Apple netbook confirmed? [Archive] - XtremeSystems Forums

saaya

04-20-2009, 06:21 PM

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090420PB204.html
digitimes claims they have access to detailed information about apples upcoming netbook, and that it will be manufacured by FOXCONN.
FOXCONN seems to pin high hopes on apples upcoming netbook and is so confient about its success that they think it will be the main driving force in their Q2 and Q3 netbook/notebook shippments

i wonder what its based on... a 10" mac air with atom?
nvidia ion based? would make sense since apple and nv have been tight in the past... but apple hasnt been happy lately and the 9400 would increase the power consumption and heat production quite a bit... i think its more likely that nvidia uses intels latest atom chipset with much reduced power consumption instead, they have been the first customer to use intels latest tech for quite a while...

how will it look? maybe this will be the tablet pc thing steve jobs is rumored to be working on from home while hes on sick leave?
its supposed to be like an iphone or psp but larger?

HuffPCair

04-20-2009, 06:31 PM

I wonder how much it will be over priced? I say about 2000 dollars.

tbone8ty

04-20-2009, 06:49 PM

i think techreport article said $899

basically a macbook air with an atom processor

HuffPCair

04-20-2009, 07:01 PM

i think techreport article said $899

basically a macbook air with an atom processor

Wow that is still way to high for a netbook.

tbone8ty

04-20-2009, 07:05 PM

well it would be the cheapest apple with a screen, haha

not really sure how they are gonna market this when a macbook is $999 unless its a tablet

saaya

04-20-2009, 08:37 PM

i think itll be a tablet, but even so... 899$ is too much, i think itll be more like 699$
thats more than enough headroom to make it a decent product and still cash in big like apple always does

HuffPCair

04-20-2009, 08:39 PM

i think itll be a tablet, but even so... 899$ is too much, i think itll be more like 699$

That is stilll WAY to high it should be around 400. Its just a typical netbook. O wait it has a half eaten apple on it somewhere about forgot about that. Everyone knows a half eaten apple is worth like a grand.

[XC] gomeler

04-20-2009, 08:53 PM

Above $500 and it isn't a netbook...

saaya

04-20-2009, 09:21 PM

check sonys P series... but yeah, i agree... there are propper 15" laptops for 300-400$ special offers every now and then.

hmmm do you think people would pay even more if their products would actually have a COMPLETE apple on it? :eek:
thats a genious idea... half eaten apple = +500$, full new apple = +1000$? :D

HuffPCair

04-20-2009, 09:22 PM

zanzabar

04-20-2009, 09:26 PM

any chance of using that mainboard from the in other netbooks and putting the bios out there from the mac one

Pontos

04-20-2009, 09:29 PM

The worst about all this? It will sell like hotcakes, even if it's more expensive than a Core 2 Duo + midrange Geforce 8/9 or ATI 46xx...

It's Apple, it's cool!

saaya

04-20-2009, 09:30 PM

zanzabar, i dont think so, apple is making sure its all pretty secure and tight, and whatever foxconn builds for them is built for them only... at least as far as i know...

WhiteFireDragon

04-20-2009, 09:41 PM

MSI wind is very easy to hack to use OSX

metachronos

04-20-2009, 09:52 PM

An Atom+Ion tablet apple netbook would own.

Nanometer

04-20-2009, 09:54 PM

atom+anything is crap

apple + anything is an arm and a leg.. nobody wants to pay almost a grand for a netbook.. and if you do want to, you have serious issues

GTSRboy

04-20-2009, 09:57 PM

Some think paying $500 for a video card is out of this world. Mac builds good computers thats why they cost alot..just my perspective anyway...

GAR

04-20-2009, 09:59 PM

More like above $300 shouldnt be considered a netbook, i can get a good laptop for $429, dual core, 4gb of ram, 250gb HD, 15.4 screen.

lkiller123

04-20-2009, 10:03 PM

Apple's products are all based on the design, which fails

GTSRboy

04-20-2009, 10:07 PM

Apple's products are all based on the design, which fails

So the hardware is crap? The Intel Quad cores they use are crap? the HD 4870's in the iMacss are crap? I guess you dont like Mac motherboards then? Do you also hate dell and HP motherboards?

design doesnt matter?, look at how much time guys on this site spend on looks, mudermod is a great example. I really dont see why you all hate apple so much! theres much more to hate in a crappy HP laptop that craps out on its user 6 months into operation

Sparky

04-20-2009, 10:14 PM

atom+anything is crap

apple + anything is an arm and a leg.. nobody wants to pay almost a grand for a netbook.. and if you do want to, you have serious issues

that describes the majority of apple users :D :rofl:

saaya

04-20-2009, 10:33 PM

An Atom+Ion tablet apple netbook would own.
nnnoooot exactly, wheres the heat supposed to go?
and what about battery life?

atom+anything is crap

apple + anything is an arm and a leg.. nobody wants to pay almost a grand for a netbook.. and if you do want to, you have serious issuesnetbook for a grand is stupid, but apple... i dont like their super restrictive policy, but their products quality is pretty good.. and they do have the best designed/styled products, i dont think anybody doubts that....

except for the new ipod shufle which is just... well a tiny metal can... :D

zanzabar

04-20-2009, 10:39 PM

So the hardware is crap? The Intel Quad cores they use are crap? the HD 4870's in the iMacss are crap? I guess you dont like Mac motherboards then? Do you also hate dell and HP motherboards?

design doesnt matter?, look at how much time guys on this site spend on looks, mudermod is a great example. I really dont see why you all hate apple so much! theres much more to hate in a crappy HP laptop that craps out on its user 6 months into operation

apple uses vary simmilar consonants to HP and dell (i dislike those also) but they put it an an aluminum case and charge $500 more than a windows pc for it. and i personally dislike the apples products and find a real BSD build or linux to be better and without the gaming support of windows or the freedom of linux i dont see the point, the ipod has bad sound quality and costs to much and only uses itunes, the only thing even interesting is the iphone/ipod touch but only for the jail breaking. and it wouldent be so bad but the people at the mac store are sincere on the BS that the spew that macs arnt pcs and macs do things better, macs dont break ext

also when i said that mac was changing to the option of amd gpus, they are on the schedule that i stated with the 4870 in the mac pro and such, so i am up on macs and i do also use them

lkiller123

04-20-2009, 10:51 PM

Sparky

04-20-2009, 10:56 PM

nnnoooot exactly, wheres the heat supposed to go?
and what about battery life?

netbook for a grand is stupid, but apple... i dont like their super restrictive policy, but their products quality is pretty good.. and they do have the best designed/styled products, i dont think anybody doubts that....

except for the new ipod shufle which is just... well a tiny metal can... :D

I personally hate the styling of their stuff, and find many of their designs dumb/annoying :p:

saaya

04-20-2009, 11:05 PM

hmmm i like the ipod and iphone and apple tv and mac air designs... the imac designs suck, and i dont like the mac book designs, but most are really nice imo.
but yeah, their adds are incredibly annoying... and all this apple shop religious hype and "the genious bar" and all that crap is horrable
i dont own any apple products, and one of the reasons is that i dont want to be considered one of those snobby retards who fits into that freaky apple ad/culture environment.

metachronos

04-20-2009, 11:20 PM

For me it seems like Apple has he same design philosophy as MurderMod. Make something that looks clean,classy, and cool. All the other notebooks seem to look either plain and boring or tacky and cheap.

metachronos

04-20-2009, 11:24 PM

i dont own any apple products, and one of the reasons is that i dont want to be considered one of those snobby retards who fits into that freaky apple ad/culture environment.

Isn't being counterculture for the sake of it just as bad sometimes? Granted Apple does carry kind of a liberal arts/hipster connotation with it( that apple intentionally created) but I and others tend to not judge people based on what kind of electronics they buy. No one is going to label you a mactard just because you own an iPod, besides, those people usually do a pretty good job of labeling themselves.

lowfat

04-20-2009, 11:42 PM

any chance of using that mainboard from the in other netbooks and putting the bios out there from the mac one

there is no bios on Apple's.

saaya

04-21-2009, 12:07 AM

Isn't being counterculture for the sake of it just as bad sometimes? Granted Apple does carry kind of a liberal arts/hipster connotation with it( that apple intentionally created) but I and others tend to not judge people based on what kind of electronics they buy. No one is going to label you a mactard just because you own an iPod, besides, those people usually do a pretty good job of labeling themselves.
yeah sure, im just saying all this annoying culture marketing nonsense is rather driving me and others away from apple instead of making it more attractive

and yes, apple uses UEFI, so no overclocking or tweaking... thats a big drawback for me and most people here i think...

zanzabar

04-21-2009, 01:18 AM

there is no bios on Apple's.

its still a bios and can run from a block, flashed, ripped ext, and why dont we have this on high end parts now for normal use vista server08 and win7 support it and it can have changeable settings. its just an updated platform so its a non 16bit bios with better graphic support

and i was looking at it and i can load those in hyperV so with a mac rip (not sure how to get it) could i get a clean mac emulator

saaya

04-21-2009, 03:03 AM

Boissez

04-21-2009, 03:12 AM

That is stilll WAY to high it should be around 400. Its just a typical netbook. O wait it has a half eaten apple on it somewhere about forgot about that. Everyone knows a half eaten apple is worth like a grand.
Why should it be any cheaper than anyother premium netbook? (like the Vaio P, Hp 2133 or asus n110)

Well, don't you think they are WAY overpriced? And I really don't like how they are making PC user look like geeks (I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC.) I can't oppose to their quality and design, but their Mac campaign is just way to ridiculous.
I don't think that it's worse than the current PC ads portraying pc users as cheapskates? (as the ones quoted ;) )

MrMojoZ

04-21-2009, 06:45 AM

I don't think that it's worse than the current PC ads portraying pc users as cheapskates? (as the ones quoted ;) )

Making cost an issue in tough economic times is smart. Telling people your computers never ever crash ever isn't smart, it is a damn lie. Guess which one of these is Apple.

Karolis

04-21-2009, 07:28 AM

Donnie27

04-21-2009, 07:35 AM

zanzabar, but afaik you cant overclock on UEFI, at least not atm, its still very early...
and frankly i dont care about a mouse or fancy gui in bios, if it cant change voltages straps and timings and clockspeeds then its pretty useless to me... thats what a bios is for, if i want fancy graphics ill boot to some os...

RUMOR! I heard from a pretty good source that the target is $599. But that's just a target. One of their $2499 computers had a target price of $1,999 so that doesn't mean much. Now it would be sweet with new MS ads if they shipped it for $499 instead.;)

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/intel_unveils_2ghz_atom_z550_cpu

During the keynote, Intel also announced a pair of new Atom processors for MIDs. First on the lineup is the Z515, which incorporates the new Intel Burst Performance Technology (BPT) and runs at 1.2GHz. But of more interest in the Z550. This chip races along at 2GHz and supports Hyperthreading, and it does so at under 3 watts of power.

So we aren't just talking about the old Atom stuff here.

http://ark.intel.com/cpu.aspx?groupId=40741

Sorry, folks don't use NetPC's to play Crysis or Cruch HD 264 HD movies:D

I had ask the guy above about it after reading this>

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10206939-1.html?tag=mncol;txt

I wouldn't buy one but more power to the MAC Fans, I'd rather embrace them rather than slap them;) You guys ask Intel Fans not to bash AMD fans but bashing MAC is OK?

FischOderAal

04-21-2009, 08:31 AM

Prices won't be all to good as it's made by Apple, but we'll see what they come up with. I don't think OS-X will be the only advantage it has over the competition.

You guys ask Intel Fans not to bash AMD fans but bashing MAC is OK?

What did you expect? I didn't expect anything else.

Donnie27

04-21-2009, 09:10 AM

Prices won't be all to good as it's made by Apple, but we'll see what they come up with. I don't think OS-X will be the only advantage it has over the competition.

What did you expect? I didn't expect anything else.

Yup! I'm not really surprised, just a little disappointed. A friendly Jab or joke ain't bad but Hatred?

Boissez

04-21-2009, 10:34 AM

Making cost an issue in tough economic times is smart. Telling people your computers never ever crash ever isn't smart, it is a damn lie. Guess which one of these is Apple.
Crisis or no crisis, focusing on price is pretty much the worst thing you can do in marketing/business: you'll get low margins, low quality and little R&D. While the consumer might win in the short run, in the long run everybody looses...

PS: AFAIK Apple never promoted themselves as being crashfree - they simply said that PC's crash... thereby implying that they do not ;) (marketing at it's best ... and worst)

noXqzs

04-21-2009, 11:14 AM

I haven't kept up to date with their technology but I recall Apple buying a company, that designed embedded systems, sometime last year. 'PA Semi' I think was the name. I am curious to know if they are designing something on their own.

FischOderAal

04-21-2009, 12:25 PM

Yup! I'm not really surprised, just a little disappointed. A friendly Jab or joke ain't bad but Hatred?

Well, think I have to get used to it...

I haven't kept up to date with their technology but I recall Apple buying a company, that designed embedded systems, sometime last year. 'PA Semi' I think was the name. I am curious to know if they are designing something on their own.

Yes, PA Semi it was.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/apple-buys-chip-p-a-semi-chip-designer-intel-says-wha/

MrMojoZ

04-21-2009, 12:57 PM

PS: AFAIK Apple never promoted themselves as being crashfree - they simply said that PC's crash... thereby implying that they do not ;) (marketing at it's best ... and worst)

Apple Switch ads said outright that Macs never crash.

metachronos

04-21-2009, 01:48 PM

Apple Switch ads said outright that Macs never crash.

False or misleading statements in an advertisement? ALERT THE MEDIA!!

BababooeyHTJ

04-21-2009, 02:25 PM

gomeler;3744762']Above $500 and it isn't a netbook...

QFT
$899 for a netbook. :ROTF: :rofl: Thats more than I payed for my laptop with a 2ghz core2 over 2 years ago.

saaya

04-21-2009, 07:23 PM

What do you mean by saying you can't overclock on UEFI? MSI has at least two or three OCable UEFI motherboards. Or are you just talking about Apple computers?they have overclockeable boards that ALSO support uefi afaik... i dont think you can oc them via UEFI, not well at least... and without trashtalking or anything, i heard of 2 people nuking their msi boards with uefi somehow...

i talked to several bios engineers here and they all said uefi isnt mature enough to try anything funny like overclocking, even the basics arent fully working like they should so far.

Yup! I'm not really surprised, just a little disappointed. A friendly Jab or joke ain't bad but Hatred?
i really think this isnt about actual apple products, its about the apple marketing and apple cult... apples marketing and "religious" nonsense is really annoying and almost scary at times... the way they suppress any information or opinion that isnt beneficial to them is really fascist and scary, and i think thats what people dont like and why so many people bash apple...their products are actually great, but their marketing and prohpets are pssing everybody off...

similar to nvidia, their products are actually prety good, but their marketing is driving more people off and to hating them than doing the company any good...

this is both in the hardware enthusiast scene, where people KNOW hardware... in the other market segments i think nvidias and apples strategies work perfectly fine as most of the population is following them in big cattle like herds :D

False or misleading statements in an advertisement? ALERT THE MEDIA!!that doesnt make it ok to do...

what if your neighbours kid dies from mal nutrition?
:rolleyes: geez, thousands of kids die of mal nutrition all over the world every day... no big deal...

getting used to things not beeing right is the biggest danger to any species... like the frog getting used to the water getting warmer bit by bit until it boils and kills it ;)

Donnie27

04-21-2009, 07:32 PM

they have overclockeable boards that ALSO support uefi afaik... i dont think you can oc them via UEFI, not well at least... and without trashtalking or anything, i heard of 2 people nuking their msi boards with uefi somehow...

i talked to several bios engineers here and they all said uefi isnt mature enough to try anything funny like overclocking, even the basics arent fully working like they should so far.

i really think this isnt about actual apple products, its about the apple marketing and apple cult... apples marketing and "religious" nonsense is really annoying and almost scary at times... the way they suppress any information or opinion that isnt beneficial to them is really fascist and scary, and i think thats what people dont like and why so many people bash apple...their products are actually great, but their marketing and prohpets are pssing everybody off...

similar to nvidia, their products are actually prety good, but their marketing is driving more people off and to hating them than doing the company any good...

this is both in the hardware enthusiast scene, where people KNOW hardware... in the other market segments i think nvidias and apples strategies work perfectly fine as most of the population is following them in big cattle like herds :D

that doesnt make it ok to do...

what if your neighbours kid dies from mal nutrition?
:rolleyes: geez, thousands of kids die of mal nutrition all over the world every day... no big deal...

getting used to things not beeing right is the biggest danger to any species... like the frog getting used to the water getting warmer bit by bit until it boils and kills it ;)

I got nothing against a good laugh at Apples expense. I laughed for at least 30 secs! Sure, I don't like their misleading ads either but I don't care if their users are smug or not, I'm too busy enjoying my PC to care what Mac-droids think:up:

saaya

04-22-2009, 12:34 AM

well the worst thing is that most people really think a mac is something different compared to a pc... its not... a mac is a pc running osx, thats it.
its like saying an eeepc is not a pc cause it runs linux and not common desktop hardware... so what?
x86, 1366, x58, ddr3, pciE, pci, sata, Esata, keyboard, mouse, display... hows it not a pc?

apple = 3 things for me
a ce maker, which makes nice mp3 and multimedia players and a nice multimedia phone
a pc maker, which makes nice pcs and laptops
a software maker, creating OSes and apps

the first two i like, the last one i dont... but apple will never change or give up that part, as thats how they diferentiate their first two departments from the competition and lock the users into their infrastructure. and thats one of the things holding me back from the first two departments products... i almost bought an ipod, but its so restrictive i rather bought an archos mp3 player which was good enough, cheaper, and runs an open source OS i could even mod if i wanted to, and i have full access to the hardware, especially the hdd, and even installed the usb modded windows xp version on it, and could boot it on different pcs, which was neat :D
i almost bought an apple air lappy, but didnt cause even though it runs xp, driver support isnt that great, there is no way of overclocking or modding it, 100% impossible, while normal laptops can be modded and overclocked, even though it does take some effort... plus i was worried of making myself look like a mac-idiot, that last part wasnt important tho...

but this is all way off topic :D

lets sum up

~599$
atom, eventually custom binned
intel chipset, eventually custom binned
possibly a ~10" iphone like tablet pc

zanzabar

04-22-2009, 12:36 AM

so this wont be the arm one that was speculated running the iphone/touch os (the other thread reminded me)

saaya

04-22-2009, 12:50 AM

actually... it could be based on arm... and that would make it possible to make this thing either very cheap or cash in big time from apple...
IF arm is good enough performance wise... they might actually use arm and not atom, good point!

the iphone is not exactly very powerful cpu wise, not at all... so maybe apple wont use atom after all?
hmmmm if they use arm, and its fast enough, they can probably safe a lot of power and kill all the other netbooks battery life and heat wise, AND price wise it might be competitive too since arm is cheaper than atom... the only problem with arm is that no os supports it very well, but thats something apple can do that others cant, they just write their own os and tweak it for it :D