Got the P4 up and runnin but... [Archive]

Nebulous

11-21-2003, 05:02 PM

I have no bleeeeping clue on how to oc this thing ! :lol: This bios is so cunfuzing. So many settings and it took me about 1/2 an hour just to find my way around the familiar settings. Gotta hand it to you P4 gurus, i'd get lost in there. Ok this is what i have:

Asus P4C800 Deluxe (bios 1013)
P4 2.6C
2x256MB PC3200 Twinmos BH-5
2-100GB wd HDD in Raid-0
Highpoint RocketRaid ATA133 pci card
Visiontek GF4 Ti4600 Modded
TTGI 520w Psu
Stock cpu cooler and got a 40mm coolermaster fan on the NB. ( been a long time since i've air cooled, lol)

Cpu temps are 27c runnin all default and stock.

Ok, now what do i do here? I'm gonna need the A-B-C's on this. It's my first P4 rig so bear with me. I've been AMD since forever.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Blue078

11-21-2003, 05:13 PM

To me my P4C800 Dulxe is easyer to OC than my nf2 rig.

If you need help with settings I'll be glad to walk you through the BIOS.

But first I just want to make sure you know theise new Northwoods and High vcore dont go to well togather :)

You want to first find out how high a fsb your 2.6 can reach on default vcore with mem set to 3:4 ratio and slack timings, compaired to AMD you might be suprised.

+ the P4C800 Deluxe overvolts vcore a little.

Soulburner

11-21-2003, 05:30 PM

DDR Frequency
400 = 1:1
320 = 5:4
266 = 3:2

That's pretty much all you need to know that may be different from your AMD.

Also don't even bother looking at the reported temps, they are ~8-12c lower than they really are (tested with my probe on the back of the CPU).

Nebulous

11-21-2003, 07:29 PM

ok what i wanna know is set what to what. I mean what setting do i se to what to get what. i have no idea.

Nebulous

11-21-2003, 08:08 PM

Help anybody?:(

Blue078

11-21-2003, 08:58 PM

OK exactly what are you haveing trouble with ??

The BIOS memory timings are just about the same as an AMD rig
your Corsair should easly hold cas 2-3-3-5 at default FSB with ratio set to 400 which =1:1 or 200mhz for memory bus.

BBThumper

11-21-2003, 09:01 PM

http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=7&var1=18

.......this is a great place to start. Kinda busy right now but I'll be back to give you hand........

BBThumper

11-21-2003, 09:03 PM

...ALSO HERE IS A THREAD WITH PHOTOS OF THE BIOS. Ask what you don't understand..........

Soulburner

11-21-2003, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Nebulous
Help anybody?:(
What do you need help with? It works the same way as an AMD system, with the only exception being the locked multiplier.

Nebulous

11-21-2003, 09:14 PM

Well i see the FSB is locked @ 200 and i can't change it. Now the ram timings i'm kinda familiar with except for the order they're in and extra settings. The rest is just a cunfuzing mess.

Nebulous

11-21-2003, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by BBThumper
http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=7&var1=18

.......this is a great place to start. Kinda busy right now but I'll be back to give you hand........

Tanx but i have to pay to get in that site?

Soulburner

11-21-2003, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by Nebulous
Well i see the FSB is locked @ 200 and i can't change it. Now the ram timings i'm kinda familiar with except for the order they're in and extra settings. The rest is just a cunfuzing mess.
Use the +/- keys to change that FSB ;).

Nebulous

11-21-2003, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Soulburner
Use the +/- keys to change that FSB ;).

Ok tanx soul .with the help climbski ( which explained it to my like i was 6 y/o :lol: ) I managed to set this :

Cpu speed: 3Ghz 1.6vcore
Dram freq. 3:2 (266)
Agp Voltage-1.7

FSB is 230 and evrything else is default ; ram timings, vdimm, and whatever else like the performance thingy etc.

now what else do I do? So far i know a little about some settings.

BBThumper

11-21-2003, 09:46 PM

........scroll down to THE FREE BIOS GUIDE ;) :

http://www.rojakpot.com/freebog.aspx

BBThumper

11-21-2003, 09:48 PM

Cpu speed: 3Ghz 1.6vcore
Dram freq. 3:2 (266)

.........do you want your ram at 153 MHZ?...........

DIVIDERS EXPLAINED:

........its the speed your ram runs........1:1=same speed as the fsb, 200fsb=200Mhz..........5:4 = 5 divide by the fsb then 4 times that = your ddr MHZ, 200fsb = 160Mhz......3:2 = 3 divided by the fsb then 2 times = your ddr MHZ, 200fsb = 133Mhz.........

Nebulous

11-21-2003, 09:52 PM

Well no, but climbski suggested i set it there to make sure my ram was a bottleneck.

Ok a little more tweaking:

Dram freq: 5:4
FSB 235
Timings: 2-3-3-7-4
Cpu speed: 3054Mhz

*edit*
FSB 240
Cpu speed: 3117Mhz

Cpu temps: 32c

BBThumper

11-21-2003, 10:00 PM

Burst=8
PAM=Enabled
Idletimer=Infinite
Refresh rate=7.8sec=512mg
Spread spec=disabled
I.C.H=enabled

........make sure to disable Legacy USB. It can cause alot of problems when overclocking..........

Soulburner

11-21-2003, 10:26 PM

I have played with Spread Spectrum during overclocking, and it made NO difference in stability, not even at 295fsb. It also made no difference in speed (3DM01 scored the same on/off).

I also played with that DRAM Refresh Rate on all of the different settings with no difference in speed or stability.

I run it Turbo-2-2-2-5-4-Enabled-Auto-Auto as do most others but I have SS and ICH Delayed Transaction Enabled.

Nebulous

11-21-2003, 10:35 PM

ok, after setting those I got my FSB to 250. i was wondering about that "performance" mode thing.

climbski

11-21-2003, 10:59 PM

Glad you got it working there...Idea on the 3:2 divider was to find your max CPU OC first then work on increasing the mem speed:toast:

Nebulous

11-21-2003, 11:08 PM

Well this is it for now:

Cpu speed : 3315Mhz
5:4 ratio
2-2-2-7-4 Turbo
FSB @ 255

Vcore @ 1.6v and vdimm @ 2.85v Cpu temps are 30c

Not bad at all!

Tanx climbski, soul and all you guyz for having patience with me :toast:

BBThumper

11-22-2003, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by climbski
Glad you got it working there...Idea on the 3:2 divider was to find your max CPU OC first then work on increasing the mem speed:toast:

.......sorry I didn't realize that ................

st0nedpenguin

11-23-2003, 04:29 AM

/me grabs the notepad and starts scribbling...

:D

Nebulous

11-23-2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by st0nedpenguin
/me grabs the notepad and starts scribbling...

:D

lol, Hey Pengy, this asus board rocks! Rock steady stable @ present speed. Wished my vmodded NF7 and Barton ran this fast and smooth. Freakin' blinding faaaaasst! :toast:

st0nedpenguin

11-23-2003, 09:38 AM

Does it actually feel a lot faster?

I can't wait, the CPU is sat next to my bed right now just waiting for tomorrow.

[evil laugh]MUHAHAHAHAHAHA[/evil laugh] :D

Blue078

11-23-2003, 09:54 AM

Nebulous 3.4Ghz thats fantastic glad to see your up and runing :)

Slickthellama

11-23-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Nebulous

Agp Voltage-1.7

Turn that down! It doesnt help OC's and it can ruin your AGP interface. :exclamati

BBThumper

11-23-2003, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Slickthellama
Turn that down! It doesnt help OC's and it can ruin your AGP interface. :exclamati

........they found that AGP volts actually raise the volts through your N/B and helps alot for overclocking............

Nebulous

11-23-2003, 11:24 AM

Well I dropped the vcore and the vagp to default leaving only the vdimm @ 2.85v. So far she's still runnin like a champ.

I might just drop the vdimm too.

Nebulous

11-23-2003, 12:06 PM

Looks like i dropped the vdimm too far back and got a crash. Had to clear cmos via jumper and reset evrything.

Vcore- Auto( default)
Vagp-1.5v
Vdimm- 2.75v

Runnin the same speed again with no crashes. Freakin' awsome board !

3.45Ghz @ default vcore is great :D

Blue078

11-23-2003, 12:40 PM

Neb whats the S speck on that 2.6?? and what country code ??
Sounds like a darn good chip

DeForce

11-23-2003, 12:44 PM

So penguin and neb, is the dark side truly more powerful???

Slickthellama

11-23-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by BBThumper
........they found that AGP volts actually raise the volts through your N/B and helps alot for overclocking............

What's with the '......................'s?:confused:

Nebulous

11-23-2003, 02:44 PM

Blue, this is the stepping:

Pentium4
2.60GHZ/512/800
SL6WH MALAY
M324A834
0687

Not too shabby eh? :hehe:

DeForce, the Darkside is powerful ! :worship:

Soulburner

11-23-2003, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by BBThumper
........they found that AGP volts actually raise the volts through your N/B and helps alot for overclocking............
Not for me. Even at 295fsb it does nothing but make my system slower (lobby framerates drop) so I leave it at 1.5v.

Blue078

11-23-2003, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Nebulous
Blue, this is the stepping:

Pentium4
2.60GHZ/512/800
SL6WH MALAY
M324A834
0687

Not too shabby eh? :hehe:

DeForce, the Darkside is powerful ! :worship:

Not to shabby at all :) alot better than the 2.6 I tried back when the 800fsb stuff came out.

BBThumper

11-23-2003, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by Soulburner
Not for me. Even at 295fsb it does nothing but make my system slower (lobby framerates drop) so I leave it at 1.5v.

.......I never heard of it doing that before soul. I know it has helped alot of guys but I'll keep that in mind..............

Originally posted by Slickthellama
What's with the '......................'s?:confused:

.......I was surprised the first time I learned about it too..........

Nebulous

11-23-2003, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Blue078
Not to shabby at all :) alot better than the 2.6 I tried back when the 800fsb stuff came out.

Ahhh, i hear ya. I'm very impressed to get 3.45Ghz with default vcore. Guess my very 1st P4 build came out a winner :D

Soulburner

11-23-2003, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by BBThumper
.......I never heard of it doing that before soul. I know it has helped alot of guys but I'll keep that in mind..............
Well mine has the stock ASUS heatsink on the NB and I haven't touched it 1 bit, maybe its getting too hot when the voltage goes up.

Iridium192_217

11-23-2003, 05:15 PM

I have a thermaltake tiger on my NB, highly recommended.

Slickthellama

11-23-2003, 08:30 PM

frankly, i dont see how increasing the voltage going thru a NB could help, wouldn't that just generate excessive heat? And my friend burned up an AGP slot at 1.7v. So frankly, i dont see that it is worth it, but i could be wrong.

BBThumper

11-23-2003, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Slickthellama
frankly, i dont see how increasing the voltage going thru a NB could help, wouldn't that just generate excessive heat? And my friend burned up an AGP slot at 1.7v. So frankly, i dont see that it is worth it, but i could be wrong.

.....once before this topic came up here and there were some guys that said the same as you but others have stated they run there like that for long periods, like myself, and have had no such issues. I don't know if it does or does not hurt the AGP slot but you are right about it generating more heat through the N/B.....

st0nedpenguin

11-25-2003, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by DeForce
So penguin and neb, is the dark side truly more powerful???

The power is there, but it's stability (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23221) I'm struggling with. :(

I did nearly crap my pants when I saw the memory bandwidth at stock CPU clock 2-2-2-5 though. :D

Slickthellama

11-25-2003, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by BBThumper
.....once before this topic came up here and there were some guys that said the same as you but others have stated they run there like that for long periods, like myself, and have had no such issues. I don't know if it does or does not hurt the AGP slot but you are right about it generating more heat through the N/B.....

Crazy shtuff, Ill have to give it a try.

cypher_138

11-25-2003, 09:13 AM

I know that running the agp V @ 1.7 is recommended by ATI to cure stuttering in games. Hey D how's that Pent going for you? The main thing I noticed between mine and the 2500 was how fast it ran games/apps. The Bios was a bit disturbing at first but you get the hang of it rather quickly. Everyone would tell me to ramp the fsb when I asked for help, but it didn't explain all the other settings. I'm gonna try Macci's droop mod when I get back home next week.

Nebulous

11-25-2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by cypher_138
I know that running the agp V @ 1.7 is recommended by ATI to cure stuttering in games. Hey D how's that Pent going for you? The main thing I noticed between mine and the 2500 was how fast it ran games/apps. The Bios was a bit disturbing at first but you get the hang of it rather quickly. Everyone would tell me to ramp the fsb when I asked for help, but it didn't explain all the other settings. I'm gonna try Macci's droop mod when I get back home next week.

Koolness! I've had zero peoblems with the pent setup. She's runnin like a hooker on a naval base on payday, like a champ! :D
I'll be H20-ing soon. Prommie's taking a back seat since my grandson came along. I'm thinking I really don't need the prommie on an intel anyways. These babies run alot cooler than the AMD's since they need less vcore. My next step up is a vid card. Even tho my 4600 does really good in games, i think it's only right to complete the upgrade process ;)

Keep me posted on the mod and good luck! :toast:

cypher_138

11-25-2003, 09:57 AM

That's great to hear. My 4600 runs good too but upgrading to a 9800 was a great move. I can run most games maxed out @ 1600x1200. I still run 1280x1024 on multi to help pick up the frags. Yo I picked you up a Bolivar Cuban :D I'll ship it out Monday when I get home. I'll do pics of the mod too. I just hate having to break everything down to do it.

Nebulous

11-25-2003, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by cypher_138
That's great to hear. My 4600 runs good too but upgrading to a 9800 was a great move. I can run most games maxed out @ 1600x1200. I still run 1280x1024 on multi to help pick up the frags. Yo I picked you up a Bolivar Cuban :D I'll ship it out Monday when I get home. I'll do pics of the mod too. I just hate having to break everything down to do it.

Hmm, looks like the right move for me is 9800 pro ;) You think the guyz over @ SG will freak? :eek: :lol: I'm looking at cost plus performance/results and the 9800 pro is the way to go. If i can't beat 'em, might as well join 'em :rotf:

MMMM a Bolivar Cuban? WoW , i'll be scared to light that puppy up, but hey i'm gonna enjoy that badboy fo sho' !! :banana: Tanx! :thumbsup:

Well I thought i'd post the screenie of what the pent is doing with stock vcore:

http://nebulous.250free.com/P4.jpg

I'm sure she still has room, but i know i'm gettin close to the wall.

cypher_138

11-25-2003, 10:34 AM

Looks great man. It is always best to enjoy the best of both worlds like you told YoS. Some of the guys at SG were shocked about the Intel but allot of us run both. Burke would have a few snide remarks I'm sure. Some things never change. ;) Have a good holiday D I'll see you around.:D

st0nedpenguin

11-25-2003, 10:35 AM

I do have one tip I can share Neb, if you do hit the wall, give this a try.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2001/03/07/wrecking.jpg

I have one in the post, should arrive soon. :rotf: