AMD Athlon 64 3000+ is released

[sickness]

It looks like newegg just got stock of the new AMD Athlon 64 3000+ OEM yesterday. This is good news for AMD fans because once again AMD is claiming the "best bang for the buck" title as this new chip is only being sold for $215, which is the same price as an Intel P4 2.8ghz HT processor. I bet this can be easily overclocked to a 3200+. I might get one for myself for my new computer that i'm building soon. The best part is, I can still call it a budget system ;)

[Sovereignty]

$215 is ridiculous. Most other retailers had it listed for $250ish.

This makes switching from AXP to A64 much easier for us deprived college kids :)

[sickness]

A reminder though, this is only the OEM version. I would wanna get the RETAIL version because the A64 packaged heatsinks from what I heard kickass. Retail would probably go for $10-$20 more than OEM. Still low price :)

[luihed]

Whats weird is its stock mhz at 2.0gs........ that makes it the same as the 3200+.....

[saaya]

nah, must be a typo... or it only has 512kb cache? :(

[Major]

I heard the 3000+ only has 512k of cache, but runs at the same clock as the 3200+ 2ghz

[sickness]

AMD Athlon 64 3000+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - OEM

Specification
Model: AMD Athlon 64 3000+
Core: ClawHammer
Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/1MB
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 754
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: OEM(Processor Only)


Doesn't look like 512k to me.

[saaya]

those are the specs of the 3200+.... theres a typo somewhere


FSB: Integrated into Chip

|V|'/ 1337 C|°U PwN5 y0 w1+h 1+5 1nt3gr4+3d F58 ! :ROTF:

[Major]

Here are the real specs !

Opps wrong one ;)

[luihed]

Here you go...... 2gs and 512k cache......

http://www3.telus.net/luis99/3000+

[quicksilver98]

I want 1!!!

[saaya]

spent the night in front of the shop to get the first one eh, luihed? :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

the xp3000 shouldnt exist, I had thought amd was not making any a64 below 2GHz also I thought the a64 had 512kb cache while the FX had a meg of cache?


edit: maybe this is a barton. I know they have xp3200 bartons at 2.2GHz so the xp3000 could be a 2GHz barton :stick:

[luihed]

Originally posted by saaya
spent the night in front of the shop to get the first one eh, luihed? :D

lol.... no the sreenie is not mine.... sorry if I misled everybody...... I got this from someone at fututemark forum who has one........

[Aldus]

They are on newegg but the weird thing is to get to them after going to a64 you have to click 1.8GHz but in the description of the item it states 2GHz with the full 1mb L2 cache.

3000+
AMD Athlon 64 3000+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - OEM

Specification
Model: AMD Athlon 64 3000+
Core: ClawHammer
Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/1MB
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 754
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: OEM(Processor Only)

3200+
AMD Athlon 64, 1 MB L2 Cache, the Only 64-bit Windows Compatible Processor - OEM
Specification
Model: AMD Athlon 64
Core: ClawHammer
Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/1024K
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 754
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: OEM(Processor Only)

WTF ?? At first I thought the 3000+ was an opteron but it says its socket 754. :confused:

*edit*
Forgot the newegg links3000+ (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-425&DEPA=1&sumit=property&catalog=343&mfrcode=0&propertycodevalue=4954,4425&keywords=&minprice=&maxprice=)

3200+ (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-413&catalog=343&depa=1)

Only difference in their descriptions in the 3200+ states L2 cache of 1024K while the 3000+ states 1MB, which are the exact same thing.

[Holst]

I was under the impression it would be 1.8gig with 1mb cache.

[Jeff]

Someone is just going to have to buy one to see then... :devil:

[saaya]

whats the deal? if they give you wrong specs you can always return the chip saying it was advertised as something else...

[Jeff]

Such a low price also kind of points to a reduced cache, doesn't it? Isn't the cache the most expensive part of the package?

[Geforce4ti4200]

let me repeat myself, its probably a barton

[Aldus]

Why would it be a barton with 1mb cache and labeled as an athlon 64 ?:rolleyes:

[afireinside]

Hey where in jersey are you? I'm in south jersey :(

Anyway isint one of the big power points of the A64 the 1 meg L2 cache?

[Karnivore]

Well if Newegg has a typo on cache size they aren't the only ones.....

Following is a cut/paste from HERE (http://www.lynncomp.com/shop5/item330001.html) :

AMD Athlon64 3000+ Processor in a Box Socket 754
Industry-leading performance for today’s software
Built-in support for future 64-bit applications with AMD64 technology
HyperTransport™ technology and an integrated DDR memory controller for maximum performance and system efficiency
Featuring large on-die cache memory (1152KB total effective cache) for enhanced performance on large memory workloads


I hope this is correct, I may just get myself an Xmas gift if it is:D

[faruquehabib]

if it is only 512k, then whats the point...might as well get a 2500 barton for that

[sickness]

Originally posted by afireinside
Hey where in jersey are you? I'm in south jersey :(

Anyway isint one of the big power points of the A64 the 1 meg L2 cache?

I live in Cherry Hill too, do/did you goto Cherry Hill East High School?

Edit: Nevermind your only 13 years old I guess. Do you know where Woodcrest is?

[afireinside]

I've heard of woodcrest but I douno exactly where it is. I've probley been there before. I'm going to West next year maybe East I douno.

[QuadDamage]

NewCastle core is a 3000+, 512kb cache @ 2Ghz. That screenie belongs to Mania from FutureMark btw. He bought it in Australia.

there's also a 1.8Ghz 3000+ with 1MB L2 cache which is obviously better than NewCastle unless NewCastle has some hidden tweaks like support for faster than DDR400 memory and 1000mhz HyperTransport.

[faruquehabib]

a 1.8ghz 1mb L2 sounds awesome :toast:

[Geforce4ti4200]

so it looks like amd has decided to make an a64 at 1.8GHz and call it xp3000? are there any official reports of that yet?

[sickness]

Originally posted by QuadDamage
NewCastle core is a 3000+, 512kb cache @ 2Ghz. That screenie belongs to Mania from FutureMark btw. He bought it in Australia.

there's also a 1.8Ghz 3000+ with 1MB L2 cache which is obviously better than NewCastle unless NewCastle has some hidden tweaks like support for faster than DDR400 memory and 1000mhz HyperTransport.

According to January's Issue of MaximumPC, the NewCastle will be just like the A64 3200+ and FX doing the same 130 nanometer process. The only difference will be it will have 512KB of cache instead of 1MB. The reason why AMD is doing this is because they can produce more chips for less money. The large size core of the A64 and A64-FX cost too much.

New Castle is ganna be released 1st quarter of 2004 btw.

[QuadDamage]

i know but some people already have them, i don't know why but it looks like there out in Australia?

anyways, gotta love AMD. looks like a lot of peeps will own cheaper A64's pretty soon i guess:D

[afireinside]

With half the L2 cache :|

[luihed]

Originally posted by faruquehabib
a 1.8ghz 1mb L2 sounds awesome :toast:

That might happen but it wont be $215........

[faruquehabib]

Originally posted by luihed
That might happen but it wont be $215........

:(

[bigpoppa]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
the xp3000 shouldnt exist, I had thought amd was not making any a64 below 2GHz also I thought the a64 had 512kb cache while the FX had a meg of cache?


edit: maybe this is a barton. I know they have xp3200 bartons at 2.2GHz so the xp3000 could be a 2GHz barton :stick:

thats a very far-fetched idea

[bigpoppa]

well IMO, AMD is doing an exellent job with their new lineup. Theyu are providing us enthusiests with plenty of options. Yes, 512 chache isnt the greatest, but hey its an optiion for low cash. weve got a64's, fx-51's different speeds, and a newcastle core..and im sure there is plenty more that we will find out about sometime soon. all in all i can wait to see how things are for us amd people in a few months....a lot of things will be different, and im actually pretty excited about this change.

[xDUCK]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
let me repeat myself, its probably a barton

:lol: :lol: :rotf: :rotf: :with: :bounces: :banana4: :wierd: :ROTF:

[xDUCK]

I think half the cache will (quite obviously) make the chip less scalable... :(

[Sovereignty]

Yeah. A barton with an IHS, a64 core, a64 instructions, and a64 packaging.

[Geforce4ti4200]

http://www.affordablecomputers.com/pages/products.php/SDAMDXP-3000B

http://club.cdfreaks.com/archive/topic/67647.html

The xp3000 is a barton at 166fsb from the google search I have done. It lists that thing as 512k cache too. There may be an a64 xp3000 but I have never heard of one, just the barton

[DuraN]

Stop calling the A64 CPU's XP3000+ and so on. The AthlonXP is the AthlonXP, and the Athlon 64 is only Athlon 64. Just to stop the confusion.

Its listed in norway for half the price of a A64 3200+, it says in stock 3rd january. Now i just need the NF3 250 :)

[Aldus]

Originally posted by xDUCK
I think half the cache will (quite obviously) make the chip less scalable... :(

How so ? With less transistors it seems it would be able to reach higher speeds ?

[RandomDude]

Originally posted by xDUCK
:lol: :lol: :rotf: :rotf: :with: :bounces: :banana4: :wierd: :ROTF:

[wimpie007]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
edit: maybe this is a barton. I know they have xp3200 bartons at 2.2GHz so the xp3000 could be a 2GHz barton :stick:
I don't mean to be offensive, but where have you been lately?
The barton comes in flavors of 2500+, 2600+ recently, 2800+ 3000+ and 3200+

[xDUCK]

Originally posted by Aldus
How so ? With less transistors it seems it would be able to reach higher speeds ?

Well, I meant that clock for clock, you won't see as much of a gain. Just as you don't see as much of a gain per mhz on a P4 as you do on an AMD (especially these A64's :)), this half-cache model will be a P4 of sorts (if you get what I'm trying to say).

[xDUCK]

Originally posted by wimpie007
I don't mean to be offensive, but where have you been lately?
The barton comes in flavors of 2500+, 2600+ recently, 2800+ 3000+ and 3200+

Just to clear up something about "GeforceTi4200" - he is an infamous member on another forum I frequent, and gets on everybody's nerves (just like here ;)). He has recently been temporarily banned, hence his high post count here...

[Aldus]

Originally posted by xDUCK
Well, I meant that clock for clock, you won't see as much of a gain. Just as you don't see as much of a gain per mhz on a P4 as you do on an AMD (especially these A64's :)), this half-cache model will be a P4 of sorts (if you get what I'm trying to say).

I got you now. I thought you ment they wouldnt get as high mhz wise.

[Jeff]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13171

2GHz and 512Kb it is then... :(

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Jeff
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13171

2GHz and 512Kb it is then... :(


:down:

To bad, was really looking forward to getting a new toy, back to the waiting game:(

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by xDUCK
Just to clear up something about "GeforceTi4200" - he is an infamous member on another forum I frequent, and gets on everybody's nerves (just like here ;)). He has recently been temporarily banned, hence his high post count here...


:rolleyes: I wonder why? lol..

[saaya]

i dont think the new chips will have a smaller core, same core as the fx/opteron/a64 , they just disabled half the cache on the normal chips or, more probably, are selling chips with half the cache disabled since its defective.

cache takes a huge space, its half the size of the a64 iirc, the possibility for a messed up transistor, or even a group of them or fuxored traces to be in the cache is very high. so 30-50% of the chips amd cant sell atm (i bet they are saving them to have a large supply for the release) can be sold with half the cache disabled.

i will build a 64bit pc for a good friend soon :D so i will finally be able to play with those new chips as well :)

[iceman2g]

Originally posted by xDUCK
Just to clear up something about "GeforceTi4200" - he is an infamous member on another forum I frequent, and gets on everybody's nerves (just like here ;)). He has recently been temporarily banned, hence his high post count here...

Good thought I was the only who had problems with junk he is posting. I'd ask GeforceTi4200 to try for quality post not quantity.

[saaya]

so hes for real? i thougt somebody opened a fake account and posted crap for fun and to go on our nerves :D

oh, and i dont think the missing 512kb L2 cache will make the chip much slower. especially not in games! just think of the barton, how many extra points in 2k1 did the doublig of L2 cache get us? 300? :rolleyes:

[xDUCK]

Originally posted by saaya
so hes for real? i thougt somebody opened a fake account and posted crap for fun and to go on our nerves :D

oh, and i dont think the missing 512kb L2 cache will make the chip much slower. especially not in games! just think of the barton, how many extra points in 2k1 did the doublig of L2 cache get us? 300? :rolleyes:

He's got 4112 posts on the other forum and he's only been registered since March of this year... Average of 15 posts a day, and YES they are all like this. We have been campaigning to get him banned for months, we finally got our Christmas wish. :D

[Bravo]

xDuck, thats not something to be proud of.

[xDUCK]

Originally posted by Bravo
xDuck, thats not something to be proud of.

What? He was littering our boards with the same kind of trash he posts here, and was intentionally posting false information (which is against the AUP). He was wasting everybody's time (just as he is here).

[Geforce4ti4200]

dont mind xduck he is not a nice guy, I could point out all the flames he said against me. I have not said anything negetive towards anyway and I dont post false info on purpose. I know a barton xp3000 exists. I do not know that amd will have an xp3000 a64 but it looks like they may now. Forums were made so we can have the freedom to discuss our opinions. I found it sad it wasnt the case sometimes and if others cant respect my opinions and have nothing good to say to me, dont say it. so anyway back on topic. If amd is releasing the a64 xp3000 with half the cache, it sounds like many chips had defective cache so I can see amd's point in labling em lower rating chips for half price instead of wasting them :)

[xDUCK]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
dont mind xduck he is not a nice guy, I could point out all the flames he said against me. I have not said anything negetive towards anyway and I dont post false info on purpose. I know a barton xp3000 exists. I do not know that amd will have an xp3000 a64 but it looks like they may now. Forums were made so we can have the freedom to discuss our opinions. I found it sad it wasnt the case sometimes and if others cant respect my opinions and have nothing good to say to me, dont say it. so anyway back on topic. If amd is releasing the a64 xp3000 with half the cache, it sounds like many chips had defective cache so I can see amd's point in labling em lower rating chips for half price instead of wasting them :)

Apparently the entire 30,000+ population of the other forum is also made up of "not nice" guys, because there is not one person who likes him there. :rolleyes:

As for the thread-relevant portion of your post, you are regurgitating, almost word for word, what was previously said...

Edit: And btw, I would think everyone here would agree that I AM a nice guy. :)

[eshbach]

maybe we should stop with the arguing. geforce is wrong, xDuck is typically very helpful, but this is getting ridiculous.

[sickness]

hmmmm lets get back on topic :)

nobody knows what AMD will (or already did) launch first, the Newcastle A64 3000+ 2.0ghz with 512k cache or the A64 3000+ 1.8ghz with 1MB cache

according to theinquirer, we should find out tomorrow

[quicksilver98]

hmmmm sounds like a winner to me!

[Naughtyboy]

Well it is in list here in sweden. According to reseller they´ll have it in stock 17:th this mont.

Heres the LINKAGE (http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?action=info&p=44461&t=2108&l=2&AvdID=1&CatID=4&GrpID=14&s=pl)

However it is in swedish...but I you should be able to read the bold tex above. It says "2gh 512kb cache"

Price is 2337SEK...that would be about 256 EUR....or 179 GBP

[TechTones]

Originally posted by Sovereignty
Yeah. A barton with an IHS, a64 core, a64 instructions, and a64 packaging.

:D

[LORD]

Still for all intensive purposes the 754 pin chip A64 will be made obsolete in the very near future. They will migrate to the higher pin count platform which is yet to be released.

The 754 pin format will be relegated to the value end eg AXP with no 64 bit..

That said, Newcastle appears to be upon us. :D

[Holst]

Guys can you please keep discutions of other members out of threads please.

If you have a problem with a member please email an admin.

Slagging somebody off on the forum is not acceptable behaviour, you should know better...

[Dr.Demonic69]

For ignorant people in here who just dont listen.

Athlon 64 3000xp comes with 512cache and it is 1.8ghz , wtf is so hard to saturate this info in your pos brains???? So please stop asking any further if its a barton or some defective chips from amd manuf. line. rofl this is so sad , really is.

Anyway, some guy said "since it has 512k i rather get a 2500xp barton for much less". Rofl , sad sad sad sad A64 3000xp at 1.8ghz probably is faster then 2500mhz barton so please think before u say something retarted.

[Shade00]

Originally posted by Dr.Demonic69
For ignorant people in here who just dont listen.

Athlon 64 3000xp comes with 512cache and it is 1.8ghz , wtf is so hard to saturate this info in your pos brains???? So please stop asking any further if its a barton or some defective chips from amd manuf. line. rofl this is so sad , really is.

Anyway, some guy said "since it has 512k i rather get a 2500xp barton for much less". Rofl , sad sad sad sad A64 3000xp at 1.8ghz probably is faster then 2500mhz barton so please think before u say something retarted.

Before you come in here and start calling people stupid, stop and reevaluate your facts. The current Athlon64 3000+ has 512k cache and runs at 2ghz, not 1.8. Take your own advice and think before you speak.

[RandomDude]

afaik from all the stuff I read, there seems to be 2 versions of 3000+

1. 1MB cache 1.8GHz
2. 512kB cache 2.0GHz

[Sovereignty]

Guys stop calling the a64 3000+ the "a64 3000xp", "xp3000 a64", "a64 xp3000+", or whatever else you like to call it.

It's not an athlon XP at all, and there should be no XP in the name whatsoever. Period. A64 3000+ is its only name.

Demonic: "Athlon 64 3000xp comes with 512cache and it is 1.8ghz , wtf is so hard to saturate this info in your pos brains???? So please stop asking any further if its a barton or some defective chips from amd manuf. line. rofl this is so sad , really is. "

First off I already addressed your name butchering above, but your post is ridiculous. A 1.8ghz 512kb l2 a64 does not exist. Never has and never will.

[Shade00]

Originally posted by RandomDude
afaik from all the stuff I read, there seems to be 2 versions of 3000+

1. 1MB cache 1.8GHz
2. 512kB cache 2.0GHz

There are indeed two versions, but the one in question is the 2ghz/512k version. The 1.8ghz chip is not available yet.

[wimpie007]

in their funny release movie (http://users.pandora.be/gerard.sas/wimpie/AMDAthlon64.wmv) AMD says it's an Athlon 64, not an Athlon XP 64...

Ontopic now...
Seems like an interesting chip for that price...
I might just check it out...
K8V-max3 madness :banana:

[Sovereignty]

I dont know if I'd trust another abit board for a while, after the ic7 and an7.

[wimpie007]

my nf7-s behaved badly too, but a board with 6*sata and 2*pata still gets my preference ;)

[Geforce4ti4200]

the 1mb cache and 1.8GHz sounds really sweet, even with a 9x multi. would those clock as high as the 2GHz ones? an a64 3200+ at 240x10 or a64 3000+ at 266x9? the higher fsb obviously would win out, but then you could lower the multi of the 3200+ but that cpu cost like twice as much though.


Dr.Demonic69: I got nothing against you but let me try to help:
I think people take offense to the word "retard" no matter how you use it. Even if you call what they say as "retarded" and not the person itself. Id just use the word "wrong" "false" or "errenous"

[Shade00]

The 1.8ghz chip probably would clock as high as the 3200+, but remember, current boards don't have PCI locks or dividers above 1/6.

[TechTones]

Originally posted by Shade00
The 1.8ghz chip probably would clock as high as the 3200+, but remember, current boards don't have PCI locks or dividers above 1/6.

That's right. I'm going to completely pass on the N3 chipset if they don't lock it eventually. I'm not gonna take out some nice new HDDs and other good components running a spec of PCI 45.

If you clock high enough you will get there fast.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I dont know what nvidia was thinking by omitting the pci lock? via never had pci/agp locks though

[TechTones]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
I dont know what nvidia was thinking by omitting the pci lock? via never had pci/agp locks though

I don't use Via anymore especially because of that. But with no PCI/AGP lock on the N3's, it's not for me.

I'll tell you one thing. AMD is taking a big chance with their "plan" here.

People are not buying the locked CPUs like the unlocked ones sold. The N2 line of board have gotten crappy lately. The new AMD stuff is expensive, and the cheaper alternative is single channel, plus no multies.

So instead of picking up some new AMD stuff for X-Mas like I always do, I'm not buying Anything.

What's the sense of buying the cheap AMD64 platform? Single channel, no multies except what ,9, 754 will be phased out soon,
no PCI lock, all the "privilege" for $500. Yeah right......

[Iolao]

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00500/

[LORD]

Originally posted by Iolao
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00500/

Probably good advice....

[Sovereignty]

"In short, socket 939 is the beef. Socket 754 is the sizzle. If everyone runs out and pays $200+ for sizzle, it hardly encourages AMD to sell beef for the same price. "

Very good point.

[luihed]

Originally posted by TechTones
I don't use Via anymore especially because of that. But with no PCI/AGP lock on the N3's, it's not for me.

I'll tell you one thing. AMD is taking a big chance with their "plan" here.

People are not buying the locked CPUs like the unlocked ones sold. The N2 line of board have gotten crappy lately. The new AMD stuff is expensive, and the cheaper alternative is single channel, plus no multies.

So instead of picking up some new AMD stuff for X-Mas like I always do, I'm not buying Anything.

What's the sense of buying the cheap AMD64 platform? Single channel, no multies except what ,9, 754 will be phased out soon,
no PCI lock, all the "privilege" for $500. Yeah right......

The NF3 is really not that bad of a chipset...... yes there is no pci lock but the way everybody is clocking with them it seems unneccessary, I can bench 300fsb+ with mine and thats pretty much all you need....... as for the multi, it is unlocked from 10x down...... I believe if you ask peeps with NF3 board, the majority are happy with them, including me..... my .02

[TechTones]

Originally posted by luihed
The NF3 is really not that bad of a chipset...... yes there is no pci lock but the way everybody is clocking with them it seems unneccessary, I can bench 300fsb+ with mine and thats pretty much all you need....... as for the multi, it is unlocked from 10x down...... I believe if you ask peeps with NF3 board, the majority are happy with them, including me..... my .02

So you're running a PCi spec of 50 at 300. That's pure nuts...

[sjohnson]

Nah - running 3 kr7a here for my kids, all @ 200 FSB with 4:2:1 dividers. Over a year 24/7 on all of them now and no problems, everything works great.

High PCI bus speed problems come from poor quality board components IMO, not simply the high bus speed.

[iceman2g]

I've ran my my pci components up to 42mhz, so i'd be willing to try these NF3 boards. I say bring it on.

[Jeff]

Is there a program that verifies this type of bus speed? I run my GigaByte K8N Pro anywhere from 250 to 292 1:1 and I haven't had any component complain yet... except the ram. ;)

Then again... I just realized I don't have any PCI equipment so maybe that's why. :D Who uses PCI now anyway? I have my AGP video card, there's a built in LAN. The built in sound actually sounds pretty good. And I can connect my camera to the USB port.

At any rate, I'm happy with my K8N. :toast:

[Shade00]

Onboard IDE should be affected by bus speed. If you run a PATA hard drive at close to 50mhz, I'm surprised you're not getting data corruption. I don't really know of any programs that will accurately report PCI speeds, though.

[TechTones]

Components break down over time and either just fail, or don't perform like they should. Top out of spec PCI for me is like 35-36
that's it.

Lost Circuits proved there is no PCI lock on the N3 boards.

Now sure, if you have crap peripherals you don't care. But if you have brand new stuff, and want to see it last, you won't do a PCI of 42 and 50.

It will just be a matter of time before we see the effects of high FSB with only 1/6. Components and boards will fail.

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Dr.Demonic69
For ignorant people in here who just dont listen.

Athlon 64 3000xp comes with 512cache and it is 1.8ghz , wtf is so hard to saturate this info in your pos brains???? So please stop asking any further if its a barton or some defective chips from amd manuf. line. rofl this is so sad , really is.

Anyway, some guy said "since it has 512k i rather get a 2500xp barton for much less". Rofl , sad sad sad sad A64 3000xp at 1.8ghz probably is faster then 2500mhz barton so please think before u say something retarted.
For ignorant people who don't listen, AMD has on their official website that the 3000+ runs at 2.0Ghz and has 512K cache.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9487^9505,00.html#80741

It says (under "What AMD Athlon 64 processor models are available now?") that the "model 3000+ operates at 2.0GHz with a 512KB L2 cache".

rofl this is so sad, really is.

:D :D :D :D

[eclypse]

Newegg shows it now as a 1.8GHz 512K cache.

[iceman2g]

Newegg probably has wrong description.

[eclypse]

Originally posted by iceman2g
Newegg probably has wrong description.

They had it wrong before when they first listed it at 2Ghz and 1MB cache.. you would think they would get the info striaght if they were to correct it.

[Andrew LB]

Originally posted by eclypse
They had it wrong before when they first listed it at 2Ghz and 1MB cache.. you would think they would get the info striaght if they were to correct it.

Earlier today on the main page it said 2.0ghz w/512k L2 but when you clicked to order it, the following page said 1.8ghz w/512k L2. I actually e-mailed them about it and they e-mailed me back saying it was a typo and the chip is really 1.8ghz w/512k L2. I sent that link of JungleMans back to them and have not received a reply.

[TechTones]

Originally posted by JungleMan
For ignorant people who don't listen, AMD has on their official website that the 3000+ runs at 2.0Ghz and has 512K cache.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9487^9505,00.html#80741

It says (under "What AMD Athlon 64 processor models are available now?") that the "model 3000+ operates at 2.0GHz with a 512KB L2 cache".

rofl this is so sad, really is.

:D :D :D :D

Excellent!

[sjohnson]

Originally posted by TechTones
Components break down over time and either just fail, or don't perform like they should. Top out of spec PCI for me is like 35-36
that's it.

Lost Circuits proved there is no PCI lock on the N3 boards.

Now sure, if you have crap peripherals you don't care. But if you have brand new stuff, and want to see it last, you won't do a PCI of 42 and 50.

It will just be a matter of time before we see the effects of high FSB with only 1/6. Components and boards will fail. Maxtor and WD 7200 rpm drives, SB Live, Siemens and USR wireless LAN cards, PCI TV tuners, GF3, GF4 and Radeon 8500 video cards aren't exactly crap, especially for a youth rig.

Like I said, over a year at 50 MHz PCI and 100 MHz AGP, no problems. HD SMART ratings still at 100%. The kr7a, once you find one that does 200 FSB, is a tight motherboard that just runs and runs.

How much "matter of time" do I have to wait for the supposed failures?

Hey! NP if you don't want to run high PCI bus speeds. But, what gives you the authority to make a blanket statement like that? lol, live and let live...

[TechTones]

Originally posted by sjohnson
Maxtor and WD 7200 rpm drives, SB Live, Siemens and USR wireless LAN cards, PCI TV tuners, GF3, GF4 and Radeon 8500 video cards aren't exactly crap, especially for a youth rig.

Like I said, over a year at 50 MHz PCI and 100 MHz AGP, no problems. HD SMART ratings still at 100%. The kr7a, once you find one that does 200 FSB, is a tight motherboard that just runs and runs.

How much "matter of time" do I have to wait for the supposed failures?

Hey! NP if you don't want to run high PCI bus speeds. But, what gives you the authority to make a blanket statement like that? lol, live and let live...

I don't understand. What kind of "blanket statment" did I make?

Did I name any brands?

You want to run a PCI spec of 50, go ahead and do it. I won't stop you.

[sjohnson]

The blanket statement is "It will just be a matter of time before we see the effects of high FSB with only 1/6. Components and boards will fail."

Some may see ill effects from a 1/6 divider, some may not. Follow your posts regarding high bus speeds in this thread, it appears that you're telling everyone that high bus speeds will lead to failure.

All I'm saying is that it isn't necessarily so. And, I think that a year of 24/7 operation on three rigs running a 1/4 divider and 50MHz PCI and 100 MHz AGP bears that out. It ain't necessarily "nuts" my friend ;)

[Blue078]

Hard OCP ordered one from Newegg sunday and got it in yesterday.

A64 3000+= 2Ghz 512k L2

Link (http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTYw)

[The Runner]

how much of an improvement would the a64 3000+ be over a athlon xp 1700+ @ 2.3ghz? 230fsb etc.

[iceman2g]

Don't know bout other places but they are already offering prebuilt systems with the A64 3000+ (http://www.canadacomputers.com/amd.html) at this Canadian vendor. I haven't checked others but maybe these cpus are the 1mb cpus that didn't make the cut. The cpu is $314.99cdn, for that price I can build a fairly cheap A64 system for only about $500 cdn. What you guys think of the current A64 boards? I'm liking the Shuttle also heard good things about the Gigabyte.

[DerDallmann]

I'm gonna trie the shuttle with the 2,0/512 A64! We'll see.....

DD

[The Runner]

anywhere in the UK that sells the shuttle board? And whats the KV8-MAX3 board like?

[TechTones]

Which board has the best OC voltages and options that require the least mods?

[The Runner]

the KV8-MAX3 has good voltages, 3.2vdimm etc. But its a via board, altho at 233fsb the PCI/AGP bus is corrected to 33/66 (don't know how but it is- well a reviewer said it was)

I hear the Gigabyte board is good, but does require mods - tho they're simple to do.

I'm like u tho m8, want the board which requires least mods. Chaintech board here is £150 :(!

[TechTones]

Well

I'm not buying another Abit board after the treatment we all got with the lastest batches of NF7's and the AN7 which this company specially made for us for X-mas. Bunch a great guys with hearts...:mad:

[The Runner]

i completely agree, I dislike Abit myself now.

What about the Gigabyte board? Or the EPoX board?

if ur from the US, then go for the Shuttle board.

Its looking like its a Chaintech board for me. :(

[TechTones]

Originally posted by The Runner
i completely agree, I dislike Abit myself now.

What about the Gigabyte board? Or the EPoX board?

if ur from the US, then go for the Shuttle board.

Its looking like its a Chaintech board for me. :(

Why the Shuttle over the Gigabyte?

[The Runner]

it gives better stock voltages I believe.

[TechTones]

I'm going to check out some reviews on it.

I never had a Shuttle board but heard great things about them.
I have a feeling prices will be better into the new year. A64 prices will keep dropping as it gets closer to the new 939 launch day.

[TechTones]

The options in the Shuttle don't look too great to me but I haven't look at other 64 boards yet.

Number one No memory timings?? Vdimm to 2.9v


From HardOCP review:

"The first option is the DRAM Configuration submenu. Don’t get too excited as the only option is the ability to limit the memory clock to one of the following: 100, 133, 166, and 200. In this BIOS implementation, the only other configurable RAM setting is voltage. Noticeably absent are the expected memory timings."

The CPU voltage by default is 1.50V (by setting this to Auto) and can be pushed down or up in a range of 0.800V – 1.700V. I have an opinion on this range based solely upon this board (and I’ll share it later), but of course, having access to more boards in the future will carve out the best range for the Athlon64. RAM voltage by default is 2.60V, but can be set up to 2.90V.

If one decides to really push that AGP bus much higher than 66MHz, then surely more power will be required. The default for AGP is 1.50V and can be pushed up to 1.80V. Finally, to push the LDT bus higher, the Chipset voltage can be set up to 1.90V and the LDT voltage can be set up to 1.50V. Again, experience here will dictate the true upper limits that these various components will need to achieve the best overclock."

One thing glaringly missing is the ability to control memory timings in the BIOS. This likely prevented a higher overclock as the only other way to get a decent FSB was to greatly sacrifice memory performance, but will certainly satisfy those wanting to foray into the 64-bit world with a stable product. And I would say that the single chip answer that the nForce3-150 chipset brings to market is a worthy change resulting in improved performance.


No DDR timings? How the hell can you leave that out???

[eclypse]

I just bought up a AMD 64 3000+ retail and a Chaintech NF3 MB.. I hope i can find a voltage mod for the VDIMM.

I should have it tomorrow if newegg sends it out today.

I'll let ya guys know how she overclocks.. but it might be hard if the ram limits me.


Oh i also picked up an Abit AN7 board for the hell of it.. heheh I guess i never really got a chance with the board since the 3rd dimm took a crap cause i connected that cut trace on the first one. Finally get to test the Unlocked barton 2500+ that seemed to wana do over 2700Mhz at 2.0+ vcore.

That one will have water cooling since i can get the water block on it.. I plan to compare the 2 and keep the best.

I have a feeling i should of just picked up a 3200+ with the 1MB cache but damn its like twice the price!

[TechTones]

Yeah I felt the same way about the 3000+ and 3200+.

The 3200 looks to OC better too. I'm surprised since more cache
should actually limit the OC. At least it was that way.

You have to decided if the extra cache is worth it.

But, a real real A64 has 1mb

$200 more though....:rolleyes:

[DerDallmann]

No Ram-Timings? True?

Damn, I just ordered the board........


DD

[The Runner]

Originally posted by TechTones
Yeah I felt the same way about the 3000+ and 3200+.

The 3200 looks to OC better too. I'm surprised since more cache
should actually limit the OC. At least it was that way.

You have to decided if the extra cache is worth it.

But, a real real A64 has 1mb

$200 more though....:rolleyes:

where are these results on which O/C better and which don't?

Can you link me.

Thanks :)

3 PPL recommend the Shuttle, but its not available in the UK AFAIK.

[DerDallmann]

So what? Order it somewere else, if you want one.......
Should't cost a ton!

DD

[The Runner]

well name somewhere that ships to the UK and sells it for a reasonable price and I'll consider it.

Everywhere I look online tho, the Chaintech board is getting the vote.

Also what happens with the RAM, does it run on a divider? 3:2? or something.

Thanks :)

[luihed]

Originally posted by DerDallmann
No Ram-Timings? True?

Damn, I just ordered the board........


DD

The new bios has the timings..... as for vdimm mod, its easy and the vdimm feeds off the 5v line so you can have as much voltage as you desire....... vcore mod is easy as well and all voltages are monitored in the bios for easy tuning...... If I were buying another board, id get another one.......

[sickness]

SOYO just released a NF3 mobo for Socket 754 just recently. It's $133 at newegg. There's a review for it already at

www.motherboards.org

They gave it an excellent review and the benchmarks were impressive. I might get this board myself but I would have to wait after christmas though.

[The Runner]

so where in the UK?

[TechTones]

Originally posted by luihed
The new bios has the timings..... as for vdimm mod, its easy and the vdimm feeds off the 5v line so you can have as much voltage as you desire....... vcore mod is easy as well and all voltages are monitored in the bios for easy tuning...... If I were buying another board, id get another one.......

Can you show us a screenie of te top stable OC you got with it?

[Andrew LB]

I just ordered an Athlon 64 3000+. I'll have it tomorrow (friday). I also ordered an Asus K8V motherboard because i need integrated SATA RAID, more than 2 SATA ports, and enough IDE drives for added goodies.

[TechTones]

Why do you need integrated Sata?

[sickness]

why do you need a disturbing avatar? :P

[Shade00]

Gotta wait til Christmas to get my A64 setup going... I'm giving the Leadtek K8N board a shot.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by TechTones
Can you show us a screenie of te top stable OC you got with it?
http://www3.telus.net/luis99/320

I posted it for him. Not a top CPU OC, just FSB.

[Andrew LB]

Originally posted by TechTones
Why do you need integrated Sata?

Because i have serial ATA Raid-0 on an 'onboard' silicon image chip and when compared to the canterwood boards with integrated SATA, they tend to use far less CPU power and get way higher scores.

[TechTones]

Originally posted by Andrew LB
Because i have serial ATA Raid-0 on an 'onboard' silicon image chip and when compared to the canterwood boards with integrated SATA, they tend to use far less CPU power and get way higher scores.

Are these higher scores for Raid only, or do single drives benefit from integrated sata too?

I never really looked into this before.

[luihed]

Originally posted by TechTones
Can you show us a screenie of te top stable OC you got with it?

Highest OC (3dmarkable) is in the score in my sig........

But the reason to buy the Shuttle are these......:D

http://www3.telus.net/luis99/4417
http://www3.telus.net/luis99/cpuz288

[iceman2g]

Who's results are those?

[luihed]

Mine:D..... 3d benchable at 280fsb.......

[iceman2g]

What multiplier were you using at 280fsb? BTW nice results.

[luihed]

Thanks...... I think for those I used 8 or 8.5x.... cant remember..... These mobos are friggin awesome.....

EDIT: For 280fsb on 3dmarks, I was using 9.5X...... but I can only bech at that speed if my vidcard isnt vmoded...... I think I need a better PSU....

[iceman2g]

Do you have compare url for 280fsb bench?

[luihed]

Im not sure if I clicked the online results or not as the score was nothing special...... Next time I bench though Ill save one..... besides it doesnt show 280 on the compare url cos I use clockgen.......

[TechTones]

Wow that's incredible sh*t for a AMD rig man!

Do you use crystal for the multies or does the bios allow multies?

Can you tell us your voltages again?

Also I thought the board only does 250 in the bios? New bios?

[luihed]

The highest the bios will allow is 280fsb..... as for the multi, yes I use crystal to change it, I use to never like window base overclocking utility but crystal + clockgen rock......

Vdimm on my hyperx was 4v:D at 4.08v the system shuts off .....

[TechTones]

Now tell me,

how can a system like this run day in day out with a PCI spec of 48?

I just bought new drives. I just don't get it....:rolleyes:

[eclypse]

heh you dont.. This is just for fun and benching.. Only go this route if ya have sub zero cooling.. If ya dont and ya dont plan on throwing out some ram cause ya burned it up ruing super high voltage to them, dont buy this board.. Its not for everyday.

One of these days tech me and you just gota learn to overclock enough to get some decent speed and be happy wtih a runing system that you can do stuff on and not try to spend every waking moment tryin to find that jem that will overclock crazy cause right now i dont think there is anything new unless ya wana spen over a grand for some sub zero temps.. then you'll just spend the rest of your time trying to find memory that will run super high and tight timings.. Then when ya get that you'll blow your vid card up tryin to volt mod it to get a few more points in 3dmark.. Its not worth it man. If ya have the money and love to tinker and lose your hair.. COOL! If not dont think the adverage joe can acheive the same results.

Now dont go flammin me cause i love overclocking and have been involded in the sickness since the P200MMX days hehe.

Nothing wrong with maxin out the system! Though if your worried about destroyin your new drives dont bother overclocking to crazy speeds on that rig..

[DerDallmann]

How does that crystal-thing work? Can I use higher multis with that?

DD

[TechTones]

Originally posted by DerDallmann
How does that crystal-thing work? Can I use higher multis with that?

DD

Only lower multies.

it's an in windows utility.

http://crystalmark.info/?lang=en

DerDallmann got lucky with the ram timings in the new bios! :toast:

[DerDallmann]

thanks!;)

right, man. I was thinking about sending it back.... But if the ram-timings are with the new bios, its ok!


DD

[TechTones]

Originally posted by eclypse
heh you dont.. This is just for fun and benching.. Only go this route if ya have sub zero cooling.. If ya dont and ya dont plan on throwing out some ram cause ya burned it up ruing super high voltage to them, dont buy this board.. Its not for everyday.

One of these days tech me and you just gota learn to overclock enough to get some decent speed and be happy wtih a runing system that you can do stuff on and not try to spend every waking moment tryin to find that jem that will overclock crazy cause right now i dont think there is anything new unless ya wana spen over a grand for some sub zero temps.. then you'll just spend the rest of your time trying to find memory that will run super high and tight timings.. Then when ya get that you'll blow your vid card up tryin to volt mod it to get a few more points in 3dmark.. Its not worth it man. If ya have the money and love to tinker and lose your hair.. COOL! If not dont think the adverage joe can acheive the same results.

Now dont go flammin me cause i love overclocking and have been involded in the sickness since the P200MMX days hehe.

Nothing wrong with maxin out the system! Though if your worried about destroyin your new drives dont bother overclocking to crazy speeds on that rig..

Dude I've been OC'ing for Years! I have a original Prommy here and I also have an old Maxxxpert EVa3 that is a phase change cooler from Korea.

I have ruined many, many drives running my stuff on old boards.
I have lost many drives running a PCI spec of 45 for months so I know from experience.

I have the record for the highest OC on the Epox 8K3A+. This is what I've been told. I also have a P4P800 and a 2.6c doing 3835Mhz with my Prommy. I've been running a 300 FSB for a while too at times.

As a matter of fact, here is my old highest bench on the Epox.
My PCI spec was 44.6 back then. I remember Opp and Sysfailure congratulated me on this one. I lost 2 Maxtor and 2 Western D's doing this.

[eclypse]

........ Quit jor whining and get back to killing that hardware solder!

:D

[eclypse]

Oh i think the secret for these guys runing High PCI is a specail PCI IDE raid card that can run at a PCI spec of 66.

Now how the keybaord and USB hang around.. i have no idea hehe.

[Bravo]

Pretty impressive benchmark on an 8K3A. Best i did was 220mhz @ 2-2-2-6-2 CMD Rate on my KR7A (or KX7?) TwinMOS PC-3200 (The original BH-5):

http://bravo.ausgamers.com/twinmos/220.GIF
http://bravo.ausgamers.com/twinmos/220w.GIF

I miss the glory days :(

[TechTones]

Thank you :D

Yeah those days were crazy.

I remember when I used to mod bios for the Iwill company. They used to send me free boards to mod bios for. I ran my ram at 198mhz on the XP333-R when there was only PC2100 around.

it was quite an accomplishment back then. I modded so many XP333's back then. I still have a XP333 too, but the compnay sent me a new one, and it has no multi adjustments anymore. They did this so new CPU's could run on it. I recently ran my barton 2500 and some A-data PC4000 in it. Same thing, peaked out at 198.

Man that XP333 from Iwill was WAY ahead of it's time. It has a REAL 1/6 divider. They were the only ones that did that back then.
Trouble is they chose the ALI chipset which was mem bandwidth limited.

hey nice OC on your Epox too.

BTW, I still have that exact same board under my bed! :eek:

[Shade00]

The XP333 was a sweet board. I used to run one in my main rig. Yeah, they were bandwidth limited, but you could get them to run pretty well if you tweaked out the registers. Mine didn't have multis enabled though. :( Apparently you need to vdimm mod most XP333s to get them over the 200mhz hurdle.

[TechTones]

Originally posted by Shade00
The XP333 was a sweet board. I used to run one in my main rig. Yeah, they were bandwidth limited, but you could get them to run pretty well if you tweaked out the registers. Mine didn't have multis enabled though. :( Apparently you need to vdimm mod most XP333s to get them over the 200mhz hurdle.

Did you ever use a LuckyDaze modded bios for it??

[Shade00]

Nope, never experimented with one; the XP333 had died on me because of BIOS craziness twice, and it sat in a box for a while until I got another board that I could hotflash with.

The board is actually still in use in my friend's mom's computer. If Iwill would have ever released a BIOS that supported Bartons (and perhaps multis) then I would have put it back into service as an overclocker... my 8RDA is somewhat of an underperformer.

I suppose you're LuckyDaze... what kind of mods did you do to the BIOS?

[TechTones]

I did some tweaks to enhance performance, enable ACPI, enable hidden options. Stuff like that.

I experimented with differerent tweaks and people were glad to try them out. You see, I never handed out a bios that I didn't try myself first.

Now most bios are lean and mean already. Back then mobo makers didn't approve of OC'ing at all except Abit. Especially Iwill.
They were scared of getting sued from people burning up their CPU's and ram!

Hell, the XP333 had an Undocumented 2.8v setting but Iwill wouldn't even acknowledge it. The head of marketing finally admited it to me over the phone. That it was hush hush except for OC'ers. I tell ya though, they're a great company. Good products and good support.

Too bad they decided to get out of the desktop OC'ers market.
They still have some boards for desktop but not for us guys really.

They mainly make their money off server and workstation mobos.

[luihed]

Originally posted by TechTones
Now tell me,

how can a system like this run day in day out with a PCI spec of 48?

I just bought new drives. I just don't get it....:rolleyes:

Everyday, my rig runs at 230x10=2300mhz...... I only give her hell when benching.....

[Piotr]

Originally posted by The Runner
anywhere in the UK that sells the shuttle board? And whats the KV8-MAX3 board like?

Hey. The abit board is solid. I had it for about a week now and all I can say is that I'm really impressed with this board. I don't really know why most of the places say that it is a poor overclocker when on air I run 2300 :)

KV8MAX3
Athlon64 3000+ (Newcastle)

http://home.comcast.net/~piotr/38SEC_PI.JPG

[Blue078]

Originally posted by Piotr
Hey. The abit board is solid. I had it for about a week now and all I can say is that I'm really impressed with this board. I don't really know why most of the places say that it is a poor overclocker when on air I run 2300 :)

KV8MAX3
Athlon64 3000+ (Newcastle)

http://home.comcast.net/~piotr/38SEC_PI.JPG

And you do that with the memory at 1:1 ??

I tried the Abit KV8 Max3 and it did OC well with the memory set back the PC2700 speeds.

But out of the 4 different brands of memory I tried with it 1:1 would crap out at 210FSB

Even the same HyperX 3500 that is doing 230 1:1 in my K8N Pro

[Piotr]

Originally posted by Blue078
And you do that with the memory at 1:1 ??

I tried the Abit KV8 Max3 and it did OC well with the memory set back the PC2700 speeds.

But out of the 4 different brands of memory I tried with it 1:1 would crap out at 210FSB

Even the same HyperX 3500 that is doing 230 1:1 in my K8N Pro

Hi. Yes, I run 1:1 :)
I'm attaching a pic with cpuz.

http://home.comcast.net/~piotr/1_1.PNG

[Blue078]

Originally posted by Piotr
Hi. Yes, I run 1:1 :)
I'm attaching a pic with cpuz.

http://home.comcast.net/~piotr/1_1.PNG

:) Nice..what BIOS rev are you useing?? And what memory ??

[Piotr]

Originally posted by Blue078
:) Nice..what BIOS rev are you useing?? And what memory ??

Bios rev 18 and the ram is Corsair XMS3200LL PRO.
One thing people tend to overlook is the need for a high quality ram... Another thing I should point out is the need for a nice power supply. Make sure that the power supply will deliver what it's supposed to. I had an Antec 400 Watt and it wasn't good for this system. Picked up a True 500 watt power supply and can't complain, the system runs rock solid @ 230FSB... :)

I will try to run faster speeds, but only with a better cooling solution. Right now it's all stock, but not for long ;)