1TB HD .... immature hardware ?

[gillll]

:( had bought 2 hitachi 1tb ... one had stop working after a month..
was damn too hot.. 47c~

so i had replaced them with 2 seagate 1tb (the new 2*500 plates)
and had added two hd cooler bays from tt. avg temp 37c

now one of them had stopped working.... :shakes:

can it be that still there aren't any good 1 tb hd ? :confused:

help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SoulsCollective]

Do you have any kind of power filtering? Surge protection, UPS? What PSU was powering the drives?

[Russ_64]

Maybe there is a good reason why some like Samsung are bringing out 5400rpm versions that are Eco/Green (model F2...)

[gillll]

well it's 400 generic psu but the system itself is on 320wd hd which running hotter and nothing happens to it.
and all voltage looking good.
u think i need powerfull psu ?

[zanzabar]

47c isnt hot thats were it should be (35-50c not over 55 or under 20), and i would replace your psu not more powerful in wattage but something higher rated like an 80+ of a reputable brand. then next time get a reliable brand like samsung (F1) or WD (black/re3).

[gillll]

reliable ?..... both hitachi and seagate just stop working.... they are reliable companies..

that's why i think this hardware isn't mature enough... :(

i'll check the psu and report but i don't think so, it's a p4 lga775 pc with intel 915 chipset.
might be the intel sata controller ?

man the data i have on this hd............... :( :( :(

[zanzabar]

did the electronics or mechanical die if its the mechanical put it in the freezer then u have a few hours to get the data off

and seagate and hitatchi are generally non reliable and if u do get hitatchi the normal and server drives are completely diffrent

[gillll]

i think it's electronics... the hd sounds good and spins when u connect it without probs.

strange .... we don't have too many hd manufacturers and u say half of them are non reliable.. :(

[One_Hertz]

The higher the platter density the less reliable it is.

[3Z3VH]

If the Seagate drives are the 7200.11 series you may want to update the firmware. Their older firmware revisions caused a lot of problems.

[Scubar]

I current have 4x1TB Western Digital GP and 2xSamsung F1 all running perfectly.

[L'enFer]

I current have 4x1TB Western Digital GP and 2xSamsung F1 all running perfectly.
How long do they work?

[gillll]

those are the 7200.12 hd.

might be the "ide" to "sata" power convertor ?

and mine are running 24/7 acting as fs and download progs like bittorent and rs.
so they kinda work hard...

[SoulsCollective]

What do you mean by "IDE to sata power convertor"? As in, molex-to-SATA convertor? That shouldn't cause issues, although you're losing the 5V that SATA power usually supplies.

My money would be on that crappy 400W generic you're using to power the drives - especially if your drives are on 24/7. Invest in a real, quality PSU - something like a Corsair VX-450 won't break the bank, but will have much better power characteristics and will be kinder to your hardware. Voltage isn't the be-all and end-all where PSUs are concerned, you also need to consider eg ripple, PFC, etc ec.

[zanzabar]

those are the 7200.12 hd.

might be the "ide" to "sata" power convertor ?

and mine are running 24/7 acting as fs and download progs like bittorent and rs.
so they kinda work hard...

yes those cause problems, if it dosnt come with one dont use it, get a new psu and that means that your current psu is well over 4 years old

[Scubar]

How long do they work?

The 4 WD ive had since they were released and the 2 Samsung F1s ive had for a month now.

[gillll]

zanzabar aren't the 7200.11 the problematic ones ? the 3*333 ?
i thought the 7200.12 are the 2*500..

anyway since last night i took out the one who had stopped working and had connected it through external usb adaptor with sata power. so that means psu as u said or the lack of the 5v when i had connected it with the molex adaptor...

[zanzabar]

zanzabar aren't the 7200.11 the problematic ones ? the 3*333 ?
i thought the 7200.12 are the 2*500..

anyway since last night i took out the one who had stopped working and had connected it through external usb adaptor with sata power. so that means psu as u said or the lack of the 5v when i had connected it with the molex adaptor...

yah, the .11 have firm ware problems and the .10 and .12 have dead mechanical and electrical problems, the whole seagate line is a mess i would just stay away for a few years for the desktop grade. i tend to stick with what i see in servers and for the last couple years its been samasung and WD. then the 500GB (or 512GB without the cut parts) platters dont seam stable its a half shrink so i think that it might just be bad or needing some new material im waiting for the 667GB platers to upgrade next

and hitatchi just has the same problems as IBM did when they owned that hard drive plant and biz before hitatchi bought it they were doing good with the 166GB platers then they fell off. and when u think about only 2 out 4 desktop makers being good thats not that bad for tech look at all of the other sectors they are always a duopoly

if u get the drives replaced get samsung F1 or WD black/re3

[gillll]

well...10x for the advises.

had bought tt 400w psu active pfc,
has 2 sata cables for each hd .

if the prob will continue then it's the hd for sure.
will update.. hope not to... ;)

[boredtodeath]

This is why I simply don't trust 1TB or larger drives right now. Back in feb this year I was looking at hard drives and I was reading the user reviews on sites like newegg and some message boards etc and most people had problems with large drives. when it came to WD drives it was that newer model with 32mb cache and some fancy dual controller chip which had all kinds of negative reviews.

This whole thing reminds me of some of the early mobos to use sata under the asus brand. The sata connection would always screw up eventually and cause the system to freeze up or restart all the time or files to get corrupted. Perfect example is the asus model p4p800-e vs p4c800-e mobos. That was 865 chipset vs 875p chipset and I have encountered several fail p4p800 models but never a failed p4c800 models. Many hp desktop computers with neutered asus boards inside and only sata I connection from way back when lol they always had issues with sata hdd but newer stuff worked just fine.

I think for now some of these 1TB drives just can't be used, eventually someone will make a decent drive but perhaps not this year and as pointed out earlier another company makes slower rpm drives for some reason.

[Darxide]

+1 for the WD Caviar Greens.
I'm running 2 1Tb's - RAID 1 in a NAS box, with 1 very small fan. Been running 24/7 for 6 months now.

[vazel]

The newegg reviews for 1tb drives are scary. You see a few reviews of people buying a batch of those drives and having 50+% of them fail. Especially the caviar green drives, I'm sure changing on the fly from 5400rpm to 7200rpm doesn't help its reliability. I've noticed 1tb drives getting more bad reviews like that than other drives. Samsungs and WD's caviar black are the best ones but I'm still going to wait a while before I buy a 1tb drive.

[Lightning98]

yes those cause problems, if it dosnt come with one dont use it, get a new psu and that means that your current psu is well over 4 years old

I don't agree... it doesn't have to be an old PSU, simply the case of the cable not being able to reach the HDD or not enough connectors... then you have to use the old->new convertor...

Before i built my storage server i had 12HDD's on a Corsair 750TX , all of them Samsung F1's and all of them working just fine for about 1 year, so i wouldn't agree that 1TB drives are generally bad, and that power adapters are bad too...

Could be a simple coincidence or combination of bad HDD's to begin with and a lousy generic PSU.

BTW, when you got the HDD's did you do that format-copy files "burn in", or just quick format and started using them?

[zanzabar]

the f1 dont use the 5V under normal conditions and come with the adapters, the seagates do not come with adapters and use the 5V on the electronics so it has to use a compatibility converter.

so dont use adapters unless it comes with them

[EniGmA1987]

Samsung has newer F2 drives out now that are 5400 rpm. I just ordered a 1TB drives from newegg for $79.99 cause I filled up my other 2.5TB of storage space. Its new so no one really knows how reliable it is on average but Ill let you know if it fails anytime soon.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152173&Tpk=Samsung%20F2

[L'enFer]

Very interesting. Need to be checked up.

[gillll]

update:

everything looks ok now... since i had replaced to the tt psu with the sata connector,
i guess those seagate needs the 5V as said here.

hd are on 35c avg and eventlog is clean ;)

[SoulsCollective]

Crappy PSUs are responsible for more HDD deaths tha you'd credit. Good to hear that the issue's fixed.

[gillll]

the generic psu i had had only one sata connector and the hd which was connected to it was ok.

so i don't think it's psu but the 5v as mentioned.

and from the whole thread i guess my answer is yes. 1tb hd aren't mature enough,
can't be that only 2 manufactors manages to make "good" hd...