Are any of you guys gonna try for records on older video cards

[Geforce4ti4200]

Oppainter, Macci, bowman, Fugger, etc or anyone with such fast cpus and excellent cooling, you have got me wondering what could be accomplished on a radeon9700 pro. The highest score for that card is only 23k set many months ago too! What could be achieved now? 25k? 26k? also what about ti4600s, ti4400s, ti4200s, ti500s, radeon8500, 9500, 9600 :D

[MrIcee]

I'll let you know in the next few weeks;)

Randi:D

[sandman]

I plan on getting a geforce 3 ti 200 and seeing how far it'll go.

[JBELL]

boy you really want XS to own AAALLLLL categories huh?

[Geforce4ti4200]

the more the better, but its also a personal achievement. I used to be on the front page for the ti500 class but ill be back up once I get my nf7 mobo. its too bad I havent the money nor skills for prometeia cooling or I could get some mean marks with my video cards :D

[jmg823]

im gonna try with my MX440 although i probally wont make it

[Geforce4ti4200]

how does that video overclock and what cpu is it sitting on? the top mx440 score is nearly 12k thats insanely high!

[Kunaak]

most people are over the R9700 pro and cards that were once top of the line.
most top end benchmarkers are of the "the grass is greener on the otherside" kinda mind, meaning you hold onto old hardware (in this case a 9800 pro is old compared to a 9800XT and so on)
and old hardware always means one thing.

you slide down the ORB.
thats hard to just let happen if your use to being in the top 5.
so while I am sure Opp could pop in a old card like a ti-4200 and demolish the scene, it also means that gives someone else the time they need to take him or another person like him outta the top spots.

so it's not really likely.
think of it like this-say you break 25k with a R9800 pro tommorow.
would you really wanna take that card out and slip in a Ti-4600 and pray for 19k?

on the other hand-once the big names move onto to something new, that leaves alot of others with the card still, to duke it out for better scores.
eventually all scores come down.
take Mr. Icees 19,300 score for the ti 4200.
it was beaten (kinda-to me a ti-4800SE isn't a ti 4200)
but it took how long? 4-5 months?
thats just a testiment to how good that score really was.
but theres always someone looking to top your best.

so theres many XS members doing some excellent benchmarking, in just about any card you can think of.
they may be the unsung heros, pushing geforce2's to 10k, but they are there, always pushing it alittle more ;)

[sandman]

The poor man's 3dmark race ;)

[Edward2]

I agree with you Kunaak. As the "big dogs" move on the latest and greatest CPU/video card, that opens up the slower/older video card categories to the rest of the majority of us. And just because the cards are slower/older does not make the competition any less fun or challenging.

Personally, I have been competing in the Ti4200 category for a couple of months now. I have used several different CPU's, memory sticks, and video cards to get where I am now. I am currently in 7th place trying to figure out what my next move should be.

BTW - Mr Icee, your almost 6 month old score is my next target. ;~)

[Poki]

I know i benchmark anything i can get my grubby hands on but my bloomin' NF7/XP2500 can't hold a candle to one of those hard hitters. I feel an upgrade is in order for the holidays!

[jmg823]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
how does that video overclock and what cpu is it sitting on? the top mx440 score is nearly 12k thats insanely high!

well w/no vmodsim hitting 342/540 (stock:270/405

[jmg823]

Originally posted by Kunaak
most people are over the R9700 pro and cards that were once top of the line.
most top end benchmarkers are of the "the grass is greener on the otherside" kinda mind, meaning you hold onto old hardware (in this case a 9800 pro is old compared to a 9800XT and so on)
and old hardware always means one thing.

you slide down the ORB.
thats hard to just let happen if your use to being in the top 5.
so while I am sure Opp could pop in a old card like a ti-4200 and demolish the scene, it also means that gives someone else the time they need to take him or another person like him outta the top spots.

so it's not really likely.
think of it like this-say you break 25k with a R9800 pro tommorow.
would you really wanna take that card out and slip in a Ti-4600 and pray for 19k?

on the other hand-once the big names move onto to something new, that leaves alot of others with the card still, to duke it out for better scores.
eventually all scores come down.
take Mr. Icees 19,300 score for the ti 4200.
it was beaten (kinda-to me a ti-4800SE isn't a ti 4200)
but it took how long? 4-5 months?
thats just a testiment to how good that score really was.
but theres always someone looking to top your best.

so theres many XS members doing some excellent benchmarking, in just about any card you can think of.
they may be the unsung heros, pushing geforce2's to 10k, but they are there, always pushing it alittle more ;)

the mx440 is my best card so i have nothing to lose so to speak. i have no good scores so an mx440 is worth my time right now

[Geforce4ti4200]

10k wont be easy with those mx440 clocks, let me tell you this

[biggie135]

I'm still playing with my Ti200
10,353 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7262914)

[shortcircuit]

Benching old cards is fun, IMO. It lets you do crazy things that you would never do to a card that costs $500. Like when I ran the vmem on my Ti4200 at 5v :eek:

I still hold the #1 Ti500 score (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7216161) , gonna give it a shot with the A64 one of these nights.

[TheDude]

I'm not big into 3dmark, but am very tempted to start playing with some older cards I have. I just had a 7000 Radeon come back from RMA...I wouldn't be afraid to vmod it or push it til it pops. I have an XT9800 and a 9800 Pro. I can't afford to risk either one of these cards. The XT is going into a Chaintech a64, Bowman modded 404a Mach1 and the Pro is going into a 3.2 P4 Asus deluxe board in a Mach2....but those are my gaming rigs...not rigs I can afford to blow up!
Now I also have "CrossBow", a phasechange direct die on cpu with chiller on agp rig that Bowman built....perfect cooler for OCing some older video cards! I have a 9700 pro coming back from RMA soon too. ;) Perfect time for me to get my feet wet with some 3dmark runs. I have HUGE respect for our 3d team! These guys really know their stuff! That's what only hours upon hours of endless benching will teach you.

[Geforce4ti4200]

shortcircuit, with an a64, what do you recon youd get? is 16k within reach? that would be indeed a crazy high score on a ti500 :D

[Ragnarok]

Will be going for 14K on R8500 as soon as I figure out a way to attach my pelt block to it, and figure out some volt mods for this non reference design card..

stupid card has non standard mounting holes (have to make my own perspex adapters) and the GPU itself is located very close to the AGP slot, so the pelt block easily collides with the PCI slots

[Mitz]

i still playing with geforce3ti200 and will go for 4ti4200

next week i will benchie again, try to get 12K in 3damrk2001 and 1400 in 03 with my 3ti200 and old tbred 1700+..

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1611933

[bowman1964]

i had a 24k on my 9700pro but nature was bugged,that was with a xp1700....
to be honest there proberly should be a class for just the older xp processors,,bartons t-bred and such.
it isnt fare with me running a a64 @2.8 compaired to a guy with a barton..even at 3.0g..

[Geforce4ti4200]

Is it true you can v mod 8500s using a pencil? 12k isnt easy on a ti200, whats its clock speeds? my ti200 does 250/525 and I am at 11500 so far on that thing! what clocks did your 9700 pro do and what was your top legit score? you have 28k on a 9800 pro, how much slower would a 9700 pro be on your same rig? 25k?

[ALT-F13]

Geforce4ti4200
"Oppainter, Macci, bowman, Fugger, etc or anyone with such fast cpus and excellent cooling, you have got me wondering what could be accomplished on a radeon9700 pro. The highest score for that card is only 23k set many months ago too! What could be achieved now? 25k? 26k? also what about ti4600s, ti4400s, ti4200s, ti500s, radeon8500, 9500, 9600"

Well, La1kr0diZ plays with his R9500 on P4EE@4.2... For now 24460 and in XS TOP-20 with R9500NP:) He's going to mount phase-change soon... 25k on $130 card would be awesome achievement (erm... and $1k ES cpu;))

[lalPOOO]

Well, I was attempting to get first with my geforce2 mx400. However, after going through the clock speeds on the people beating me, I realized that unless I had a MUCH better system, I just wouldn't be able to beat them due to the fact that they just had better cards. My memory doesn't really go past 220mhz and won't run for long at the speed under stress. I was also going to try with my tnt2, but I think i broke it :P

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by ALT-F13
Geforce4ti4200
"Oppainter, Macci, bowman, Fugger, etc or anyone with such fast cpus and excellent cooling, you have got me wondering what could be accomplished on a radeon9700 pro. The highest score for that card is only 23k set many months ago too! What could be achieved now? 25k? 26k? also what about ti4600s, ti4400s, ti4200s, ti500s, radeon8500, 9500, 9600"

Well, La1kr0diZ plays with his R9500 on P4EE@4.2... For now 24460 and in XS TOP-20 with R9500NP:) He's going to mount phase-change soon... 25k on $130 card would be awesome achievement (erm... and $1k ES cpu;))
I just looked at your ORB link....you know that if you had a fast Canterwood board with PAT you could probably have 28k? At around 17k its worth +500pts, so at 27.3k its probably worth more...

[QuadDamage]

I had once a nice clean competition with our friend MickeyMouse in ti4600 class. Since i still have one of then ti4600's, maybe i'll give it a shot. Has anyone ever benched a GF4 at 400mhz core +? would be really nice to see what it can do at lets say, 400/800 with either a P4 XE or A64/FX-51.

[Soulburner]

With a high end system id say those 4600s could put out 22-24k range.

[Geforce4ti4200]

the top ti4600 score is still 19k, its about time someone get over 21k which is the top ti4200 score

[QuadDamage]

yeah i know, that score belongs to MikeM, right? very impressive score. btw, these latest Ti4200's aka ti4800's are built on ti4600's PCB so there not much diffrent except for the memory chips. and btw, i think MSI ti4600's are the best clockers period. mine used to bench at 375/770 air cooled + a/c unit blowing cold air at it.

[[XC]thewildblue]

Well I hold the number one score for Kyro 1 cards for the team....I have held this since november last year.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=4928502

Got second in the Radeon 7000 class as well
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=4966893

Lets take em all !!!!

[zakelwe]

One thing to note about older cards is that the video card becomes the bottle neck the older you get.

As an example of this look at the gf3 ti 200 class and the array of cpu's in the top 10. You'd rather have a gf3 ti200 that does 300/600, and a lesser cpu, than one that does 270/570 with a fairly fast cpu. In this I speak from experience :) after ending up with the wrong combination.

Another great thing about the older / slower cards is they are cheaper so if it goes bang it is not too bad. Fancy experimenting with a Peltier and chilled water ? Slap it on a GF4 MX 440 rather than your 9800 while you are learning, then when you have gained experience you can take more risks with less chance of tears.

I'm looking forward to what Randi can do in the 4200 class, it's just a shame I could not convince him to have a go at the 5700U class :) Maybe when he has finished in the 4200 class ? I think the extremely good level of competition in the 4200 class swayed him.... or just unfinished business.

Regards

Andy

[Geforce4ti4200]

do you think 15k can be broken with ti200s and 16k with ti500s on a nice athlon64 at like 2.8GHz :)

[shortcircuit]

I'm gonna try it this weekend. I almost broke 15K with a Ti500 and a P4 at 3.8ghz with crap memory timings. I just need to get a vapochill mounted on the Ti500, figure out the voltage reading points, and swap my fixed resistors for VR's.

I'm still not sure if I should use the slot-1 vapo or the socket-a vapo. The slot-1 is easier to mount but I can't use ramsinks with it.... but then again, the temps will be so fckin cold that maybe I won't even need ramsinks :D

Hmm, maybe I could use both :eek:

[Geforce4ti4200]

wow way to go! 15k will indeed be special on a ti500! what do you think an athlon64 could get? 17k? :D

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
wow way to go! 15k will indeed be special on a ti500! what do you think an athlon64 could get? 17k? :D

Read my post again and ShortCircuits ( the main man for the GF3 :) ) plans, all video card based.

Having a crap gf3 and a fantastic cpu is like putting bicycle tyres on a tractor in a tractor pulling competition.

:D

Regards

Andy

[shortcircuit]

I should be able to break 15K with the VC in it's previous condition. Unless I can overclock it further with the vapo I don't expect to break 16K... the VC is the bottleneck for sure.

[Geforce4ti4200]

300/600+ on any geforce3 is a very nice overclock, also while the video card may be a bottleneck, additional cpu speed will still help in car chase mostly. youd not gain as much in difference as if you had a faster card though. my ti500 is 265/600 but I need to get a vmod to work on that and get an nf7 mobo and try for 13k on that sucker :)

[shortcircuit]

Well I tried the Ti500 last night with the slot-1 vapochill and no ramsinks. The memory gets way too hot without ramsinks... the vapochill does not seem to cool down the pcb enough to help with the memory. I underestimated how hot this crap tsop mem would get. The vapo wasn't totally cooled down when I took the pic below (it gets really frosty, dangerous as hell).

This is really silly :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

nothing like 8 tweakmonster ramsinks would do :)

[shortcircuit]

Exactly. Working on it right now, with watercooling and a tec.

[coZmic]

first, sorry for my english :D.

i go and buy a ati 9200 (nonpro) from HIS today, 128meg (128bit interface).

my benching rig is a p4 2.8@ 3.3xx (sync mem with crappy timings).

what do you guys think i need in gpu and mem clocks to stay in the top in this class?

i also tried in gf1 ddr and mx460 class to get in the top, but its very hard due to my limited cooling possibilities.

any thoughts on 9200 nonpro in 01?

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by coZmic
first, sorry for my english :D.

i go and buy a ati 9200 (nonpro) from HIS today, 128meg (128bit interface).

my benching rig is a p4 2.8@ 3.3xx (sync mem with crappy timings).

what do you guys think i need in gpu and mem clocks to stay in the top in this class?

i also tried in gf1 ddr and mx460 class to get in the top, but its very hard due to my limited cooling possibilities.

any thoughts on 9200 nonpro in 01?

No thoughts on the 9200 nut your English is better than my Swiss ( joke :) ) ! Good luck and hope you have a lot of fun and let us know how yopu get on. Welcome to Xtreme :)

Regards

Andy

[shortcircuit]

well I'm definitely on the right track with the A64 but the GF3 needs some better cooling. I need to drop the ambient temps in my house by like 10 degrees, too.

Compare these two scores:

P4C-2.8 @ 3.76ghz, GF3 @ 288/612: 14090 3DMarks (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7197300)

A64 @ 2.7ghz, GF3 @ 277/566: 14023 3DMarks (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7277243)