Please help me to pick between 2 lovers

[ntvh]

Hi,

Please somebody help me to pick between the 2 lovers, AMD and Intel

I7 core and Phenom II X4 955

Why I7 core so extremly $$$ compare to AMD
what 're advantage & disadvantage between them?


Thanks

[Movieman]

Hi,

Please somebody help me to pick between the 2 lovers, AMD and Intel

I7 core and Phenom II X4 955

Why I7 core so extremly $$$ compare to AMD
what 're advantage & disadvantage between them?


Thanks

pick the one your heart tells you to go with and you'll be happy..Both excellent chips IMHO..

[EniGmA1987]

I dont really think the i7 is that expensive. The part that is way more expensive is a good quality Intel motherboard. That what you should be comparing the expense of. Personally, I have fun with AMD chips. So many fun options.

[Oberon]

The choice should really come down to what you want to do with it. If you just want to OC the pants off of it, they're both good choices (but AMD probably gets the win for the unlocked multi at low cost), if you want to game, it's a wash, and if you want to do a lot of encoding, go with the i7

*EDIT* Yes, CPUs have pants.

[EniGmA1987]

Well the Phenom is supposed to get better minimum framerate in games than i7. So for gaming I would say a Ph2 as well. Really the i7 is just better for benchmarks, encoding video, and heavy server stuff. Although Istanbul might be better for server now with its HT assist, not positive on that though.

[jas420221]

pick the one your heart tells you to go with and you'll be happy..Both excellent chips IMHO..This.

Plus it isnt that expensive. i7 920 can be found for $230 at Microcenter if you have one around you. Not to mention, it will overclock further then the top of the line AMD chip.

[ntvh]

Yes I do with alot of music, movie encoder...so the i7 core is the way to go but i7 core 3.2 gh cost $990 and AMD Latest core 3.2ghz only $300. That is why it is so hard for me to marry i7 core. Help please

[jas420221]

We have been helping. Just get the cheapest i7 (920) and overclock it to 3.2Ghz. That can likely be done on stock voltage and maybe stock cooling. But I see you are on water so with that you can likely see 3.8Ghz+ if not 4Ghz. That AMD likely wont get there, at least as easy.

[ntvh]

is the 920 intel easy to go to 3.2gh?

[YukonTrooper]

Well the Phenom is supposed to get better minimum framerate in games than i7. So for gaming I would say a Ph2 as well. Really the i7 is just better for benchmarks, encoding video, and heavy server stuff. Although Istanbul might be better for server now with its HT assist, not positive on that though.
Um, no. :)

[zanzabar]

is the 920 intel easy to go to 3.2gh?

noth of them should be an easy 4ghz with proper cooling. the i7 is better at transcoding but the MB is really expensive. the phenom seams to do better in productivity and things that are using 4 or less cores and the phenom2 runs cooler. for gaming as of now with no 8 threaded games (HT dosnt help) and they both do about the same but the amd needs low latency ram and the i7 uses tri channel so it dosnt need anything but the 3 sticks of ram to be there and midgrade frequency/timings, but cheap tri channel and the ocz amd edition

i went with a gd70 and 720BE for my refresh next week (planning to unlock, but if not i can live with 3 cores)

[perkam]

is the 920 intel easy to go to 3.2gh?It is child's play to get the i7 920 to 3.8Ghz and with a little tweaking 4Ghz is easy too.

With the 955, its 3.2Ghz at stock and will do 3.7-3.8Ghz easily, but after that its not that simple to get it stable at 4Ghz. It depends on skill though, some members have gotten the 955 to 4.2Ghz stable on air on the Asus Crosshair III, but both do 3.8Ghz with ease.

I should note, however, that on average, an AMD rig will cost you $200-$400 less than an Intel one, thanks to cheaper ram (only need 4GB not 6), cheaper motherboards (best AM3 mobo out there is $180, best i7 mobo out there is ~$300), and cheaper processors. At the same time, however, no Phenom processor at stock can beat an i7 processor in overall performance though the margin can be less than 5% at times.

Perkam

[zanzabar]

perkam the best intel board is $400 affter rebates

[YukonTrooper]

Who says you need to buy the most expensive components? A cheap i7 build is still faster than an expensive Phenom II build. That says something right there. :)

[zanzabar]

Who says you need to buy the most expensive components? A cheap i7 build is still faster than an expensive Phenom II build. That says something right there. :)

were did u see that, the broken toms review they put out recently

[YukonTrooper]

were did u see that, the broken toms review they put out recently
Give me an i7 920 and EX58-UD3R over a Phenom II 955 and M4A79T any day of the week.

[Husky42]

Both chips are extremely good. However dollar for dollar - The 955 is the better processor. Save a couple hundred bucks and spend that extra money elsewhere.

i7 920's are over rated, over praised and not worth the coin you spend on them.

I wouldnt dare post anything from toms hardware at this forum but AnandTech is a different story in my opinion.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=88&p2=47

i7's are great if you really care about less then a minute when encoding and such, 30-40 seconds is pretty lame for what you pay considering your gaming performance is just about equal to the i7's.

Yea the i7's are faster but its marginal and cost is not justifiable in any way.

At least in my opinion which isnt worth a damn, because all the know it all's will tell me i'm wrong.

[5ILVgearX]

also keep in mind, those X58 boards offer both SLI and Crossfire. With such flexibility on muti gpus i definitely go for the I7. Or i could be wrong, does AM3 socket boards have this flexibility?

[zanzabar]

i hate those charts they never give u what hardware was used and sometimes they change HDD or use the same ram when the amd uses 4GB so for the same value u get faster ram that the amd needs


and if u look at the review (were some of those were pulled) http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3551&p=14
but its all close unless its highly multithreaded, and the amd chips are really good at floating point but they fall out on the inergral stuff.

im looking forward to the amd system i have a 720be and msi gd70 coming it will be a nice $270 upgrade

[perkam]

Give me an i7 920 and EX58-UD3R over a Phenom II 955 and M4A79T any day of the week.You have a good point about performance, seeing as the slowest i7 can beat the fastest Phenom II at stock.

However, there is a reason why people are switching to AMD. Let's take your two choices for example:

Highest End AMD Phenom II Hardware:

Asus M4A79T: $180
AMD Phenom II 955: $245

Total: $425

Lowest End i7 Hardware:

Gigabyte UD3R: $199
Intel i7 920: $280

Total: $475

As you can see, the Lowest End Intel hardware is $50 more expensive than the highest end AMD hardware, and people always want the best hardware they can get for the price.

(Don't tell me 920 can be bought for X dollars at microcenter because that doesn't make it the AVERAGE price in the entire market. People in Europe aren't buying at Microcenter, etc etc)

Perkam

[YukonTrooper]

That $50 is worth it, at least to me. You should link the prices as well.

[eligray]

I just googled to find the definition of Perkam, as I've been seeing that word everywhere it seems. I got linked to the Xtremesystems user profile LMAO! I never realized it was a name :)

[GeorgeStorm]

I would go AMD< unless alot of video encoding is gonna take place
A cheap AMD setup will give you great performance, leaving you with money to spend on other things.

[Scubar]

You have a good point about performance, seeing as the slowest i7 can beat the fastest Phenom II at stock.

However, there is a reason why people are switching to AMD. Let's take your two choices for example:

Highest End AMD Phenom II Hardware:

Asus M4A79T: $180
AMD Phenom II 955: $245

Total: $425

Lowest End i7 Hardware:

Gigabyte UD3R: $199
Intel i7 920: $280

Total: $475

As you can see, the Lowest End Intel hardware is $50 more expensive than the highest end AMD hardware, and people always want the best hardware they can get for the price.

(Don't tell me 920 can be bought for X dollars at microcenter because that doesn't make it the AVERAGE price in the entire market. People in Europe aren't buying at Microcenter, etc etc)

Perkam


Out of those two choices, i would go with the i7 every single time. the $50 extra is certainly worth it with the extra performance the i7 gives over the PHII.

[Kal-EL]

I always go with the brawd that puts out the most performance................ and gives the most head room on the clocks.

[zanzabar]

I always go with the brawd that puts out the most performance................ and gives the most head room on the clocks.

thats the problem the p2 can clock higher than the i7, but the i7 dose intergral faster clock for clock and floats about the same so u have to figure out what will get the best oc then compare that and how important multi threading is becouse if ur running alot of threaded apps and if they are extra redudant and intergral vs if they are some physics or other floats like in games and not vary multi threaded the p2 will keep up clock for clock

and remember that when u look at the benches intel has turbo mode so that 2.66 in a single threaded is running at 2.96 (i think that it gets 2 multis higher) and its at 2.8 for multithreaded things (1 multi higher) so long as it has proper cooling and then u have to factor how u want your OC and if u get a board that can force the +1 multi turbo mode or if u want speed step ext.


then amd lets u unlock the cores and the tri cores are about 90% fully working so thats a $120 720be v the 955 for $255, and thats anouther $130 saved

[YukonTrooper]

thats the problem the p2 can clock higher than the i7
So, uh, are we just going to force feed BS to the OP now? :wth: I have a feeling he's not clocking with LN2.

[p0opstlnksal0t]

We have been helping. Just get the cheapest i7 (920) and overclock it to 3.2Ghz. That can likely be done on stock voltage and maybe stock cooling. But I see you are on water so with that you can likely see 3.8Ghz+ if not 4Ghz. That AMD likely wont get there, at least as easy.

Ive got a completely stable 4.2ghz 920 on a nice air cooler.



is the 920 intel easy to go to 3.2gh?

yes. my 920 D0 gets to 3.6ghz undervolted to 1.162v it runs cooler than stock voltage and could get away with using stock cooler if undervolted. my vote goes to i7. microcenter has them for 230.00 and you can ask if they have D0 stepping. the C0 takes more voltage, but still a good chip nonetheless

[p0opstlnksal0t]

You have a good point about performance, seeing as the slowest i7 can beat the fastest Phenom II at stock.

However, there is a reason why people are switching to AMD. Let's take your two choices for example:

Highest End AMD Phenom II Hardware:

Asus M4A79T: $180
AMD Phenom II 955: $245

Total: $425

Lowest End i7 Hardware:

Gigabyte UD3R: $179 (newegg)
Intel i7 920: $229 (microcenter)

Total: $410

As you can see, the Lowest End Intel hardware is $50 more expensive than the highest end AMD hardware, and people always want the best hardware they can get for the price.

(Don't tell me 920 can be bought for X dollars at microcenter because that doesn't make it the AVERAGE price in the entire market. People in Europe aren't buying at Microcenter, etc etc)

Perkam

Fixed:cool:

[zanzabar]

So, uh, are we just going to force feed BS to the OP now? :wth: I have a feeling he's not clocking with LN2.

the p2 normally clocks a little higher on air and liquid then under chilled and lN2 or lHe they clock notably higher

they are both good

[p0opstlnksal0t]

i think you will be happy either way. I use cad and graphics intense programs and like to multitask like no other... I went I7 for this reason

[Zucker2k]

It is simple, you can enjoy average performance with AMD, or the best performance on the desktop money can buy today with a Intel Core i7. As things stand today, you're even better off with a Core 2 Quad IF performance is your thing; it's a no-brainer really. Buy a Core i7 920 and pair it with ANY board and you will be all set for a long time to come.

[Zucker2k]

the p2 normally clocks a little higher on air and liquid then under chilled and lN2 or lHe they clock notably higher

they are both goodYou really need to pull your head out of the sand... you're past due.

[YukonTrooper]

the p2 normally clocks a little higher on air and liquid
Complete lies. There is no place on this forum for such nonsense. :shakes:

[zanzabar]

HWbot shows the average with a little higher clocks on the p2 and a little faster for the 920 in the 4ghz range for prime and pi benches.

and look at 3d mark, the p2 has the highest except for d0 i7 and there havnt been any top end benching with it since, and its the top 4870x2 (i dont think that any1 but chew had benching with the 4890 and the p2 and he had some bad luck with his retail chips, so the p2 couldent beat the i7 since 4890s beat 2 4870x2)
http://service.futuremark.com/search/3dmark06.action?product=3dmark06.action&doSearch=true&page=&receiver=%2Fajax%2Fsearchresult3dmark06.action&cpuId=&cpuSpeedFrom=&cpuSpeedTo=&logicalProcessors=-100&physicalProcessors=-100&hyperthreading=-100&gpuId=&gpucorespeedFrom=&gpucorespeedTo=&gpumemoryspeedFrom=&gpumemoryspeedTo=&gpuMemory=-100&shadermodel=-100&cooperativeGpus=-100&graphicsdriver=3&operatingsystem=-100


for gaming and productivity they are generally equal, for a VM the amd is better, for an integrated platform amd is better (intel has crap IGP or NV, both bad options), for transcoding and folding intel is better. its a matter of what u are doing and how much fanbayism there is, there is some on both buy intel has always had more and for a long time its been for a large chunk of people intel is the best it dosnt matter, even with socked A or 754/939 amd was better in every metric but people still bought intel and said that it was better. when am2 came out and the pentiumD was redone with the 975 chipset people who had changed to amd stuck with it and said amd even though intel was better then. im on an intel 775 right now and wanted to get a quad for the price of the 9650 that i wanted i got a 720be (would be nice to unlock, if not lower power bill i might not unlock it until the winter affter testing) the best am3 board (gd70 msi) and had enough left to cover half of a 4890, in other places were u cant get amd parts then the intel is the best choice, if i had the money for an i7 and a dfi UT i might have gone with it but i dont find it appealing since its not better at gaming (if u use the intel only sse4 then the i7 better but thats only in the cry engine 1/2 and its offshoots) so i didnt bother waiting for the money. /rant

[perkam]

Fixed:cool:Read the post you quoted again. There's a line right at the end of it in size 1 font made specially for "Zomg 920 at Microcenter means ALL 920s are Cheap ZOMG" members.

Someone sitting in Europe or Canada isn't coming to Microcenter, and the same is true for a local computer shop in Houston or New Jersey. Intel's price on the 920 is $290, hence that is the price that almost all of the retailers have it at.

I'm sure some numbnut in some corner of Nebraska is selling a 955 for $150. That doesn't mean its the price in the market at the moment.

Perkam

[ntvh]

Thanks guys. learn alot a lott

How an I tell cpu is Intel Core i7-920 D0 Stepping CPU ? the bacth s/n like At this place is http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?id=27826
the # is BX80601920...can I go by that number or not? if this is what it is I can buy it from there.

By the way instant email notify is not working
Thanks

[Zucker2k]

Thanks guys. learn alot a lott

How an I tell cpu is Intel Core i7-920 D0 Stepping CPU ? the bacth s/n like At this place is http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?id=27826
the # is BX80601920...can I go by that number or not? if this is what it is I can buy it from there.

By the way instant email notify is not working
ThanksLook for S-Spec: SLBEJ

[Jamesrt2004]

Fixed:cool:

he did say dont do that...


imo i was going to go I7, buut tbh I think i will go AMD in october time over here its about £100 at least to go with the amd system and im going to be trying to unlock an X2 aswell so then thats another £50/60 saved... that for me is worth it as that would negate the cost of the whole motherboard and some money towards some better ram





in all respect if you can afford the I7 and will actually gain performance (you do a lot of multi tasking stuff and say video software etcc to encode/decode video's and the like go I7) if just general stuff with gaming and stuff save the extra cash and go Phenom2 for now

[p0opstlnksal0t]

Read the post you quoted again. There's a line right at the end of it in size 1 font made specially for "Zomg 920 at Microcenter means ALL 920s are Cheap ZOMG" members.

Someone sitting in Europe or Canada isn't coming to Microcenter, and the same is true for a local computer shop in Houston or New Jersey. Intel's price on the 920 is $290, hence that is the price that almost all of the retailers have it at.

I'm sure some numbnut in some corner of Nebraska is selling a 955 for $150. That doesn't mean its the price in the market at the moment.

Perkam

sorry my man, didnt read your fine print. jumped off at the price difference before i read your entire post;) i see your point.


he did say dont do that...



;)

[Damian^]

Jeeze some of you need to know that I7 has the best performance over the Phenom II mostly in synthetic benchmarks (and encoding but that word is so overrated now and used wrong), which in reality, is not worth a damn thing.
Play a game, watch a movie, browse the web anything of the likes, and the Core I7 and Phenom II are on par with each other.

(not a fanboy fyi)

[moiraesfate]

If you want the best, go i7. Its unmatched in the market at the moment. Thats why its so much better.

[3Z3VH]

Jeeze some of you need to know that I7 has the best performance over the Phenom II mostly in synthetic benchmarks (and encoding but that word is so overrated now and used wrong), which in reality, is not worth a damn thing.
Play a game, watch a movie, browse the web anything of the likes, and the Core I7 and Phenom II are on par with each other.

(not a fanboy fyi)

if you want to play a game, watch a movie, or browse the web, a Core2Duo would be on-par with them. None of the three applications you mention really tax the CPU at all.

[Damian^]

if you want to play a game, watch a movie, or browse the web, a Core2Duo would be on-par with them. None of the three applications you mention really tax the CPU at all.
Exactly my point ;)