Core i5 CPU specs, prices reported

[onethreehill]

Delayed until October or not, the Lynnfield (Core i5) are closing in which means more details about them are also popping up. Manufactured using the mature 45nm process, Intel's first Socket 1156 processors are said to be the 2.66, 2.8 and 2.93 GHz-clocked Core i5 models. These processors will all feature four cores and an integrated dual-channel DDR3 memory controller (providing DDR3-1066/1333 support), 8MB of L3 cache and a TDP of 95W.

According to reports, the upcoming 2.66, 2.8 and 2.93 GHz chips will have support for the Turbo Boost technology which will enable single-core overclocks of up to 3.2, 3.46 and 3.6 GHz respectively. In terms of prices, the CPUs would go for $196, $284 and $562, with the cheapest part, the 2.66 MHz model, set to not include features like Hyper Threading, vPro and TXT, which will be found on the 2.8 and 2.93 GHz Lynnfields. Shortly after releasing these three processors, Intel is expected to deliver its first 32nm CPUs.
TechConnect Magazine (http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?shownews=25883&catid=2)

[RPGWiZaRD]

What's with the latest downtime, this news disappeared. Anyway it's worthy a repost, that 2.66GHz SKU @ $196 is really really nice IMO, hopefully we can get some overclock results soon, I wouldn't concider one if it doesn't do at least 3.6~3.8GHz though, otherwise it's not worth switching to a new mobo + DDR3 over a Core 2 Duo/Quad setup yet.

[Donnie27]

Another Yawner! So much for budget processor prospects. I wonder if these will get support from cheap but overly expensive motherboards as well:lol:

[Hornet331]

Another Yawner! So much for budget processor prospects. I wonder if these will get support from cheap but overly expensive motherboards as well:lol:

i5 is not the budget category its the mainstream cpu (replacement for Q9xxx/8xxx).
Budget is reserved for i3 (or whatever clarksdale is called...), replacement for all other dualcores....

And you never seem to get tired of bashing motherboard prices, even before they are launched. Make sure you dont eat those words some day. :clap:

[RPGWiZaRD]

Why are every1 acting like i5 is a lot slower than i7 when it isn't. :p:

Motherboard features is what will be the biggest difference.

[Antioch]

Why are every1 acting like i5 is a lot slower than i7 when it isn't. :p:

Motherboard features is what will be the biggest difference.

Actually, there IS a difference between i5 and i7. QPI speeds are slower, I believe, and the PCIe controller has been moved off of the NB and onto the CPU package.

When Intel starts releasing the 8-core nehalems they are likely to only appear in i7's LGA1366 format and not i5's LGA775.

[trinibwoy]

Lga1156....

[clayton]

If ITX comes to i5 instead of i7, I would have no choice but to happily downgrade! ^_^

[Boissez]

Damn you Intel for deliberately neutering the 2,66 ghz part...

[GAR]

With LGA 1366 prices being so low, i dont see why anyone would want an i5 over an i7 for 100 bucks less overall for board/cpu/memory

[Manabu]

Damn you Intel for deliberately neutering the 2,66 ghz part...
And I was waiting to buy an "cheap" I5... I hope that this is not definitive.

[Donnie27]

i5 is not the budget category its the mainstream cpu (replacement for Q9xxx/8xxx).
Budget is reserved for i3 (or whatever clarksdale is called...), replacement for all other dualcores....

And you never seem to get tired of bashing motherboard prices, even before they are launched. Make sure you dont eat those words some day. :clap:

Actually, I hope I do have to eat my words on this and much rather be wrong!

No, I don't ever get tired of talking about all kinds of BS being called enthusiast, that's with over-priced hardware of all kinds, not just motherboards. My disgust is in almost anything called enthusiast without enthusiast results. Crap like Killer NICs, Fatality and Xonar Sound cards, RAM that's has about 2% more performance with real world apps but cost 200% more and tons of other CRAP! Also, wayyyyyy too many danged company sales-folks in disguise on this forum (doesn't include you):rolleyes:

[Shintai]

Actually, there IS a difference between i5 and i7. QPI speeds are slower, I believe, and the PCIe controller has been moved off of the NB and onto the CPU package.

When Intel starts releasing the 8-core nehalems they are likely to only appear in i7's LGA1366 format and not i5's LGA775.

8core would be LGA1567 and for quadsocket+ servers.

EDIT: And i5 dont have QPI. Plus i5 is dualchannel.

[Shintai]

With LGA 1366 prices being so low, i dont see why anyone would want an i5 over an i7 for 100 bucks less overall for board/cpu/memory

I would. 20% or more lower platform power consumption. Smaller designs (Tho we do have mATX X58 boards).

Boards will basicly be 100-150$ less. And CPUs alittle less.
In my eyes i7 is only for those wanting SLI/CF. And i5 for those that want 1 card and a normal system so to say.

[Periander6]

Damn you Intel for deliberately neutering the 2,66 ghz part...

Ack indeed. Shades of the 486SX. This is the crap that happens when there isn't enough competition.

[Kingcarcas]

Wow.....i was like cool $200, then i saw "no HT" WTF Intel?

[Hornet331]

Wow.....i was like cool $200, then i saw "no HT" WTF Intel?

lol, cry some more... you get the i5 2.8ghz cpu for the same price as a i7 2.66ghz.... spoiled people everywhere. :clap:

[BababooeyHTJ]

Actually, there IS a difference between i5 and i7. QPI speeds are slower, I believe, and the PCIe controller has been moved off of the NB and onto the CPU package.

When Intel starts releasing the 8-core nehalems they are likely to only appear in i7's LGA1366 format and not i5's LGA775.

I can pop an i5 onto my P5Q! Awesome ;)

Seriously, is there a point in picking one of these up over an i7 920? Unless you can get a board for dirt cheap. No HT on the $200 model. :down: So I would need to pay $100 more for the next model which has HT or the same price as a 920, probably more than a 920 by October.

[Zaskar]

8core would be LGA1567 and for quadsocket+ servers.

EDIT: And i5 dont have QPI. Plus i5 is dualchannel.

I think he meant 6 core.

[Antioch]

I believe they will eventually increase the number of on-die cores - that's what Nehalem was designed for: core scaling.

[shoehorned]

With LGA 1366 prices being so low, i dont see why anyone would want an i5 over an i7 for 100 bucks less overall for board/cpu/memory

That actually makes a bit difference. With a company as big as intel, the slightest price change/difference will have a large effect. And out of every home that has a desktop, only around 5% are enthusiasts, the rest do not spend top dollars for marginal gains.

[Shintai]

I believe they will eventually increase the number of on-die cores - that's what Nehalem was designed for: core scaling.

Westmere archtecture on 32nm brings 6 cores to the desktop/DP servers.

[Donnie27]

That actually makes a bit difference. With a company as big as intel, the slightest price change/difference will have a large effect. And out of every home that has a desktop, only around 5% are enthusiasts, the rest do not spend top dollars for marginal gains.

Actually that number is lower than 1%! Don't confuse all DIYers with Enthusiast! It might be the same mistake Intel is making here.

[Donnie27]

Snip!



In 2010, a processor code-named Gulftown (see graphic) is slated to appear and will be Intel's first six-core desktop processor. The Westmere chip will plug into existing Intel motherboard designs.

Westmere will support Intel's Hyperthreading technology, which doubles the number of tasks that can be handled simultaneously.

In related news, Intel's Nehalem mobile "Clarksfield" (don't confuse with Clarkdale) and Nehalem desktop "Lynnfield" processors will come in the second half of the year, according to Intel.

Chinese-language technology Web site HKEPC says Clarksfield quad-core processors will have speeds of 1.6GHz, 1.73GHz, and 2.0GHz and range in price from $364 to $1,054.

Both Annandale (32-nanometer) and Clarksfield (45-nanometer) chips are targeted at the "thin-and-light" laptop market, according to Intel documentation.

[Zucker2k]

With LGA 1366 prices being so low, i dont see why anyone would want an i5 over an i7 for 100 bucks less overall for board/cpu/memoryWord! I'm building a i7 920 system that is going to be cheaper than the s775 system in my sig. The good thing is, the prices have nowhere to go, but down from here on.

[Boissez]

lol, cry some more... you get the i5 2.8ghz cpu for the same price as a i7 2.66ghz.... spoiled people everywhere. :clap: lol - 6 more months of waiting and we'll get a 3% upgrade. Are we supposed to be thankful?
I'm sorry but I wan't the 100% every 1½ year that Mr Moore has promised me. :p:

[Shintai]

lol - 6 more months of waiting and we'll get a 3% upgrade. Are we supposed to be thankful?
I'm sorry but I wan't the 100% every 1½ year that Mr Moore has promised me. :p:

I think your main prohibitor in your performance demands is due to bad and poorly coded software.

Plus a new computer will be faster and cheaper with i5 than with Core 2 quad.

[Periander6]

Plus a new computer will be faster and cheaper with i5 than with Core 2 quad.

I doubt the lobotimized i5 will be faster than the 9650. I also doubt the non lobotimized i5s will be cheaper than the 9650 6 months from now if they want the 9650 to compete against AMD speed bumped PIIs.

[Zucker2k]

I doubt the lobotimized i5 will be faster than the 9650. I also doubt the non lobotimized i5s will be cheaper than the 9650 6 months from now if they want the 9650 to compete against AMD speed bumped PIIs.Good point; shhhh, watch out for the Q9750.

[GAR]

That actually makes a bit difference. With a company as big as intel, the slightest price change/difference will have a large effect. And out of every home that has a desktop, only around 5% are enthusiasts, the rest do not spend top dollars for marginal gains.

You are right, but i guess i was speaking from an enthusiasts point of view, since this is XS :up:

[Sparky]

Does it bother anyone else that they have felt the need to lock the owner to only "mainstream" or "high-end" when you buy a board? I much prefer one socket... that way can get the mainstream now if desired but then later get the high end without having to buy all new yet again. Why did they feel the need to segregate the different models like this? :shrug:

[saaya]

Another Yawner! So much for budget processor prospects. I wonder if these will get support from cheap but overly expensive motherboards as well:lol:
i expect most 1156 boards to launch at 200$, with asus and maybe others offering even more expensive versions. the cheapest 1156 boards at launch should be around 150$ and later they will drop to 100$ and less.

i talked to a few people in the industry and they all believe the i5 prices are much too high, they are basically i7 prices... to be sucessful in the mainstream the prices should be around 30% lower most people said.

[saaya]

I think your main prohibitor in your performance demands is due to bad and poorly coded software.
not all software can be multithreaded and a large portion of desktop software will never be multi threaded even if its theoretically possibly... thats where amd and intel fail, they push server multicore chips onto the desktop market that doesnt benefit from the extra cores at all...
you could sell a quadcore that actually only has 2 active cores and pretends to have 4 cores to the OS and get the same performance as a real quadcore, people wouldnt even notice the diference...
a faster dualcore still beats a slower quad, hexa or octa core, and will do so even in a year from now.


Plus a new computer will be faster and cheaper with i5 than with Core 2 quad.once again your bias insults your intelligence shintai...

faster? yes, BUT 775 is fast enough and even in games you wont really notice a difference

cheaper? no

[Donnie27]

i expect most 1156 boards to launch at 200$, with asus and maybe others offering even more expensive versions. the cheapest 1156 boards at launch should be around 150$ and later they will drop to 100$ and less.

i talked to a few people in the industry and they all believe the i5 prices are much too high, they are basically i7 prices... to be sucessful in the mainstream the prices should be around 30% lower most people said.

I just got an email before coming here. The prices I'm told are MSRP and they saw no less than 8 prospects, their prices range from $169 to $219. I replied, "Don't these folks know we're in a recession?". No biggie, I'll simply stick with my Q9550 not worry much about it.

[geo]

i expect most 1156 boards to launch at 200$, with asus and maybe others offering even more expensive versions. the cheapest 1156 boards at launch should be around 150$ and later they will drop to 100$ and less.

i talked to a few people in the industry and they all believe the i5 prices are much too high, they are basically i7 prices... to be sucessful in the mainstream the prices should be around 30% lower most people said.
may be you were right when you said, waiting for i5 wasn't worth it. :( anyway, thanks for the info

[informal]

I just got an email before coming here. The prices I'm told are MSRP and they saw no less than 8 prospects, their prices range from $169 to $219. I replied, "Don't these folks know we're in a recession?". No biggie, I'll simply stick with my Q9550 not worry much about it.

In today's economy,C2Q(as an drop-in upgrade) is much better deal than i5(7).You basically won't notice any difference except in very few apps.Plus Q9550 will OC great,so =a win...

[ShaneHm2]

I am hoping that i can pick up a i5 cpu and board for hopefully $500~$600AU when they are realeased, it will be a nice upgrade from an e8400. Ive got everything else except for some ram.

[saaya]

I just got an email before coming here. The prices I'm told are MSRP and they saw no less than 8 prospects, their prices range from $169 to $219. I replied, "Don't these folks know we're in a recession?". No biggie, I'll simply stick with my Q9550 not worry much about it.
thats the thing, they got it all wrong, everybody in asia thinks that these are highend systems, even i5, so they think its a chance to make a good margin and everybody prices their hardware that high :rolleyes:


may be you were right when you said, waiting for i5 wasn't worth it. :( anyway, thanks for the info
i guess when i kept saying dont wait for i5, go get i7, most people thought i just wanted to pimp BloodRage... :D

but i was serious and still am... its no 975/965 situation where the newer cheaper mainstream part even beats the first gen expensive highend solutions... this is more like x48 vs p45 with ddr3, p45 is cheaper but clocks worse and has less pciE lanes, if you want a fast system x48 is still the way to go for 775... actually i think the gap between 1366 and 1156 will be bigger than that between x48 and p45...

anyways, waiting at least resulted in some savings when going to 1366 :D
we got FlamingBlade ready now, x58 1366 for as low as 130$ with all basic functionality and worse ocing than BR, but still 4Ghz+ and 200Bclock+ on air capable. and other board makers have cheaper x58 boards as well now...
thats making it even harder for intel to intro i5, the second gen of x58 boards are offering a much better bang for the bug ratio than the first gen p55 boards will once they are out.

[Macadamia]

saaya, better bang for the bug? :D

[Shintai]

not all software can be multithreaded and a large portion of desktop software will never be multi threaded even if its theoretically possibly... thats where amd and intel fail, they push server multicore chips onto the desktop market that doesnt benefit from the extra cores at all...
you could sell a quadcore that actually only has 2 active cores and pretends to have 4 cores to the OS and get the same performance as a real quadcore, people wouldnt even notice the diference...
a faster dualcore still beats a slower quad, hexa or octa core, and will do so even in a year from now.

once again your bias insults your intelligence shintai...

faster? yes, BUT 775 is fast enough and even in games you wont really notice a difference

cheaper? no

Actually your continual BS and crapping on anything related is an insult to this forum. you should know aswell as anyone else that a board with only a P55(ICH) southbridge to 5 or 10$ is alot cheaper than a board with a 40-50$ chipset solution with much more traces and components and a higher design and validation time.

And not 775 is "fast enough". Whats this? We can also all sit with our 2½Ghz dualcore right?

Get our of your selv religious emo rage over i5 and i7 and SoC designs. We already had this in PM.

You are starting to be a thread crapper.

Also you can do alot more multithreaded code. Amdahls law will kick in. but atleast under 8 cores/threads its still quite the benefit. Quadcores today already beat dualcores in a broad range of new games and such.


i talked to a few people in the industry and they all believe the i5 prices are much too high, they are basically i7 prices... to be sucessful in the mainstream the prices should be around 30% lower most people said.

Ofcourse they think so. Intel moved revenue and profit from boards to CPUs (Just like AMD started on with the IMC and will do more with APUs). Its not exactly rocket science to see where this goes.

[Hornet331]

I'm sorry but I wan't the 100% every 1½ year that Mr Moore has promised me. :p:

Learn whats moore's law is before using it in a wrong context.. :yepp:

[saaya]

Actually your continual BS and crapping on anything related is an insult to this forum. you should know aswell as anyone else that a board with only a P55(ICH) southbridge to 5 or 10$ is alot cheaper than a board with a 40-50$ chipset solution with much more traces and components and a higher design and validation time.really? should i know that? well maybe YOU should know that ibex peak will cost about as much as P45 and the SB was kinda bundled for free with intel chipsets in the past... YOU are spreading bs and dont know what your talking about... reducing rnd time, pah, how so? all intel does is move some logic around, the amount of traces you need overall is the same, the pwm capacity you need overall is the same, the numbers of pwms you need is the same, so where is this less complex? whether you have all the logic on 2 sockets or 3 sockets doesnt make a big difference, why do you think amd went back from a unified chipset to a nb sb strategy again? why did intel copy that same strategy with x58 and ich10 even though they moved the memory controller into the cpu? cause less sockets doesnt necessarily mean less complex and cheaper.


And not 775 is "fast enough". Whats this? We can also all sit with our 2½Ghz dualcore right?most people can, yupp...


Get our of your selv religious emo rage over i5 and i7 and SoC designs. We already had this in PM.relv religious... what does that even mean? same for emo rage, lmao, if your trying to insult me at least use real insults that have an actual meaning :D
i love i7, i dont have anything against it, and never have had... i dont like i5 cause its overpowered and overpriced for its segment...
all we had in pm was both of us agreeing that instead of actual knowledge all you have is a strong opinion, and that you somehow thought im against soc, which im still confused about as im looking forward to atom socs...


You are starting to be a thread crapper.hahahah, thats gonna make a great sig quote :D
when im speculating i say so, when im posting something i know, i say so. you keep posting stuff as if you knew the details and defend your point to death, but dont actually post any details, since you dont know any.
just like in this case, i disagreed with you and instead of proving me wrong or elaborating your opinion/point of view you start to argue and defend your point. im starting to think thats what your all about...


Also you can do alot more multithreaded code. Amdahls law will kick in. but atleast under 8 cores/threads its still quite the benefit. Quadcores today already beat dualcores in a broad range of new games and such.some games... and they are how much faster? you really consider that a reason to spend extra and double cpu power consumption? and dualcores clock notably higher than quads, easily making up for the litle benefit quads have in some games.
if quadcores are really that important, then how come intel will push dualcores with ht for the mainsream? if dualcores are really that slow and outdated, then how come intel will keep dualcore 775 chips supported and alive until 2012 and expects it to continue to hold a notable market share?
im not saying all i5 chips should be dualcore, but they shouldnt all be quadcores and cost 200$ and upwards.


Ofcourse they think so. Intel moved revenue and profit from boards to CPUs (Just like AMD started on with the IMC and will do more with APUs). Its not exactly rocket science to see where this goes.so far they havent, as far as i know, and i do know something while your probably just guessing again, ibex peak costs as much as p45, hence boards prices will be about the same, and design requirements are about the same too... so mainboard rnd, component cost, pcb cost, retail price and margin will be roughly the same as before. all intel did was simplify the infrastructure and reducing the number of designs on the market, and making it possible to upgrade integrated graphics. this would theoretically increase the platform life, but they will eol it rather soon since they didnt align their vrm roadmap with the platform roadmap very well...

and all this isnt even confidential information, you can find this on wikipedia and google, lol...

[Shintai]

so far they havent, as far as i know, and i do know something while your probably just guessing again, ibex peak costs as much as p45, hence boards prices will be about the same, and design requirements are about the same too... so mainboard rnd, component cost, pcb cost, retail price and margin will be roughly the same as before. all intel did was simplify the infrastructure and reducing the number of designs on the market, and making it possible to upgrade integrated graphics. this would theoretically increase the platform life, but they will eol it rather soon since they didnt align their vrm roadmap with the platform roadmap very well...

and all this isnt even confidential information, you can find this on wikipedia and google, lol...

Feel free to link it. Because a quick google and wiki search shows nothing.

And you claim Intel gonna price LGA1156 chips as P45? When its basicly just the same (Newer revision) ICH southbridge and no 1254pin northbridge with MCH and PCIe. Thats a joke.

Oh, and history shows you are wrong. just look on AMD boards when even just the IMC was moved to the CPU. What happend? CHEAP BOARDS. Now you got IMC+PCIe on the CPU and a single chip solution.

[Hornet331]

some games... and they are how much faster? you really consider that a reason to spend extra and double cpu power consumption? and dualcores clock notably higher than quads, easily making up for the litle benefit quads have in some games.
if quadcores are really that important, then how come intel will push dualcores with ht for the mainsream? if dualcores are really that slow and outdated, then how come intel will keep dualcore 775 chips supported and alive until 2012 and expects it to continue to hold a notable market share?
im not saying all i5 chips should be dualcore, but they shouldnt all be quadcores and cost 200$ and upwards.


some games is good... every game recently released now at least supports dualcore, in case of UT3, GTA4, Farcry2, GRAW 2 and some other games, they even profit more from quadcores then from dualcores.

The only thing you could say is, that people don't notice it cause they run into GPU limited situations all time.

Uh and btw your dualcore i5 is called clarkdale and is probably will be named i3, it sahres the same boards as i5, so you have the choice to either go quad or dual. The same choice you have now with S775. :p:

Its funny how many people complain about i5 prices, the same time the cheapest Q9xxx is also around 200€ (Q9300) :p:

[saaya]

Feel free to link it. Because a quick google and wiki search shows nothing.
interesting... wikipedia has been cleaned again, no more p55 page and the core i5 page has been castrated to 5 sentences :D
and nehalemnews is gone... dont know where i read about the price, but im pretty sure it was wikipedia, and i read on some cebit coverage that p55 will cost about 45$, which is roughly the same as p45. anyhow, even if the chipset price would be lower than that, it wont be less than 20$, and whether its 20$ more or less you pay for a board really doesnt mater in the mainstream segment. hmmm i wonder why wiki content can still be removed so easily...


And you claim Intel gonna price LGA1156 chips as P45? When its basicly just the same (Newer revision) ICH southbridge and no 1254pin northbridge with MCH and PCIe. Thats a joke.exactly what im thinking! :D i totally agree with you, its a joke... go and tell intel...
p55 doesnt have any extra logic except for the fdi thing, besides that its exactly a ich10 afaik... oh well it has this new turbo memory 2.0 cache controller or whatever they call it, but besides that its just an ich10 afaik... and yes, its rather ridiculous to charge that much for it... even if they would only charge 20$, thats still 20$ more than they charged before. southbridges are pretty much free when you buy a nb bundled with it, 1$ i think?
well i guess intel didnt want to give up cashing in on boards AND cpus... if theyd really just charge the usual sb cost for p55, then boards makers would probably actually make even more money than they do now, while boards prices would stay the same. so its smart of intel to charge about the same, if they wouldnt, then that margin would go to the board makers and not them...


Oh, and history shows you are wrong. just look on AMD boards when even just the IMC was moved to the CPU. What happend? CHEAP BOARDS. Now you got IMC+PCIe on the CPU and a single chip solution.
and what happend when amd went back from i chipset to nb and sb? same cheap boards...
its not quite as simple as 2=expensive 1=cheap...

[Shintai]

Ehm Saaya...where is those prices you base it all on? Wikipedia? Gone? Plus Wiki aint exactly the place for truth all the time.

Perhaps you should also put your comments away about the price.

For AMD the IMC is still there. So the northbridge only handles PCIe. Still a huge saving cost.

[saaya]

some games is good... every game recently released now at least supports dualcore, in case of UT3, GTA4, Farcry2, GRAW 2 and some other games, they even profit more from quadcores then from dualcores.farcry2 benefits from 4 cores? thats not what i saw, not at all... and ut3? ut3 isnt even that cpu hungry... gta4 and assesins creed are the only games i saw that really use 4 cores, and again, how big is the benefit over dualcores... its tiny...


The only thing you could say is, that people don't notice it cause they run into GPU limited situations all time.yeah, thats what i meant when i said cpus are more than powerful enough.


Uh and btw your dualcore i5 is called clarkdale and is probably will be named i3, it sahres the same boards as i5, so you have the choice to either go quad or dual. The same choice you have now with S775. :p:i heard 1156 wont be called core i5 and i3, it wont even be called core... but im not sure... and afaik those chips will be igp, and thats not what you want when overclocking... though intel might have arranged things in a way that it doesnt limit overclocking too much...


Its funny how many people complain about i5 prices, the same time the cheapest Q9xxx is also around 200€ (Q9300) :p:on newegg 8200 is only 165$, but yes, your right... quads arent exactly cheap for 775 either... even the 5xxx cpus cost close to 100$, intel has really become expensive again... and 7xxx dualcores cost almost as much as 8xxx quadcores? that doesnt really make sense considering you get twice the silicon hmmmm either intel wants to push people to buy quads or cash in big time for the dualcore chips... and i assume its the latter... especially since q6600 chips still go for over 200$...

[Bradan]

Actually, I hope I do have to eat my words on this and much rather be wrong!

No, I don't ever get tired of talking about all kinds of BS being called enthusiast, that's with over-priced hardware of all kinds, not just motherboards. My disgust is in almost anything called enthusiast without enthusiast results. Crap like Killer NICs, Fatality and Xonar Sound cards, RAM that's has about 2% more performance with real world apps but cost 200% more and tons of other CRAP! Also, wayyyyyy too many danged company sales-folks in disguise on this forum (doesn't include you):rolleyes:

Why you bashing Xonar... It's the best sound card on the market :(

[saaya]

Ehm Saaya...where is those prices you base it all on? Wikipedia? Gone? Plus Wiki aint exactly the place for truth all the time.

Perhaps you should also put your comments away about the price.

For AMD the IMC is still there. So the northbridge only handles PCIe. Still a huge saving cost.huge saving costs, hahah, im sure amd engineers can get a heartly laugh out of this :D

i never edit or delete my posts to correct a wrong assumption i made, i leave that to you :)
besids, i dont think this is just a rumor, im sure p55 will cost about the same as p45 and board prices will be higher than p45 at launch and about the same after some time passed.

enough about what i said and think is going to happen, how about your comments then? dare to say anything more solid? so you claim p55 will cost how much? 5$? 20$ and that will make a diference how? that will unleash a storm of customers raiding pc shops and crash neweggs website once i5 gets released, even though the cpus cost a couple hundred dollars?

the launch prices of i5 are almost identical to the launch prices of their 45nm chips, 160$ to 530$, this time the perceiveable end user benefit over the current gen is smaller, we are in a recession with over 4 million lost jobs in the us so far, and... the launch prices are 30-50$ higher... reality check?

and thats not even taking into account the fact that 45nm parts launched into an existing infra structure of mature and reasonably priced and well available mainboards. i5 will launch with brand new not quite mature boards with a hefty launch bonus on them, so if you look at platform cost your paying another bonus on the boards... no wonder intel wants everybody to believe the recession is over.

[Hornet331]

farcry2 benefits from 4 cores? thats not what i saw, not at all... and ut3? ut3 isnt even that cpu hungry... gta4 and assesins creed are the only games i saw that really use 4 cores, and again, how big is the benefit over dualcores... its tiny...


farcry 2 uses 3 cores (since its ported from xbox360)

http://www.xcpus.com/reviews/121-Far-Cry-2-Single-to-Quad-Core-Scaling-Page-2.aspx

you gain more fps compared to 2, not much but with more powerfull gfx cards the difference will be bigger.

UT3 on the otherhand gains form every core:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3127&p=4


as said, most of the time people don't noticed it cause the run into gpu limitation with there 9800gt or equivalent, but most people here run pretty highend stuff (4870/4890 ocd or 260gtx+ also oced), and there you'll notice the difference.

Even HL2 (TF2/L4D) recently gained dualcore support and maybe later even gets better threading, since there engien is so cpu limited. :D

As for the Q6600, you can't blame intel for the high prices since the CPU is EOL, hell a Q6700 (tray, 140€) is cheaper then a Q6600 (tray, 160€). :ROTF:

Its price gouging by the retailers. :down:

[Sparky]

You are starting to be a thread crapper.

Hahahahaha...... classic.
pot meet kettle :ROTF:

[Donnie27]

Why you bashing Xonar... It's the best sound card on the market :(

Why are you once again being a Xonar Fanboy and skipping the part where I criticized X-Fi Fatality as well?:rolleyes:

I got my Prelude for a little over $160 and even mentioned that it mine was 30 to 40 too expensive:up:

[Donnie27]

In today's economy,C2Q(as an drop-in upgrade) is much better deal than i5(7).You basically won't notice any difference except in very few apps.Plus Q9550 will OC great,so =a win...

See? I'd told you I'd point out crap if I thought Intel was being ________, you fill in the blank?

Why are folks acting surprised that Intel is raising prices, making small cuts on a few and the rest are flat? Even most of us here have said they would if they continued to dominate AMD.

It is kind of funny some one would point out Q6600, it is the Guilt Ridden part of all. I know a certain nameless VAR and he knows me very well. How well? I asked if there was a shortage of Q6600s? His reply, "No Donnie it's just profit taking". He already knew I was about to ask him why the price increase? I built a computer for a friend and caught Q6600 for $158 with free shipping.

What do they cost on April 22nd at about 10:50am CST?

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail $214.99 Free Shipping*. That's more than a Faster AMD X4 940 $185. But Q6600 is a worse case;)

We ended up using an Intel Q9450 from Star Micro that $225:D Yes it was worth that much more.

[Vozer]

According to reports, the upcoming 2.66, 2.8 and 2.93 GHz chips will have support for the Turbo Boost technology which will enable single-core overclocks of up to 3.2, 3.46 and 3.6 GHz respectively.
Now that's the real Turbo.

I wonder how much GHz the 32nm dual-core Clarkdale can Boost?

[BababooeyHTJ]

I would acctually argue that there are as many games that benefit from a slower quad than games that benefit from a faster dual and that margin is going to grow more and more. I saw a major difference in UT3 when going from a wolfdale to a yorky at the same clocks and I'm sure that other UE3 games like Mass Effect would have the same results. GTA4 the difference was huge. Fallout 3 showed quite the improvement and Oblivion for the same reason. Any modern RTS will also show a nice improvment with a quad. As mentioned Far Cry 2. I'm sure there are a few other games that benefit from a quad as well. How many games really need a dual core clocked over 3ghz to maintain reasonable framerates that wouldn't benefit more so from a slightly slower quad? What do I care if HL2 runs at 100fps or 300fps?

Also I think that AMD will really have the edge in the mainstream market especilly by the time i5 hits the market.

[MomijiTMO]

Hahahahaha...... classic.
pot meet kettle :ROTF:

Yeah I kinda raised my eyebrows at that. . . lol. Oh man and with that I am going to bed. I'll be smiling though.

[saaya]

farcry 2 uses 3 cores (since its ported from xbox360)

http://www.xcpus.com/reviews/121-Far-Cry-2-Single-to-Quad-Core-Scaling-Page-2.aspx

you gain more fps compared to 2, not much but with more powerfull gfx cards the difference will be bigger.

UT3 on the otherhand gains form every core:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3127&p=4


as said, most of the time people don't noticed it cause the run into gpu limitation with there 9800gt or equivalent, but most people here run pretty highend stuff (4870/4890 ocd or 260gtx+ also oced), and there you'll notice the difference.

Even HL2 (TF2/L4D) recently gained dualcore support and maybe later even gets better threading, since there engien is so cpu limited. :D

As for the Q6600, you can't blame intel for the high prices since the CPU is EOL, hell a Q6700 (tray, 140€) is cheaper then a Q6600 (tray, 160€). :ROTF:

Its price gouging by the retailers. :down:

with farcry2 you gain .5 on minfps and 2 on average fps, sure with a beefier vga thats more, but is that worth buying a new cpu or spending more for a quad?

ut3 gives you 15-30 extra average fps, but thats at 1024x768 where fps are above 100 even with a singlecore already, so i still dont think that worth paying more, but thats my opinion...

like i said, there is scaling with more than 2 cores, but how much?
is it worth it? imo its not... but its better than last time i checked, so i guess in a year or two a quadcore might really make a difference. but that doesnt mean you should buy one now imo. if i learned one thing about hardware its that upgrading now to have good specs for future games is a waste of money, since hardware gets faster or cheaper monthly :)

[Chad Boga]

saaya, better bang for the bug? :D
Trust you to highlight that. :lol2:

[RealTelstar]

Looks like the i5 is too much crippled to be worth anything. And I had hopes for my new htpc...

[RPGWiZaRD]

with farcry2 you gain .5 on minfps and 2 on average fps, sure with a beefier vga thats more, but is that worth buying a new cpu or spending more for a quad?

ut3 gives you 15-30 extra average fps, but thats at 1024x768 where fps are above 100 even with a singlecore already, so i still dont think that worth paying more, but thats my opinion...

like i said, there is scaling with more than 2 cores, but how much?
is it worth it? imo its not... but its better than last time i checked, so i guess in a year or two a quadcore might really make a difference. but that doesnt mean you should buy one now imo. if i learned one thing about hardware its that upgrading now to have good specs for future games is a waste of money, since hardware gets faster or cheaper monthly :)

QFT, but with i7/i5 there's only quad as a choice but if there was dual versions of i5 I might even have chosen it as price would be really low (150 ~ $350 for the performance parts) and overclockability should be great from the reduced power/heat output. I think it'll need like 1-2 years still before quad is really worth it as well, I want majority of the games or apps I use to be able to benefit from it so, don't care if it's only a couple of them. And as you said there's always faster hardware released, in a year there will be a lot faster quads and I usually upgrade CPU every 1 - 1½ years so, sometimes even sooner. Going from C2D to a i7 setup is a lot money spent for like ~20% increase in scenarios CPU performance matter.

[Hornet331]

Going from C2D to a i7 setup is a lot money spent for like ~20% increase in scenarios CPU performance matter.

Not where i have my usage
Boinc -> ~30-50% ppd
CFD simulations -> 80% faster then my QX9650. :eek:

I can't wait for gulftown next year. :D

[saaya]

yes, exactly what im thinking... there isnt a real reason to upgrade, yeah you have more cpu performance, no doubt... but so what?
most people upgrade to play games, and how much faster is i7/i5 there? 0-10% on average...

rpgwizzard, there will be dualcore i5 chips though, dualcore with HT, which i think is the sweet spot for the next years.
i just hope intel prices them properly... its a shame there wont be any dualcore ht chips for 1366 afaik... that would make 1366 the perfect platform, you can start of with a dualcore with ht, and then upgrade to a 6core ht chip after some years, more than trippling the cpu power of the platform... i hope there will be dualcore ht xeons for 1366 :D


Not where i have my usage
Boinc -> ~30-50% ppd
CFD simulations -> 80% faster then my QX9650. :eek:

I can't wait for gulftown next year. :D
yeah but you have to admit, there arent really a lot of people who buy a new cpu to run boinc or scientific simulations... :D

[Chad Boga]

i just hope intel prices them properly... its a shame there wont be any dualcore ht chips for 1366 afaik...
Not only will you have Dual Core HT chips for 1366, they will be 32nm Westmere Duals.

[Shintai]

Not only will you have Dual Core HT chips for 1366, they will be 32nm Westmere Duals.

No. Those are for LGA1156...LGA1366 will only get 6 core 32nm.

[Chad Boga]

No. Those are for LGA1156...LGA1366 will only get 6 core 32nm.
Criminy, at this rate if I end up upgrading at Christmas time, I'll probably be going AMD.

[Mk]

core i5 should be the main stream CPU that will never get to Core i7 performance....or at least that what i thought am i missing something here @@?

[xVeinx]

core i5 should be the main stream CPU that will never get to Core i7 performance....or at least that what i thought am i missing something here @@?

Performance in what? Integer? Float? SLI? In terms of computation, we've already seen it comes close to (or exceeds in certain cases) i7. The areas that are stripped from the processor mostly on the peripheral side, such as VT (for the lowest one), memory (dual channel only), and graphics (x8 only for dual, depending on implimentation).

[saaya]

Performance in what? Integer? Float? SLI? In terms of computation, we've already seen it comes close to (or exceeds in certain cases) i7. The areas that are stripped from the processor mostly on the peripheral side, such as VT (for the lowest one), memory (dual channel only), and graphics (x8 only for dual, depending on implimentation).yeah, in the end 1156 might surpass 1366... especially when it comes to overclocking, but that really all depends on intel...