View Full Version : SUMA 4Life!!!
Hidyhow,
it's been a very long since I've last been here, but I was contracted in London so, well, there wasn't much use in coming here then :)
But to the point, right before I took off to the UK, I got all this lovely new hardware, being a Tbred, KX7 and stuff, but most importantly, a SUMA GF4Ti4200SE 128MB.
I'm back in my beloved Belgium since last week, so I finally had the time to start torturing my PC again.
And so I did. Started with the GF4, and what I encountered is simply amazing, even better, unbelievable.
I'm just gonna post the pic, see for yourself.
This is achieved with a 1.6K fixed resistor between SC1175 and GND, and it can do more.
I do have a question for you fella's though, since the slider in RivaTuner is at it's virtual end and I feel very lucky today, I want to know how I can adjust the maximum values for these sliders.
Well, look at the pic and you'll see what I mean :)
Feels great to be back!! Love u folks!
sysfailur
08-19-2002, 06:24 AM
Holy FOOK. Umm is that STABLE though?
Originally posted by sysfailur
Holy FOOK. Umm is that STABLE though?
It's as stable as that tower in Pisa ;)
Seriously, this is rock solid, ran 10 3DMloops, played GTA3 for over an hour, and checked with RTCW and Max Payne also to search for artifacts, but couldn't find any.
It's stable, yes :)
Also found out the tweaks to change the slider values, in Display properties I can now go to 865, though Rivatuner won't let me go past 800. Eh well, I'm off to my display properties then. This baby can do more, I just know it :)
And in case it doesn't, I still got a 1.2K and a 0.8K resistor laying next to me ;)
sysfailur
08-19-2002, 06:37 AM
Originally posted by 2xD
It's as stable as that tower in Pisa ;)
Seriously, this is rock solid, ran 10 3DMloops, played GTA3 for over an hour, and checked with RTCW and Max Payne also to search for artifacts, but couldn't find any.
It's stable, yes :)
Also found out the tweaks to change the slider values, in Display properties I can now go to 865, though Rivatuner won't let me go past 800. Eh well, I'm off to my display properties then. This baby can do more, I just know it :)
And in case it doesn't, I still got a 1.2K and a 0.8K resistor laying next to me ;)
My god... sounds like you have the best Ti4200 EVAR!
Originally posted by sysfailur
My god... sounds like you have the best Ti4200 EVAR!
That was my first tought too :)
Now this is just impossible, or this overclocking thing doesn't work, or I'm in some kind of twilight zone, but err, I'm currently at 865MHz memclock and still can't find any artifacts, locks don't occur either...
Though it's illegal, I think I'm off to go smoke a joint, I just can't believe this. See the pic below :
sysfailur
08-19-2002, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by 2xD
That was my first tought too :)
Now this is just impossible, or this overclocking thing doesn't work, or I'm in some kind of twilight zone, but err, I'm currently at 865MHz memclock and still can't find any artifacts, locks don't occur either...
Though it's illegal, I think I'm off to go smoke a joint, I just can't believe this. See the pic below :
Ya know, I actually had something like this happen to me once... I had my memory on a visiontek gf3 @ 830 and it wasn't locking up... but the oc wasn't working for some reason :\ I reinstalled my drivers and oc programs and then it worked properly.
Originally posted by sysfailur
Ya know, I actually had something like this happen to me once... I had my memory on a visiontek gf3 @ 830 and it wasn't locking up... but the oc wasn't working for some reason :\ I reinstalled my drivers and oc programs and then it worked properly.
I had that with my previous GF4, but this one's for real, I notice the framerates going up in 3DM, fi the Dragothic LD test, my max framerate there is ATM 272FPS, with 305/800 clocks it was still a 'mere' 266FPS, so it's definitely going up.
Let's adjust those slidervalues shall we? ;)
calantak
08-19-2002, 06:53 AM
please post 3dmark compares on 750, 800, 850
I don't think current ram can do 865 on a gpu , people with xtreme active cooling don't even get there.
majormav
08-19-2002, 06:58 AM
them clocks are amazing ... cant wait to see some 3d compares
Originally posted by calantak
please post 3dmark compares on 750, 800, 850
I don't think current ram can do 865 on a gpu , people with xtreme active cooling don't even get there.
I will soon.
But first I need to find something that will let me adjust memclocks beyond 865MHz, no matter what I change in the registry, 865 is the absolute maximum.
Any tips please?
i REALLY dont think that this 866 is beeing aplyied.
866 on the mem.. hmm.. thats really not possible.
please.. share a compare... :D
Originally posted by UaZa
i REALLY dont think that this 866 is beeing aplyied.
866 on the mem.. hmm.. thats really not possible.
please.. share a compare... :D
Well, you're not the only one that can't believe it, that's for sure ;)
But anyway, I just ghosted my PC, and started from scratch again.
But, or no, better, it still clocks like a turtle on speed!!
here's my first run on a fresh machine, clocks are 300 core, 750 memory, the only tweak I used was to change my default mem speed from 550 to 650 (so the slider goes a lot further ;))
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4233602
I'm going for the 800MHz right now
majormav
08-19-2002, 08:08 AM
just been searching dont look like you card is implementing them speeds on mem .... the project below is nearly same as yours but with lower clocks
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4032657
OK, these clocks get applied allright, fi, in Lobby LD test, my max framerate is 265 with 800MHz memclock, where it was 262 with the memory @ 750.
Unfortunately the core can't handle all this violence, so my score increased only by 7 points, that's right, 7 full-blowned points :)
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4233716
I'm terified of Vmodding my core though, cause that's where it all went wrong last time :)
They definitely get applied, that's for sure.
Cause 3Dmark craps out on me with the memory @ 864 MHz, no artifacts though.
Leets see what 850 does :)
Sorry for the spamming, but hey :)
K, an update, 864 is a no go, for 3DMark at least, GTA3 runs like it should. 850 is the same, but 837 runs as smooth as my girlie's ass :)
Gonna reboot now and do a 3DMark with this setting.
BTW, I still got some 1.2K and 0.8K resistors laying here, whatcha think? Should I? Or should I not? :)
The one currently on the card is a 1.6K piece.
Yes, it's me again :)
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4233959
this is at 300/837, though the score is a bit lower then the one @ 800Mhz, you can see the fillrate went up a bit, as well as the bandwidthhungry Nature test.
Let's see what we can do with the core :)
sysfailur
08-19-2002, 09:24 AM
Ok I'm confused you got 11848 w/ 750mhz memory, and then w/ 837mhz memory you got 11840.... I hate to tell you but from what you said, it does not look like it's applying. I mean, your score should go up no matter what from that huge jump.
calantak
08-19-2002, 09:42 AM
that's true, so I guess it's NOT applying.
if you increase 87 points on memory, you should go up BIGTIME
Entuscan
08-19-2002, 11:51 AM
Download powerstrip !
First use your program to "apply" those HIGH mem mhz.
then open up powerstrip en check if it's the same.
Press ALT+Print screen, save in paint and post us the pic :D
PLZ it will clairify this entire subject.
BTW should you'r program fail you can oc with the same powerstrip.
morphling1
08-19-2002, 12:52 PM
How come you show pic of your card running 375/800 and now you can't run core over 300 ??
Also memory overclock from 750 to above 800 shoud be a lot more noticable in 3dmark score.
But never the less this Summa looks very good, what speed are those ddr chips?
Originally posted by morphling1
How come you show pic of your card running 375/800 and now you can't run core over 300 ??
Also memory overclock from 750 to above 800 shoud be a lot more noticable in 3dmark score.
But never the less this Summa looks very good, what speed are those ddr chips?
Where do you see 375MHz for the core??
Download powerstrip !
First use your program to "apply" those HIGH mem mhz.
then open up powerstrip en check if it's the same.
Press ALT+Print screen, save in paint and post us the pic
PLZ it will clairify this entire subject.
BTW should you'r program fail you can oc with the same powerstrip.
That's what I was planning on doing :)
I already formatted my system so I can do a clean install when I get home, and then I'll see what it does :)
C U tonight :)
And also, honestly, I don't think you notice the speedincrease in 3DMark, what the hell is the card supposed to do with all this bandwidth? The core can't keep up with it, so the memory is just sitting there scrathing it's back.
But, tonight will say it all :)
morphling1
08-20-2002, 05:09 AM
On the first picture using Riva Tuner
Originally posted by morphling1
On the first picture using Riva Tuner
Ah, I see.
That's the slider that allows me to go to 375Mhz, but as you can see the slider is located in the middle, so the clock is 300MHz, which can be seen at the left hand side of the slider :)
morphling1
08-20-2002, 05:31 AM
Ahh Ok.
So 300 is the limit without voltmod.
I just got xfx 4200 with Hynih 4ns ddr and wih default cooling I get 315/325 maybe I could get a little higher on core but this is the limit with coolbits
3dmark score for now:
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4239816
I'll try w2k later
RichBa5tard
08-20-2002, 05:57 AM
2xD, 850Mhz mem is amazing, but your 3D mark score sucks donky balls.
I can't believe my XP1700+ & Ti4200 @ 327|580 beats the crap out of your T-Bred & Suma @ 300|800... or your the worst tweaker ever.? ;)
Upload a pic real soon or your credebility will go down to zero, no offense :)
Where do you live in Belgium?
Originally posted by RichBa5tard
2xD, 850Mhz mem is amazing, but your 3D mark score sucks donky balls.
I can't believe my XP1700+ & Ti4200 @ 327|580 beats the crap out of your T-Bred & Suma @ 300|800... or your the worst tweaker ever.? ;)
Upload a pic real soon or your credebility will go down to zero, no offense :)
Where do you live in Belgium?
hehe, well my system isn't tweaked at all.
In fact, my XP2200 is running at XP2100 speeds. My timings aren't tweaked, and basically nothing is tweaked. I just started clocking and encountered this :)
But don't worry, as soon as I get home I'm starting for real :)
I live in Ieper btw, feel free to drop by someday, so you can see it with your own eyes. I'm not into hoaxes btw, never have and never will. I still dont believe it myself, so I can fully understand that you don't either ;)
But what pics do you need? I can only give screens as I don't have a cam.
NoStra
08-20-2002, 07:49 AM
Then tweak your system...and show some good scores. Cause 850Mhz on the memory is really impressive. But your scores are all but impressive. So tweak your sys and show some nice scores ;)
Originally posted by NoStra
Then tweak your system...and show some good scores. Cause 850Mhz on the memory is really impressive. But your scores are all but impressive. So tweak your sys and show some nice scores ;)
Well, no good scores yet, but I do have to say that the card indeed clocks this far. From a freshly installed Win2K it is now rolling at 770MHz memclock.
I've ran 3Dmarks for the clocks of 550, 650, 700, 730 and 770. I haven't clocked it any further yet.
Full PC specs are :
Tbred @ 1666 (133x12.5, just to see the difference between the memclocks)
KX7
512Mb Samsung @ 166MHz, cas2, 4b, 252221
550 : http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4242469
650 : http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4242457
700 : http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4242653
730 : http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4242751
770 : http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4242925
From 700 the score doesn't increase that much anymore, but it does increase.
I just love this card :)
Do have to say that I changed my voltmod to a VR @ 2.03K for the moment, I got weird blinking spots on my screen this morning with the 1.6K R, prolly was too much :p.
edit :
800MHz ain't stable @ 2.03K, maybe I'll try 1.95 tomorrow. I'm off for today :)
Entuscan
08-20-2002, 02:26 PM
I still need to see the Powerstrip images
before that, I'm sorry but ..... (been lied to one to many times)
Originally posted by Entuscan
I still need to see the Powerstrip images
before that, I'm sorry but ..... (been lied to one to many times)
Because you ask it so kindly ;)
And now I'm really off to bed, g'night folks.
edit :
forgot the damn image :)
http://www.2xd.be/ps_797.jpg
OK, it's definitely for real these clocks.
797, 810 and 824MHz are all stable with the VR @ 1.81K (something starts smelling over here... ;)).
But starting from 797MHz, the 3Dmark scores don't increase anymore, they actually decrease.
at 797 (10172) : http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4245886
at 824 (10141) : http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4246075
I'm gonna see if I can still clock it any further, though I'm quite convinced the scores won't go up anymore.
Anyway, that's 2 ghosts, a fresh format + install and still it clocks to +800MHz, guess I have no other choice then to believe it.
One thing's for sure, this is one piece of hardware I am _never_ going to sell, it'll get a special place in my house somewhere once I get another grfxcard :D
Bravo
08-21-2002, 04:44 AM
Your score isnt increasing because your GPU is now the limiting factor.
mackanz
08-21-2002, 12:53 PM
Im trying to find any place that has these cards, do they have a website?
Where can you buy these?
Mac
:banana::banana::banana::banana:e....! Almost doesn't seem real. Never seen one of these get so high.
I've got a Leadtek 4600 and 800 on memory gives corruption. Then again that's not v-modded.
calantak
08-23-2002, 06:51 AM
I have had four ti4600's, two leadteks and two creatives,
going over 760 killed two of them, the other got heavily artefacted at 750, and I didn't even bother testing the forth, I sold it right away.
however, it is always possible.
General_B
08-26-2002, 09:34 AM
This might a contender for Super Ti4200s... from Ocworkbench...
Albatron Ti 4200P Turbo & Ti 4200 TurboI
The reasons behind the Ti 4200 Turbo and Ti 4200P Turbofs high performance advantage is an 8-layer PCB that is also used in the Ti 4600 chipset. This design strategy helps to improve voltage stability. In addition, 3.3ns BGA DDR RAM is used to allow VRAM clock cycles to exceed 550MHz. When the Ti 4200P Turbo graphics card was tested against the 3D-Mark 2001 SE diagnostics utility softwareiNote 2j, the total scores reached 11,774 using a 1024x768 screen resolution. Compared with the higher rated Ti 4600 class products, the difference in performance was less than 5%.
whole story at Ocworkbench.com
vBulletin® v3.7.0, Copyright ©2000-2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.