Charlie went 7 places up!

[GJ]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7231235

he went 7 places up,oh yeah :D

[FUGGER]

Nice 1 Charlie, packing XS up at the top.

[gabbax]

Congrats! :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

wow nice score for an athlon fx. an athlon 64 would be even faster due to better ram and higher fsb but you have the top score for an athlon fx :banana:

[CCW]

WTG Charlie! :toast:

[AcEmAsTr]

WTG mate, #1 next!

[zakelwe]

Nice !

Xtreme splattered across the whole of the top page now.

Regards

Andy

[charlie]

thanks guys.
I'd really like to lay down a real big score for the team... but I'm not sure how much higher I can go without some changes. Judging by my last run (crashed Nature) I can hit 28,000 at 567/440. But even with 575-590 I don't think it'll hit 29K+. I need some help from my team-m8's here....
I really need to get rid of the cat 3.8's and force the old cat 3.1's. I've read the thread by Opp in "3Dteam" about "forcing old drivers" but still can't figure it out. I'm a little dense. Plus I need some more Win2K optimizations and tweaks. I'm just setting AGP FW to disabled, sliders to left, Perf set to apps, 16bit color, 800 x 600, setting 3dmk to real time...
The black viper tweaks just made my rig crash, and the reg tweaks in that old Mackanz thread don't work w/A64.
Any ideas? I've heard peeps talk about turning off monitor??? Why?? I deffo need some Nature tips because at 20 3dmarks per fps I need 190ish...
thanks for all the help. guys!!!!!

C

[charlie]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
wow nice score for an athlon fx. an athlon 64 would be even faster due to better ram and higher fsb but you have the top score for an athlon fx :banana:

lol...
why?
did you know the FX has better mem bandwidth at 200mHz than a 3200+ at 260????

C

[Geforce4ti4200]

actually no, but most guys are using the athlon 64 and those with the fx score lower though. It may be other things bottlenecking the athlon fx besides the ram. as for 190fps nature, youd need like 610/450 clocks or something. are you saying something about 800x600 run? defalt res should be 1024x768


"16bit color, 800 x 600, setting 3dmk to real time..."

[GJ]

there is maybe something with the monitor thing.cause i heard that bigger monitors perform better than smaller ones.but i think all this is just some lie

[charlie]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
actually no, but most guys are using the athlon 64 and those with the fx score lower though. It may be other things bottlenecking the athlon fx besides the ram. as for 190fps nature, youd need like 610/450 clocks or something. are you saying something about 800x600 run? defalt res should be 1024x768


"16bit color, 800 x 600, setting 3dmk to real time..."

GF,
This just "bench speak" for having your desktop set up as 16bit color and 800 x 640 resolution :stick:
And noone has seen a FX-51 with the same parameters as the top A64... yet :D

C

[Geforce4ti4200]

"This just "bench speak" for having your desktop set up as 16bit color and 800 x 640 resolution"


dont you mean 800x600? :D


"there is maybe something with the monitor thing.cause i heard that bigger monitors perform better than smaller ones.but i think all this is just some lie"


its a lie for sure or all the hardcore gamers would have at least 30 inch monitors :D


"And noone has seen a FX-51 with the same parameters as the top A64... yet"


maybe when the san diago chip comes out, if it can use normal ram like the a64 then itll own. when 30k is broken, im pretty sure an a64 will be behind it, probably an xp3400+ at 3GHz :)

[toymaker]

Quite impressive, Especially with the notorious SK8N:thumbsup:. I'd love to see what your setup would do with a really good 9800XT.

[pik-ard v1.1]

wow... another nice jump, not a placement jump... but now he's at 27869 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7235225)

[Geforce4ti4200]

wow nice jump! I did notice he is still behind oppainter even though his athlon FX is faster in clock speed to opp's athlon 64, the slow ram used by the athlon FX holds it back

[pik-ard v1.1]

i think its the clock speeds of his 9800XT that are hurting him the most...

[charlie]

565/439

Benching is down...
condensation got to the 9800XT??? Must disassemble and dry with hairdryer and reassemble...

And Geforce.... the memory system of the FX chip has nothing to do with the reason I'm behind Opp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The FX doesn't NEED high FSB to make BIG memory bandwidth!!!!!!!!! PLUS those guys are running the DDR @ 5:4 and I'm at 1:1...

C

[pik-ard v1.1]

yep... its the XT clocks... :(

charlie, is that the highest the XT will go for ya? or have you not tried everything ya can on it yet?

[charlie]

Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
yep... its the XT clocks... :(

charlie, is that the highest the XT will go for ya? or have you not tried everything ya can on it yet?

Well before the benching was interrupted...I was testing at 571/440 and it was going well but took 2.02V... that's about the time when the 9800XT took a sh*t! Hope it wasn't the card saying bye-bye!!!!
C

edit:
After disassembly and blow-drying it still won't start up....I put in my 9700Pro and it works fine :rolleyes:
Do I get a prize for being the first to cook a 9800XT??? :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

I can see you are around oppainter's score in nature but behind in lobby. I am confused. if not for ram bandwith, whys the athlon fx behind the athlon 64

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
I can see you are around oppainter's score in nature but behind in lobby. I am confused. if not for ram bandwith, whys the athlon fx behind the athlon 64

225 2-6-2-3 isnt fast enough.
And the FX uses REGISTERED memory remember...that increases access times to the memory...

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by JCviggen
225 2-6-2-3 isnt fast enough.
And the FX uses REGISTERED memory remember...that increases access times to the memory...


ECC is probly what people were thinking of :)

[JCviggen]

The ECC feature can be disabled, but youre still stuck with registered :(

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by JCviggen
The ECC feature can be disabled, but youre still stuck with registered :(

and thats not a good thing?

[JCviggen]

nope :(

[charlie]

I'd really like to know if there's ANY memory that'll do high fsb. I personally don't think so. I have ran it up to 255fsb using 5:4 and 2.5xLDT, but it actually hurt performance. My only chance is to hit my PEAK OC 3D benchable, maybe 2900mHz and hit MAX XT clocks maybe 585/450 and hope for a lucky 29K run...
JCV,
Have you found Vmods for the SK8V?? I'm grabbing one later in the week!

C

[JCviggen]

Vcore is the same as the SK8N. same chip anyway. Vddr is tricky and not the same as SK8N

[charlie]

Well if the SK8V can hold cas2, 2,5,2 at 2.7V...it's oK then. The SK8N needs 3.20V to "sometimes" run cas2, 2,5,2. I like the fact that the SK8V is worth at least 300 3dmark's right out of the box!!

C

[JCviggen]

it has 2.8Vddr in the BIOS Charlie. Can do 222-223 at max timings with it.

I think i am going to say goodbye to benching 3Dmark...too damn frustrating...i had my system running past 3 GHz and with my previous gfx clocks I would have gotten around 29500...I put in the XT and it doesnt boot anymore...dead as dead can be.. first the crap with CPU speed variation and now this...i give up.. I got 24200 with default gfx clocks btw

[ctgilles]

Hmmm... Sounds like Murphy's Law :D
Had that too in my R9700P times man :D
Join the PCs-just-die-club :D

[QuadDamage]

JC,

sorry to hear that my man, but i'm sure you'll be back soon:D. i'm getting bored playing games with top of the line card and might shoot for 29k+ myself very soon:D

Charlie,

good work. Now, show us what this FX-51 is made of:D

[charlie]

Originally posted by JCviggen
it has 2.8Vddr in the BIOS Charlie. Can do 222-223 at max timings with it.

I think i am going to say goodbye to benching 3Dmark...too damn frustrating...i had my system running past 3 GHz and with my previous gfx clocks I would have gotten around 29500...I put in the XT and it doesnt boot anymore...dead as dead can be.. first the crap with CPU speed variation and now this...i give up.. I got 24200 with default gfx clocks btw

Yeah, it's da*n frustrating. I'm returning my XT today, in fact. The Vcore on the SK8N isn't too bad other than the fact that the IC is TINY!!! It probably took me an hour to solder it. I've ran it up to 1.94V. So 13 x 222 = 2886mHz at 2,2,5,2 on the SK8V would be REEALLL nice. I'd really like to see an Abit NF3-250 socket 940...
JCV, I was looking at your test results...HOW did you get that Car Hi and those Lobby numbers???? I know you have about 100mHz on me...is that it??? Or is it the drivers? I don't think so because I'm on the cat 3.1's now too. Maybe just the skill :D ?? O/S optimizations?? Or is it the Via K8T800 chipset???????? Tips?
thanks

C

[JCviggen]

The VIA helps a little bit but not a lot...i can tell you I run car high at 3005 MHz or so and then the rest lower than that...today i was able to run 3040...gave me around 157 car high but it was not to be...lol. I could do the other tests at 3G and a bit
I hardly tweak anything at all...just takes a bit of feeling for 3dmark (ive run the thing goddamn thousands of times) and running the only right sequence...

[MrIcee]

Originally posted by JCviggen
I think i am going to say goodbye to benching 3Dmark...too damn frustrating...i had my system running past 3 GHz and with my previous gfx clocks I would have gotten around 29500...I put in the XT and it doesnt boot anymore...dead as dead can be.. first the crap with CPU speed variation and now this...i give up.. I got 24200 with default gfx clocks btw

JC my friend:)

I hear you ten fold with that statement. I am with you as far as top end benching is concerned. I'm on my second A64 already in 4 weeks:) Don't ask me how or why, I haven't a clue but it just stopped functioning. It's become impossible at the costs of current hardware to keep updating vid cards and CPU's. The rest is the same, motherboards and ram etc stay about the same cost.

I've always been competitive on a budget but it is no longer possible. Heck...the first chiller I built and still use for vid card cooling...ole MrIcee, the R-22 beast only cost me $275 to build and modify, and it kept me on the first page for a good long time.

The lower classes are much more fun, such as the Ti4200 and soon the ATI 9600 class(9600 XT) as the cards are under $200 to purchase, as opposed to $500 for a 9800XT. Thats where I started my 3DMark career and where I'll return for my future benching.:)

Randi:D

[Geforce4ti4200]

yea I agree. mikem broke 21k the other day with his ti4800se(3dmark consideres it a ti4200 with agp 8x) so there has been a recent surge in activity. a ti4200 is like 1/5th the price of a 9800xt so if you fry it the loss isnt overwhelming. also ti4200s make less heat so you dont need such insane cooling to chill em to like minus 50c The gap is 8k marks though from ti4200 to 9800xt as far as the top score is concerned. What id like to see is someone break 15k on a ti500, I think it can be done and thatll be a milestone too :)