BIG numbers....+ Baker18 GPU Chiller

[charlie]

What a difference some good GPU cooling can make.
Using a Baker18 R22 GPU cooler @ -40C under load I've hit 26K 3dMark's with the CPU on air at 2380mHz. I also have to install the Vgpu mod, but right now it's running at 543/440 default Voltage. The individual test #'s were crazy! Many of them better than on my 27K 2800+mHz run, lol. The system tests will EASILY shoot me over 28K later tonight when I pick up some Dry Ice for the CPU.
I will post some piccies of the Baker18 GPU cooler later, but it's a killer unit. Not much bigger than a shoebox with this high tech little condensor....it's awesome. And noise....? Well the high rpm 120MM fan is the noisiest part of this chiller! And cold? Well it hits -44C on idle and never drops below -39.6 under load.
As a side note I was starting to forgive this SK8N motherboard after behaving somewhat better, but lately it has been REALLY unstable. Big numbers one minute and cr*ppy numbers the next. Will certainly try a GB k8nnxp-940 or a SK8V next week. BTW, need a few tips here...I haven't done the Vldt mod on the SK8N, is it worth it? I ALREADY run at LDT 600mhz?? AND my 43.xx PiFast was a bit disappointing. Only 100mhz less CPU speed than JCViggen, bit like 2 seconds slower...what are good tricks/tips for Pifast???? And any idea why I could run cas2, 2,5,2 the first week with the mobo, and the last 5 or 6 O/S installs I can't run it anymore?? In fact I think i was running 2,5,2 on WinXP Pro and now I'm on Win2K (thanks "E") is this a coincidence????

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[charlie]

Jason,
Yes, sir-ree you were right on about that!!! The old DI container had too little mass and crappy wildly fluctuating temps. This chiller is a model that Baker18 makes. It's really nice. If I would have known Overclocking was this EASY with phase change....It makes me think of all the OC nightmares I've been through. Let's go through the list:
Bad smell of alcohol
Chipping DI with a Hammer
Purplish burns on your skin
Alcohol spitting onto rig
TEC's !!
Using normal ice to chill TEC!!
Putting rig in window

Now I just want to invest in a Baker18 CPU chiller, too!!

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[charlie]

27,614

:D

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7231235

[Poki]

WOW Charlie, 503 drago lo... you make it look like a walk in the park now. Must be fun staring at the fsp's in the tests again:)

[Stang_Man]

very very nice charlie!

28k just around the corner :)

[Poki]

Is that a bug or are you really runnin the fsb at 200MHz right now? If it isn't a bug that dual channel is darned effcient!

[charlie]

I've got a REEAAALL nice run going at 567/439...first 6 tests completed nicely. Out of Dry Ice, so it'll be hte last run of the evening! Will Nature lock up on me??? Let's see!!!!!!
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[charlie]

yup....
:(

locked...
first 6 were:
392
141
507
276
366
170

[pik-ard v1.1]

Originally posted by charlie
27,614

:D

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7231235
27,614? looks like 27,585 to me. did you publish the wrong one? :confused: good job none-the-less. :banana:

[charlie]

Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
27,614? looks like 27,585 to me. did you publish the wrong one? :confused: good job none-the-less. :banana:

sh*t!
Yes I had 27,614 and SAVED it...reran Lobby Lo and it was 27,585. Strange... it must automatically RE-SAVE the last attempt and write OVER your first score!! Too bad! And that last run would have been about 27,910 and that's assuming ONLY a 176.0 Nature!!! I got the hang of this now, though. The key (for me) is the Vgpu. At 1.93-1.96 I just couldn't get stable at 560+ for my last couple runs I went up to 2.00V and had that last great run... will try some more 2V+ madness tommorrow!!
This Baker18 GPU chiller just laughed at my 9800XT making 560+ @ 2V, lol. It NEVER dipped lower than -39.2C at 2.00V :slobber:

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[xxORBxx]

got any pics of the chiller? I really want one, did you diy or have someone do it for you?

Cant wait to see 28k from ya :cool:

[Major]

Good going Charlie ! :toast:

[st0nedpenguin]

That new rig seems to have finally been whipped into submission, nice one mate. :D

[bowman1964]

great going bud...you should hit 28.5k with those scores you are hitting:toast:

[wimpie007]

Hmmz, people like you make me a bit dizzy :D
very nice score, squeeze out the last bits... ;)

[Banana_Boy]

damn charlie, nicely done.

its nice to finally see you getting the big numbers.

[baker18]

Originally posted by xxORBxx
got any pics of the chiller? I really want one, did you diy or have someone do it for you?



Its a custom jobber built by yours truly.......................


baker18

[charlie]

This is still a work in progress :)
I've by no means "tapped out" this rig...
But now I've eliminated the biggest bottleneck, the GPU cooling. I can't over-emphasize how nice it is to concentrate on benching and keeping the CPU container full of DI while the Baker18 GPU chiller keeps the XT like a popsicle.
Baker18, I think there's a lot of people who are under the impression that they need r404a, or whatever for good temps...so what's the deal with this R22 rig holding temps so well? I mean the difference between idle at 2.0V and full load is only like 3 degrees C...and the compressor's not THAT big?? What are you puttin' in there? :D :D

Stay tuned...

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[Garrett]

Originally posted by charlie
......reran Lobby Lo and it was 27,585......
Is it possible with 2k1 to rerun a single test and thus altering the score :confused:
(hope it's not a stupid question):D

[Edward2]

Garrett, yes you can rerun a single test and alter (improve or lower) your score. You simply select the test you want to run and then hit the "benchmark" button.

Excellent job Charlie. Definitely looks like you got the hang of it now. Keep us updated as to your progress.

[pik-ard v1.1]

yea... but re-running the test normally wont do any good for you... unless you up the gpu clocks by atleast +5/+5, in which case, you should have just had them up that hight to begin with. ;)

[charlie]

Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
yea... but re-running the test normally wont do any good for you... unless you up the gpu clocks by atleast +5/+5, in which case, you should have just had them up that hight to begin with. ;)

No.
Actually, every top 10 bencher re-runs tests...

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[pik-ard v1.1]

wow... ive seen my score go down from re-running a test, with the gpu upped every so slightly... :( it went down 4 points yes... but thats still 4 points in the wrong direction. :P

[Garrett]

Originally posted by Edward2
Garrett, yes you can rerun a single test and alter (improve or lower) your score. You simply select the test you want to run and then hit the "benchmark" button.

Excellent job Charlie. Definitely looks like you got the hang of it now. Keep us updated as to your progress.
So if I want to rerun Car Lo only then I only select that 1 test and run it?
Ok then, I'll try it, thanks for the info :) :banana:

[charlie]

After the completion of a full set of tests you will get a results screen with a score, push close, then into tests and de-select last test ran and click the one you want to re-run.After completion you will get a updated score.

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[CrashOv3r1De]

Charlie did you just get the baker block or he built the whole system for you?

[xxORBxx]

her replied to what i said above, saying that he made it himself

[charlie]

Baker18 made the unit!!!

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[xxORBxx]

LMAO im an idiot. Nice work to you too baker. I could only dream about owning a awesome cooler like you made.

[charlie]

nearly 27.9K and dead 9800XT @ 567/439. Was testing at 577/440 when she let go... @ 2.02V.
I was getting
520 Drago Lows
400 Car Lows
high 180's Nature.........
and had more left! The voltage helped (hurt) a lot!!!!

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[xxORBxx]

Oh man, thats the worst charlie. Are u sure its dead, i seen mickey 'kill' a few things and they magically come back that next day. Could be condensation or something. Well anyway, damn impressive scores and i hope ya have some better luck on the next card :D

[charlie]

Well usually when it's condensation, they'll come back a bit later. This ones been dried for an hour or so and won't start. The last thing I saw was a jumbled kaleidoscope and a rapid beep-beep-beep-beep at boot...
Next time it wouldn't even fire up.

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[baker18]

Originally posted by MickeyMouse
Im still waiting for a pic fella's ;) I love to se custom unit's....

Charlie doesnt have a digi cam and I forgot to take a picture of the unit before I gave it to him. I'll see if I can stop by this week to take a picture.

baker18

[baker18]

Charlie,

Sorry to hear about you 9800xt. Maybe the next card will give you better numbers.


baker18

[charlie]

Baker18,
Yeah, man it sucks. You know....to the credit of your unit, even at 2.02V I never saw the thing dip below -39.6C...scary!!
I will have a new XT tommorrow. I have to bench while the benching's good. As soon as Opp gets his FX/XT running I will be BURIED :D

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[charlie]

So that's it. That's where it stands for tonight!

[Major]

Ya on a roll Charlie !! :toast:

On the porch with the big dogs ! lol

[charlie]

Originally posted by Major Slaughter
Ya on a roll Charlie !! :toast:

On the porch with the big dogs ! lol

Major,
Yeah until they roll over and BITE me! I'm not sure how much THIS particular combo has left in it. Even at 600/450 would the FX/SK8N/XT combo beat Opp??? Dunno'. OTOH, the new SK8V is making 300 more 3D marks at default than SK8N. That's good :D
Will probably hunt one down this week. The voltages aren't great, though... it's supposd to be VERY similar to the K8V all you guys run...hopefully mod-able

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[charlie]

I have the NEW 9800XT.... overclocks about the same as the old one on air, like 465/421....but the difference is this one is set at 1.81V from the factory, my old one did 466/421 at 1.84V from the factory. Maybe this one passed QC a bit cleaner!

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[luihed]

Good luck and be gentle to the card this time..... like hit 600/450 gentle lol.......

[charlie]

A note of interest, my first XT had a real silver paste, kind of a dried but pasty silver substance??? This one uses a simple grey TIM pad...
Hmmmm...

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[G H Z]

Sounds even more promising then

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by charlie
A note of interest, my first XT had a real silver paste, kind of a dried but pasty silver substance??? This one uses a simple grey TIM pad...
Hmmmm...

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Sounds like even more evidence that it was used. :stick:

[cowpuppy]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Sounds like even more evidence that it was used. :stick:

Mine came with the gray TIM also.

[charlie]

so far so good, 541/441 at default voltages (no V-mods)

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[bowman1964]

Good going charlie....:D

mine does the opposite..my gpu hit 550 last night no mod,but the mem only runs 436 no mod...
did connect the gpu mod up and i stopped testing last night(or thismorning depending if you call 1.00 in the morning last night LOL)but i did get it to make muliple passes at 600 core on car low.tonight i work on the memory...

[charlie]

Cold Finger....
Gawd!!! The funniest thing i've seen all day! :thumbsup:

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[charlie]

Bowman,
So which one of us will hit 29K first?? :D

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[bowman1964]

Originally posted by charlie
Bowman,
So which one of us will hit 29K first?? :D

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Proberly you my friend:D

i am just playing while i work on a cooler for a guy.while the cooler is running and i am testing it.i take the spare time and test the xt.

the xt is running well...i just dont like the 3.1cats i am testing.it is benching almost the same as the r9800pro i have.the r9800 is not much slower with 3.5cats...

29k will not be easy to do.

did you try the cat 3.5'c with the xt yet?

i only get 3 hours a night to do all this....so i dont get very far in one night

[charlie]

Bowman,
I'm sure if you just sit down and make the run, you'll hit it first! This card is a gem! My old one took 2.02V to hit 577, this one already passed that at 1.93V. Also I have both GPU Vmods now and am running 2.92V to the memory. I'll bench later, but have to work now :(
I haven't used 3.5's but my 3.1's outperform 3.7, 3.8, 3.9.

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[wierdAl]

one comment on all of this... you guy really know what you are doing...

and charlie... change you sign.... "Powerful you've become, Charlie. I sense the dark side in you"....the dark side has left...

intel is still the dark side... right? :)

[charlie]

'pends on who you ask :D

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[bowman1964]

charlie...gots lots of more to do before i will get a chance to hit 29k.for one i have to add a heater to my cooler(and i know that will make everyone say what LOL)but adding heat drops my temps....long story,,
but i have a stable -52C idle and -47C load temp (Baker Blocks)on both cpu and gpu .but even then i can only bench for a couple hours before i need to shut down,dry the board out,and start again.small price to pay to keep it cold and fast.

good luck bud...give me a yell if you need anything..and thanks for the gpu mod..

[charlie]

You're welcome Bowman!
I'm goofing off a little bit testing the 9800XT (chilled of course) with the CPU on air. Can't seem to get any good Car Low runs... bad luck I guess. But I'm confident around 575/450 @ 1.99V. I've gotten some runs off at 591 @ 2.04V but couldn't complete more than 2 or 3 tests.
??
At 591, Car Low is going so da*n fast that at the first curve the truck spins 2 360's and rolls skidding on it's roof.
And Drago Low, when the Dragon spits fire on the flying dude... the dude just explodes.... fun! :D
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[bowman1964]

Originally posted by charlie
You're welcome Bowman!
I'm goofing off a little bit testing the 9800XT (chilled of course) with the CPU on air. Can't seem to get any good Car Low runs... bad luck I guess. But I'm confident around 575/450 @ 1.99V. I've gotten some runs off at 591 @ 2.04V but couldn't complete more than 2 or 3 tests.
??
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speaking of that,did you notice car low dropped by going to cat 3.1 from 3.5,,on 3.5s i could get a good run 1 out of 7 or 8 trys,with these cat 3.1's i cannt seam to get lucky at all...and i dont see the barrel much and still no good score....mind you i have only spent at the most 1 and half hours on the xt but seams harder than normal to get a good run.i can jump the first dip and hit 464 fps 20 more than i normally do.but hit the curve 20 frames slower than my 9800 with 3.5cats

[charlie]

I hit first dip at 468, but the best two that i've managed today was a 398 and a 393.

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[bowman1964]

Originally posted by charlie
I hit first dip at 468, but the best two that i've managed today was a 398 and a 393.

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when i hit the dip at 464 i only scored a 363 in the test....i hate the car bug...LOL:D

[charlie]

Yeah,
me too. it's so frustrating! Especially when you're using Dry Ice and it's time critical! I had a partial run that was
398
141
516
281
376
171
and crashed in Nature...:(

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[charlie]

This is probably all she's got....
585 @ 2.08V
FX-51 @ 2400mHz on air. Not a real focused run, just pushed the button.

[pik-ard v1.1]

well lets she what she's got at 2.8ghz. ;)

[charlie]

Or a little different, run 2 at 582, lousy Nature, better Drago, Car bug. On air, again.

[Soulburner]

188, seeing some BIG Nature numbers there. That should put you in 28.5-29k territory with some decent CPU clocks.

[mongoled]

We all waitin for ya to pop the big numbers Charlie,

Go go go go

mongoled

:bounces:

[charlie]

After work I'll grab more dry ice.... sigh....
Then we'll see what she can do. Now I know it'll be 585ish at 2.08V, 450ish at 2.94V. And I KNOW from previous testing I can bench 3D at 13 x 218 = 2834 cas 2, 2,5,2. I'll go to the edge and try 2900+ after some solid benching at 2834.
NOW finally I can bench! I know the limits and I can concentrate on running Car Low 40 times (lol) tweaking my o/s (yes there's still a few things I haven't done yet) and concentrating on 1 configuration.
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[jagare]

Originally posted by charlie
Baker18,
Yeah, man it sucks. You know....to the credit of your unit, even at 2.02V I never saw the thing dip below -39.6C...scary!!
I will have a new XT tommorrow. I have to bench while the benching's good. As soon as Opp gets his FX/XT running I will be BURIED :D

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You will have another XT tomorrow? Jesus, where do you get your hardware?! I wish I could kill a 9800 XT and say oh well I'll have another tomorrow.. lol. :)

[mongoled]

After work???

Does that mean im gonna wake up tomorrow to find a score from ya. Its 23:00 hrs here in the UK

mongoled

[charlie]

28.2K

[saaya]

Originally posted by charlie

At 591, Car Low is going so da*n fast that at the first curve the truck spins 2 360's and rolls skidding on it's roof.
And Drago Low, when the Dragon spits fire on the flying dude... the dude just explodes.... fun! :D
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:D

[bigZ]

nice scores charlie :cool:

[Hallowed]

Originally posted by charlie
28.2K

Wheres the compare?

[QuadDamage]

not trying to be rude charlie, but jason's right. You are certainly missing something in the bios or/and you need a fresh win2k install. your system scores are like 10fps+ at least higher than mine and you are matching my video card clocks and that should give you around 29k i think if not more.

[QuadDamage]

i'm telling you it's possible jason. he's over well over 100mhz above fastest AMD benching setup and he has dual channel advantage. he doesn't have neccessary video clockspeed but he's getting there. also, he needs to drop the multi to 12.5x and crank the fsb up to 225. i know his ram can do that since i tested these Corsair sticks already at 230fsb 1:1 at 2.7v.
if i were him i would make sure his chiller makes good contact with core or return that card. according to Hiway, runmc these XT's do 580mhz core easy, look at OPP's and FUUGER's clocks.
He has to force older cats too.

[Hallowed]

Are either of you two going to get moving on your FX rigs? :rolleyes:

;)

[STEvil]

charlie - tried monitoring your GPU Voltage during the entire run?

What is your 5v and does it dip or sway during the run?

[charlie]

Thanks for all the tips guys...
First...that was my ONLY run! I didn't re-run Car Low until a good one, I just ran the benchie. Also I think the NF3 chipset is just slow on the FX-51. The K8T800 does 300 more 3dmarks at default! All of JCV's results are on SK8V.
But I'm all ears :D
Give suggestions, please!!! 28.2K run was 13 x 218 and Quad, the Corsair won't go more than 221 at 2,5,2 even at 3.25V. That run was 581/438, and wasn't a particularly lucky run...
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7241647
BIOS? I dunno', give me tips. I use
agp FW disabled, sound, USB, RAID all disabled. agp ap size 128. In control panel, FW "off", disable windows effects, some reg tweaks, it's a 3 day old win2K install... cat 3.1's....
I tried to make a better run and got
405
142
521
and crashed Drag Hi...

Also if my 28.2 run had the same 188 score as my air test, it would have been 28.5K.... I just need to run a bunch of repetitions! I have some DI left and will start again now!!!!
If you take all of my best "individual scores" from the last two days I'd have 29K...
Maybe I'll install back to 3.9's??

Be patient my friends... I will bring back a big fish :D

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[charlie]

On the move again :D
thanks QUAD,
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7248750
28,773

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by QuadDamage
i'm telling you it's possible jason. he's over well over 100mhz above fastest AMD benching setup and he has dual channel advantage.

I wouldnt say that...

http://users.pandora.be/JCviggen/2996.JPG

default rad clocks.

My 29.250 was done at 607/445 but my car high was around 155 and lobby high was 180 for that, he needs to increase gfx clocks to go significantly higher than this...

[charlie]

WOW! JC,
With those kind of CPU clocks I can't imagine what kind of 600/450 scores you'd get...

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[JCviggen]

29.5K +/- but i cant get even close to 600/450 :(


Any chance you can increase your graphics clocks? or higher FSB with Vddr++?

[charlie]

That run was 600/447 @ 2.11V. I'm out of DI now, so Fugger and Opp can go back to sleep (:D) But seriously, I'm testing Vid card at 610/460 now that I've increased Voltage to 2.20V and 3.00V.
Maybe tommorrow I can gain 500 pts. I also can get some more pts. out of repetition and fine tuning.

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[FUGGER]

Just watch out for nature bugging with that memory clock.

[STEvil]

Go for 607/450+ @ 2.18v/3.25v+

You've got tons of room left in your ram if you're only at 3.0v 8-)

[JCviggen]

the ram on the XT I had didnt care for voltage at all. wether it was at 2.70V or 3.30V the OC was exactly the same

[QuadDamage]

what did i say viggen?

he doesn't have neccessary video clockspeed but he's getting there.

you're always comparing top cpu clocks with some air cooled raddy which bottlenecks the cpu/ram big time. i said he needs his cpu clocks+600/440 or something like that.

hopefully with few tips from me he'll break 29k sooner or later. he would've done so already but he can't bench continously for more that few hours as he runs out of DI...

[JCviggen]

I benched 607/445 to get 29.247 3D marks, but that was at slightly lower CPU speed - 2970 and 3Dmark reported it wrong which makes that i cant publish it :(
Thats why i compared Charlies to a stock run i did

[QuadDamage]

i see.

you should've knock the fsb down by 1 or even 2mhz maybe? Hoping you'll be able to re-bench and publish your 29k+ score,

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by QuadDamage
i see.

you should've knock the fsb down by 1 or even 2mhz maybe? Hoping you'll be able to re-bench and publish your 29k+ score,

there was no instability problem, i was just too lazy to change the BIOS multi to 13.5x so I booted at 13x and changed in windows to 13.5.
3Dmark did not see this change and reported 2860 MHz instead of 2980. That gave me the CPU speed variation crap...not the FSB or timings
I cant re-run it because i dont have the card that does it anymore.
Sucks eh :(

[QuadDamage]

heck that really sucks my man...

[bowman1964]

JCviggen
when i get to test out my stuff this weekend to see the damage i will end up having...IF my cpu is toast..i will be out for a while....i cannt afford to dump another $1000 into a replacement setup.

so i will be glad to ship you my r9800xt to bench on.it was up to 600,451 the last bench i had..has about 3 hours on it.
as long as i get it back when you are finished...
i dont mind helping a man out when he has so much potental with his FX chip.

i will know by sat night how hard i burned up my system.

[baker18]

Great job there Charlie. Time to get you a cpu cooler so you can keep benching for hours........................


baker18

[charlie]

thanks again guys...
That 28.7 was actually my second run of the evening. It's a strange thing. I noticed something happens during a test, the first test will be so artifacted and "barely" pass, but the 3rd or 4th individual test will be clear. And Nature, even at 188 I have few artifacts. The system tests??? I just don't know! I've tried 4 different driver combo's, different ram timings and nothing! I can't BUY a Car Low of 145+. Getting a bit nervous about the 9800XT...has anyone put more voltage into one than 2.20V/3.00V? But my last testing at 610 looked clean. Just to share, here's come of the high individual runs I had that failed to complete because another test crashed.
Car Low 413
Car Hi 145
Drago Low 531
Drago Hi 288
Lobby Low 382
Lobby Hi 176
Nature 188
Take my best individual scores and combine them for an immaculate run and that's 29,200.
Just don't understand why I can't run higher than 2860, though. If JCV get's Bowman's XT, he WILL make 30K... I have NO doubt.

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[charlie]

Originally posted by baker18
Great job there Charlie. Time to get you a cpu cooler so you can keep benching for hours........................


baker18

If it works anywhere near as well as your GPU cooler, I'll have a LOT more scores to publish :D

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[charlie]

Mmmmmm....
Fun. Just saw a 700fps "flash" in Drago Low...:D

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[Soulburner]

Originally posted by charlie
Mmmmmm....
Fun. Just saw a 700fps "flash" in Drago Low...:D

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Wow.....with such rediculous frames we get in this app now, it makes you wonder when we will move on to something else?

Hopefully there is a 3DM2004....that is WAY better than 2003 and can become a standard like 01 was. We really need something to push our systems.

[charlie]

I hope so too...I really dislike '01!!
And '03 is boring. I want like racing cars, fighting knights in armor, helicopters...

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[charlie]

OK,
Spent like 5 hours today and didn't complete ONE stinkin' run. Time to go EE.... I'm tearin the rig down soon, may try a SK8V, but then that's it!!!!

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[STEvil]

Well, one of us from XS has to make 30K before someone else does, and before the end of the year... 8-)

[Soulburner]

I say definetely try out the Via before you give up.

[Craig]

Man, chill out a bit, you're #4 on the orb and still a few thing you can try, don't give up yet. You're to close to stop now, get the other board and keep pushing.

29K can be yours, and with this chip.

[charlie]

I'll probably order SK8V on Monday, bench all week and sell kit later.

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[Tom Holck]

Originally posted by charlie
After work I'll grab more dry ice.... sigh....
. And I KNOW from previous testing I can bench 3D at 13 x 218 = 2834 cas 2, 2,5,2. I'll go to the edge and try 2900+ after some solid benching at 2834.
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I finaly got my FX-51 rig. Difficult to get the Corsair and SK8V in Denmark.:rolleyes:

Now. there are a lot of ram-cas settings there
:confused:

Can you help me out.

I can bench at least 2960 at 12.5 that meens ram going 474 at auto its is 2-3-6-2 is that god??

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7254835


Pifast was 42.43 at 2977 Mhz. When my R404a cascade Prommy is cold in the start I can pass 3Ghz and bench!!

But the ram-settings??

What can you recommend. :toast:
I think it's best you keep your FX-51 and get a new Board instead of the EE:banana:

[Hallowed]

One thing to consider is that Viggen is running High-Priority / no.exe with Car High up first. So thats a big one.

However, going by other results such as JC's 153 and also comparing against some high-range A64's, the FX @ 2900+ should be well into the 140's if not higher... higher VC clocks should allow for higher peaks and might slightly affect even Car High.

Just a guess though, I dont have much time to mess around with the machine @ lab.

[charlie]

Originally posted by Tom Holck
I finaly got my FX-51 rig. Difficult to get the Corsair and SK8V in Denmark.:rolleyes:

Now. there are a lot of ram-cas settings there
:confused:

Can you help me out.

I can bench at least 2960 at 12.5 that meens ram going 474 at auto its is 2-3-6-2 is that god??

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7254835


Pifast was 42.43 at 2977 Mhz. When my R404a cascade Prommy is cold in the start I can pass 3Ghz and bench!!

But the ram-settings??

What can you recommend. :toast:
I think it's best you keep your FX-51 and get a new Board instead of the EE:banana:

Tom,
WOW! 2960+....I just WISH I could bench at 2960+.
Ram timings. Ok. You need to find the maximum speed your memory can run 2,5,2. On mine it's 221fsb. Now use the divider that best uses this number. On your rig that's 13.5. Run 13.5 x 219 = 2958, 2,5,2.

C

[charlie]

Originally posted by MickeyMouse
lmao @TOM AND CHARLIE!!

look at your system tests unlike JC that is keeping both of you from 28k for tom and 29k for you charlie..

JC has that FX51 secret looked in the safe ;)

I wish I could say first off TOM win2000+spk1 or spk2 and dx8.1 and force the older cat's 3.0-3.2's.. It looks like both or your setups unlike JC's are having issues with AGP transfer becasue PIfast is up there canceling out bandwith and cpu power so there is a AGP issues has to be.. car high has to be 145+ on your rig charlie and 150+ on yours TOM and lobby is also crippled. I would sit back and go thu agp related stuff LDT speeds and such. I for a fact would have had 100+ threads myself if I was running my fx51 allready and not been able to match JC's numbers in CPU dependant tests..

Jason,
I went over all those issues ad nauseum. The older cat's do NOT give better scores. I ran 3.1's and 3.2's and could NEVER break 400 on Car Low. My first setup was 3.1/dx8.1 and it was NOT that fast. 3.9/dx9 was faster for ME. It's quite depressing to see Tom's system scores. At his CPU speed he should be nipping at my heels...I've only seen about 141-142 on Car High, usually 138. There is some secret there...and JCV ain't talking. I run LDT at 600mHz full time. The sk8N doesn't HAVE that many options for agp or ldt, so it's not rocket science. Maybe GigaByte NF3???

C

[JCviggen]

Win2K + SP2 + cat 3.1 + ... = profit.

I dont do anything special.

cat 3.1 with 2KSP2 gives a good boost in car high and lobby low. lobby high pretty much the same.
it IS the fastest combo.

Just for those running car low first it wont make much difference, car low is the one test which loses a few FPS. Make the best of your good tests and run car high first all the way to nature at the end. Lobby scores are a tad better when you dont run car low first as well.

settings

LDT 800 MHz 16/16
2-5-2-2

[charlie]

If I had JCv's Lobby and Car HI alone....I'd be #1 AMD at 29.2K

C

[Tom Holck]

Originally posted by charlie
Tom,
WOW! 2960+....I just WISH I could bench at 2960+.
Ram timings. Ok. You need to find the maximum speed your memory can run 2,5,2. On mine it's 221fsb. Now use the divider that best uses this number. On your rig that's 13.5. Run 13.5 x 219 = 2958, 2,5,2.

C

Thanks Charlie.

I am going 237 x 12.5 at 2-3-6-2
But still 2001 no god. :confused:
JC recommend win2k sp2. I think I must try that....

[MrIcee]

Tom:)

You will see higher FPS running 2000 and SP2 rather than WinXP, in the Car and Lobby tests. XP seems to rob just enough bandwidth to cause a decent loss in those 2. Dragon and Nature tests stay relatively the same.

Randi:D

[charlie]

Tom,
I know....I can run 255, but it's NO GOOD! RUN LOWER fsb, and 2,5,2 timings...

C

[Speed_Mechanic]

RAS-to-CAS Delay has a slight rob of performance significant when you want to score highest. It's the most important to keep at 2 of the four main adjustable memory timings (CAS Latency, RAS-to-CAS, RAS Precharge, and RAS Pulse Width). Keeping the tRCD at 2 is significant enough to warrent lowering FSB and raise Multiplier, like charlie is saying.

[charlie]

And here's the long awaited pic of Baker18's custom GPU cooler

[STEvil]

Speed - that was true with the nForce 2's, but I dont think we've seen a comparrison of the differences they cause on the new AMD boards yet.