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Winchip
04-21-2009, 10:08 AM
Hi Guy's !
What do you think about the new OCZ Z-Drive SSD PCI-E 8X ?
Available in 250GB 500GB 1TB
The 500GB is anounced at max 510MB/sec read and 480MB/sec write :eek:
Prices are not for any customer :censored:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3583/3463148650_995c29ae4c_m_d.jpg
Link (http://www.sav-computer.com/les-news-f4/ocz-z-drive-ssd-pci-express-8x-t341.html)
NapalmV5
04-21-2009, 10:12 AM
i do admire their pursuit of pcie ssd.. but what controller is that now?
lowfat
04-21-2009, 10:17 AM
Meh. 4 Vertex' on a RAID card. Not impressive at all.
Tancoll
04-21-2009, 10:35 AM
Damn, that one is expensive.
Rather pay for a Fusion IO then.
Nizzen
04-21-2009, 10:44 AM
maxed out my Areca 1680ix with 5 Vertex :)
Did not help with more ssd :(
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp219/Nizzen/Almost1GBssdeverest.jpg
Any got readspeed over 1GB/s average with SSD on any controller?
IronWarrior
04-21-2009, 10:47 AM
Still think it's a big waste of a PCI-E slot, would prefer a hard drive with SAS connector.
Mechromancer
04-21-2009, 10:54 AM
maxed out my Areca 1680ix with 5 Vertex :)
Did not help with more ssd :(
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp219/Nizzen/Almost1GBssdeverest.jpg
Any got readspeed over 1GB/s average with SSD on any controller?
The IOP348 tops out a little above 1GB/s. So far there is no solution with a faster IO Processor than IOP348 based raid controllers. I think you could have done what you did with only 4 SSDs.
My next hardware RAID solution will be an Adaptec 5445 or 5805. FYI, Adaptec has firmware on the way specifically for SSDs. It will bring native support for Discard and more importantly TRIM. Areca and Highpoint don't have any plans so I'm a little pissed at my ARC-1210 atm.
Tuvok-LuR-
04-21-2009, 10:57 AM
maxed out my Areca 1680ix with 5 Vertex :)
What do you use your drives for? :shocked:
One_Hertz
04-21-2009, 11:13 AM
I don't know why people think its 4x vertex on a controller. Looking at its speeds (WAY too slow for 4x vertex) and the fact that the drives themselves do not have any cache is an indicator that its 4x JCrap on a controller. This is exactly something OCZ would pull too.
NapalmV5
04-21-2009, 11:14 AM
Still think it's a big waste of a PCI-E slot, would prefer a hard drive with SAS connector.
sas? lol once you experience pcie ssd everything else is just crap ;)
maxed out my Areca 1680ix with 5 Vertex :)
Did not help with more ssd :(
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp219/Nizzen/Almost1GBssdeverest.jpg
Any got readspeed over 1GB/s average with SSD on any controller?
nice :up: must be very fast :)
The IOP348 tops out a little above 1GB/s. So far there is no solution with a faster IO Processor than IOP348 based raid controllers. I think you could have done what you did with only 4 SSDs.
My next hardware RAID solution will be an Adaptec 5445 or 5805. FYI, Adaptec has firmware on the way specifically for SSDs. It will bring native support for Discard and more importantly TRIM. Areca and Highpoint don't have any plans so I'm a little pissed at my ARC-1210 atm.
my 5805 is waiting! just how much longer for that ssd firmware..
arecas 1231 has been supporting ssd probably since first ssd drives released
1210 is still better @ ssd than any other competitor
RyderOCZ
04-21-2009, 11:26 AM
I don't know why people think its 4x vertex on a controller. Looking at its speeds (WAY too slow for 4x vertex) and the fact that the drives themselves do not have any cache is an indicator that its 4x JCrap on a controller. This is exactly something OCZ would pull too.Yea, we are so sneaky and disgusting like that :rolleyes:
The 1TB PCI-e drive does NOT have jmicron controllers on it.
There has been no official release info as of yet either.. shown at Cebit, but nothing final, so let's not start accusations just yet, ok?
gatecrasherlok
04-21-2009, 11:43 AM
Price is on the to be desired side of things but its defintely something I would consider down the line when things come a little more mainssteam in price and so forth.
Winchip
04-21-2009, 11:44 AM
The 1TB PCI-e drive does NOT have jmicron controllers on it.
There has been no official release info as of yet either.. shown at Cebit, but nothing final, so let's not start accusations just yet, ok?
I think the official info will be ready soon, I hope tomorow.
About this news, the source seems sure and come from an OCZ partner.
I don't know why people think its 4x vertex on a controller. Looking at its speeds (WAY too slow for 4x vertex) and the fact that the drives themselves do not have any cache is an indicator that its 4x JCrap on a controller. This is exactly something OCZ would pull too.
c'mon man you know better than to say that, if we want to keep the manufacturers active in the community we can't go blindly bashing like this... If I were them I certainly wouldn't put up with this bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:.
MrToad
04-21-2009, 11:54 AM
sas? lol once you experience pcie ssd everything else is just crap ;)
Not without drawbacks of it's own, when it comes to performance, compared to DRAM based drives everything else is just crap.
Yea, we are so sneaky and disgusting like that :rolleyes:
The 1TB PCI-e drive does NOT have jmicron controllers on it.
There has been no official release info as of yet either.. shown at Cebit, but nothing final, so let's not start accusations just yet, ok?
I presume the educated guesses are right, and this is basically a RAID card with some SSDs attached (not intended to be read as a contemptuous or derogatory comment), and therefore bootable?
One_Hertz
04-21-2009, 12:39 PM
Nobody knows what is under the cover except that its a highpoint 3510 raid card. AFAIK that card has higher max read/write speeds than what is presented by OCZ so the bottleneck must be the SSDs used. If there are in fact 4 of them under there, this means that each they can only read at under 125MB/s. This is pretty slow for any newer drives, so it is either last gen or something entirely new designed by OCZ. I do not believe OCZ makes their own SSDs at this time. From last gen this leaves Samsung, JMicron, and Mtron.
So the 1TB unit has no JMicron in it, what about the 500GB and the 250GB?
RyderOCZ
04-21-2009, 12:43 PM
None of the models have Jmicron controllers.
saint-francis
04-21-2009, 12:58 PM
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My next hardware RAID solution will be an Adaptec 5445 or 5805. FYI, Adaptec has firmware on the way specifically for SSDs. It will bring native support for Discard and more importantly TRIM. Areca and Highpoint don't have any plans so I'm a little pissed at my ARC-1210 atm.
Areca is working on updating their firmware for SSD's as we speak.
I too have a 1210 and it is completely useless with my SSD's. They tell me to wait a bit for a FW update.
shoehorned
04-21-2009, 01:21 PM
Wow this thing is huge, expensive, and looks useless at the moment when are other RAID options to get better performance.
[XC] gomeler
04-21-2009, 01:22 PM
Those read/write speeds are ungodly slow for that price.. 250GB MLC SSD with 450 read and 300 write for 1400 Euros? Better off with 3x X25M and a quality RAID card. I hope that price is double what it is supposed to be.
One_Hertz
04-21-2009, 01:29 PM
I dont think those prices are correct. If my memory serves me right, at Cebit they were saying $1500USD for the 1TB model.
Nizzen
04-21-2009, 01:31 PM
Yeah! Over 1GB/s
Now I have over 1GB/s with my sasdrives and with my ssd.
Looks like Areca is the way :D
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp219/Nizzen/over1GBsAreca1680ixSSDyeah.png
NeedMoMegaHurtZ
04-21-2009, 02:36 PM
Nice throughput, Nizzen!
What did you change from the 1st to 2nd screenshot (Areca bios flash ?)
Nizzen
04-21-2009, 02:50 PM
Nice throughput, Nizzen!
What did you change from the 1st to 2nd screenshot (Areca bios flash ?)
Pci-e from 100mhz to 110 mhz :D
NapalmV5
04-21-2009, 03:21 PM
no need for higher than 100mhz pcie here :)
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/945/11364370.jpg
ILikeCosmosS
04-21-2009, 03:32 PM
sata bus is saturated even with the release of sata III it still will be if ssds continue to advance like this
i do find a waste of a pcie slot i think they should have put this into a 5.25 bay with 4-5 sata ports coming out of it
lowfat
04-21-2009, 04:02 PM
sata bus is saturated even with the release of sata III it still will be if ssds continue to advance like this
i do find a waste of a pcie slot i think they should have put this into a 5.25 bay with 4-5 sata ports coming out of it
Yup, they better have a newer revision of SATA coming soon or else all high end SSD's will need to be PCIe.
Mechromancer
04-21-2009, 04:07 PM
my 5805 is waiting! just how much longer for that ssd firmware..
arecas 1231 has been supporting ssd probably since first ssd drives released
1210 is still better @ ssd than any other competitor
Well, its coming, and we hope it's soon. The guy at Adaptec couldn't say when, but it has to be ready for Windows 7 so we can at least assume it will be before the end of the year LOL.
Areca is working on updating their firmware for SSD's as we speak.
I too have a 1210 and it is completely useless with my SSD's. They tell me to wait a bit for a FW update.
That is very good news. I will pass that along to my good friend over at OCForums. He couldn't get any info out of Areca because their half-English speaking TSRs were about as helpful as a rock. They're still better on the tech support side than Highpoint though :rofl:. The other OCF member and I will get a test done with the Adaptec 5445 as soon as the OCZ Summits arrive, and if the TRIM software is up and running by that time. Hes using these as system drives and doesn't want to have to reformat to flash his firmware on some new SSDs. His sentiments should be reflected in all of our buying decisions. If you're not a die-hard first-adopter like myself, wait for the product to mature.
Anyways, I'm happy my Areca 1210 may get a performance boost, but the weak ass 500mhz IOP333 will still hold me back. In fact it is holding back my IO performance even with these TERRIBLE JMicron Core Series SSDs I have. They aren't even reaching their full potential on this controller.
Read this review of the Highpoint 4310 over at PCPER.com for an example of what BAD firmware can do to amazing hardware: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=695
Ok back to the actual topic of this post: I will be more than happy to bet money that this new OCZ SSD uses an INDILINX controller(s). Afterall, that company seems to be the new hotness out of Korea/Cali right now. I'm amazed at what it did for the Vertex SSDs.
EDIT: All you Areca boyz that crave top performance, set your Background Task Priority to the lowest it can go (5%). According to Areca, this lets your IOP know all it has to care about is speed.
Nanometer
04-21-2009, 04:42 PM
I agree about the pci-e slot, this is a waste, this should of been in a 5.25 bay... why dont they ask what the market is first before making a product... i dont have a spair pci-e slot to give.. but im sure theres plenty that have a spare 5.25 slot.
there are more people with spare PCIe slots than you think;)
CF/SLI is <1%...
rocket733
04-22-2009, 01:09 PM
I agree about the pci-e slot, this is a waste, this should of been in a 5.25 bay... why dont they ask what the market is first before making a product... i dont have a spair pci-e slot to give.. but im sure theres plenty that have a spare 5.25 slot.
What's the point of a 5.25 slot? :shrug: The purpose of this is to get around the bottleneck that is SATAII/SATAIII, that's why it requires a pci-e.
MrToad
04-22-2009, 03:10 PM
I agree about the pci-e slot, this is a waste, this should of been in a 5.25 bay... why dont they ask what the market is first before making a product... i dont have a spair pci-e slot to give.. but im sure theres plenty that have a spare 5.25 slot.
We already have that. Is called "but an Adaptec/Areca SAS/SATA controller and add SSDs in 3 1/2 - 5 1/4 bays to your heart's content".
Indeed these controllers are not yet ready to make the most of SSD devices, but we're getting there.
This product (educated guess alert) unifies both, hopefully with a RAID controller and SSDs that are optimized to work nicely with each other, and more elegantly than just taping the SSDs to the controller with kapton tape.
Although this product is more likely to appeal to those who build CF/SLI systems than to those who buy sub-£500 desktops on PC World, these same people are also more likely to already have some flavour of dedicated RAID controller. So, they've already worked their way around the limited availability of PCI-e slots.
In other words, although this product might be aimed to fill a void that doesn't exist, we also might be talking about a problem that doesn't exist either :D
natadiem
04-30-2009, 10:29 PM
Hey everyone,
They arrived in Akihabara (Tokyo) on the 28th.
So far I know two brands doing it: OCZ and Photofast(Japan company).
The OCZ version is for PCI-e x4 while the Photofast is PCI-e x8.
Consequently the read/write claim from OCZ is 500 meg/sec while Photofast is 950meg/sec.
It seems that the OCZ version is slighlty more expensive even though slower.
Price =>
128gb 160 000 yen.
256gb 200 000 yen.
512gb 300 000 yen.
1tb 450 000 yen.
So yeah, as someone previously said, it's way more expensive than announced at Cebit.
I hope someone will buy and review this...1 gb/sec transfer. how does it look like?
I asked a seller who told me it was like plugging windows OS on a nintendo famicom...sounds great but well, that's a seller...:confused:
more info there (Japanese)=>http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/20090425/etc_ocz.html
my favorite shop in japan :up:=> http://www.oliospec.com/item_search/?rootCategoryId=&childCategoryId=&keyword=GM-PCIE&orderingColumn=&submit.x=36&submit.y=18
Voila.
570091D
05-01-2009, 01:01 AM
None of the models have Jmicron controllers.
awesome! will this be a bootable drive? i hear that's not yet possible with pci-e drives....
the little fan in the corner is cute :p:
Mad1723
05-01-2009, 04:29 AM
will this be a bootable drive?
Will it boot? That is the question! (Reference to Will it blend for those of you who didn't understand this one) :D
alfaunits
05-01-2009, 06:42 AM
There's nothing stopping boot from PCI-e, it's just the issue of driver support. And if they use HPT controller, it can boot.
awesome! will this be a bootable drive? i hear that's not yet possible with pci-e drives....
the little fan in the corner is cute :p:
Steensen
05-01-2009, 01:39 PM
Gonna be sweet when they make stuff like this mainstream.
1GB/s Read must be funny to boot XP/Vista from, something like the Youtube video with 4 I-RAM drives @Raid 0 = XP boot = Sub 7 Sec.
NapalmV5
05-01-2009, 01:47 PM
gimmie 1GB/s and ill show you 2sec xp bootup :)
heres areca 1210/2x ssd raid0 @ less than 300MB/s
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6029/bootupnq1.png
KaptainBlaZzed
05-01-2009, 09:28 PM
check this out
< 1 sec boot XP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBngouo08Qc
biohead
05-02-2009, 03:22 AM
check this out
< 1 sec boot XP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBngouo08Qc
fresh install xp on normal drives takes maybe 3 seconds lol
Shintai
05-02-2009, 03:38 AM
check this out
< 1 sec boot XP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBngouo08Qc
Its a 6-7sec boot and they removed the splash screen. Another youtube "fake".
Windows 7 boots in about 8seconds here with an Intel X25-M and Windows 7(non modified). And its CPU limited so to say due to memory allocation of the 4GB, device inits etc etc. So if you got a single SSD or 500 SSD in RAID0 makes about 0 difference in boottime.