Newbe Help!

[Otis11]

So I just decided to join and had a few questions.

First - Has anyone had any major problems with this? I'm thinking about installing it on my School laptop (GTX 260M) and wanted to make sure it would be stable and everything. (Regardless of stability I should have another GTX 260 up by the end of the week. Depending on Newegg delivery time...)

Second - What's that max stable temp for the two cards above?

Edit: Also, I just downloaded "NVIDIA Notebook Driver for Windows Vista 64-bit 185.85" - hope that's the right one?

And the GPUgrid site says I need Bionic 6.5.0 but I'm using 6.2.28. Will upgrading it lose the WUs I have for WCG? 6.5.0 isn't supported by WCG, are there any problems associated with it?

[Otis11]

Also, when I tried to install the CUDA 2.2 thing, it said I was trying to run a 64 bit instal on a machine that wasn't 64 Bit Vista/Win 7... but I'm sure that's what I have.

[Otis11]

Ok, so I've been trying over and over for the past 3 days. Here are some screenshots. Anyone know whats going wrong?


64 bit right?
http://i27.tinypic.com/154vrxe.jpg




Updating Drivers for GTX 260M from here (http://http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us)for Vista 64 Bit

http://i28.tinypic.com/v8kaaq.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/70joux.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/11vmnaq.jpg




Cuda 2.2 netbook driver from link on GPUGrid.net

http://i29.tinypic.com/294rwcx.jpg


I really want to join GPUGrid XS but I just can't get this to work! Any help is greatly appreciated! :shakes:

[Paladin]

This (http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_notebook_winvista64_186.03_whql.html) is the driver that looks like the correct one.

You should get a newer version of BOINC here (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D) since they have better GPU support. I'm running this (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.38_windows_x86_64.exe) one on WinXP64 and Vista64.

[Otis11]

Hey Paladin, thanks for the response! But that's the driver I have been trying. I retried just to make sure and it gave me the same error as above... But I'll download the new Bionic for now. It doesn't cause any problems for WCG does it?

[Paladin]

None, my rigs (http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=userbycpid&cpid=1ceaf70207c848b31a06cd70e3b503a9) are currently running GPUGRID and WCG at the same time.

Here's (http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&releaseid=R226274&SystemID=ALW_LP_M17X&servicetag=&os=WV64&osl=en&deviceid=21728&devlib=0&typecnt=0&vercnt=1&catid=-1&impid=-1&formatcnt=1&libid=6&fileid=324207) Dell/Alienware's 260M driver v186.12. If that still doesn't work, I'd edit the .inf to change the 250M listed to a 260M then use Update Driver from the Device Manager and manually select the directory with the driver.

[MikeB12]

laptop videotogo may be your solution... http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/drivers

dl the driver and expand it.
then dl the modded inf into the expanded files.
then run setup.


if that doesn't work, you may need to run a driver cleaner to clean all the old attempts off the machine. http://downloads.guru3d.com/Guru3D---Driver-Sweeper-(Setup)_d1655.html

[Otis11]

laptop videotogo may be your solution... http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/drivers

dl the driver and expand it.
then dl the modded inf into the expanded files.
then run setup.


if that doesn't work, you may need to run a driver cleaner to clean all the old attempts off the machine. http://downloads.guru3d.com/Guru3D---Driver-Sweeper-(Setup)_d1655.html

Ok, I'll give that a try in just a little bit. And BTW - good job blowing by me today in WCG. I could feel the wind. :ROTF:


Edit: It worked. Now have 185.66 and getting Cuda 2.2 as we speak!

[Otis11]

So... new problem

I have the driver now, but i can't install cuda... it still does what's in the last pic above

[MikeB12]

cuda is included in the driver. you dont have to install cuda, it's part of the driver.

if the driver wont install, then run hat driver sweeper first.

if you got the driver to install, go ahead and try to add gpugrid to the boinc manager project list. make sure "use gpu" is checked in your boinc manager.
it should work on that gpu - 260M.. it's green in the gpugrid list http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=867#11237

[Otis11]

Yay! It's working!

Thanks for all the help guys!

Just one last question - what's a safe max temp for the gpu? It's been running for just about 5-10 minutes now and it seems to be leveling off around 85C :shocked:

Is that safe?!? :shrug: - suspending it till i know for sure.

[Naja002]

People run them at that temp, so, yes, it's "safe". Personally, I would tweak it down some though, but that's just me....:up:

[Otis11]

So if i let it run for about an hour, it settles in at about 90C... in a room thats 75F... that can't be right...?!?!?!

Edit: thanks Naja - just saw your post. Apparently Nvidia says the max stable is 105c here (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_260_us.html)

Does that hold up for the Mobile series?

And how do i tweak just the GPU setting without turning down my cpu settings (which are at a perfectly comfortable 52 at 100%)

[Naja002]

is it OCed?

[Otis11]

Wow, ok so a twist in events... My card peaked just over 90C and the fan speed kicked up to bring it down to low 80s... what's a good program/way to allow me to turn the fan up like this normally? (FanSpeed doesn't work on this computer for the fans, but does temps fine)

No it is not overclocked at all. Unfortunately this is my school computer so I'm not going to OC any part for stability reasons.

Oh and while you're here, naja, what do you like to keep your cards around. Just as a frame of reference?

[Naja002]

RT=Rivatuner 2.24

Then you will probably have to force the driver and force 3D performance (which you should do anyway) =

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3924945&postcount=4

[Otis11]

So i dl RT, but it doesn't seem to have an option for fan speed that I can find/ am comfortable toying with. Any suggestions?

And what temp do you try to keep yours around? Just a frame of reference.

[Naja002]

So i dl RT, but it doesn't seem to have an option for fan speed that I can find/ am comfortable toying with. Any suggestions?

And what temp do you try to keep yours around? Just a frame of reference.

Go to where you adjust the OC....there's a Fan tab. There's no reason to be shy of that one.

Mine bounce between 28-31C. :up:

[Otis11]

I don't get a fans tab if i know what you're talking about. This is what I see. (and for some reason it thinks i have a 170M...?)

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8391/43574601.jpg

Hey, naja - thank for all the help. ;)

[Otis11]

Wait - your Graphics cards are 31C?!? Are they on ice!?! How did you manage that one?

[Naja002]

I don't get a fans tab if i know what you're talking about. This is what I see. (and for some reason it thinks i have a 170M...?)

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8391/43574601.jpg

Hey, naja - thank for all the help. ;)


Strange. At the top of mine it says: "Rivatuner (driver emulation mode)"

Under driver settings is says: "No supported drivers detected for this display adapterCustomize..." Your's says: "Forceware detected". (???)

Underneath: Mine is blank. Your's is showing files. What driver are you using?

When I go to Overclocking I have 4 tabs: Overclocking, Fan, Compatibility, Overlay

Check the "about" tab and make sure you have 2.24.


Wait - your Graphics cards are 31C?!? Are they on ice!?! How did you manage that one?


:rofl:

Gotcha! :ROTF:


chill, man, chill in my sig.....:shocked:

[shadowwind]

I have an idea that it might be his bong project those temps got me curios all so:D wow i was off track but the water chiller is giving me ideas for my mini fridge project guess i got to wait till i get home to try your project out.

[Naja002]

I'm working on the "plateHX conversion" in my sig now....:up:

[Otis11]

Yes it's version 2.24 and i'm running driver 195.66 for my graphics card. Does anyone know the lifespan of the card if it stays at 90C crunching? If it'll last around 4 years I'll be more than happy with those temps and just say w/e. Otherwise I really need to find a way to cool this down a bit...

And actually in all honestly I'd like a good program to just put fan speed up a bunch... But idk is it just me? how would I fix RT? I downloaded Precision but it won't let me change the fan speed. It's on auto and Idk how to fix it.




I just read through all of your sig links - I'm just speechless. I'd read some before, but just realized that the same person did all of those mods and that just totally blew my mind...

Now i'm really trying to figure out if I should call docter sig for you or bow in humble admiration...

[Naja002]

Yes it's version 2.24 and i'm running driver 195.66 for my graphics card. Does anyone know the lifespan of the card if it stays at 90C crunching? If it'll last around 4 years I'll be more than happy with those temps and just say w/e. Otherwise I really need to find a way to cool this down a bit...


195.66? Is that a typo? 185.66 maybe?



And actually in all honestly I'd like a good program to just put fan speed up a bunch... But idk is it just me? how would I fix RT? I downloaded Precision but it won't let me change the fan speed. It's on auto and Idk how to fix it.

Not sure why you are having issues. What brand is the card? I have one that allows almost not adjustments and I have to use RT hardware monitor just to get temps from it--nothing else works.



I just read through all of your sig links - I'm just speechless. I'd read some before, but just realized that the same person did all of those mods and that just totally blew my mind...

Now i'm really trying to figure out if I should call docter sig for you or bow in humble admiration...

:rofl:

:up::up:

[Otis11]

yeah, that was a typo - supposed to be 185.66

And idk how to tell what brand it is. It's in a laptop - G60VX

[shadowwind]

Otis if that card is in your lap top it might have passive cooling no fan there is a note book cooler that you sit your lap top on it works fine to help cool things down i got one for my daughter and she loves it.:D

[Otis11]

Otis if that card is in your lap top it might have passive cooling no fan there is a note book cooler that you sit your lap top on it works fine to help cool things down i got one for my daughter and she loves it.:D

Well, I know it's cooled by the cpu fan because I've watched it hit 90C+, heard the fan spin up and it dropped to low 80s... so I'd really like to just spin up the fan myself, but yeah, you're right. I might just have to get a notebook cooler. :shrug:

BTW is GPUGrid out of WU's? I got my i7 up with a GTX 260 and i'm getting this:

8/4/2009 3:49:19 AM|GPUGRID|Message from server: No work sent
8/4/2009 3:49:19 AM|GPUGRID|Message from server: Can't use NVIDIA GPU app for Full-atom molecular dynamics: Your computer has no NVIDIA GPU
8/4/2009 3:49:19 AM|GPUGRID|Message from server: Full-atom molecular dynamics on Cell processor is not available for your type of computer.


Any help? I already updated the driver to 190.xx (190.37 if memory serves) but still not getting anything.

[shadowwind]

its not seeing your nvidia drivers i got that a few time i hate to say this but do a clean sweep of your drivers and reload them again something is wrong and the servers is fine from what i can see. but wait to see if what im telling you is ok some one will chime in if im incorrect,and give it,:down: or :up:i got to much sun today,:rofl:

[Otis11]

its not seeing your nvidia drivers i got that a few time i hate to say this but do a clean sweep of your drivers and reload them again something is wrong and the servers is fine from what i can see. but wait to see if what im telling you is ok some one will chime in if im incorrect,and give it,:down: or :up:i got to much sun today,:rofl:

Well i guess i just had to give it some time, the desktop is working well, but I think it gave me way to much work. Is there something I can do to help get it in in the 24 hour window, like get less at a time? or does it self correct?

[MikeB12]

I think MM said there is a setting called "no new tasks" that will accomplish that.

[Otis11]

Exciting news! I bought all the parts for my computer at MicroCenter last saturday, and after setting everything up i found they had given me a GTX 260 (192) when I had asked for a 216 core, so i brought it back to see what they would do. I looked at the prices (got the 192 for $159 after rebate) and they had the 216 priced at $240- and thought, well that stinks. But i decided there was no harm in asking - so I explained what happened to the manager, and since the employee had told me it was a 216 when i asked they decided to honor it.

Basically - MicroCenter ended up giving me a 216 Superclocked for $159 in the name of customer service and their employees word. Made me really happy.

And thanks for the reply Mike, I'm shutting down the rig for a week while I'm at a wedding, but I'll try toggling with that when i get back! Happy crunching all!

[Naja002]

yeah, that was a typo - supposed to be 185.66

And idk how to tell what brand it is. It's in a laptop - G60VX

Apologies, but I don't know much about laptops. I've always built desktops. :up:


I think MM said there is a setting called "no new tasks" that will accomplish that.

"No new tasks" will work, but requires babysitting over the long haul. Even then it will not "regulate" the number of WUs DLed. It will just prevent more work from coming in. ATM Boinc Gpu is not advanced enough to allow the user to select the number of WUs DLed (working, in queue, etc)...that is set by the project. For Gpugrid it is generally 2/gpu (although last weekend it was changed to 1/gpu and then changed back). Aqua was allowing 1/gpu recently. Etc.

The Boinc Cpu allows some regulation through the "additional work buffer"....not really sure what the hold up is on adding something like that to the Gpu side of things--but it would be a nice feature. :up:

Apologies, folks, just been busy with my chiller project, work, life, et al....

[Otis11]

Thanks naja - I'll keep toying with it and see what i can do. Have fun with the chiller!

[Otis11]

How long should it take to complete a WU on a GTX260 (216)? I'm wondering if it's going into 2D mode...

[PoppaGeek]

How long should it take to complete a WU on a GTX260 (216)? I'm wondering if it's going into 2D mode...

I do about 2 a day.

[Otis11]

Ok, it appears that's about where I'm coming in at! Thanks PG!

[shadowwind]

for me on my good gtx 260 some wu takes about 7hours 33min and some take 11 hours 21 mins . i got 2 gtx 260s that wont crunch at all both cards are brand new im hoping they get things going soon i think it is both the grid and cuda that's causing the cards to throttle down both cards work well for folding at home.:shakes:

[PoppaGeek]

for me on my good gtx 260 some wu takes about 7hours 33min and some take 11 hours 21 mins . i got 2 gtx 260s that wont crunch at all both cards are brand new im hoping they get things going soon i think it is both the grid and cuda that's causing the cards to throttle down both cards work well for folding at home.:shakes:

Just leave them on F@H like I did. The teams numbers are really down and they need the points. Unless heat is the issue then ya gotta do what ya gotta do. One day last week I had to stop folding as it was getting over 80 in my room. It is the sunny days that hurt me. Sunny all day in the 90s and I am cooking. Not enough insulation in attic.

[shadowwind]

i had them on f@h and heat is a issue for now i just started the naja002 chill man chill project to get my feet wet he got some good things going on in his sig
worth the reading and he keeps his posts clean and full of info. so poppa there might be a project like trying a chilled aquarium or some thing like that:D in it for you i know its keeping me busy:up:and its fun,:D

[PoppaGeek]

i had them on f@h and heat is a issue for now i just started the naja002 chill man chill project to get my feet wet he got some good things going on in his sig
worth the reading and he keeps his posts clean and full of info. so poppa there might be a project like trying a chilled aquarium or some thing like that:D in it for you i know its keeping me busy:up:and its fun,:D

Yep I went thru them some time ago. Impressive for sure. There is just something about mixing liquids and electronics I can't get over. Say what ever ya want I can not get comfy with it. Nightmares and such. :eek:

I am thinking more like enclosed box that vents air out thru hole in window. I dunno. :shrug:

[Otis11]

Ok, so overclocking noob here. I was talking about my graphics card in my laptop, and decided i think i'm going to try to underclock it to keep the temps down and still be able to run GPUGrid 24/7. (Is that a bad idea? otherwise i'm not comfortable running it at all because of the temps. But desktop running it either way.)

It looks like in Precision, the shader clock is twice the core clock, so I have that locked, but is there any relationship between those two and the memory clock? It looks kinda random. (core/shader/mem - 383/766/301) what should I know before trying this? and is there anyway to get them to apply at startup?

Thanks for the help!

PG - I know what you mean. Seems really cool (litterally - haha bad joke) but I don't know how well i'd sleep with water in my computer...

Edit: Actually, when i start GPUGrid, the clocks jump to (540/1350/799) and whatever I set in Precision has no effect on what it actually runs at...

[PoppaGeek]

Ok, so overclocking noob here. I was talking about my graphics card in my laptop, and decided i think i'm going to try to underclock it to keep the temps down and still be able to run GPUGrid 24/7. (Is that a bad idea? otherwise i'm not comfortable running it at all because of the temps. But desktop running it either way.)

It looks like in Precision, the shader clock is twice the core clock, so I have that locked, but is there any relationship between those two and the memory clock? It looks kinda random. (core/shader/mem - 383/766/301) what should I know before trying this? and is there anyway to get them to apply at startup?

Thanks for the help!

PG - I know what you mean. Seems really cool (litterally - haha bad joke) but I don't know how well i'd sleep with water in my computer...

Edit: Actually, when i start GPUGrid, the clocks jump to (540/1350/799) and whatever I set in Precision has no effect on what it actually runs at...

Under Advanced > Preference > Processor Usage put in something less than 100% for % of CPU usage. Try like 60% and watch temps and go from there.

[Otis11]

Ok PG - so I tried that and it dropped my cpu temps, but they were already within a comfortable range. I'm worried about the gpu being in the low 90s and it didn't make a difference for that. Is there a way to set GPU usage to say 70% or so?!?

[shadowwind]

otis i would try a fan blowing on your note book it may help some i really don't know what you got for a heat vent or air intake grill but i think i would point a house fan in those areas to see if it drops the temps down a little bit. it may work,:)

[PoppaGeek]

Laptop being so enclosed thought maybe an overall reduction in heat might help. I dunno if you are going to be able to keep that cool enough as ventilation options is so limited. Maybe just WCG on the laptop??

[123bob]

....Sorry to sound like a concerned parent here, but, I've been following this thread thinking, why risk the laptop at all? You said in your opening post that it was your school rig. You have other rigs that are more appropriate and less risky. I would ask, if you lose the lappy, what happens to your school work ability?

And yes, I recognize that you have caught the cruncher disease. I have had it bad for a while. I used to crunch the crap out of my work lappy. I had to ask myself, if it died, would that have an effect on my ability to afford the power bills I pay every month? You bet it would.... I quit doing it.

Don't get me wrong. I would crunch the toaster and the washing machine if I could load BOINC on them. ....But I can live without toast or clean clothes if needed...:rofl::ROTF:

Regards,
Bob

[Otis11]

Laptop being so enclosed thought maybe an overall reduction in heat might help. I dunno if you are going to be able to keep that cool enough as ventilation options is so limited. Maybe just WCG on the laptop??

Do you realize what section you're in? That's Blasphemy!

But in all seriousness, that's what i've been doing. I've been downloading a GPUGrid WU every now and then and working on keeping the temps down, but have yet to figure out how. Thinking I might have to leave this to my desktop. What can you do? :shrug:


....Sorry to sound like a concerned parent here, but, I've been following this thread thinking, why risk the laptop at all? You said in your opening post that it was your school rig. You have other rigs that are more appropriate and less risky. I would ask, if you lose the lappy, what happens to your school work ability?

And yes, I recognize that you have caught the cruncher disease. I have had it bad for a while. I used to crunch the crap out of my work lappy. I had to ask myself, if it died, would that have an effect on my ability to afford the power bills I pay every month? You bet it would.... I quit doing it.

Don't get me wrong. I would crunch the toaster and the washing machine if I could load BOINC on them. ....But I can live without toast or clean clothes if needed...:rofl::ROTF:

Regards,
Bob

Yeah, that's why I'll probably remove GPUGrid from the lappy once school starts, but for now I still have a week to play around with it. If anything goes wrong I have a little time to fix it. But while GPUGrid will be limited to my desktop, I'm really quite comfortable with WCG on the laptop. Stays at or below 50C as long as its in an airconditioned room, so I don't really see a reason to stop that.

Just as a note - I actually got my desktop specifically for this. So i can get into OCing, and run both WCG and GPUGrid with no worries and no consequence. WCG isn't going anywhere, but seems like GPUGrid is going to have to be restained.

Thanks for all the feedback guys, I'm staying with the team, but looks like b/c the risk factor it's best if i cut back for a bit. I'll keep adding when I get the opportunity!

[PoppaGeek]

Yes this is the Xtreme team but Xtreme upto but shy of destroying anything.;)

I would hate to see ya trash your laptop. :up:

[shadowwind]

i really got to agree with poppa and bob on this dont risk your laptop if its needed for school i just purchased 2 mac note books for my girls for college and they are going all macs for school and homework asignments this fall if they crash or destroy them i will kill them.:shakes:

[Otis11]

Yeah, I'm normally pretty careful with my computers. Not going to fry anything, that's why I was trying to underclock it and stuff. Now it's too close to school starting so I can't repair anything in time. Sticking to WCG on the laptop.

Again - Thanks for all the help guys!