HyperX or Mushkin??

[skate2snow]

hey

I whant to buy some new RAMs but im broke and i whant to no what would you take and if mushkin PC3500 BH5 and kingston HyperX PC3500 have a big difference??? And if Kingston HyperX PcC3500 have BH5 chip???

[interman]

a lot of people recommend mushkin because it's bh5, but many of the top scores at futuremark are done by people with hyperx, so go figure ;)

[kromosto]

if you find hyperx with bh5 then get it if you dont get mushkin

[Tedinde]

I paid like $59 each for my bh5 kingston hyperX's. a steal.

Be hard for you to find bh5 kingstons now though.

[Soulburner]

KHX3200/256 is still guaranteed BH5

KHX3500 is CH5.

[skate2snow]

but whats the difference between CH5 and BH5?????And PC3200 512MB Duel Channel (2x256) is it some BH5????

[Soulburner]

CH5
2-3-2-5

BH5
2-2-2-5

[skate2snow]

so its not a big diference????

[Soulburner]

For Intel it is. RAS to CAS is a big deal. But, if you aren't benchmarking, you will never notice.

[skate2snow]

ok but look this its the Kingston HyperX

333MHz (PC2700) 2-2-2-5-1 (CAS Latency 2)
370MHz (PC3000) 2-2-2-6-1 (CAS Latency 2)
400MHz (PC3200) 2-3-2-6-1 (CAS Latency 2)
434MHz (PC3500) 2-3-3-7-1 (CAS Latency 2)
466MHz (PC3700) 3-4-4-8-1 (CAS Latency 3)
500MHz (PC4000) 3-4-4-8-1 (CAS Latency 3)

whit those numbers what you whould recomend me???

[skate2snow]

PC3700 is it a good deal for overclocking and its overall???

[Soulburner]

Are you going to a max 3DMark score or not?

If not any of them will do you fine.

However the sticks I have are not listed there. Mine are 400mhz 2-2-2-6.

[skate2snow]

I am benmarking alot say me which one to take

[bigballaga]

640+ POSTS,,

Whoaa

are you sitting on your keyboard again Soul !

haha

[Soulburner]

So I like talking about computer stuff, is that a crime?

snow are you in the US? If so the model # for the good HyperX on newegg is KHX3200/256.

[skate2snow]

No I am in Canada in a dead hole....lol

[drunkenmaster]

do'h, yeah, well with any bh-5 you want some good voltage to throw at it for good benching +high fsb fun. If you have that then as soul said, find a shop that stocks both the khx3200 and khx3200a, then you know they are stocking both, the khx3200A is ch-5 chips, its about £20 cheaper here a gig. Its probo worth the cash.

Someone was talking bout bh-5 512 sticks for $99, not at all bad, can't remember which thread though, which is a pain, as bh-5 will be useless in thread search :p

I'll ahve look through logs hope i find it and hope they ship to canada.

EDIT :- hardcorecooling.com i've never heard of them, but i'm from UK, they say winbond pc3200 rated cas 2,2,2,5 which can only be winbond bh-5 chips, they also do cas 2,2,3,6 which is gonna be ch-5 chips.

Also, i had a sitck of winbond own ram with bh-5(i assume) from like 12 months ago. I had no idea to check for winbond bh-5 back then, and stuck some copper ramsinks on it. But it outdid my corsair pc3500 plat, it would go to 228Mhz cas 2,2,2,6 i think on my it7 max 2. I was impressed with it, corsair only did 222 or something. So i'd have to guess that winbond make sweet sticks with none cheap crappy pcb's.

[skate2snow]

thx

[Evil_Spork]

so if i get 2*256 hyperx from best buy ill get bh-5 right?

i can get pc3000 or 3200 and get bh5 right? cuz i know they carry 3000 and i have a ton of gift card $$ for there. sounds good to me if its bh5

[Tedinde]

It should be on the 3000 and 3200, my BB doesnt have any, stay away from their 3500 it's usually ch-5 now, along with the 3700

[luihed]

Originally posted by skate2snow
No I am in Canada in a dead hole....lol

Goto Eglobalonline.com and Im sure they have the khx3200 that you want..... its in vancouver but they do ship everywhere in canada and USA..... make sure you specify that you want khx3200/256 and not khx3200A/256..... they also have em in 512 sticks.... good luck..

[Evil_Spork]

thnx tedinde, i have some ch-5 3500 now, selling it to get some bh5.

all new KHX3500 = ch-5, i got mine right from the factory.

[Hell-Fire]

Just check the voltage rating listed on the sticker on the heatspreader, if its 2.6v its BH5, if its 2.5v its CH5. Just a rule f thumb. Some of the early HyperX 3500 were BH5 if I am not mistaken, but all the new ones are CH5.

I still say HyperX is the way to go. Its solid memory, can take tons of voltage (the CH5 maxes at around 3.6-3.8v), and forget the recommended timings because they run alot faster than that, as do most premo sticks. I run mine at 2-2-2-6 and she is fine.

Good thing abour the HyperX line is that its a no BS return policy. They even cross-ship to ya. I am having some high fsb issues, so they are shipping me 2 new sticks Fed Ex and told me to wait till they get there before sending 2 sticks back. Got an email that said keep all 4 sticks and test em to make sure I get the best of the 4. Dont hear that often.

[skate2snow]

Originally posted by Hëll ‡ Fîrë
Just check the voltage rating listed on the sticker on the heatspreader, if its 2.6v its BH5, if its 2.5v its CH5. Just a rule f thumb. Some of the early HyperX 3500 were BH5 if I am not mistaken, but all the new ones are CH5.

I still say HyperX is the way to go. Its solid memory, can take tons of voltage (the CH5 maxes at around 3.6-3.8v), and forget the recommended timings because they run alot faster than that, as do most premo sticks. I run mine at 2-2-2-6 and she is fine.

Good thing abour the HyperX line is that its a no BS return policy. They even cross-ship to ya. I am having some high fsb issues, so they are shipping me 2 new sticks Fed Ex and told me to wait till they get there before sending 2 sticks back. Got an email that said keep all 4 sticks and test em to make sure I get the best of the 4. Dont hear that often. you said that all the 2.6v is some BH5 but all kingston over PC3000 are 2.6v are you sure its true?

[skate2snow]

Originally posted by luihed
Goto Eglobalonline.com and Im sure they have the khx3200 that you want..... its in vancouver but they do ship everywhere in canada and USA..... make sure you specify that you want khx3200/256 and not khx3200A/256..... they also have em in 512 sticks.... good luck.. thx but i am buying by my vendor and not by mail

[Evil_Spork]

you got the numbers switched,

ch-5 = 2.6v
bh-5 = 2.5v


my ch-6 is rated at 2.6, my old bh5 was 2.5

[st0nedpenguin]

My BH-5 is rated at 2.6v, I wouldn't put much hope into voltage ratings though, it's like timings, the manufacturer tends to be a bit conservative.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
you got the numbers switched,

ch-5 = 2.6v
bh-5 = 2.5v


my ch-6 is rated at 2.6, my old bh5 was 2.5
No, here is mine from the memory I have here:
3200 CH5 = 2.5v
3200 BH5 = 2.6v

The CH5 was created to run at a lower voltage and be cheaper to produce. However it will vary depending on manufacturer and PCB design.

[skate2snow]

but i dont remember where but yesturday ive see that all the new Kingston HyperX are some BH5 except PC3700 and that are CH5 but CAS3 so should i take BH5 PC3500 CAS2 or CH5 PC3700 CAS3

[skate2snow]

?????????

[Soulburner]

No, ALL NEW HyperX is CH5. They do not make BH5 memory anymore.

[skate2snow]

OH its true iam was f*ck

[Fewture]

I have KHX3500 w/o the heatspreaders.. Winbond CH-5 100% ;)

When I got the rams they would not do ras2cas 2 @ 200MHz. Now they can do 245MHz 11-2-2-2 in pifast and 249 11-2-2-2 for a sandra bench!

I know some BH-5 sticks that can not do that :P Best memory I ever had to be honest..

[Soulburner]

Yeah but try doing that on an Intel system ;).

[skate2snow]

ok its should be different on intel P4C becose is more need to run correctely the 800FSB but on the AMDs max is 400FSB so the memory dont change very much if you go whit better or cheaper

[Evil_Spork]

so if i were to get new KHX3000 right now with non A, what chips will i get?

bh5, or ch5?

[skate2snow]

BH5 but now you can almost only get it on newegg(its the only place ive see it)

[skate2snow]

But you have AMD so you dont really have to worry whit that ive just explain that in my last post

[interman]

itbutikken.no sells KHX3500/256 for about $90 or so, in case anyone in scandinavia is in search of some.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by interman
itbutikken.no sells KHX3500/256 for about $90 or so, in case anyone in scandinavia is in search of some.
But the 3500 is CH5.

[skate2snow]

Originally posted by Soulburner
But the 3500 is CH5. ya a few of PC3500 is BH5 but I cant ave some in Canada becose i can only have some by mail (becose it have in stock but all the canadian mail store i know only have PC3500A and the vendors command it from some mail store or direct furnisor) so i cant have somes

[Soulburner]

No the HyperX 3500 does not have an A in the name, there is only 1 name, KHX3500. The A only applies to the 3200 as it has 2 versions, new and old. The new is A and is CH5. ALL new 3500 is CH5 as well and you will be extremely lucky to get any of that from an older batch.

[skate2snow]

ya ive said PC3500A becose i was thinking it was an but i whant to mine CH5 and BH5 for the normal so forget my post ive exprime that the bad way sorry

[SoulEdge]

It doesn't make any sense that kingston would put the last of their bh-5 on pc3000 and 3200 sticks instead of saving it all for the 3500. BTW, isn't there also A and non-A versions of the 3000 flavor? I was thinking about grabbing the dual pack of pc3000 at newegg and it just says khx3000 but I'll definitely pass if it's not gonna be bh-5.

[drunkenmaster]

afaik there is no A version of the pc3000, but if you check whats available on the kingston website it will tell you, if there's an a version, it will be for sale instead of none a, they only sell pc3200A at the moment direct, they don't sell the none a, so i assume its all shippied to suppliers, so will dry up pretty soon :(

[drunkenmaster]

its also not surprising that the bh-5 is mainly used on pc3000 and 3200. Its still only 5ns ram, and its great at high voltage for those who want to run that way. But at only 200mhz its rated at 2.6v, probably small amounts of it will run 217Mhz at 2.6v so they didn't sell much of it, and went with lower timing ch-5 which will run 217Mhz at lower voltage. its just not 100% garenteed to run 217Mhz at low volts so its risky and rma intensive for non enthusiasts to run. Hence put it on lower speed ram where it will work fine. Why have pc3000 version? cos its almost same price, and by not making ALL pc3200 bh-5, they can offer a cheaper version for people that want sync'd systems at 200Mhz but not pay for the very best ram ever.

[Rudzer]

Originally posted by Soulburner
KHX3200/256 is still guaranteed BH5

KHX3500 is CH5.

u sure about that?

makes sense tho, looking at a store price table:

KHX3200/256 - 97€
KHX3500/256 - 89€

[Rudzer]

Anyway whats the point of buying KHX3200/256 then instead 256MB PC3200 Twinmos (with Winbond CH5)? that costs almost half?

[skate2snow]

if its that price its have to be some BH5 becose if not its some good marketing....lol

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Rudzer
u sure about that?

makes sense tho, looking at a store price table:

KHX3200/256 - 97€
KHX3500/256 - 89€
Yes because the CH5 is cheaper to produce and sell.

[Rudzer]

Originally posted by Rudzer
Anyway whats the point of buying KHX3200/256 then instead 256MB PC3200 Twinmos (with Winbond CH5)? that costs almost half?

[drunkenmaster]

Originally posted by Rudzer
Anyway whats the point of buying KHX3200/256 then instead 256MB PC3200 Twinmos (with Winbond CH5)? that costs almost half?

because the khx3200 is bh-5, better and garentees running at tighter timings. pcb's poss better, probably better tbh.


That and pretty blue sinks :p

[WinXP]

My vote goes for the Kingston. Just recieved 2-new 256meg sticks PC3200 non A from Kingston. They had a promo over the weekend an got the sticks for 53.00 a piece an free shipping. It is 012.A02 2.6v an run 235fsb 2-2-2-11 at 2.93v. Pulled my Corsair PC3500 from computer at 11x230 an stuck in the kingston an booted up fine at 230 then tried 235 an no problem, Would not go to 240 but that is not bad, I am happy with them.

[skate2snow]

ok thx

[SoulEdge]

Originally posted by WinXP
My vote goes for the Kingston. Just recieved 2-new 256meg sticks PC3200 non A from Kingston. They had a promo over the weekend an got the sticks for 53.00 a piece an free shipping. It is 012.A02 2.6v an run 235fsb 2-2-2-11 at 2.93v. Pulled my Corsair PC3500 from computer at 11x230 an stuck in the kingston an booted up fine at 230 then tried 235 an no problem, Would not go to 240 but that is not bad, I am happy with them.

I wish I had known about that rebate. I was just looking for the best deal on hyperx over the weekend too :(

[climbski]

Originally posted by Rudzer
Anyway whats the point of buying KHX3200/256 then instead 256MB PC3200 Twinmos (with Winbond CH5)? that costs almost half?

Benchmark scores...that's about it....which is why I got the BH5 too.:)

[Rudzer]

Originally posted by WinXP
My vote goes for the Kingston. Just recieved 2-new 256meg sticks PC3200 non A from Kingston. They had a promo over the weekend an got the sticks for 53.00 a piece an free shipping. It is 012.A02 2.6v an run 235fsb 2-2-2-11 at 2.93v. Pulled my Corsair PC3500 from computer at 11x230 an stuck in the kingston an booted up fine at 230 then tried 235 an no problem, Would not go to 240 but that is not bad, I am happy with them.

this is a joke, that ram costs +100% here :(

[skate2snow]

ouf!! are you sure its the same???? are you talking about mushkin /\/\ll....jk....lol

[Hell-Fire]

For all you people outside the States, just get a trusted friend to send em to you if the price is far cheaper here than there. :hehe:

They might rate the CH5 at high speed with low voltage, but the timings bite. I had to feed my sticks 3.15v for days on end before it would do decent timings and fsb.

[skate2snow]

whats the max voltage can i put on khx PC3500 CH5???? and how its dangerous?

[ArcTan]

Originally posted by WinXP
My vote goes for the Kingston. Just recieved 2-new 256meg sticks PC3200 non A from Kingston. They had a promo over the weekend an got the sticks for 53.00 a piece an free shipping. It is 012.A02 2.6v an run 235fsb 2-2-2-11 at 2.93v. Pulled my Corsair PC3500 from computer at 11x230 an stuck in the kingston an booted up fine at 230 then tried 235 an no problem, Would not go to 240 but that is not bad, I am happy with them. Thanks for the info
I'm gonna pick up some non A sticks now
for about US$75 per 256Mb stick(or $2 more for the 3200A :p: )

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by ArcTan
Thanks for the info
I'm gonna pick up some non A sticks now
for about US$75 per 256Mb stick(or $2 more for the 3200A :p: )
The A is $5 cheaper....

[Evil_Spork]

so,
khx3200/256 dual channel pack, or
mushkin black level2 3200 dual channel pack?

i have 135 bucks to play with in "free" money. im selling my ch-5 for that and not sure which ram to go for. help?

[WinXP]

khx3200/256 gets my vote.
Mine has been sitting at 230fsb at 2.93v 2-2-2-11 since first install yesterday an not had a single glitch. Runs just as good as my Corsair XMS PC3500 v1.1 an Twinmos PC3200 winbond bh-5 chips.

[Evil_Spork]

i would hope so lol.. same mem chips.

basically my question is,

$122 for the kingston, and
$147 for the mushkin. is the mushkin a better pcb or something? or should i take a chance on the kingston and *maybe* not got bh5? since mushkin is all bh5 it sounds better in that area.

[skate2snow]

no all of khx 3200 non A are some BH5

[Evil_Spork]

then i have my man. $122 at newegg. so about 130 in my hand. i shoudl break even w00t!

and i get to have my MX700! me happy.

[skate2snow]

thats fun for you. but i dont have yet the money for my khx but i just find a work so i whil have money soon

[Evil_Spork]

congrats on the job, hope you get good memory as with me. :)

[skate2snow]

ive inpatient to have money becose him damm stuck on the 3.2 whit my 2.8

[skate2snow]

im****

[macci]

if its 2.6v its BH5, if its 2.5v its CH5.
I think its just the opposite - not sure thou

but anyways all the pc3000/256 hyperx modules I've seen so far have done nicely with 2-2-2-5 timings.

[skate2snow]

but i need at least some pc3200 512MB duel channel

[skate2snow]

and when i say 512MB Duel Channel its (2x256) and not (2x512)

[Evil_Spork]

that 3000 hyperx uses the exact same pcb and chips as the 3200. no differance.

both = bh-5 mem chips.

[skate2snow]

no me its for DDR i need some DDR400 for overclocking or more

[Hell-Fire]

Originally posted by skate2snow
whats the max voltage can i put on khx PC3500 CH5???? and how its dangerous?

The 3500-CH5 has a marked max voltage at 3.6-3.8 volts. I know that Macci actually ran 3.65 for benching without any problems. Mind you thats NOT 24/7 voltage my friend. If you start pushing 3.15 or more thru them for extended periods, have a 80mm blowing on them for extra circulation.

I posted a thread about the 3500 as well, I got an email from Kingston stating that "some" of the 3500 actually is shipped with BH5 as well!! :confused:

[ArcTan]

Originally posted by Soulburner
The A is $5 cheaper.... sorry
I forgot to mention that for some reason the non A is cheaper than then A here in Australia ;)

[skate2snow]

I posted a thread about the 3500 as well, I got an email from Kingston stating that "some" of the 3500 actually is shipped with BH5 as well!! :confused: [/B][/QUOTE] are you shure :confused: becose the BH5 is older but it can continu to do some becose its good but its still strange. i whil try to contact Kingston??

[skate2snow]

oh and is mushkin always do some BH5 in there /\/\II????

[Hell-Fire]

Thats what the email I received stated, however for all we know the person who responded had no clue and just made something up..lol. :hehe:

For the most part I am with everyone else in saying that any newer sticks are definitely CH5.

[skate2snow]

but just why BH5 is better then CH5 and CH5 is newer???? I was thinking the tech goes forward ans not backward.

[Hell-Fire]

I would agree with you there skate2snow. I am not truly up to speed on why the switch to CH5 vs BH5. Maybe someone with more incite on this matter will contribute to this thread.

I do know that one main difference between the 2 is the voltage needed and the money aspect. The CH5 is cheaper than BH5, not that the savings is passed to the customer mind you....

I think I lucked out and found a pair of 512 HyperX 3500 sticks today that are indeed BH5. WooHoo!!

[drunkenmaster]

because ch-5 is just slightly less good its also cheaper to make. Bh-5 was just not needed to be in production as it cost more to make, lower overheads, and 99% pf people buying ddr400 don't care what the timings are and don't know what timings are. Being able to do cas 2,2,2, 5 in a prebuilt rig is not neccessary and just adds to cost.

[skate2snow]

ok and i just think that. Probably becose the voltage, if the voltage is higher more heat, more heat=slower.

[skate2snow]

but for oc'er its not good becose whe raise the voltage for oc'ing. But Kingston should continu to do some for oc'er it whould be a good deal

[drunkenmaster]

they can't continue, the bh and ch-5 chips are made by winbond, who stopped production of bh-5 some time ago now. THere was always rumours of 4ns rated bh-4 being made, but thats almost never gonna happen. cos ddr2 may aswell be their next new thing. Very few people need ram that can do 500-600mhz with that tight timings when most people will be moving very shortly to ddr2 600mhz anyway, and cos of cost of high end sticks most would be very unwilling to spend £300 on a gig of ram that will ahve to be replaced when they upgrade to new mobo.

DDr2 will bring some nice speed, indirectly will give us good overclocking, jsut because on so many boards with 3,3v line being used for ram voltage, getting to 3.2v is hard and above impossible on most boards. With the drop to 1.8v or whatever, vdimm mods will give us whatever we wanna risk \o/

PS, it looks like kingston are almost out of bh-5, according to a uk shop they will get very little in as kingston contact says there is very little left and recommends buy what you can right now.

Remember OCZ guy says they could only get enough to let them make the OCZ bh-5 until x-mas. i wouldn't bet that mushkins stock will last them long at all. Its bad though, i want some buffalo pc3700 from newegg badly, but no international shipping, and as far as i can tell, no way to get them to del it to my rents hotel, they are visiting there for 10 days as of today :( sucks, they are £66 a stick, cheapest sticks with similar ram are £115 here. so its just a touch cheaper stateside. Well i can't get it, i suggest you guys go buy it all asap.

[mikem]

I just ordered 2 512 sticks of hyperx pc3000 with the tight timings from newegg....I will have them on friday and let you know if they have bh-5 in them or not.

[Hell-Fire]

Look, I agree with jsut about everyones point of view on this thread....we all have a fair right to our opinion, but the main thing to think about here is that yes, CH5 is cheaper, and Winbond bailed on the BH5 standard...but thats not the real topic here.

Kingston is marketing the HyperX line toward hte gamer and overclocker. What good is spending that kind of dough if it runs crap timings at its stock speed? Cripes, you can get some generic ddr that will run slower, but with better timings that will outperform a fast stick with poor timings....do you see what I mean. If you gonna advertise its for insane gaming and actually have the damned box making a statement from an overclocking website that it overclocks like crazy even under high stress and voltage, then it better perform up to that statement.

[WinXP]

I agree with you Hëll ‡ Fîrë. If it does not run like it is suppose to I send it back to them for some that will. Hyperx PC3200 non A, I bought run fine straight out of the box (012.A02 2.6v). The HyperX PC3500 (012.A00 2.5v) was trash, at 205 stable above this all kinds of errors in win 2000 an reboots. They sent me (024.A01 2.6v) runs fine at 225fsb. If they sell me memory that will not at least run to spec, someone getting it back.

[Hell-Fire]

Originally posted by WinXP
I agree with you Hëll ‡ Fîrë. If it does not run like it is suppose to I send it back to them for some that will. Hyperx PC3200 non A, I bought run fine straight out of the box (012.A02 2.6v). The HyperX PC3500 (012.A00 2.5v) was trash, at 205 stable above this all kinds of errors in win 2000 an reboots. They sent me (024.A01 2.6v) runs fine at 225fsb. If they sell me memory that will not at least run to spec, someone getting it back.

Your post pretty much seals it for me that the voltage rating is indeed the marker that idents whether the ICs are BH5 or CH5. We both had the same prob with sticks that were rated 2.5v, and sent em back...my new ones, that are actually old revisions A00, now run 225 right out of the box, and will most likely do more after a burn in.

[Cole]

Just to add two things I read in reviews from AnandTech:
Mushkin uses Winbond BH5 chips in PC3500 Level II. BH5 is an almost legendary memory chip that has recently been discontinued, but Mushkin assures us they have sufficient stock to continue manufacture of Level II modules for many months.
Source:
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=1853&p=6
OCZ tells us that this new memory is also based on Winbond BH5 chips, and it appears Winbond has begun manufacturing these chips again, since there was so much demand for them.
Source:
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=1914

[Hell-Fire]

Well, that would make things rather interesting if Winbond went back to the BH5 chips.

AnandTech is typically a site you can trust when it comes to their reviews and articles. I would love to see the BH5 make a return trip.

[skate2snow]

so if it comes back i should whait one week or two so they whil be lower price :D. its good becose im broke...lol

[skate2snow]

ive just find an article that is talking about kingston but they talking about BH5 and CH5 to is this one http://www.metku.net/index.html?sect=view&n=0&path=reviews/hyperx_pc3500/index_eng

[skate2snow]

in that article it seems that PC3500 can be BH5 so its good its just what i am looking for :D:D

[Cole]

Wow skate2snow that article is interesting and I see it is dated 27.10.2003 as well. I originally bought my HyperX 3500 based on a review I read because they said it could do 2-2-2-5 with some overclocking. Turned out the review was from March month. Boy was I surprised. But that was long before I even knew what BH5/CH5 was all about. It just goes to show you always gotta do your homework before buying anything!

[Hell-Fire]

Cole, if you get poor performance outta your 3500....send it back RMA and chances are you may get your grubby little hands on some 3500 that is BH5 as I just did.

The ddr gods showed me some love this time.

[althes]

Well lets hope we can all find some 3500 bh5.:D

[skate2snow]

but becose the big demands BH5 return to factory but CH5 is still doing some so it will be rare to have the one we whant if its not marked so thats bad

[Cole]

Originally posted by Hëll ‡ Fîrë
Cole, if you get poor performance outta your 3500....send it back RMA and chances are you may get your grubby little hands on some 3500 that is BH5 as I just did.

The ddr gods showed me some love this time.

He he ... I don't know if they'll go for that as it does work well at their rated timings of 2-2-3-6. But it doesn't bother me anyway as I since got Mushkin PC3500 L2 Black Winbond Bh5 2-2-2-6 @ 217 FSB :D
I'll stick the HyperX on my second rig with Abit AN7 when I get it and juice those babies up and see what happens then :p:

[skate2snow]

if you whant to know check your voltage CH5=2.6v BH5=2.5v

[texuspete00]

Alright, I've been board limited for awhile on my abit NF7-S v1.2 @208 fsb @1.9vdd. I have Hyper X 3500 A00 2.5v sticks here. I bought them quite a long a$$ time ago. My an7 is coming soon specifically as I feel I spent the cash on these sticks, I want to use the to there potential!. I keep hearing the voltage ID both ways.... 2.5 is BH5, no 2.6 is BH5 - it loves volts! I run 2-2-2-11 but big sh1t @ 208 @ 2.8v+ some OV

What I got man :(

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by skate2snow
if you whant to know check your voltage CH5=2.6v BH5=2.5v
We have already been over this before. That isn't a good indicator to determine the two.

Mine are the other way around - CH5 = 2.5v, BH5 = 2.6v.

[skate2snow]

but in a article it was saying thats was BH5=2.5v and CH5=2.6v. I but it makes sense becose its newer and the new technologies is more demanding on the voltage. but thats only whats ive read

[skate2snow]

i think thats becose the burst lenght or something like that is higher on the CH5

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by skate2snow
but in a article it was saying thats was BH5=2.5v and CH5=2.6v. I but it makes sense becose its newer and the new technologies is more demanding on the voltage. but thats only whats ive read
No actually as technology is progressing we are increasing speeds with less voltage.

[skate2snow]

ok but did you read the article ive post in the previous page

[Evil_Spork]

less voltage, more wattage/amps

[Hell-Fire]

omg....Fire is felling a little goofy at the moment.

I finally decided to take the spreaders off the 4 sticks of 3500 HyperX to see what chips are in em. The good thing about this is that 2 sticks are rated at 2.5v and the other 2 are rated at 2.6 v. Here are the results:

Revision A02 sticks are rated 2.5v and are indeed BH5

Revision A00 sticks are rated 2.6v and are CH5

This perplexed me abit as to why a newer revision of the stick would have the BH5 chips in em seeing as BH5 is a rare bird these days.

Worst thing for me is that the CH5 overclocked far better than the BH5 sticks did so they are heading back to Kingston. Bye bye BH5 sticks, I wish you would have lived up to your reputation.

Whats even more interesting is that the CH5 actually requires more voltage than the BH5 to hit the rated speeds and timings. I thought it was the other way around according to most people.

Maybe the voltage is a good marker after all as to what the sticks have in em. As my findings match up to what most people are saying. Although I had it backwards at first...lol. Blushes boldly.

Hey atleast I had the balls to rip off them spreaders to see whats what and then admit my mistake....anyone want these BH5s..

Ive got all 4 sticks until Monday, so I will certainly test the hell out of em before I send back the BH5. Maybe my mobo just doenst like BH5, cause I have had 4 different sticks in this thing before I got this CH5 that just flat out kicks the BH5 in the sack.

[Evil_Spork]

the same theory applies to my ram, rated at 2.6 and ch5.

i beleave it uses week 31 CH5 chips.
my old ram pics are on here somewhere.. ill try to dig them up later, no one has been able to ID my old chips.




OLD RAM STICK NUMBER ONE: (oldest stick)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=243574

OLD RAM STICK NUMBER TWO: (newer stick)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=244515



this is my current CH-5 ram.

[skate2snow]

Originally posted by Hëll ‡ Fîrë
omg....Fire is felling a little goofy at the moment.

I finally decided to take the spreaders off the 4 sticks of 3500 HyperX to see what chips are in em. The good thing about this is that 2 sticks are rated at 2.5v and the other 2 are rated at 2.6 v. Here are the results:

Revision A02 sticks are rated 2.5v and are indeed BH5

Revision A00 sticks are rated 2.6v and are CH5

This perplexed me abit as to why a newer revision of the stick would have the BH5 chips in em seeing as BH5 is a rare bird these days.

Worst thing for me is that the CH5 overclocked far better than the BH5 sticks did so they are heading back to Kingston. Bye bye BH5 sticks, I wish you would have lived up to your reputation.

Whats even more interesting is that the CH5 actually requires more voltage than the BH5 to hit the rated speeds and timings. I thought it was the other way around according to most people.

Maybe the voltage is a good marker after all as to what the sticks have in em. As my findings match up to what most people are saying. Although I had it backwards at first...lol. Blushes boldly.

Hey atleast I had the balls to rip off them spreaders to see whats what and then admit my mistake....anyone want these BH5s..

Ive got all 4 sticks until Monday, so I will certainly test the hell out of em before I send back the BH5. Maybe my mobo just doenst like BH5, cause I have had 4 different sticks in this thing before I got this CH5 that just flat out kicks the BH5 in the sack. so i only have to command some RAMs and it whould not very botter me becose CH5 have more oc'ing and BH5 more Performance. Can i take it like that???

[kromosto]

bh5s are something like 6000cc cars if you give them enough fuel or volts you can go as far as you can go with high speed when i give mine 3.2 volts they dont even get warm they stay cold as system is not running so i think 3.5 - 3.7 volts wont be any problem for this chips but main problem is who wants to raise its 3.3 channel to 3.6 - 3.9 volts i think a very few xtreme hard and very hard oc ers do that but beside that i can run my khx3500 with bh5 at 500mhz 2-2-3-5 with 3.23 volts (readed from mosfet) and 490mhz 2-2-2-5 at the same volt and thats enough for me :)

[skate2snow]

congrat

[skate2snow]

its a very good oc

[st0nedpenguin]

There's no point in trying to use the voltage rating to determine the RAM chips, as Soulburner said.

Different manufacturers rate RAM for different voltages, to cover problems with certain chipsets, and probably lots of other reasons we don't know about.

The voltage rating isn't the be all and end all...

[skate2snow]

ya i agree.

[Hell-Fire]

Originally posted by skate2snow
so i only have to command some RAMs and it whould not very botter me becose CH5 have more oc'ing and BH5 more Performance. Can i take it like that???

I dont follow what you just said bud.

[Hell-Fire]

Originally posted by st0nedpenguin
There's no point in trying to use the voltage rating to determine the RAM chips, as Soulburner said.

Different manufacturers rate RAM for different voltages, to cover problems with certain chipsets, and probably lots of other reasons we don't know about.

The voltage rating isn't the be all and end all...

I think I just learned that the very ahrd way Penguin. I am sitting at 230fsb @ 2-2-2-6 timings. Maybe I can go higher with either an adjustment in timings or by doing the Vdd mod for my board.

Anyone know whats the safest max voltage to run thru the 3.3v rail? I am at 3.75 ... or close to that.

[Technik]

I just got some KHX3200 non A from AccuPC since Newegg was out of stock recently and they say 2.6v. So I must have BH-5? They wouldn't even do 2-2-2-6 218 until a week of burning in. How high do they usually go with 2.9v?

[Cole]

Originally posted by skate2snow
hey

I whant to buy some new RAMs but im broke and i whant to no what would you take and if mushkin PC3500 BH5 and kingston HyperX PC3500 have a big difference??? And if Kingston HyperX PcC3500 have BH5 chip???

Well I think it is safe to answer this one as follows now:
If you want to be 100% sure your getting Winbond BH5 chips then get the Mushkin L2 Black PC3500.
Because if you get the HyperX you might get CH5 or BH5.

Mushkin it is then ? :banana:

[WinXP]

Technik
The 2-256meg stick HyperX PC3200 non A (012.A02-2.6v), I recieved from Kingston ran 230fsb straight into a computer set running 2-2-2-11 at 2.93v. Tried the max an hit 238fsb. But have been running 230fsb for about 2weeks now without a hiccup.

[Evil_Spork]

example of khx3200 = bh5 :)

[skate2snow]

Originally posted by Hëll ‡ Fîrë
I dont follow what you just said bud. its becose CH5 have more oc'ing capacity and BH5 more performance but a little bit less oc'ing so if i have some CH5 is still good becose i can oc more so it come to the same performance at the end.

[Technik]

I'm gonna lower my muti and see how high these things can go and post back here.

[Hell-Fire]

Originally posted by skate2snow
its becose CH5 have more oc'ing capacity and BH5 more performance but a little bit less oc'ing so if i have some CH5 is still good becose i can oc more so it come to the same performance at the end.

LOL>

I understand what that means bro, easy enough, but I couldnt make heads nor tails of what you said before. English isnt your native tongue is it...?

To get the same performance outta a higher ocin stick with poorer timings than a slower stick with tighter timings, you are gonna have to get quite a few more mhz out of them I think. The tight timings really improve performance. Depends on just how far up tha ladder you have to mover the timings to get the fsb you are looking for. If you have to start moving Cas to Ras way up and CL up as well...not sure you will benefit from an increased fsb.

[Soulburner]

In my benching experience, dropping RAS to CAS from 2 to 3 takes about 6-8FSB on my rig to make back up. That's 72-96Mhz on the CPU and 4.8-6.4Mhz on the RAM worth of performance that you lose.

[mikedick6969]

This is supposed to be BH-5 also:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?description=20-146-961

Theres a review on there too I found interesting.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by mikedick6969
This is supposed to be BH-5 also:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?description=20-146-961

Theres a review on there too I found interesting.
Yup that's BH-5.

[mikedick6969]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Yup that's BH-5.

Just ordered tonight. Hope its great!!:D

[skate2snow]

Originally posted by Hëll ‡ Fîrë
LOL>

I understand what that means bro, easy enough, but I couldnt make heads nor tails of what you said before. English isnt your native tongue is it...?

To get the same performance outta a higher ocin stick with poorer timings than a slower stick with tighter timings, you are gonna have to get quite a few more mhz out of them I think. The tight timings really improve performance. Depends on just how far up tha ladder you have to mover the timings to get the fsb you are looking for. If you have to start moving Cas to Ras way up and CL up as well...not sure you will benefit from an increased fsb. no its like the first time i am speaking enlish.

BTW:mickDike i think its dont some BH5 becose its 2-2-3-6 ;)

[mat3003]

What latency have the KHX 3500 with BH5 ?

I see the KHX3500 with 2-2-2-6
512 MB

[skate2snow]

ALL BH5 are 2-2-2-5, thats why they are "best"

[PGgagne]

PC3000 are BH5/6 right 2-2-2-6/5

[skate2snow]

yup, they are GARANTEE to run 2-2-2-X

[PGgagne]

sweet