rev1.1: Winbond BH-5

XMS/TwinX-PC3700 Samsung -5 Rev E

XMS/TwinX-PC4000 Hynix D43 rev.b

[Mr Small]

thanks man, that'll come in useful :)

[Zeus]

Originally posted by Dr.Demonic69
Anyone know the max voltage on Shuttle mobo ????? I hope it's around 3.2v ...... pleaseeeeeeeee

Vdimm? Only 2.9V max. :(
Don't know if it overvolts though.

[Stan]

Originally posted by xgman


XMS-PC3200C2 Rev1.1 Winbond BH-5

XMS-PC3200C2 Rev1.2 Winbond CH-5


its BH6 and CH6 for 3200's AFAIK