Fall 2009 XS Cheapazchips 3D Challenge

[[XC] gomeler]

Hear ye, hear ye! Ye olde Cheapazchips 3D Challenge is fast approaching! In continuing with the fine tradition of Cheapazchips we will be voting for the chip we fancy benching for a good spell.

The options in greater detail:

GeForce 9500GT
32 SP 128-bit 512MB-1024MB GDDDR2/GDDR3 $40/60

Radeon HD 3850
320 SP 256-bit 512MB GDDR3 $70-$90

Card selected by poll - Radeon HD 4670
320 SP 128-bit 512MB-1024MB GDDR3 $55-$70

Radeon HD 4650
320 SP 128-bit 512MB-1024MB GDDR2

Ye Olde Rules
The Rules

1) Competition date is tentatively set for September 14th, 2009 at 5PM EST.

1a) Final submission date is tentatively set for October 31st, 2009 at 5PM EST.

1b) Submission must be in the form of a screen shot showing the following
CPU Speed
GPU Speed
Memory Speed
Memory Timings
Benchmark Settings(3D05)
Benchmark FPS(optional)

2) The videocard selected is the Radeon HD 4670. 512MB/1024MB memory is acceptable, must be GDDR3.

3) Benchmarks are Aquamark 3 and 3DMark 2005.

4) HWBOT Rules Apply to Visual Quality, so no mipmapping or off with ye head.

5) No cpu cap

6) Classes will be Normal(Air/Water on CPU/GPU) and Extreme(Anything Goes)

7) Submit results to HWBot Cheapazchips 09 (http://hwbot.org/competition/XS_Cheapazchips)

[TheGoat Eater]

9500GT DDR3 :D -this ought to be fun !

[tool_462]

I vote 4670 for a few reasons, primarily being that they OC like mad and the vmods are nice and easy :D As well as they are available with all sorts of cooling options and make a solid HTPC/low res gamer/folder for when the game is over :up:

[[XC] gomeler]

I voted GTX 295 as I have two sitting here :D Realistically I'm leaning on the HD 4670 for the "OC like mad" trait :p:

[George_o/c]

HD4670 all the way :up: Here in Greece the EVGA 9500GT 512MB GDDR3-128bit costs ~45€ and the Sapphire 4670 1GB edition only 60€. What's more rational ? :D
Bring on the ATi cards :D

[tool_462]

Curious what benches will be run? Need to brush up on my ATI tweaks for 01/03 if those will be used :p:

[JamesBong420]

voted 4670 here. :yepp:

[George_o/c]

2k1 with ATi is soooo fun. Riva Tuner settings optimization and windows registry tweaks at their finest ! :yepp:

[tool_462]

2k1 with ATi is soooo fun. Riva Tuner settings optimization and windows registry tweaks at their finest ! :yepp:

My favorite benching of all time was with 8800GTS 512 on 01, never really pursued it on ATI but I'd love to have a reason to learn :up:

[George_o/c]

ATi in comparison with NVIDIA is a little "hard to take". From what I've seen 'till now, NVIDIA VGAs are easier when benchmarking. ;)

[MTP04]

Voted for 4670, fun little card.:)

[George_o/c]

Can someone please link me to 4670 mods ? Perhaps ? :D

[MTP04]

Can someone please link me to 4670 mods ? Perhaps ? :D

I'll show you the vmods if you can share your windows registry tweaks?:D

[George_o/c]

Can someone please link me to 4670 mods ? Perhaps ? :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=204687 :p:

[MTP04]

Didn't hurt to try LOL!;)

[George_o/c]

If the registry tweaks were mine believe me I would have shared them already. But only a few of them are my findings :(

[MTP04]

If the registry tweaks were mine believe me I would have shared them already. But only a few of them are my findings :(

No problem, I understand.:)

[Don_Dan]

9500GT DDR3 :D -this ought to be fun !

Voted for 9500GT DDR3 too! :)

[FatAlbert]

if I wll have enough cash I'll play with ya ! :D

i choose the 4670 ddr3 b'coz of the known vmod ;)

[G.Foyle]

HD4670 please.

[clem9]

HD4670 please.
agree :)

[toyone]

+1 4670 :up:

[jugeen]

Definitely GeForce 9500GT :clap:

[massman]

HD4670 all the way :up: Here in Greece the EVGA 9500GT 512MB GDDR3-128bit costs ~45€ and the Sapphire 4670 1GB edition only 60€. What's more rational ? :D
Bring on the ATi cards :D

The 9500GT is more rational as it's cheaper? :confused:

[youngpro]

okay im down as long as 3dmark03 isnt involved :)

[Stapler]

I voted for the 4670, but are we sure it isn't bugged in '03 the way 48xx cards are?

[\/ENDE][A]

+1 for 4670, just happen to have one on the way:)
Only used ATI once before so, it will be good learning experience for me.

[subaruwrc]

+1 for HD4670 DDR3-and If the benchmark haven't decided yet, I suggest 2k5 :up:

[proxis]

voted 4670 even though i like the gddr3 8600gt/9500gt but those cards have very strange oc limits

[carpo93]

voted for 4670

and +1 for 3dmark05

[[XC] gomeler]

I like the idea of 3D05. How about AM3 also? Or 3D06? I don't mind 03 but I'm sick of 01 and a lot of us(me :D) don't have E8xxx/REX rigs anymore.

[subaruwrc]

gomeler;3997073']I like the idea of 3D05. How about AM3 also? Or 3D06? I don't mind 03 but I'm sick of 01 and a lot of us(me :D) don't have E8xxx/REX rigs anymore.

I think AM3 is good too with 2k5 because we don't have to change cpu to reach good results but If we vote 2k6 we have to have a quad too.

[FatAlbert]

2005 +1 for ya guys

[[XC] gomeler]

I think AM3 is good too with 2k5 because we don't have to change cpu to reach good results but If we vote 2k6 we have to have a quad too.

AM3/05 works for me, I still get to use my quad :D AM3/05 will be such a quick benchmark session, nobody will have an excuse for not submitting results.

[TheGoat Eater]

am3 /05 is a great combo - I like that idea :up:

[subaruwrc]

gomeler;3997117']AM3/05 works for me, I still get to use my quad :D AM3/05 will be such a quick benchmark session, nobody will have an excuse for not submitting results.

Great, If im not mistaken we decided which benchmark will be used :D

[G.Foyle]

3dm05 + Phenom II = fun
At least we will have different rigs in this competition, not just a bunch of E8600/REX setups.

[subaruwrc]

3dm05 + Phenom II = fun
At least we will have different rigs in this competition, not just a bunch of E8600/REX setups.

It would be cool, E86 + REX combos are boring, If I would get a phenom 2 with a mobo and some litres of Ln2 I would push it to its limits, but untill then I have to use my boring E86+REX combo :D

[quake6]

What about limiting CPU speed? Something like THIS (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=220415). But there was GPU limit...

[tool_462]

am3 /05 is a great combo - I like that idea :up:

Agreed.

Assuming there will be 1 class in terms of cooling? I had to sell all my cold stuff due to job loss so I'm stuck on water or air :cry:

[subaruwrc]

What about limiting CPU speed? Something like THIS (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=220415). But there was GPU limit...

I think it's not a good idea because this is a weak vga compared to GTX285-295's and It would be less fun to OC it if there isnt enough cpu power. Maybe Im thinking the wrong way.. If it is true, than sorry.

[George_o/c]

The 9500GT is more rational as it's cheaper? :confused:

I didn't say it's rationaly 'cause of the price. I meant that 4670 is clearly the best choice in terms of overclockability and fun involved with that precious little card :up:

[[XC] gomeler]

What about limiting CPU speed? Something like THIS (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=220415). But there was GPU limit...

No CPU speed limit. That turns this into a tweak-fest, which makes it not nearly as entertaining. I plan on running dry ice on the card and at least cascade on the CPU :D In the end it won't matter that much though, I suspect an E8600 at 4.5GHz will max these cards out with a marginal increase in points from 4.5GHz to 6GHz.


Agreed.

Assuming there will be 1 class in terms of cooling? I had to sell all my cold stuff due to job loss so I'm stuck on water or air :cry:

Two classes like last time I think is best. Air/water and everything else.

[subaruwrc]

gomeler;3997313']No CPU speed limit. That turns this into a tweak-fest, which makes it not nearly as entertaining. I plan on running dry ice on the card and at least cascade on the CPU :D In the end it won't matter that much though, I suspect an E8600 at 4.5GHz will max these cards out with a marginal increase in points from 4.5GHz to 6GHz.



Two classes like last time I think is best. Air/water and everything else.

Can I submit results In all categories, e.g with cpu/gpu aircooled and after that with cpu/gpu dice cooled?

[[XC] gomeler]

Can I submit results In all categories, e.g with cpu/gpu aircooled and after that with cpu/gpu dice cooled?

I right now don't see anything wrong with this. Probably for the best to have the sub-ambient guys do both so we get some results in. Would hate for all of us to kill the cards on ln2/dice and have no results :eek:

[tool_462]

gomeler;3997313']No CPU speed limit. That turns this into a tweak-fest, which makes it not nearly as entertaining. I plan on running dry ice on the card and at least cascade on the CPU :D In the end it won't matter that much though, I suspect an E8600 at 4.5GHz will max these cards out with a marginal increase in points from 4.5GHz to 6GHz.



Two classes like last time I think is best. Air/water and everything else.

Good, I like both decisions on that front :up:

AM3/05 sound fun to me, I've NEVER even run 05 on an ATI card :ROTF:

[subaruwrc]

gomeler;3997345']I right now don't see anything wrong with this. Probably for the best to have the sub-ambient guys do both so we get some results in. Would hate for all of us to kill the cards on ln2/dice and have no results :eek:

Yeah this is the first reason why Im asking this, the second is because If 4.5ghz is enough as you said, maybe I won't put my cpu under cold because It can pass easily 2k5 at 4.5 so the only thing is to worry about is the card.

[George_o/c]

2k5 and AM3 sound perfect. Another question: When is the competition starting ?

[FatAlbert]

George relax ;)

we should wait for other people.

[TheKarmakazi]

Im in for this one :D

I agree with the consensus... 4670 & AM3/05

[George_o/c]

Im in for this one :D

I agree with the consensus... 4670 & AM3/05

I thought most of your hardware were sent off for RMAs :D

[Deanzo]

4670, AM3/05 works for me.

[\/ENDE][A]

AM3/05 sounds good to me:up: My E8600 is good for 5ghz in both.

[[XC] gomeler]

2k5 and AM3 sound perfect. Another question: When is the competition starting ?

A few days after the poll ends. So you guys all have ~28 days to acquire your hardware and tweaks :up: The 9500GT has picked up a good number of votes in the last day but the HD 4670 is way out in the lead.

[subaruwrc]

[A;3997823']AM3/05 sounds good to me:up: My E8600 is good for 5ghz in both.

Here is a 5.6-5.7ghz 2k5 chip on dice ;)

[XC] Gomeler

So we have 28 days from now? Or I missed something?

[massman]

I didn't say it's rationaly 'cause of the price. I meant that 4670 is clearly the best choice in terms of overclockability and fun involved with that precious little card :up:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/lolz.png

It is? :confused:

[[XC] gomeler]

Here is a 5.6-5.7ghz 2k5 chip on dice ;)

[XC] Gomeler

So we have 28 days from now? Or I missed something?

28 days until the poll ends. I'm pretty certain the HD 4670 will win unless something dramatic happens. I'd say after the poll ends it'll be roughly a week and then the challenge will start. 4-6 weeks challenge time like last time worked well.



It is? :confused:

HD 4670 appears to be a more powerful card at the same price. Also appears nobody pushed the card under sub-ambient cooling :D

[Stapler]

I think that time table is way to long right now. People are excited to do this now, if we wait a month to start people will forget about it or lose interest. Why not end the poll on Wednesday? We've already got plenty of votes, and people seem to favor the 4670. If we end it on Wednesday people can go ahead and order there cards, get them early next week and the competition can run until whenever.

Also would it be possible(slash not too much work to set up), to use the hwbot competition engine for this? It would probably make the competition go a lot more smoothly than somebody having to spend there time updating standings.

[massman]

gomeler;3998906']HD 4670 appears to be a more powerful card at the same price. Also appears nobody pushed the card under sub-ambient cooling :D

Agreed and agreed. I just wanted to use the Hwbot product comparator again :D


Also would it be possible(slash not too much work to set up), to use the hwbot competition engine for this? It would probably make the competition go a lot more smoothly than somebody having to spend there time updating standings.

Yes! Achievements can be added etc ... would be véry interesting and absolutely feasable!

If interested: organiser please hit me either through PM or MSN ... :D

[thijs]

we had a 9500 gt compo a few months ago, was funny, but the memory is qimondo ( spelled it right? ) which respond poorly on extra voltage. also, there is a huge difference between the revisions, i thought it was the B1 that clocked alot harder ( mem ). basicly, it's all about the mem, core speed above a certain point ( which everyone can archive ) doesnt help anything.

oh and, we ran 3dmark 01. and yeah, it has OCP :)

[\/ENDE][A]

Here is a 5.6-5.7ghz 2k5 chip on dice ;)

[XC] Gomeler

So we have 28 days from now? Or I missed something?

Only air and water here i`m sorry to say:(

[George_o/c]

Agreed and agreed. I just wanted to use the Hwbot product comparator again :D

Yes! Achievements can be added etc ... would be véry interesting and absolutely feasable!

Chris explained it fully, no more to add there. ;)

It'd be nice to see the HCE on action after the clearly successful start :yepp:

[[XC] gomeler]

Looking into the HWBot Competition Engine for this challenge.

Stapler brings a good point. How does the 14th of September work for a start date for the challenge and the 31st of October as a finish date? Updated the first page with these tentative dates. This gives us 6 weeks to acquire the card of choice and benchmark it into the ground. I believe that is a sufficient amount of time. If nobody has any serious objections then the card in the lead by the start of the 14th of September will be the card of choice.


I've chosen the 14th of September as the next week is going to be hell for me with school :p:

[MTP04]

Sounds good. Looking forward to my first bench competition.:)

[Deanzo]

Dates sound good to me.

If you can't kill a card in six weeks, you're doing something wrong :p::D

[[XC] gomeler]

Dates sound good to me.

If you can't kill a card in six weeks, you're doing something wrong :p::D

Six weeks? I think I showed what I'm capable of at MOA09. I predict 3 hours :D

[Deanzo]

You're too funny for words....LOL

[dinos22]

probably time to do ATI for once

[subaruwrc]

[A;3999009']Only air and water here i`m sorry to say:(

You don't have to worry, It seems 5ghz is enough to push this little card, that can be reached on water I think. I will only use dice to see how far my cpu can go..

[STEvil]

4670's arent $60 up here but I voted for them anyways ;)

[tool_462]

This could work out for me, after this competition maybe there will be a rash of 4670's for sale and I'll toss another one in my Lanparty Jr for CrossFire :p:

[George_o/c]

This could work out for me, after this competition maybe there will be a rash of 4670's for sale and I'll toss another one in my Lanparty Jr for CrossFire :p:

:rofl::ROTF:

[Stapler]

This could work out for me, after this competition maybe there will be a rash of 4670's for sale and I'll toss another one in my Lanparty Jr for CrossFire :p:

I'm not sure you're going to want them when we're through with them.

[SpikeP]

well i will be like always in the air and water section. it seems like the dry ice and ln2 over here is hard to get, and i wanted a phase change kit of some decent level for about 2 years now. ah well :)

Im still a noob in the department of mods in my eyes. Do we know how many different types of pcb's we have or how strong the PWM's are on these cards? Analog or digital?

Just wondering cause the diversity of the previous 8400gs and 8600gt cards made it interesting.

and to the ddr2 qimonda stuff, i got mine to 1.2ghz. i quite liked it :p:

nah....i am with the majority. Like my HD 3850 still idea, but HD4670 + 3dmark05 / am3. i will be 05. i like 03 but 05 is cool :)

- Paul

[toyone]

Am3 & 05 Great:yepp:

[Don_Dan]

Im still a noob in the department of mods in my eyes. Do we know how many different types of pcb's we have or how strong the PWM's are on these cards? Analog or digital?



I haven't looked at PWMs yet, but there seem to be some big differences concerning memory clocks, GPU clock looks to be the same for most cards.

I voted for the NVidia card anyway, if we decide to use 4670s this will be the first time I use an ATI card. :confused:

[George_o/c]

And please keep your hands off the 3DMark 05 benchmark settings. What I mean is basically, do not disable post-processing, we'll be watching :p:

[Deanzo]

And please keep your hands off the 3DMark 05 benchmark settings. What I mean is basically, do not disable post-processing, we'll be watching :p:


A working link is a must to help cover that off.



well i will be like always in the air and water section. it seems like the dry ice and ln2 over here is hard to get, and i wanted a phase change kit of some decent level for about 2 years now. ah well :)



If you talk to Bazx via PM http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/member.php?u=19714
He would have a good idea where to buy dry ice/ln2/ss in the UK.

[George_o/c]

A working link is a must to help cover that off.

:yepp:

[STEvil]

how about 4770's?

:p

[[XC] gomeler]

how about 4770's?

:p

I considered suggesting them but at $110 to $115 per card it is a bit hard to consider them cheap :shrug: If we can find them in ~18 months they'll be a great option :yepp:

[MTP04]

Whats in 18 months?

Next comp should be about 12 months from now, no?

[Riska]

I have the wr in 3d05 and aquamark with the HD4670 24k in 3d05 and 290k+ in aquamark maybe i should try to beat my self :)

[s0lid]

Nice that means I could test how EP45T-Extremes or 8800GTs PWM works on HD4670 or BOTH! :D

When the game is on?

[[XC] gomeler]

This upcoming Monday. The HWBot Competition Engine will be used, will work with Massman to set that up towards the end of the week.

[TheKarmakazi]

Shaping up to be a nice compo. Should be really fun to kill these cards :D

We definitely should have a valid orb link accompanying the screenshots to rule out some questionable "tweaks" as George has mentioned.

@George: I hvae plenty of time to get my 8600 back from intel, and I still have a working rampage extreme capable of 650fsb (maybe more was cpu limited i believe). MY new CSX diablos should be back any day now for some serious D9GTR <3 @ 2.2/2.3v :P

[Brian y.]

This sounds fun, you can count me in....:)


and people laughed at me for not selling my RE/E8600 combo,

who's laughing now:ROTF:

[Riska]

These carde are very hard to kille they can bench with xtreme air at 1.7v for black screen accours

[George_o/c]

We also need a Competition pic, something like this :D:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/46/xswall.jpg


Sorry my photoshop skills suck that's why I just used an XS wallpaper I found @ google, and added the "Fall 2009 XS Cheapazchips 3D Challenge". :ROTF:

[massman]

The font looks pretty cheap, so I'd say it's perfect for this competition :D

[George_o/c]

LOL Pieter :rofl:

[tiborrr]

I don't have the C2 platform anymore, so I guess I'll be out of this compo :shrug:

@massman: Perhaps another IGP competition, like the HD3300 we held few months ago? HD4200? :up:

[Slovnaft]

can we borrow a cpu/mobo for this? currently 4670 is one of the few pieces of hardware i own...

[[XC] gomeler]

Don't need Core 2 to compete, Core i7 works just fine. Even Phenom II will work but you'll need a cascade to get competitive clockspeeds and it'll get stomped on air by Core 2 and i7.

I'll whip up a cheap graphic for the competition later tonight. I've been slammed for time since Monday, working on a 36 hour awake and 8 hour sleep schedule in hopes of accomplishing 10 days of work in 5 :D

[loonym]

I'll probably play even though the competition looks pretty steep. Last time I had a blast and made a decent showing with my air setup.

[Riska]

I have just remodded my 4 pices of HD4670 cards so now with water they do 1200mhz+ core...
Maby ln2 and i will go past 1300mhz but need to find the ovp mod so i can give them more than 1,7vgpu..

[Brian y.]

gomeler;4004853']Don't need Core 2 to compete, Core i7 works just fine. Even Phenom II will work but you'll need a cascade to get competitive clockspeeds and it'll get stomped on air by Core 2 and i7.

I'll whip up a cheap graphic for the competition later tonight. I've been slammed for time since Monday, working on a 36 hour awake and 8 hour sleep schedule in hopes of accomplishing 10 days of work in 5 :Di7 with 2k5?

I was kind of hoping we could keep i7 out of the comp due to the whole "cheap" theme but hey it's not like anybody in the comp has a 5.5GHz 05/AM3 CPU........

[Stapler]

^Because everyone going out and buying REX/Good E8600s would be cheap right? People can play with whatever they have, that's how you make it cheap.

I7 is very solid in 2k5, it's not as if all E8600 run 6.3ghz+ in 3d. I'm not really sure how well it'll do in AM3, but we'll see. I think the choice of benchmarks was as inclusive as possible. '01 sucks on I7, '06/Vantage suck on Core 2, and '03 is buggy as hell.

[Brian y.]

^Because everyone going out and buying REX/Good E8600s would be cheap right? People can play with whatever they have, that's how you make it cheap.

I7 is very solid in 2k5, it's not as if all E8600 run 6.3ghz+ in 3d. I'm not really sure how well it'll do in AM3, but we'll see. I think the choice of benchmarks was as inclusive as possible. '01 sucks on I7, '06/Vantage suck on Core 2, and '03 is buggy as hell.
you are totally right Stapler :yepp:

I actually think I will just keep the core2 setup in the closet and use i7 now:)

[Riska]

I have a 5.5-5.6ghz+ AM3 cpu in 3D05 maybe it kan go higher

[massman]

Guys, with low-end gpu's it doesn't matter how much CPU power you have ... the GPU will be the limiting factor anyway.

[loonym]

So, what card is the favorite? I grabbed an el cheapo open box 1gb from newegg. I figure if it's real dog, I can always throw it in one of the cheap builds I sell occasionally and try something a little better. I hope you guys are gonna share mod tips and pics because I need help! :D

[MTP04]

loonym, what brand did you get?

[loonym]

loonym, what brand did you get?Sapphire

edit: It's the 1gb model, which I may end up regretting, but it was $53 open-box from egg.

[George_o/c]

edit: It's the 1gb model, which I may end up regretting, but it was $53 open-box from egg.

Why regretting it mate ? :confused:

[s0lid]

Why regretting it mate ? :confused:

Mems might not go that high? :confused:

BTW there's 3 different versions, GDDR2, DDR3 and GDDR3, so is DDR3 and GDDR3 versions same or different versions?

These cards are little pricy over here :/
64€ => 94$...

But what the hell, let's get one and kill it! :ROTF:
4.5-5GHz E8x00 or 4.0-4.4GHz I7 should be enought with these.

[Riska]

Do not get the 1gb version they oc bad on mem the 512mb version do great on mem over 1250mhz on all my 4 cards HIS HD4670 ICQ

[loonym]

Why regretting it mate ? :confused:Yeah, exactly what s0lid said, I have a feeling the mem might not be the best for oc but perhaps I'll be lucky. We shall see. :D


edit: My thoughts when ordering were, if I totally hate the card, I'll throw it in a cheap build I'm doing for a neighbor and simply order a nice MSI or Giga 512.

[STEvil]

Do not get the 1gb version they oc bad on mem the 512mb version do great on mem over 1250mhz on all my 4 cards HIS HD4670 ICQ

get the 900mhz 1gb cards, they do 1100-1150 pretty easy.

Diamond and ATi ref cards are the only ones that have 900mhz 1gb mem iirc. 1gb mem also gives better bench results ;)

[George_o/c]

1gb mem iirc. 1gb mem also gives better bench results ;)

That's what I initially thought, but I must admit, I'm a little bit confused right now. 100MHz more on Video Memory can possibly make that much a difference in scores when it comes to 512MB vs 1GB editions ? :shrug:

[Riska]

The 512mb is 1000mhz mem and they do easely 1200mhz

And 100mhz mem can do alot for your scores because the card is not cpu bottlenecked but mhz on core and mem bottlenecked
I have played with theese cards alot and i have nearly all the wrs with them

[SpikeP]

Well im going away for a week, but just to verify, any HD4670 is fine. If so, then i got a fair idea what i will order, and i will do it so its here when i get back. - Paul

[[XC] gomeler]

Any HD4670 is fine so long as it has the HD4670 core. No rebadged HD4770s as DH4670s ;)

Just woke up, whip up or copy that logo and get this under the hwbot competition engine.

[STEvil]

The 512mb is 1000mhz mem and they do easely 1200mhz

And 100mhz mem can do alot for your scores because the card is not cpu bottlenecked but mhz on core and mem bottlenecked
I have played with theese cards alot and i have nearly all the wrs with them

I poked through a lot of hwbot results, the 1gb cards are faster clock for clock ;) 1150 is the highest 1gb card on hwbot.

The problem is hwbot doesnt sort the cards based on mem amount so you have to dig and its annoying lol :D

[Riska]

I have had 11 Wrs with the card and it is a 512mb and clock for clock it is faster because they clock much better

[M.Beier]

4850 exceeds budget??? I think that could be fairly interesting choice !

[quake6]

Yeah, that would be nice... But I think 4670 is also good :)

[M.Beier]

Can someone please throw me a mail when choice has been picked? Im all in =)

[[XC] gomeler]

Can someone please throw me a mail when choice has been picked? Im all in =)

I would say the HD 4670 is the card to use given how there is roughly a day left. Check back in ~24 hours and you'll have your answer :)

[[XC] gomeler]

Sent Massman a PM with the info for the challenge. The card of choice is the Radeon HD 4670, so whip out your credit cards and start swiping! The challenge starts in roughly 10 hours, hopefully we'll have a HWBot page up in the next couple of days so the early birds can start submitting scores :)

[Riska]

I have 300k+ in aquamark3 ready and 25k+ in 3d05 ready new wrs for that card

[massman]

Hwbot's engine is ready to host scores from the moment it goes online.

Let's see some BIG scores people! :D

[[XC] gomeler]

Ok, now the important part. If you are competing in the challenge this year please PM me and I will give you the password. This will insure that those submitting scores will also be posting in this thread. I'd like to keep all the conversation centralized so we can all share the stories that are sure to occur. Good luck everybody!

SCRATCH THAT!

Ok, turns out the hwbot HCE has a few bugs regarding passwords and such. The competition will be open to the general public so we might get some randoms in there also. Once Massman sees my PM I imagine it'll be open season, so have fun guys :up:

[JamesBong420]

so Gom did ya figure out the pw stuff?

[[XC] gomeler]

Nope :D Hopefully in the next 24 hours we'll have it solved. Will update you guys when we finally have a solution. So far we've got ~1 dozen members :up:

[loonym]

My card will be here tomorrow. I'm going to try initially to run on air. If I think that 1gb sapphire has more in it then maybe I'll try and come up with a home made dice pot. Anything I do that's going to be even remotely competitive will have to be with i7. I don't have a good c2d setup to run like a lot of guys I see here and those that do will be the guys to beat.


edit: Hope to start seeing some mod pics soon because I don't have a clue what to do :D

[[XC] gomeler]

I still need to order my card, will do that tomorrow. Can't wait to have some fun :)

[Deanzo]

Card ordered, should have something in the weekend.

[Vivi]

this is gonna be real fun :D.

any reason for 03 left out? i mean thats more gpu dependant than anything :)

[Deanzo]

03 bugs all over the show.

[Vivi]

aah thats true,

we should do james's request with 99 max :)

[Deanzo]

Hell, lets do it with win98 while we are at it :D

[[XC] gomeler]

Ok, turns out the hwbot HCE has a few bugs regarding passwords and such. The competition will be open to the general public so we might get some randoms in there also. Once Massman sees my PM I imagine it'll be open season, so have fun guys :up:

[Riska]

it is solved i wrote to massman about it and now we can submitt scores

[Stapler]

I'm going to order my card later today, but does anyone know about the mounting on them. Is it the same dimensions as 48xx cards?

[[XC] gomeler]

A gigantic c-clamp is a universal mount :)

[subaruwrc]

Next week I will order my card, but result will be coming only short before competition ends..

[Riska]

They have same mounting holes as 4870x2 43.8mm

[Riska]

Now i have submitted the first 2 scores and i am in the lead!! :) :)

[Deanzo]

And with two WR just to set the bar nice and high.

Well done.

I like how you listed your cpu speed in 05 as 9380Mhz, nice X4 you have there :p::D


Edit: We talked about this some pages ago, needs a working 05 link.

[Riska]

it is miss typo but cant edit it and wy a working 05 link?
is that a rule?

[Riska]

I am making a new score with the card on dice and with a 975 at 5.3ghz

[[XC] gomeler]

An 05 compare URL isn't necessary for this, there are no prizes and if you cheat at this..

[JamesBong420]

Riska off to a banging lead!! :up:

*orders his card*

[Deanzo]

gomeler;4015871']An 05 compare URL isn't necessary for this

Well that makes me sad :(

[overclocking101]

it says by invitation only how do i join?? im already on another hwbot team

[Deanzo]

it says by invitation only how do i join?? im already on another hwbot team

PM this guy http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/member.php?u=17665

[Hondacity]

ei this is cool :)

[Slovnaft]

anyone in the connecticut area wanna team up?

[[XC] gomeler]

Well that makes me sad :(

:shrug: Should it be necessary? If we see a result that is suspicious I'll knock it out of the park until the bencher can provide an 05 URL. We'll know if something sticks out.

[STEvil]

I might join in later, work is going full tilt at the moment (that means 12-18+ hours every day except sundays pretty much).

[PreacherMan]

I received my Sapphire card today. Crappy non-reference PCB (the new one). Now I have to figure out the vmod.

[TheKarmakazi]

got a HIS 512mb version coming shortly... cant wait!

[Riska]

Thats the cards i have the his. they clocks nice and can handle up to over 1.7v no problem at heavy air

[Deanzo]

Received my card, and did the mods today.

Though I won't have time to bench till next weekend.

I ordered the Gigabyte 512, but received the 1Gig card. But what the hell, I just make do.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1365/img1843w.jpg

After taking off the stock heatsink, I found these 4 items stopped my tek from mounting.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9623/img1846f.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/img1846f.jpg/)


Easy fix, re-mount them on the back!
And all mods tested with the stock heatsink to make sure they work.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9184/img1847.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1117/img1848w.jpg

[toyone]

Deanzo
Nice work :clap:

[FatAlbert]

Deanzo, can you show measuring points ?

[MTP04]

Deanzo, what kind of memory ic's are on your card?

[klopcha]

Hi guys,
I am and Vinni_Bago (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/member.php?u=108629) want to take part in the competition too.
I wish you all good luck!

[Deanzo]

Deanzo
Nice work :clap:

Thanks man :)


Deanzo, can you show measuring points ?

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/8728/read.jpg


Deanzo, what kind of memory ic's are on your card?

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7572/memic.jpg

[dinos22]

oh jackpot Dean :up:

[[XC] gomeler]

Same PCB as the HD 4670 I ordered. Going to see if I can bench with cascade on the CPU and a TEK 9 on the GPU but with the TEK 9 coming out the side of the card instead of vertical. Not sure if the PCB is tall enough, the TEK 9 might be too thick and hit the board.

[MTP04]

Thanks for the picture Deanzo.


oh jackpot Dean :up:

Why jackpot Dinos22? They are rated for only 800mhz respectively.

[Riska]

I am playing with my cards and the max i can reach on stock heatsink with a powerfull fan on it is 1130/1233mhz before it makes random black screen screenshot of new wr in wantage singlecard comming soon

[Deanzo]

gomeler;4016495']:shrug: Should it be necessary? If we see a result that is suspicious I'll knock it out of the park until the bencher can provide an 05 URL. We'll know if something sticks out.

Sorry mate, missed this post.

Imho yes, hwbot rankings don't have a prize, yet some still cheat.

A URL file is just a click of a button to save, then load it from the PC you post your scores from. This would stop any talk of mipmaps or DPP being used.

[Riska]

This is only at 1110/1225mhz i will try to go further tomorow i know it is not vantage we are benching but i only have my cpu under water at the moment so this is what i am testing the cards with...




http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/riskatoft/wrvantage1.jpg

[Deanzo]

Hey Riska,

For your 05 and AM3 scores, what cooling were you using on the card ?


As yours seems to clocks like mad :up:

[Riska]

just the stock HIS iceq heatsink whit fancover removed and a powerfull 220v 200mm fan blowing onto it i have never had them on anything else than stock heatsink

[Riska]

Here are what it looks like with 4x4670

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/riskatoft/DSCF2405.jpg

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/riskatoft/DSCF2409.jpg

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/riskatoft/DSCF2427.jpg

[Deanzo]

oh jackpot Dean :up:


Not really :(


Mem is being a BIG PITA, god only knows why it hates me,.
Stock volts (1.84) to 2.1+
I max out at 847Mhz (stock speed is 800 on this Gig card)

And man is it killing my scores :(


On the other hand, the core does 1300+ some what easy (750 is stock).

This is with no tweaks, or anything really, just testing core and mem speeds.
With out mem speed, I'm somewhat dead in the water right now.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/185/am3258938.th.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/am3258938.jpg/)

[subaruwrc]

Not really :(


Mem is being a BIG PITA, god only knows why it hates me,.
Stock volts (1.84) to 2.1+
I max out at 847Mhz (stock speed is 800 on this Gig card)

And man is it killing my scores :(


On the other hand, the core does 1300+ some what easy (750 is stock).

This is with no tweaks, or anything really, just testing core and mem speeds.
With out mem speed, I'm somewhat dead in the water right now.



Man 1300+ is sick. Sorry about your banana RAM-s...

[MTP04]

Nice Deanzo!

What cooling did you use to get that core clock?

[Riska]

Do you have the 1GB card because the mem on them oc bad sometime...
And what cooling do you have and what voltage do you give the core?

I give my mem 2.20-2.25v

[marmott]

guys I think I'll join you :)

maybee not in the extreme category but I'll try for some scores

I have 2 non refrence Palit HD4670 512Mo cards, just need to figure out the vmods :p

[Deanzo]

Do you have the 1GB card because the mem on them oc bad sometime...
And what cooling do you have and what voltage do you give the core?

I give my mem 2.20-2.25v


Yep, 1Gb card.

Cooling is ln2, though not very cold (card doesn't like it) I'm feeding the core 1.8volts

[s0lid]

Lets see, we will have one Asus HD4670 512Mb card, P2 955 + M4A79T DLX/ I7 950 + P6T SE (dat board :shakes:) and 20-30L of LN2 at this weekend :D

So lets see at friday what we can get done =P

[Riska]

20-30L LN2 is not very much if you are gonna run both setups that PHII 955 eats LN2 for breakfast

[Deanzo]

Going up to 2volts on the core lets 1337Mh pass, and 1362Mhz some of the time.

Wont boot at over 1.8 though.

Mem still sucks sooo bad, so I'm out now, just don't have the time to get another card and spend all that time setting it up :(.

[dinos22]

:banana::banana::banana::banana:
sorry to hear that

all the comps we've had so far were all about vRAM :(

[Deanzo]

Can't get over my bad luck, I get a card that the core clocks like mad, but the mem will do nothing.
Even 847 would only pass 50% of the time.


Man...I had a good plan to for am3, this board and chip will run it at 660fsb some of the time.
I only booted this combo on Sunday for the first time, hit 717 almost on the first boot. But I have a hard coldbug at -110 which holds it back clock wise.

Hehe.
Is 1300/1200 on the card, with the cpu @ 660X9 really to much to ask :D

[Harshal]

@ Riska, mad cloks and even madder numbers :)
@ Deanzo, that card sucks for overall performance mate... btw, its not at all too much to ask :D

[MTP04]

Aww man, that sucks dude. Sorry to hear that your out.

Maybe you'll stumble on another card w/512mb before the comp ends.:p:

[s0lid]

Hmm is there any vmods for Asus HD4670?
This one doesn't use reference board but Vmem area looks similiard and i think Vgpu mod doesn't differ much from refe card.

[Riska]

Here is my Futuremark orblink for the 3D05 WR..

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=5003521

[TinTin]

Here is my Futuremark orblink for the 3D05 WR..

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=5003521

Let me take it for a while. :D

24077
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=5003949

You already have 25k+.....hard to chase....;)

[s0lid]

Anyone knows why AM3 doesn't work in XP or neither in Win7?
Using 9.9Catas, thi i'm aware that there's some patch or something to fix that, first test runs nicely but then just comes blank screen and error message.

Just ran little 05, 5.67GHz E8500 and Asus HD4670 870/950, asus needs mods and cpu has some coldbug issues :mad:

[STEvil]

Anyone knows why AM3 doesn't work in XP or neither in Win7?
Using 9.9Catas, thi i'm aware that there's some patch or something to fix that, first test runs nicely but then just comes blank screen and error message.

Just ran little 05, 5.67GHz E8500 and Asus HD4670 870/950, asus needs mods and cpu has some coldbug issues :mad:

There's a file you need to replace or delete.. search button will help you.

[s0lid]

K got card modded and changed better cooling:
Accelero Twin Turbo, gpu temps won't go over 64C @ 1020Core @ 1.58V furmark tested :p:


Mods are confirmed, running at 970/1020 atm :up:
Tho i had too small VRs, only 10KOhm, Vgpu is at 1.58V (1.3V stock), mems are at 2.1V (2.0V stock).

Here's some pics :)

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/701/dsc0026uu.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9832/dsc0031xt.jpg

[s0lid]

First proper run:

22917 3DMark05 @ HD4670 1095/1115
http://www.aijaa.com/img/t/00105/4952519.t.png (http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=4952519.png)

[subaruwrc]

Our ( X3DTH's) card had arrived. It is a giga 1gb version like DEANZO's but its ram clocks better thank god. On air with stock volts It goes 850-60mhz on the gpu and 950mhz on the rams 2k5 stable but all of them needs better cooling...

[s0lid]

K, pretty much i've maxed out this damn card:
23043 @ 1080/1125, no voltage or extra cooling will help :/

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=902959

Tho i can still bench at 1140/1160ish but then it artifacts like insane, but works :p:

[s0lid]

E8500 with ln2 showed it's magic:

2nd place in AM3 (3rd in global):
http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=903391

3rd place in 3dm05:
http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=903367

[toyone]

s0lid Nice score :clap:

[Riska]

I just benched my new 965BE and did a run with my new 965BE at 5.8ghz but had problems with the new cat.9.10 beta and ran out of ln2 but gonna try again next week but the score i have rocks :slobber::nuts:

[JamesBong420]

my card is decent.. i need to tune in the memory more.. but they do not like anything above 1.97v that is for sure...they do 1138mhz 3d so far.. the gpu on air so far with 1.68v(idle) hits 1127mhz 3d stable.. i will post up some results in a few days. i need a little time to get the hang of AMD again.. :p:

[[XC] gomeler]

Looking good guys for those core speeds, who will be the first to break 1300MHz core speeds though? Patiently waiting :D

[Deanzo]

gomeler;4041482']Looking good guys for those core speeds, who will be the first to break 1300MHz core speeds though? Patiently waiting :D


Did over 1300 on the core my first day, just the mem wouldn't overclock at all.
-60 and 1.8volts gets it done.

[Riska]

I have a card that can do 1155mhz on air and maybe on Dice or singelstage can go over 1300mhz and all my 5 cards can hit 1200+ mhz on mem

[loonym]

I see 3 different makes of ram on various cards. Anyone have an opinion on what's best?

[MTP04]

Seems like the cards with the Hynix H5RS5223CFR N0C ic's clock the best so far.

[Riska]

All my 5 cards have that Hynix mem

[Splave]

I see 3 different makes of ram on various cards. Anyone have an opinion on what's best?

I have the 512mb gigabyte on the egg
844/1200 is aq3 passable so far stock cooler, stock volts havent tryed harder

[[XC] gomeler]

I'm such a time strapped bastard, I need to force myself to bench my Gigabyte 4670 one of these weekends.

[MTP04]

Here is my best I can get for the "air/water" category of the competition. I'm still on the good old E8600/Rampage combo and I know my setup can't compete too much with i7 power but I thought I'd still post them anyway.

Subzero coming soon.:D

Asus Rampage Extreme, Bios:403
E8600 Q820A597
Patriot Viper PC15000, 2.05vmem
HIS 4670 IceQ Vanilla, 1.65vgpu/2.2vmem
PCP&C Silencer 750w

ORB LINK (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=5020168)
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8448/0524227.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/i/0524227.jpg/)


http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/4216/am3256136.jpg (http://img70.imageshack.us/i/am3256136.jpg/)

[subaruwrc]

Here is my best I can get for the "air/water" category of the competition. I'm still on the good old E8600/Rampage combo and I know my setup can't compete too much with i7 power but I thought I'd still post them anyway.

Subzero coming soon.:D

Asus Rampage Extreme, Bios:403
E8600 Q820A597
Patriot Viper PC15000, 2.05vmem
HIS 4670 IceQ Vanilla, 1.65vgpu/2.2vmem
PCP&C Silencer 750w


Great results there man! My cpu has the same batch as yours but on air I can only bench 4600mhz cause its really hot...

[kanjoni]

First post:)

Here is my first tests for the competition, im going to take part to air/water category,
http://koti.mbnet.fi/kanjoni/am3test4670.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/kanjoni/4670test.jpg

Im waiting my watercooling parts for the card and then it goes to solid whos going to mod it, i can run my cpu at least 4.95GHz with air and im plannigt to cool the card with tapwater

EDIT WC parts arrive and quick test so everything works, now the card goes to solid for modding and maybe i can get some results next week, here is a screenshot from furmark run, 640x480 xtremeburning with stock card http://koti.mbnet.fi/kanjoni/furtest4670.jpg

[MTP04]

Great results there man! My cpu has the same batch as yours but on air I can only bench 4600mhz cause its really hot...

Thanks man. A hot chip could be a good thing;) how does your chip handle subzero?

[subaruwrc]

Thanks man. A hot chip could be a good thing;) how does your chip handle subzero?

Its pretty nice. I had only one Ln2 test with it but it coldboots at -12x and coldbugs at -125 idle and I haven't found the load cold bug yet :D It is under
- 130.

[s0lid]

Well i've 20Kg of dice here waiting, a Rybas slimpot (thx to kanjoni) and my modded HD4670 :P
I'll do some tests with it with my W3520 rig, not looking for 05 or am3 results just testing 06 and vantage.

[kanjoni]

I got my modded card from s0lid and it died at first boot (10 sec), vgpu was 1.58 and i didnt measure the mem before it died. Dont really know why it died but i think it has something to do with the mem or pwm, so my competition is over. s0lid thanks for modding the card, i just got bad luck with it. Theres no visible fault.

[Riska]

It must be the mem because i have put over 2volts to the core on them with no problem at all

[MTP04]

Sorry to hear that kanjoni, maybe next competition you'll have better luck.:p:

Only 6 more days till its over. I though someone would have posted a 25k in 3D05 already but looks like some people have lost interest or maybe they are just holding out until the last minute to post their best scores??:shrug:

[kanjoni]

It must be the mem because i have put over 2volts to the core on them with no problem at all

I think so too, when it left from s0lid it worked and vmem was 2.13v, i had those hynix memchips so maybe it was too much for them. Its not so cheap here Finland to take part in these cheapazchips competitions, i used 150€ for the vga and wc gear+modding:D

I hope i have better luck nex time


... I though someone would have posted a 25k in 3D05 already...
I was hoping to beat your score in 05, with tapwater cooled core i was hoping to run my card 1200/1200. My E8600 was running in my test allmoust 5GHz with air...

[s0lid]

It must be the mem because i have put over 2volts to the core on them with no problem at all

yea that was little interesting since i've 100% same card with same hynix mems. My card have worked about 3 weeks at 2.13V vmem and top peak have been around 2.3-2.4V while OCing.

[Riska]

I had a 298000 score in aquamark but ss got dammaged and i have a 26500 in 3d05 but have to get that hdd to work first to get ss

[s0lid]

Doing some vantage benching :P
Going at 5329 in perf.

[Riska]

What are your card clocked at?

[MTP04]

Here is my latest for 05. I only had a few liters of ln2 left from last weekend, so I didn't get to run AM3 with the clocks that I wanted:(. But I am happy with this result.:p:

Asus Rampage Extreme, Bios:403
E8600 Q820A597
Patriot Viper PC15000, 2vmem
HIS 4670 IceQ Vanilla, 1.65vgpu/2.2vmem
Corsair HX1000

ORB LINK (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=5034739)
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5302/0525009.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/0525009.jpg/)

[TinTin]

I still dont get my GPU pot.:( So it is in air.

25273marks
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7156/hd46703d0525273.png (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/hd46703d0525273.png/)

[MTP04]

Nice score TinTin, hope you get your pot soon.;)

Is anyone else having a problem with a low GT3 score in 3dmark 05 on the first run?
but then a second run right after brings GT3 up by about 7-8 fps and GT2 suffers by about 2 fps?:confused:

[MTP04]

Quick post, still benching lol.

Asus Rampage Extreme, Bios:403
E8600 Q820A597
Patriot Viper PC15000, 2vmem
HIS 4670 IceQ Vanilla, 1.7vgpu/2.3vmem
Corsair HX1000

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6510/am3298070.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/am3298070.jpg/)

[Riska]

I didnt get the scores up in time damn

[[XC] gomeler]

Post it here :)

I once again have another cheap ass card that will now sit on my shelf, didn't have time to bench my HD 4670 :down: I'd say the "winners" are TinTin and MTP04 but you guys are all winners in my book ;) Hope you guys keep benching these GPUs, I am really curious what it'll do on LN2.

[loonym]

I lost interest after hwbot took it over. They never set up the seperate class for air cooled. 2 cards here still both in the box. Congrats to you guys with the great runs.

[TinTin]

Quick post, still benching lol.

Asus Rampage Extreme, Bios:403
E8600 Q820A597
Patriot Viper PC15000, 2vmem
HIS 4670 IceQ Vanilla, 1.7vgpu/2.3vmem
Corsair HX1000

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6510/am3298070.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/am3298070.jpg/)

Nice score!! Congrats, a new WR....:)

I burnt one HD4670 IceQ Turbo which is using Hynix GDDR3, the ram overclocks much better than my now Samsung GDDR3 (PCB also a bit different from reference card). For such a 128bit card, ram bandwidth almost dominates the score when pushing to extreme.

[TinTin]

gomeler;4089657']Post it here :)

I once again have another cheap ass card that will now sit on my shelf, didn't have time to bench my HD 4670 :down: I'd say the "winners" are TinTin and MTP04 but you guys are all winners in my book ;) Hope you guys keep benching these GPUs, I am really curious what it'll do on LN2.

I just wait for my GPU pot arrived....I will go to LN2 this sucker...:D
I really enjoy the process for such a game...:)

[Riska]

I have tryed on ln2 but no go the card turned off but dice was fine

[massman]

gomeler;4089657']Post it here :)

I once again have another cheap ass card that will now sit on my shelf, didn't have time to bench my HD 4670 :down: I'd say the "winners" are TinTin and MTP04 but you guys are all winners in my book ;) Hope you guys keep benching these GPUs, I am really curious what it'll do on LN2.[/QUOTE

If you want to we can just extend the submission page at hwbot? Like another added month or so?

[QUOTE=loonym;4089835]I lost interest after hwbot took it over.

hwbot never "took over".

[loonym]

massman, glad you posted. Perhaps you can point me to the air class scores on the submission page?

[massman]

Not having the feature coded that allows splitting up ranks into air/water and extreme != "taking over".

We actually appreciate Gomeler having a ranking at the bot. It's one thing to develop a new feature, a whole other thing to see it work in practice. Splitting up in air/water and extreme categories is on the to-do list now :).

[loonym]

Not having the feature coded that allows splitting up ranks into air/water and extreme != "taking over".

We actually appreciate Gomeler having a ranking at the bot. It's one thing to develop a new feature, a whole other thing to see it work in practice. Splitting up in air/water and extreme categories is on the to-do list now :).It will be very nice when that is available. There's no way for someone running air only to compete otherwise. It may have been premature to move the competition to hwbot in light of the fact that it was impossible for hwbot to separate the cooling classes, provide separate leader boards for each, and also have two winners.

[massman]

Or just keep a list of highest air/extreme scores on XS, using Hwbot rankings an easy database tool? :)

I'm sorry if HWBot caused you to quit the competition; it was never our intention to cause harm to anyone, just trying to get to know the design limitations of the HCE.

[MTP04]

Nice score!! Congrats, a new WR....:)

I burnt one HD4670 IceQ Turbo which is using Hynix GDDR3, the ram overclocks much better than my now Samsung GDDR3 (PCB also a bit different from reference card). For such a 128bit card, ram bandwidth almost dominates the score when pushing to extreme.

Thanks TinTin, your 05 score is nice too.:)

Though I would like to know how your GT2 in 05 is so high compared to mine...is it just that i7 is that much better than core 2 duo or is it something else like a tweak?;)

Also I tried the card on ln2, it would coldbug at around -80c so at -75c with 1.75v 1330mhz on the gpu was no problem BUT at those temps the memory didn't want to scale as it does on air, so 1000mhz was the most my memory could do and because of the 128bit memory bus, it was completely useless:shakes: These cards seem to be best suited for cold water cooling. My AM3 score was done with the gpu on tap water, which was +15c or so.:D



Here are a few pictures from the different sessions.

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9617/dsc01106.jpg (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/dsc01106.jpg/)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/531/dsc01108zk.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/dsc01108zk.jpg/)

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3844/dsc01125w.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/i/dsc01125w.jpg/)

[JamesBong420]

yea i did not find anytime to grab some LN2... :(

[[XC] gomeler]

Keep your cards guys, I have a feeling we'll be playing with them again. I propose we have another HD 4670 round in January 2010 and I'll try to do a better job organizing it. Separate classes were something I completely forgot while I was zoning out instead of managing this :down:

I'd also like to add that the HWBOT HCE is a nice thought but it needs a little work. We were one of the first test cases, it sucks to be a guinea pig but hopefully it'll continue to mature. HWBOT itself is awesome, so hopefully we'll see the same quality go into the HCE given enough time.

[loonym]

yea i did not find anytime to grab some LN2... :(You make any air scores?

[TinTin]

Thanks TinTin, your 05 score is nice too.:)

Though I would like to know how your GT2 in 05 is so high compared to mine...is it just that i7 is that much better than core 2 duo or is it something else like a tweak?;)

Also I tried the card on ln2, it would coldbug at around -80c so at -75c with 1.75v 1330mhz on the gpu was no problem BUT at those temps the memory didn't want to scale as it does on air, so 1000mhz was the most my memory could do and because of the 128bit memory bus, it was completely useless:shakes: These cards seem to be best suited for cold water cooling. My AM3 score was done with the gpu on tap water, which was +15c or so.:D



Here are a few pictures from the different sessions.

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9617/dsc01106.jpg (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/dsc01106.jpg/)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/531/dsc01108zk.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/dsc01108zk.jpg/)

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3844/dsc01125w.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/i/dsc01125w.jpg/)

Thanks...:)

I think i7 is very fast in 3D05, compared with C2D, for the whole running, I just used LOD for 3D05.

I also find HD4670, when pushing higher core freq., the Ram freq. must be dropped. I also used ice water to try to push higher core, 1200MHz+, but the Ram freq. have to be lowered.:down: I also found the result is not good. So I maintain most results at the highest ram freq. for such a 128bit card.

[MTP04]

Thanks...:)

I think i7 is very fast in 3D05, compared with C2D, for the whole running, I just used LOD for 3D05.

I also find HD4670, when pushing higher core freq., the Ram freq. must be dropped. I also used ice water to try to push higher core, 1200MHz+, but the Ram freq. have to be lowered.:down: I also found the result is not good. So I maintain most results at the highest ram freq. for such a 128bit card.

Yes your right, I noticed that as well, unfortunately.:(

Hey Gomeler, for the next comp, lets use a card with either a wider memory bus or faster memory like GDDR5, that way the memory wont bottle neck the gpu too much when pushing high gpu clocks under subzero. That way both categories, air/water and dice/ln2, could be pushed to their limits.:)

[[XC] gomeler]

Yes your right, I noticed that as well, unfortunately.:(

Hey Gomeler, for the next comp, lets use a card with either a wider memory bus or faster memory like GDDR5, that way the memory wont bottle neck the gpu too much when pushing high gpu clocks under subzero. That way both categories, air/water and dice/ln2, could be pushed to their limits.:)

If we can find a card that is also cheap. The HD4770 is the cheapest GDDR5 part I can think of and it is $100 USD. Is there anything cheaper in ~3 months?

[MTP04]

gomeler;4092516']If we can find a card that is also cheap. The HD4770 is the cheapest GDDR5 part I can think of and it is $100 USD. Is there anything cheaper in ~3 months?

Yeah, the HD4770 would work, I guess we'll have to wait and see in 2-3 months time what the cost will be. Anyway I just wanted to put it out there for the interest of both sides of the comp. I had fun this round and I am looking forward to the next one.:)