Prescott chips out on the 2nd of February

[Blind_GI]

The prices are as follows:

The new NetBurst chips will be priced as follows:
- Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.40GHz - $999
- Intel Pentium 4 SSE3 “Northwood” 3.40GHz - $417
- Intel Pentium 4 SSE3 “Prescott” 3.40GHz - $417
- Intel Pentium 4 SSE3 “Prescott” 3.20GHz - $278
- Intel Pentium 4 SSE3 “Prescott” 3.00GHz - $218
- Intel Pentium 4 SSE3 “Prescott” 2.80GHz - $178





All I can say is... Interesting...

Edit: Oops, forgot to post the link :p: Well HERE (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20031203151532.html) it is ;)

EDITTED by KnightElite: fixed your link. It is the [url] tags, not [link] tags

[faruquehabib]

northwood and prescott 3.4 same $$? whats the difference in those cores?

[Blind_GI]

Well for one the Prescott will be manufactored on a 90nm core, and will also have 1mb of L2 cache, while the P4c's (Northwoods) have 512kb. This plus a diffrent architecture that is, but im not sure what has changed and how much better the Prescott will actually be (that 10% thing can be a load of crap, or 100% true... no one really knows yet).

All in all for the price you really can't go wrong. I mean we know they will be faster then the current Northwood's now (its inevitable), and they will run at a cheaper price (then they currently are now). And hopefully Intel will get the heat issue under control so we can really utilize that 90nm core for some great OC'ing ;)

[zakelwe]

Some new instructions as well as the extra cache.

It's sort of being written off at present but under extreme cooling if it can go very high with that extra cache then it may prove to be a surprise.

Fugger has dropped a hint here or there, but who knows how it will do under very cold temps, who is willing to say who knows?

Regards

Andy

[QuadDamage]

higher heat output makes me wanna buy one and save on central heating by upto 50%:D

[drunkenmaster]

well, with the "northwood" mentioning SSE3 that will simply be a prescott that they made under a 0.13core. Ran up a few batches maybe just to get some new P4's(internals rather than size) out in greater numbers?

If thats true then, really, the northwood version may well clock better. Jsut going on intels previous die shrinking and a definate drop in usable voltage, well if they both put out roughly same heat, overheating 0.13 compared to problematic 0.09 then the great the northy version may simply go higher as it might allow higher voltages without sudden death.

But again the problem as i see it is, the 3.4Ghz prescott has been said to be slower than the 3.2EE, which is objectively, a teeny bit slower than the fx51, teh fx 53 is out any day and the fx55 could easily make it out for then.

Also i mentioned a while back, that the prescott would make sense to be delayed to a early grantsdale, pci-e r420 type of time. SO maybe the northy version is only being made to give current 875 users an option, and teh 0.09 prescott will be the new socket. Who knows, speculating is fun though :p also, when you've been up for 30 odd hours ya mind races with all kindsa crap :p

[Soulburner]

Those Prescott processors listed up there are 90nm versions. There won't be a 130nm Prescott.

[skate2snow]

but what SSE3 will have of much better then SSE2??

BTW:P4 Northy 3.4 is looking like the best deal for the price and performance.

[Iridium192_217]

man 3.2c for $275 great deal

[skate2snow]

its i dont whant to go whit prescott before i know what stock cooling they have (its not very important its just for have one good if my futur chiller broke i will use it tamporary) and if the heat is a pobleme. but if they have good critiques i will go whit those prescott

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by skate2snow
but what SSE3 will have of much better then SSE2??

BTW:P4 Northy 3.4 is looking like the best deal for the price and performance.
What are you smoking? The Prescott is the same price...

[charlie]

I'll be all over a 3.4 Prescott... I guess now we just wait to see what kind of packaging? Same old 478 pin as usual? When will that strange NEW socket come out?
C

[skate2snow]

look my new post i just said i will whait to know whats are the critique and if they have good OC

[skate2snow]

ya soul im too much smoking...LOL the Prescott have an way better deal

[Soulburner]

I dunno while they do have good prices that 3.4 has a crazy high multi....i'd take the 2.8 or 3.0 personally.

[skate2snow]

just wtf P3.4 is 417$ and P3.4EE is 999$ its very expensive and dont have an SO BIG difference,not for the price, 500+$ for an 2mb L3 is not a deal its a steal(or stoled i dont know how to say that)

BTW:SoulBurner your GeforceFX 5900 is awsome!!!!

[autoexec]

"Intel Pentium 4 SSE3 “Northwood” 3.40GHz - $417 "

northwoods dont have sse3 do they?

[CrashOv3r1De]

Guys I have to say that these are simply amazing prices....Now I know where my loyalty lies...Intel w00t!

Ill be on the Prescott 3.4Ghz @ $417 (cheaper then A64 when it was first released)

Hoping to overclock it to 4.4~ for some Xtreme benchmarks and then have it aroudn 4.0~4.2 for daily use

well so far have no idea how they overclock

[Blind_GI]

Well they are supposed to be good OC'ers, but know one knows for sure though. I mean these prices are great... and even if they OC like crap we always have the LGA version coming out in Q2 or 3 :D

Can't wait till some reviews come out on these bad boys... Hell I can't wait to buy one myself ;)

[Speed_Mechanic]

Originally posted by charlie
I'll be all over a 3.4 Prescott... I guess now we just wait to see what kind of packaging? Same old 478 pin as usual? When will that strange NEW socket come out?
C

Intel's Alderwood and Grantsdale chipsets, and LGA755 (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20031016153905.html) (Socket T) motherboards, are due out in 2Q/3Q 2004.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20031117112640.html

[CrashOv3r1De]

This is so exciting

Intel is finally ready to unleash its onslaught on amd :D

itsa gonna be one hell of a bloody war

[skate2snow]

Originally posted by autoexec
"Intel Pentium 4 SSE3 “Northwood” 3.40GHz - $417 "

northwoods dont have sse3 do they? the N3.4 have SSE3

[Iridium192_217]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23827

^ why Im loyal to Intel

[Blind_GI]

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
This is so exciting

Intel is finally ready to unleash its onslaught on amd :D

itsa gonna be one hell of a bloody war

Exactly what I was thinking ;)

[skate2snow]

but we should all have in mind that it will run at its very low potentiel becose are present board does not suport micro 0.09 and thats one of the most valuable difference. but im so impatient to try it. it look to have better perf then we all thinking.

BTW: is it good im buying some new RAM just before new revolution comes out???

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by skate2snow
BTW:SoulBurner your GeforceFX 5900 is awsome!!!!
Its not a bad card at all.....but im gonna give the 9800 a try.

[skate2snow]

your mem as the bigest clock i never seen bt your engine dident imprest me that much coze my 9600PRO is stock engine is 400 and OC is 500 for bench

[Soulburner]

You can't compare two different cards though....

I bench at 490/900, no mods, stock air. It does 510 but its slower, 490 is the sweet spot.

[skate2snow]

oh for the 490 whit GeForceFX is prettu good!!

good job :toast:

[freeloader]

Yeah, Intel's so great, most of you who bought Canterwood/Springdale motherboards will have to upgrade your motherboard yet again, to run the new chip. :) Doesn't this bother any of you?.

The first release of the Prescott isn't going to scale very high. Some of you xtreme overclockers with the phase changers will do pretty good.

Just a guess, but I'm pretty sure a 2.6ghz FX-55 (56 or 57...whatever they call it) will pretty much beat a Prescott upto 3.8-4.0 Ghz.

"IF" AMD is on time with it's .09micron release, we will indeed be in for a good year of competition.

[Chris_F]

Who plans on getting a prescott? I'll only get one if they reach 4.4GHz+ on phase change cooling.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by freeloader
Yeah, Intel's so great, most of you who bought Canterwood/Springdale motherboards will have to upgrade your motherboard yet again, to run the new chip. :) Doesn't this bother any of you?.
And it doesn't bother you that the 940 pin FX guys are in the same boat?

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by Soulburner
What are you smoking? The Prescott is the same price...


I was gonna say the same. The only guys who would pay the same for a slower northwood are those with legency mobos that dont support prescott. youd need a new mobo for those prescotts. also those 90nm prescotts should oc better due to smaller die size and lower voltages


"I dunno while they do have good prices that 3.4 has a crazy high multi....i'd take the 2.8 or 3.0 personally."


I am supprised Intel chose to make em below 3.2GHz like they said before, none below 3.2 I guess theyd rather compete with themselves as long as its not against amd. That means instead of getting an xp2500 barton or xp3200 a64 they just get a 2.8 or 3.0 and overclock to 4.2 on good air or 4.5 on simple water. We could be seeing 5 to 5.5GHz overclocks from guys like Oppainter, Macci, Fugger, etc :slobber:

I just noticed it says banned under CrashOv3r1De's name wow I wonder what happened! :confused:


"Who plans on getting a prescott? I'll only get one if they reach 4.4GHz+ on phase change cooling."

depends how cold, if its really good you could hit 5GHz but this is wishy speculation on my part. the 2.8c sounds most tempting though, an easy 4 to 4.4GHz on high end air cooling for less than half an a64 xp3200s price. a 2.8d prescott at 4.2GHz on 5:4 ram would be equal to an athlon 64 at 2.5GHz at 1:1, is that about right? of course id need really good ram at 3.2v to do 240+ fsb if I cant get ram thatll do that then its not worth doing 3:2 since youd lose much of the performance :stick:

[drunkenmaster]

except that you're going on intels prices after 3 new chips, 3.4 northy, prescott and EE are out which push prices down. By then the 2400 and 3600+ will be out, so the 3200+ will probably be down to £150-200, maybe even a little less when 0.09 939 push s754 prices down.

As i said, a board doesn't have to support a size of core, thats irrelevant, there is not a 0.13 version of the prescott for compatibility, if the internals arethe same but bigger then compatibility will be identical. That means there must be a reason for bringing out a 0.13 version. Maybe its for all the failed 3.4EE's? Maybe its because intel can't get good yields of 3.4prescotts, which from all we've heard is quite possible. IF thats also the case, then expecting easy good clocks is optimistic to say the least.

Also, as we can see from the orb, and from using te chips, the 3200+ is faster than a 3.2Ghz p4, and can beat a 3.2EE, the 3.4prescott WILL be slower than the 3.2EE, intel said that, so the 3200+ should still be faster, let alone the 3400/3600+ at stock, then clocking on newer steppings by then could be much better, not that it isn't good now.

I was thikning maybe 3.2EE's could get quite cheap, but as i understand it they are made ina fab same as xeons then repackaged and in small quantities, if so i think the 3.4EE production woul djust have to fully replace the 3.2EE. :( A £400 3.2EE would be pretty sweet but i don't think we'll see any.

[Geforce4ti4200]

seeing the xp3200 is at $420 now and it owns any of Intels current cpus, I dont see that chip going down to $200 for at least a year. I probably wont even bother upgrading my cpu, but for those that do, wont a 2.8d at 4.2GHz prescott dish out good performance compared to the a64? were talking well over 1GHz clock differences here

[skate2snow]

Originally posted by Soulburner
I dunno while they do have good prices that 3.4 has a crazy high multi....i'd take the 2.8 or 3.0 personally. what do you whant to meen by high multi?? that chip is cheap faster and whit an brandnew powerful tech

[Dajo]

Originally posted by Chris_F
Who plans on getting a prescott? I'll only get one if they reach 4.4GHz+ on phase change cooling.

I Will be all over the 3,4 Prescott :D

//DAJO

[mr. Charles]

...............so....to start off; if ya want one of these New "sweetie's" (3.4 & up) ya gotta think about a Newer MotherBoard, also??? then next would be the Newer, faster, memory module's, eh????.................then what's after that................but of course...............silly me.............the NEWER and faster Video Cards..............etc..........then, ..etc............{ oh, i can see the video cards hiting a new high price tag.........$$$$.00..... }:eek: :ROTF: :lol: :censored: :bounces:

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by Dajo
I Will be all over the 3,4 Prescott :D

//DAJO


youd be far better off with a 2.8d or 3.0d due to the higher fsb and there might be ram thatll do 300fsb in sync too :D

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by skate2snow
what do you whant to meen by high multi?? that chip is cheap faster and whit an brandnew powerful tech
A multiplier of 17 severely limits your FSB.

[freeloader]

As quoted by Soulburner...


And it doesn't bother you that the 940 pin FX guys are in the same boat?

Not at all. How many times in the last three years has Intel changed chipsets and sockets? I've lost count. If you're an Intel user and you keep buying into this "profits before customers", then you deserve what you get. AMD does it once (and that's still not confirmed that a 939 pin future AMD processor won't work in a 940 pin board) and your complaining about it?

[Soulburner]

Who's complaining? I never complained about anything, I don't even own one so why would I? I only said that because someone made a remark about Intel changing boards.

[Dajo]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
youd be far better off with a 2.8d or 3.0d due to the higher fsb and there might be ram thatll do 300fsb in sync too :D

Hmm im thinking 250-260fsb 1:1 and 5 2 2 2 timings......

//DAJO

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Dajo
Hmm im thinking 250-260fsb 1:1 and 5 2 2 2 timings......

//DAJO
I'm thinking 300x14 5:4 2-2-2-5.

:D

[Dajo]

Originally posted by Soulburner
I'm thinking 300x14 5:4 2-2-2-5.

:D

HEHE yea but if i know myself, if i get the 2,8 it wont go over 250 anyway... so i mught as well take the 3,4 who knows maybe it can go higher on a Mach 2

[skate2snow]

Originally posted by Soulburner
A multiplier of 17 severely limits your FSB. high multi is not bad coze you have almost the same OC coze its 17x1FSB so you can probably OC more coze some board have difficulty to reach high FSB. i think its better at that multi then at 15x

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by skate2snow
high multi is not bad coze you have almost the same OC coze its 17x1FSB so you can probably OC more coze some board have difficulty to reach high FSB. i think its better at that multi then at 15x
High FSB 5:4 always beats low FSB 1:1, even at the same final speed.

[charlie]

17 is a GREAT multi...
PERIOD.
17 x 250 1:1 is 4250mHz
17 x 260 1:1 is 4420mHz
17 x 265 1:1 is 4505mHz

Any questions?

C

[skate2snow]

the probleme for OC is always the memory coze its not enough powerful so if we dont have to raise it to much we will have higher OC whit the same mem performance

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by charlie
17 is a GREAT multi...
PERIOD.
17 x 250 1:1 is 4250mHz
17 x 260 1:1 is 4420mHz
17 x 265 1:1 is 4505mHz

Any questions?

C
Yeah, and 320x14 5:4 is 4480Mhz and will be faster...you should know that.

[Geforce4ti4200]

not to mention alot cheaper. also dont be so sure all cpus will do 4.5GHz, those that dont, youd be disadvantaged at 240x17=4080MHz but get a 2.8c at 280x14=3920 and run the ram at 1:1

[charlie]

Not neccessarily...
At equal timings, equal CPU mHz I'm not convinced the divider is faster. I think you're thinking about:
3.2C - 16 x 250 1:1 PC4000 @ cas2.5, 4,4,8
vs.
2.6C - 13 x 308 5:4 PC3500 @ cas2, 2,2,5

In this case, of course the 2.6C is faster...

but I believe:

3.4P - 17 x 250 with BH-5 1:1 @ cas2, 2,2,5

is FASTER than

2.8P - 14 x 303 with BH-5 5:4 @ cas2, 2,2,5

not believe...I KNOW it's faster

C

[Soulburner]

I don't understand how that would be faster...you are talking about a 1000Mhz data rate vs a 1200Mhz+ data rate.

[skate2snow]

if you can do an higher clock whit an still enough close bus speed it will be the higher will win and for the RAM its pretty good for clocks. The bus is not higher but the clock way much!! and what charlie shows is probably not the max of that chip. (I think).

[Chris_F]

Yeah, and 320x14 5:4 is 4480Mhz and will be faster...you should know that.

Yeah, and 367x12 would be even better. :rolleyes:

[skate2snow]

but do you think if Prescott could go at that FSBÉÉ it whould be awesome

[QuadDamage]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Yeah, and 320x14 5:4 is 4480Mhz and will be faster...you should know that.

amen to that.


At equal timings, equal CPU mHz I'm not convinced the divider is faster

how's that? if i run my cpu at 4480 for example, just like you, and i'm running around 260mhz memory again just like you + i got 320fsb on chipset compared to your 260fsb or so how can you say your settings are faster?

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Chris_F
Yeah, and 367x12 would be even better. :rolleyes:
Yes but here's the bad news....there is no 2.4 Prescott.

[wimpie007]

Looking forward to see these new puppy's on the market...
But I'm not upgrading soon, and if I do, there won't be 400$ cpu's anywhere...
Hope they can make the difference...

[skate2snow]

the P3.4 will outperform big time 367x12. if the Prescott can do something like 280 or 290FSB it whould be the faster whe can have. but who know what the Prescott can do?

[Geforce4ti4200]

has anyone thought that we may soon have ram thatll do 1:1 at 300fsb? this means forget those 5:4 dividers and also forget the 3.4d since their multis are too high for 300fsb. the 2.8d and 3.0d will be the sweet spots

[Soulburner]

Yup a Prescott 2.8 on Grantsdale with LGA775, PCI Express, R420, and some sweet .11 micron DDR2 running 1:1 at 300x14 is what i'm waiting for. I'm tired of this system and its gonna be tough to hold off that long...

[skate2snow]

i dont think the 2.8 whould be the best. Coze the multi dont change very much the performance its giving you the same FSB at the end but whit an higher clock.

[Geforce4ti4200]

the 2.8d is the cheapest and you can get the highest fsb with that. itll be the best choice for air cooling. for exotic cooling, the 3.0d or even 3.2d might be better depending on how your ram can overclock of course ;)

[skate2snow]

i still think the 3.4 is the best. But i dont have the money to get it so i will probably take the 2.8 or 3.0

[Geforce4ti4200]

ok explain why you think the 3.4d is the best? it may be the best for 1:1 ram, but you can get 5:4 ram on a 2.8d at much higher fsb and itll match or beat the 3.4d at a fraction of the price.......

[skate2snow]

its becose if we can set the P3.4 at the same FSB then the P2.8 it whould have the same bus speed but an way higher clock. But no one know if that chip can do that.

[Geforce4ti4200]

well lets find out how far prescotts can go and on what cooling, but historically people have prefered the lower multi chips since they have more ocing headroom. take the 300a for example, it was more popular than the 333, 366, 400 celerons since many people got 450, 464 or even 504 on air(I got 504!) while the 366's youd hope for 550, if not then its worthless compared to a 300 at 450. another example is with the coppermine p3 chips, people avoided the "eb" and higher multis since a 600e could do 900 which is 150fsb but get a 750 and youd be lucky to get 1GHz and if you did, at 133fsb it wouldnt be any faster than the 900MHz

[skate2snow]

before i was in OC i wasent thinking BUS speed was making a difference but when i OC my 2.8@3.2=910FSB total it was way much better then the 3.2. so thats why the P2.8 is the best choice????? but if P3.4 can do the same FSB it will be better but for overall of price and performance it will be tie.

BTW: can anyone go see this tread (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=23978) please help im deseperated whitout my comp

[Speed_Mechanic]

The generally best overclocking processors are the lowest speed-rated (2.8GHz - 14 Multiplier) with the latest "technology". They cost the least, and, usually, have the highest head-room for an overclock. This is not saying that they will be the best performing, those may very well be be the highest speed-rated (3.4GHz - 17 Multiplier), but this isn't a given.

Right now, the "memory market" is not in the best spot. It's in a transition that doesn't appear to be smooth at all. The best performing memory chips (Hynix D43 and Winbond BH-5) are both almost 2 years since being ES. Since memory is limited, the comparison becomes between Low Multiplier w/ 5:4 or High Multiplier w/ 1:1 (assuming low latency for both).

[skate2snow]

but like ive said before by overall of price, performance and OC they are on the same line but for the overall of perfomance and OC its the P3.4 is over

[Speed_Mechanic]

Originally posted by skate2snow
but like ive said before by overall of price, performance and OC they are on the same line but for the overall of perfomance and OC its the P3.4 is over

That is not always the case, though. It's not a given by any means.

[skate2snow]

but for like its right now(by prevision) its like that

[Blind_GI]

It all depends on the cooling... if your using extreme cooling (LN2, Phase Change) then your going to want the higher multi, or in this case the 3.4 (considering that they OC good to begin with). A 300FSB at a 17 Multi would lead to a 5.1ghz OC... and if you get some Mushkin Lv. 2 that can run at 240FSB with 2-2-5-2 timings then your all set (and my XMS can run at 230FSB with 2-2-5-2 with a VDimm and VTT problem, so I think some Mushkin Lv. 2 can get the job done).

Edit: Typo

[afireinside]

LN0 2? Its LN2...
Also, we know what xtreme cooling is :p: You should get an icon ;)

We dont even know how these things will OC so lets stop making little guess plans :p:

[STEvil]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
well lets find out how far prescotts can go and on what cooling, but historically people have prefered the lower multi chips since they have more ocing headroom. take the 300a for example, it was more popular than the 333, 366, 400 celerons since many people got 450, 464 or even 504 on air(I got 504!) while the 366's youd hope for 550, if not then its worthless compared to a 300 at 450. another example is with the coppermine p3 chips, people avoided the "eb" and higher multis since a 600e could do 900 which is 150fsb but get a 750 and youd be lucky to get 1GHz and if you did, at 133fsb it wouldnt be any faster than the 900MHz

What the old celerons did was more related to build codes and motherboard build quality.

My old 366 did 550 all stock, 595 with a crappy psu and 2.6v... and stock cooling.

Have a 400 I haven't been able to play with.. 500 stock volts so far.

I need a BE-6 or something.

[Blind_GI]

Yea I threw a O in there by mistake ;)

Sure know one knows how well they will OC, but if they are anything like the Northwoods then what I said stands to be true (or close to it).

P.S There I got my icon finally... This is what I actually look like :D, meaning its a lil stupid pic of me.

[JoeBar]

Let's just wait and see... :)

[Hallowed]

Originally posted by QuadDamage
amen to that.



how's that? if i run my cpu at 4480 for example, just like you, and i'm running around 260mhz memory again just like you + i got 320fsb on chipset compared to your 260fsb or so how can you say your settings are faster?

Latency, QD. 1:1 will (or should) always outperform 5:4 etc if mem speed is the same.

macci's 1:1 runs on P4 had brutal system scores for its day.

[skate2snow]

it sure but its hard to hit some high OC whit that ratio coze the RAM have difficulty to support the frenquecie it well give but when you can do it its the better thing you can Have for your RAM