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Pepc619

06-25-2009, 03:56 PM

Hello I am wondering if this build is okay. I will be using it for gaming, internet and movies on resolution 1280x1024.

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7 920
Motherboard: ASUS P6T SE
Power supply: Mushkin XP-800AP "Extreme Performance" 800W
Casing: Cooler Master RC-690-KKN1-GP
Graphic Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 4890 "Vapor-X" 1024MB GDDR 5 PCI-Express™ 16x
Optical drive: Samsung SH-S223L BEBE LightScribe™
RAM: Team Group PC3-15000 "Xtreem" KIT 6144MB 1866 MHz DDR III 9-9-9-24
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD6401AALS "Caviar® Black™" 640GB 7200RPM 32MB Serial ATAII
CPU cooler: Cooler Master V8

I also have in plan to overclock Intel Core i7 920 to at least 3,2 ghz. Since I'm a noob in overclocking, is there any step by step guide that shows how to safely overclock it to that number or more like 3,5 with better cooling(Cooler Master V8).

There is one possible problem. I was checking for drivers for this motherboard but I can't seem to find drivers for Windows 7 64x. Motherboard P6T has them but not P6T SE. What can I do?

Is this build ok or should I rather go with Phenom II X4 955 build?

zanzabar

06-25-2009, 04:04 PM

if u are going air i would get an amd 955black edition, ocz amd edition ram and the msi gd70 790fx, it will save u money at the same performance unless u do alot of video transcoding (for gaming its the same if not better) and u could get a better hard drive setup like 2 of the 640 blacks or 2 1 TB samsungs or a better monitor. then for a heat sink i would get the xigmatec dark knight or xigmatec 1283 and mounting kit. and i think that the mushkin psu is outdated look at the corsair 750/850hx or an enermax with 80+ silver or higher

and windows7 uses the same drivers as vista 64

Pepc619

06-25-2009, 04:33 PM

Hmm I don't know If I should take AMD build because I'm looking for a pc for future and i7 has all the latest technology and will keep up much better in next few years. If you just overclock it...

But I do believe you that for now AMD build would be better for gaming.

perkam

06-25-2009, 07:02 PM

Usually Core i7 > Phenom, but since you aren't very good at OCing, you're better off with a chip that does 3.2 at stock, which is the AMD Phenom II 955 BE.

So, this should be your build:

CPU: AMD Phenom II 955
Motherboard: ASUS Crosshair III Formula AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Power supply: Corsair HX 620 620W PSU
Casing: Cooler Master RC-690-KKN1-GP
Graphic Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 4890 "Vapor-X" 1024MB GDDR 5 PCI-Express™ 16x
Optical drive: Samsung SH-S223L BEBE LightScribe™
RAM: OCZ Platinum AMD Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
CPU cooler: Cooler Master V8

Hope that helps.

Perkam

zanzabar

06-25-2009, 07:07 PM

the intel wont last longer the 1366 may or may not keep going for the desktop parts and the am3 will be amds socket for another 3 years. and by then both will be outdated

the i7 and am3 have the same performance in gaming and normal use but for video transcoding and folding that are extra redundant and work with 8 cores the HT makes the i7 faster. games only use 2 threads and are mostly reliant on IO bandwidth so for your upgrade u will get more out of going with amd since its cheaper but make sure that u get an unlocked (black edition). that will give u money for a better storage setup thus making games load faster. and the amd chips run cooler so u will get more out of it on air.

thats just my opinion, and i just ordered an msi gd70 and 720be, and just look how nice it looks
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130223

@ perkam, if u dont know how to oc then starting with asus a bad idea they have mislabeled bios options and the msi is just so nice looking so i wouldent recommend the asus and the crosshair 3 is $50 more. and for the psu the 850 or 750hx is an 80+gold and similar price to the 620

Razrback16

06-26-2009, 03:05 AM

Right -- don't count out AMD. There isn't THAT much difference in gaming between the i7 and the Phenom II -- especially since the Phenom II overclocks like a beast now like the Intels. Also keep in mind the Phenom II is way better bang for your buck. :)

Pepc619

06-26-2009, 04:28 AM

In the store where I'm buying they don't have Msi motherboard. Which one should I take instead?

YMAA

06-26-2009, 05:01 AM

You can't order online?

R31Nismoid

06-26-2009, 05:10 AM

Pepc619

06-26-2009, 05:12 AM

Nope I'm from Slovenia and we have enough cheap stores here. So ordering online would take a long time and would possibly come more expensive. I'm sticking with stores in our country.

Pepc619

06-26-2009, 05:13 AM

There was a key point most people are overlooking

resolution 1280x1024.

He doesn't need such a 4890 to run 1280x1024... a 4770 would do it and even then that's still more than you need.
And IMO i wouldn't be going i7 if that's the resolution of choice.
Well I'm looking in future. Maybe I'll buy a new monitor if there will be problems with that one and It will sure be bigger.

R31Nismoid

06-26-2009, 06:20 AM

Well you asked for the advice and then put that = misleading :)

If you wanted to build a system for 24" or something then say so dude, makes it a lot easier as im surprised a lot of people didnt chop your system in half (parts wise) with that res only :)

Pepc619

06-26-2009, 07:34 AM

I am accepting all the advices but i'm using just the useful ones. Because I'm building a computer for future.

So here is an AMD build I made on Slovenian site agt.si . Is it okay?
http://www.shrani.si/f/1u/Jx/Ew3zqDT/amdd.png

Skupaj means final price. Ignore that ''črna'' in text, it means black. I also didn't put Corsair power supply in because they don't have them. And as I was told by some people LC's Arkangel is pretty much reliable power supply compared to the cheaper models.

My budget is 1120€ tho.

Jamesrt2004

06-26-2009, 07:37 AM

looks ok to me !! what psu you using though? and instead of V8 i'd get a TRUE + whats the LC power thing?? guessing psu but never heard of it :/??? maybe go for a more well known rep'd brand?

-edit- it is the psu just so you know it's a EOL product know (not made anymore apparently) so i wouldnt get it imo

Pepc619

06-26-2009, 07:41 AM

What do you think about this one:
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/mushkin_xp800ap_800w/

YMAA

06-26-2009, 08:03 AM

The Mushkin is good. Best warranty in the business too.

Jamesrt2004

06-26-2009, 08:05 AM

yeah I'd say thats better, the mushkin 550w got a good review on jonnyguru (best place for psu reviews) and seemed to get efficiency just under 80% which is pretty good

(might be a tad expensive) but the "best" around here seem to be corsair + silverstone taking the 2 favorite spots I know you said you can only buy from local stores but im sure if you asked the manage there to sort you a deal and try source you a corsair or silverstone unit im sure he will oblige :)

Pepc619

06-26-2009, 08:21 AM

Well I'm not really buying from local stores but from Slovenian websites. However, there are 2 Slovenian websites that have all those parts that you guys are talking about but problem is that sometimes they don't give bills, they just write it on the box and I don't call this warranty at all.

Well this mushkin has 85% efficiency.

clayton

06-26-2009, 08:59 AM

With that low resolution, I don't think 4890 is necessary.

Pepc619

06-26-2009, 10:00 AM

I'm buying 4890 now because in next few years i'm buying new monitor.

What do you guys think about this build:
http://www.shrani.si/f/2Q/IY/mmuEOFW/amddd.png

Eh I'm probably not buying from this site because they are not trusted tho. But this build would be sweet :(

Baron_Davis

06-26-2009, 01:23 PM

Don't be a coward! Go AMD! Go blunt force trauma!

http://kettlebell-training.com/images/rocky-kettlebell.jpg

but seriously i'm goin back to my roots next pc build...amd/ati

pepc619: buddy, get an antec 902, it's better imo. Also, skip the TX and go HX for modular cables!! (the new HX750/850 are also rated 80PLUS GOLD). Finally, skip the XMS3 and get these bad boys (check out the sweet timings!):

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=39685&vpn=996601&manufacture=MUSHKIN

YukonTrooper

06-26-2009, 02:19 PM

Well, i7 get's my vote. There's a reason why you put your initial system together with it. ;)

Pepc619

06-26-2009, 02:40 PM

For AM3 should I go with M4A78T-E with DDR3 ram or M4A79 Deluxe with DDR2 ram.

I think that this build is pretty good.
http://www.shrani.si/f/3P/Wt/3PFqi8hY/1/amd1.png

Ram is 4-4-4-12

This site is pretty poor with power supplies tho I found LC Power's 850W Arkangel and Thermaltake's 750W best.
Check for yourself, I translated with Google for you:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sestavi.si%2Fcategory.php%3Ftbl %3Dpowersup

And no, I'm not buying Enermax's stuff lol, far too expensive.

P.S: Baron Davis, this? http://sestavi.si/item.php?id=420&tbl=case

perkam

06-26-2009, 02:48 PM

http://www.shrani.si/f/2Q/IY/mmuEOFW/amddd.pngThis one is the best one.

Perkam

Pepc619

06-26-2009, 04:13 PM

This one is the best one.

Perkam

Yes but it doesn't help me much (read under the picture) :/

Thanks for your opinion tho.

Pepc619

06-27-2009, 06:03 AM

OK this are the last builds! Now I just have to pick the right one. Votes? :)

AMD
http://www.shrani.si/f/3P/Wt/3PFqi8hY/2/amd1.png
AMD 2
http://www.shrani.si/f/1u/hn/4I2naX5f/amd-sestava.png
Intel:
http://www.shrani.si/f/1s/G3/1zWczp1d/2/untitled3.png

zanzabar

06-27-2009, 10:23 AM

can u not get an am3. but with those prices i would go i7

Husky42

06-27-2009, 10:39 AM

Well, i7 get's my vote. There's a reason why you put your initial system together with it. ;)

Because he believed the hype the fanboys put out there?

YUP there is a reason but I wouldn't say it was the right one.

i7's are not the ideal chip for gaming. The 955 is faster in several instances then the 920 and for the price. It cannot be beat. At least here in the states.

However, Looking at his price list im rather amazed that the difference is so close. But the again the components in that AMD build are better.

You could realy go either way mate, nobody is going to fault you for going i7 or AMD. Both are worthy and both will keep you happy, although just remember this - Ati/amd have a better relationship and your building a system AMD recommended with the ATI/AMD combo. With Intel the relationship is not good or bad, just pretty non existent. Nividia relationship with Intel has gone down the crapper because Intel are corporate blood suckers where as AMD is not.

Support the small honest guys not the big corporate thieves.

YukonTrooper

06-27-2009, 11:16 AM

Great, the computer gods have blessed this thread with the "Intel kills babies" crowd. I guess they could just try guilt tripping the OP into a decision. :p:

And, yes, the fastest gaming chip is definitely not the ideal gaming chip. Agreed 100%. :lol2:

perkam

06-27-2009, 01:44 PM

This one:

http://www.shrani.si/f/1u/hn/4I2naX5f/amd-sestava.pngBut take the cheapest 4890 you can get. Unless you're gaming at 1920x1200, you don't need the Vapor X. Just buy the cheapest 4890 and you're set.

@ Yukon, he doesn't want to bother much with clocking and so the the 955 offers him a high clock and four cores, the best of both worlds.

Perkam

YMAA

06-27-2009, 02:37 PM

You could realy go either way mate, nobody is going to fault you for going i7 or AMD.

You say it but you don't mean it...

although just remember this - Ati/amd have a better relationship and your building a system AMD recommended with the ATI/AMD combo. With Intel the relationship is not good or bad, just pretty non existent.

So...he should chose parts based on how much the companies like each other? That is...in a word...laughable. How does that have any bearing on the functionality, performance, or warranty support of his parts?

Pepc: "Hello, I'd like to RMA my i7 920 CPU please."
Intel: "Alright, just a few questions. Are you using an nVidia graphics card in your system, sir?"
Pepc: "Yes."
Intel: *click*

Nividia relationship with Intel has gone down the crapper because Intel are corporate blood suckers where as AMD is not.

Support the small honest guys not the big corporate thieves.

You might have a point if AMD was just one guy in a basement making CPUs, but like it or not AMD is also a corporation, and full of just as many blood-suckers as Intel. By that argument nobody should buy gas or electricity because those only come from large, blood-sucking corporations. Please keep fanboyism about company policies out of this thread.

Perkam's advice is sound, especially on not taking the Vapor-X. Many 4890s can hit 1GHz clock speeds on reference cooling anyway.

Baron_Davis

06-27-2009, 07:57 PM

Hey guys, Vapor-X is NOT the same cooler as the Toxic/Atomic cards. It's not even better than stock, from two reviews I seen.

I would go with XFX for double life time warranty.

And go Xigmatek or something for the cpu cooler. It's great, smaller footprint than something bulky like the V8 and cheaper, too.

Pepc619

06-28-2009, 03:39 AM

Ah damn, I'm so confused now what to take...
Actually I want to overclock but not much.

If I would take 955 i'd OC it to 3.8
If i7 920 to 3.5

So you guys are saying Vapor-X is not worth taking?

perkam

06-28-2009, 05:41 AM

Ah damn, I'm so confused now what to take...
Actually I want to overclock but not much.

If I would take 955 i'd OC it to 3.8
If i7 920 to 3.5

So you guys are saying Vapor-X is not worth taking?Take the 955 + cheapest 4890 (from XFX, Sapphire, Gigabyte, etc).

Perkam

YukonTrooper

06-28-2009, 11:32 AM

i7 920 @ 3.5GHz wipes the floor with PII 955 @ 3.8GHz. I agree with the HD4980, though.

Yukon

perkam

06-28-2009, 07:30 PM

Perkam's advice is sound, especially on not taking the Vapor-X. Many 4890s can hit 1GHz clock speeds on reference cooling anyway.Ty for the compliment m8, but reference 4890s do not hit anywhere near 950Mhz let alone 1Ghz on stock cooling. They just don't have enough voltage to do that, hence the reason you either mod them, get a higher clocked card, or get the Asus voltage regulation card.

The reason I told him to get the cheapest 4890 is because based on what is previous rig was, a reference 4890 will be a HUGE jump as it is.

The Vapor X, the Toxic and the Atomic are for people going from 4870, 4850, 8800 or GTX 260 to the 4890 and who want to feel an instant jump in performance relative to their previous cards.

Perkam