2.4 M0 5:4 or 2.8 M0 1:1 ?

[ThePimpulator]

Assume I got a 2.4 and a 2.8 and both maxed out at 3.4. With some Mushkin 3500 lvl2 and vdimm mod I should hopefully be able to run the 2.4 with 5:4 and tight timings (2-3-2-5 perhaps) and the 2.8 with 1:1 and relaxed timings.

So system 1:
PIV 3.4Mhz
283 fsb
Ram @ 226 (2-3-2-5)

System 2:
PIV 3.4Mhz
243 fsb
Ram @ 243 (relaxed timings)


Which is going to be better? I am talking for games, if use is an issue.

Thanks for any help,

ThePimpulator.

[C0bra]

Would say the 2.4..

[skate2snow]

your RAM can do 2-2-2-6 easyly, so i whould try out like 2-2-2-6 at 226(2.4) and put enough volt to do 2-2-2-6;)

[ThePimpulator]

Originally posted by skate2snow
your RAM can do 2-2-2-6 easyly, so i whould try out like 2-2-2-6 at 226(2.4) and put enough volt to do 2-2-2-6;)

I understand. But are you also saying that system 1 will be better than system 2? That is the main thing I am really interested in.

Thanks a lot. And to C0bra for his thoughts.

ThePimpulator.

[skate2snow]

in 2k1, w/ Sys1 you will have higher car chase and nature, but whit sys2 you will have higher lobby and draggo.

To say this ive only based on FSB and the RAM speed.

Please note: All the Sys can do 2-2-2-6

[Soulburner]

The system with "tight timings" will win every time.

[Craig]

Originally posted by Soulburner
The system with "tight timings" will win every time.

Agreed.

I'd go with the 2.8 but also stay with tight timings, 2-2-2-5, that Mushkin can handle some good volts, give it to it.

[sinn]

with the right volts, id have to say the 2.4

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by ThePimpulator
Assume I got a 2.4 and a 2.8 and both maxed out at 3.4. With some Mushkin 3500 lvl2 and vdimm mod I should hopefully be able to run the 2.4 with 5:4 and tight timings (2-3-2-5 perhaps) and the 2.8 with 1:1 and relaxed timings.

So system 1:
PIV 3.4Mhz
283 fsb
Ram @ 226 (2-3-2-5)

System 2:
PIV 3.4Mhz
243 fsb
Ram @ 243 (relaxed timings)


Which is going to be better? I am talking for games, if use is an issue.

Thanks for any help,

ThePimpulator. 1:1 wins most of the time. Fugger ran the P4 EE at 16x with 5:4 got 29K+. Macci runsthe P4 EE at 18x with 1:1 and got 30.8K.

[ThePimpulator]

Let me get something straight here, are you guys saying that the Mushkin can do 243Mhz with timings of 2-2-2-6 if given the volts? The only reason I had system 2 with relaxed timings in my example is that I thought the Ram wouldnt handle tight timings at that Mhz. If it can I guess this changes it.

So lets say they will have the same timings.

Sys 1:

3.4 Mhz
fsb 283 Mhz
Ram @ 226


Sys 2:

3.4 Mhz
fsb 243 Mhz
Ram @ 243



Which would be better?


May be I can simplify it even more: I dont know what cpu to get!!! Someone help!!! 2.4 or 2.8 ????

Come on, which system is gunna be better above? Is it really not clear cut?

ThePimpulator.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Kanavit
1:1 wins most of the time. Fugger ran the P4 EE at 16x with 5:4 got 29K+. Macci runsthe P4 EE at 18x with 1:1 and got 30.8K.
Wrong, FUGGER ran 1:1 with 16x multi.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by ThePimpulator
Sys 1:

3.4 Mhz
fsb 283 Mhz
Ram @ 226


Sys 2:

3.4 Mhz
fsb 243 Mhz
Ram @ 243

It's gonna be pretty damn close, I don't know for sure if either one would win by any substantial margin.

But since it takes 3.2v+ to do 240+ with your memory, I would go with the 2.4c with the 5:4 divider.

[skate2snow]

if your mobo can do like 3.5V take the 2.4 1:1 (for benche only). And low it when you just surfing

[C0bra]

I would get the 2.8.. There is a good chance you can do 270fsb+ with the 2.8 with watercooling(if you get an M0) and that memory can probbaly do 240 2-2-2-5@3.2v.. So say you get the 2.8 M0 and run it at 270fsb 5:4 you get a cpu speed of 3780 and a ram speed of 216 2-2-2-5.. that is within the reasonneble with watercooling.. If you do a mod to the 3.3v rail on your psu and run like 3.6-3.9v throu the memory you can do 270 2-2-2-5 with the ram..

[ThePimpulator]

Originally posted by C0bra
So say you get the 2.8 M0 and run it at 270fsb 5:4 you get a cpu speed of 3780 and a ram speed of 216 2-2-2-5.. that is within the reasonneble with watercooling.. If you do a mod to the 3.3v rail on your psu and run like 3.6-3.9v throu the memory you can do 270 2-2-2-5 with the ram..

Hmm, I had pretty much settled on the 2.4 but my god 1:1 at 270 on a 2.8 is so tempting. What is the probability of frying the Ram at that volt?

Damn that is tempting.

I am looking at everyday use btw. Not benching. Im talking about the level I can get to and leave it at.

Thanks in advance for further opinions.

ThePimpulator.

PS I was gunna get two 512MB sticks in dual channel on a P4C800-E Del just for the info.

[htkm1]

You need to Read This. (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/p4-mem.html)

[ThePimpulator]

Originally posted by htkm1
You need to Read This. (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/p4-mem.html)

Ah, nice article.

The first half had me convinced on the 2.8. The second half got me thinking a bit again. I still think I am just about coming out in favour of the 2.8.

I would appreciate a response from someone on what C0bra was talking about though, putting 3.6-3.9v through the Mushkin. I am tempted, but can I have further opinions on two things:

First, will I really be able to get it to 270 2-2-2-5 even with that volt?

Second, any settings im discussing are intended for every day use. Im not interested in using higher settings just for benchies. If I put the volt to 3.8 its staying there.

So, what is the probability I will fry the Ram after not too long? Can it handle it? Surely im risking trouble, but can anyone take some kind of educated guess as to the probability? I can live with say a 0.25 chance of seeing my $350 go up.

Have many people run that kinda volt through this Mushkin? Any/how many reports of fryage?

Thanks again.

ThePimpulator.

[Soulburner]

270 2-2-2-5 is not attainable for 99% of Intel users. You need either really lucky sticks or a LOT of volts that is not suitable for daily use.

3.6-3.7v...

[skate2snow]

3.6-3.9 is for BENCH ONLY and if you use it like bench your chance to fry it are not very high.