nOOb @ pelt

[felgen]

Hello people I neeed hekp with pelt @ my 9800 pro.

im gonna buy this pelt (http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/varer.asp?ARTNR=LEUTEC118)

and i wonder if there is somethins else i need ?

is it just du put the tec on the gpu and then my water block (http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/varer.asp?ARTNR=AC21013) ?


do i need something called cold plate ??

i am totally noob @ this.. :confused:

[Karnivore]

Alot more to it....

IMO, best thing you could do is buy an MCW50T Swiftech block, as it comes with almost everything you need and is quite noob friendly. If you have to go the route your considering, you'll need insulation, Di-electric grease, coldplate, rework mounting system. By the time you get done you'll probably have more invested then if you just bought the Swiftech block..

[felgen]

does the MCW50T fit on radeon 9800 pro ? :confused:

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by felgen
does the MCW50T fit on radeon 9800 pro ? :confused:


Yup, most certainly does..

[Slickthellama]

naw, get a maze 4-1 GPU block from dangerden. IT is bigger therefore you will have better temps. Also, that pelt that you showed will not fit into any videocard block. You will need to get a pelt that is 40X40 or less. Or it will not fit. You need a cold plate because pelts do not absorb heat well in direct contact with a small heat source. Therefore you put a coldplate on to absorb the heat, then the pelt removes the heat from the cold plate and puts it into the water. If you have any questions I would love to help you.

Maze 4-1 GPU (http://dangerden.com/mall/blocks/maze4gpu.asp)

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Slickthellama
naw, get a maze 4-1 GPU block from dangerden. IT is bigger therefore you will have better temps. Also, that pelt that you showed will not fit into any videocard block. You will need to get a pelt that is 40X40 or less. Or it will not fit. You need a cold plate because pelts do not absorb heat well in direct contact with a small heat source. Therefore you put a coldplate on to absorb the heat, then the pelt removes the heat from the cold plate and puts it into the water. If you have any questions I would love to help you.

Maze 4-1 GPU (http://dangerden.com/mall/blocks/maze4gpu.asp)


He said he was a noob on it, the Maze4GPU DOES NOT come with any insulation, It doesn't work better in pelt application then the MCW50T (my experience), the Maze4GPU will beat the MCW50 in straight h2o but in pelt applications my MCW50T has a slight advantage.. the pelt in his link is a 50x50mm, it CAN be made to work, and wouldn't be all that difficult, Ideal, NO, work YES...

[sandman]

A 50mm pelt WILL NOT FIT on a a swiftech MCW50-T.

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by sandman
A 50mm pelt WILL NOT FIT on a a swiftech MCW50-T.


Try READING the thread...

#1 he DOES NOT have an MCW50

#2 "Made to work" DOES NOT= bolt on with no fabrication.


here I'll even bring the quote out so you don't miss it....


it CAN be made to work, and wouldn't be all that difficult, Ideal, NO, work YES...

[sandman]

I realize that, I read the thread.

You would have to cut up the case of the swiftech MCW50-T, and considering he's a "noob to pelt" I didn't think that would be the best idea.

Try some common courtesy.

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by sandman
I realize that, I read the thread.

You would have to cut up the case of the swiftech MCW50-T, and considering he's a "noob to pelt" I didn't think that would be the best idea.

Try some common courtesy.


Putting the 50mm pelt on an MCW50T WAS NOT even considered in this thread, where did you come up with that?? Only thing even remotely close was mention that the 50mm pelt COULD be made to work on the block he said he already owns which is HERE (http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/php/rd.php?rd=AC21013&toc=5430) quite obviously your a bit confused, possibly I didn't make my original reply clear enough. My response was NOT meant rudely, If you took it that way my apologies, Happy New Year....

[sandman]

I'm sorry, I thought you mean for him to get the swifty and put the 50mm pelt on it. My apologies.

About his block and putting the 50mm pelt on it, he would need to tap holes in the bottom for the colplate screws. And that would be about it, if he could find enough room and the 50mm coldplate wouldn't it anything on his card, it would be fine. :)

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by sandman
I'm sorry, I thought you mean for him to get the swifty and put the 50mm pelt on it. My apologies.

About his block and putting the 50mm pelt on it, he would need to tap holes in the bottom for the colplate screws. And that would be about it, if he could find enough room and the 50mm coldplate wouldn't it anything on his card, it would be fine. :)


Na, no problem, sorry if my reply sounded rude, wasn't intended as such. That 50mm pelt on the MCW50T would be a ridiculous thing to do:rolleyes: And I agree with you, and still reccomend the MCW50T for anyone just getting into TEC cooling, just doesn't get any easier..

[Slickthellama]

dangerden will cut the neoprene for you if you ask nicely. Just shoot em and email and they will cut it to spec.

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Slickthellama
dangerden will cut the neoprene for you if you ask nicely. Just shoot em and email and they will cut it to spec.

thats pretty decent of them, still doesn't change the fact that the Swifty performs better though..

[felgen]

Originally posted by felgen
Hello people I neeed hekp with pelt @ my 9800 pro.

im gonna buy this pelt (http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/varer.asp?ARTNR=LEUTEC118)

and i wonder if there is somethins else i need ?

is it just du put the tec on the gpu and then my water block (http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/varer.asp?ARTNR=AC21013) ?


do i need something called cold plate ??

i am totally noob @ this.. :confused:

Really sorry i ment this one (http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/varer.asp?ARTNR=AC23335)

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by felgen
Really sorry i ment this one (http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/varer.asp?ARTNR=AC23335)

Would still stick with my original recomendation, MCW50T.

[sandman]

Originally posted by Karnivore
Would still stick with my original recomendation, MCW50T.

I'm going to agree, modifying that would be a major project.

[Slickthellama]

Originally posted by Karnivore
thats pretty decent of them, still doesn't change the fact that the Swifty performs better though..

I want to see a review with both used on the same system. I dont think the MCW-50 would perform as well because if you have ever felt the maze 4 gpu it is damned heavy. And a big piece of copper can absorb alot of heat which means more to be transfered to water.

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Slickthellama
I want to see a review with both used on the same system. I dont think the MCW-50 would perform as well because if you have ever felt the maze 4 gpu it is damned heavy. And a big piece of copper can absorb alot of heat which means more to be transfered to water.


If you want to see a review ya better get searching, as I stated my recomendation is from MY experience with the two blocks. And Yeah, the Maze4GPU is a bit better without a pelt, not much though. The reason the MCW50T works better for pelt cooling is quite simple, pelt is DIRECTLY cooled by water. And a "BIG PIECE OF COPPER" does NOT transfer heat BETTER than WATER.

[sandman]

At any rate, they perform similar, the only reason I like the Maze4 ,ore is that it can be used without the TEC if you want to.

[Slickthellama]

Originally posted by Karnivore
If you want to see a review ya better get searching, as I stated my recomendation is from MY experience with the two blocks. And Yeah, the Maze4GPU is a bit better without a pelt, not much though. The reason the MCW50T works better for pelt cooling is quite simple, pelt is DIRECTLY cooled by water. And a "BIG PIECE OF COPPER" does NOT transfer heat BETTER than WATER.

I didnt say that. I said a big piece of copper can absorb more heat which means it can transfer more heat to the water than the puny MCW-50. The barbs are inside the MCW50 The barbs are on the outside of the maze-4. Therefore you have more room for the metal to make contact with the water. Thus increasing heat transfer from copper to water.

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Slickthellama
I didnt say that. I said a big piece of copper can absorb more heat which means it can transfer more heat to the water than the puny MCW-50. The barbs are inside the MCW50 The barbs are on the outside of the maze-4. Therefore you have more room for the metal to make contact with the water. Thus increasing heat transfer from copper to water.


hehe, don't get yer undies in a bundle:eek: I'm not sure why you consider the MCW50 Puny? It has more surface area then the Maze4 GPU, and it flows better as well. you also miss the point, in TEC application the MCW50T DOESN'T rely on COPPER to tranfer the heat, hence increased efficiency...


I pulled my non-TEC blocks apart, heres a shot of the two side by side, one thing I question about the Maze4GPU, it seems to be cast, and it appears it may be some copper alloy... So how do you get puny out of the MCW50? considering weight is very close, as is size, however surface area goes to the swiftech block.

good i took them apart they need a cleaning anyway ;)

[BiFfMaN]

i just bought the DD maze4-1 GPU(pelt)block....yes it comes with pre-cut neoprene gaskets, and a mounting brace for the back for even pressure distribution. the gaskets fit around the outside.

i also got the MCW50-t

both do the same job just difference approaches at pelt cooling.
it just comes down to personal Preference if yah ask me.

felgen;

what kinda water cooling setup you have..pelts add alot of heat to a water system

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by BiFfMaN
i just bought the DD maze4-1 GPU(pelt)block....yes it comes with pre-cut neoprene gaskets, and a mounting brace for the back for even pressure distribution. the gaskets fit around the outside.




Nice, they finally got the set together, wonder if they'll send a set to those who bought them before they were available.

[sandman]

Just wonder, are you using both of those?

[BiFfMaN]

no just one ATM..the other will prob go into another system i build

[Slickthellama]

karnivore, since neither of us have any hard evidence to back our sides, lets just say they perform equally and it comes down to loyalty to companies. Truce.

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Slickthellama
karnivore, since neither of us have any hard evidence to back our sides, lets just say they perform equally and it comes down to loyalty to companies. Truce.




I'm not a swiftech fanboy, or even loyal to them, I really do prefer the Maze4GPU, for a few reasons, and performance being as close as it is, only reason I recommend the swiftech block is because of the insulation kit, and mention of noob status. Seems DD has finally gotten the insulation ready to roll so in reality very little benefit to the MCW50T now.. No real need for a truce, was never really a battle, just a difference of opinion;)

[felgen]

Originally posted by BiFfMaN
i just bought the DD maze4-1 GPU(pelt)block....yes it comes with pre-cut neoprene gaskets, and a mounting brace for the back for even pressure distribution. the gaskets fit around the outside.

i also got the MCW50-t

both do the same job just difference approaches at pelt cooling.
it just comes down to personal Preference if yah ask me.

felgen;

what kinda water cooling setup you have..pelts add alot of heat to a water system

i have fully oppset with AC water cooling

AC 240 radiator-eheim 1028 pump-

CPU : http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/varer.asp?ARTNR=AC21013

Mobo :http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/varer.asp?ARTNR=AC24115

gpu :http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/varer.asp?ARTNR=AC23335

[BiFfMaN]

that radiator should work for up to a 226watt pelt....but now comes the million dollar question?

how will you mount the pelt to the water block?
thats why people will suggest the maze4-1 GPU or mcw50-t...they are pelt ready and easy to set up without doing reconstructive surgery on the GPU block.

but say you do want to try that GPU block....first you need the right size pelt...something 40mm x 40mm.
like this one: http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/php/rd.php?rd=AC23335&toc=5432

[BiFfMaN]

then you need a cold plate : http://www.microplex.no/rubweb/php/rd.php?rd=AC23335&toc=5432

since this cold plate is larger then the pelt it will allow you to drill in some mounting holes.

then your going to need some neoprene for condensation proofing.

its not easy....your going to need some tools for drilling if you stick with that GPU block. keep posting, there are alot of experienced people that can help you out in these fourms.

[megahurtz-oc]

hey guys noob here i just orderded up everything i think i will need to install swiftechs gpu pelt block on a 9800xt was wondering if i need to worry about condesation or what i can do to prevent it. also is there any thing u guys would recomend that is key to this setup? thanks in advance

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by megahurtz-oc
hey guys noob here i just orderded up everything i think i will need to install swiftechs gpu pelt block on a 9800xt was wondering if i need to worry about condesation or what i can do to prevent it. also is there any thing u guys would recomend that is key to this setup? thanks in advance

I don't think Dielectric Grease is included, you will need some. and yes condensation is a concern. read through the forum a bit, you can goHERE (http://dangerden.com/mall/Pelts/neoprene.asp) to see what the Dielectric grease is, they also link to some condensation prevention articles in description of grease. You should also make sure that the TEC is/can only be, on when the waterpump, and rad fans are running.

A little searching through the foum will yield a large amount of good advice.

[BoomStick]

I am a Swifty fanboy atm because of the customer service side and the pelt setups from them are almost idiot proof if you follow the instructions.

If you buy the pelted blocks from them they are almost ready to install right out of box. Add some dialectric and liquid tape and you are good to go.

Nice to know DDen got a nice package together. Although they still sell the cpu block seperate from the pelt correct?

[Slickthellama]

yeah, tht sucks. But their waterblocks are pretty easy to install now. Really straight forward.

[megahurtz-oc]

ya i ordered the grease and one of those relay setups that plug in to a pci slot where can i get some of that tape and where do i put it? also will my 9800 xt be able to go higher than 465 core with this setup?

[Slickthellama]

that is really hard to say. Even the best know chips for OCing sometimes lemon out on you. But I'd say it is safe to say you will get 465, and even if you dont you can vmod.