Is Pentium IV 3.2EE really releasing today? [Archive]

Soulburner

11-03-2003, 12:20 AM

Here is the quote from Anandtech:

Intel is toying with the idea of releasing an Extreme Edition version of every high-end Pentium 4 (e.g. Prescott 3.40GHz Extreme Edition), however nothing is set in stone yet. We have already passed along the information that an Extreme Edition processor would truly be worthy of the name if Intel would unlock the processors, allowing overclockers to freely push their processors. In order to combat remarking, we also passed along the suggestion that only lower multipliers be made available.

Both of these suggestions were provided by AnandTech readers and were very well received by Intel, it may take some time but we may be able to get the chip-giant to budge on this one.

mdzcpa

11-03-2003, 04:27 AM

Although $1000 is indeed an insane price for a CPU, those already with Canterwood set ups could get top end performance cheaper.

A competing FX system would run:
$750 for the FX 51 OEM
$208 for the S8KN
$282 for 2 x 512 of Registered Memory

That's $1240. And that doesn't include any cooling costs.

For the EE, all I have to do is slip it under my current Peltier set up. 10 minutes, and I'm up and running.

corbec

11-03-2003, 04:49 AM

true there, but what if you have an amd sys and want to upgrade? plus your getting only a cpu...you could get like a whole 1700juihb system for 1000 or a single cpu. id opt to get another system cause i dont think the P4EE is worth 800 more than a 2.4.

saaya

11-03-2003, 04:56 AM

i could build such a killer system with 1000$...

Iridium192_217

11-03-2003, 04:57 AM

it would still be cheaper, you dont have to get registered ram with the p4ee

11-03-2003, 07:33 AM

It only worths it if it would be unlocked and your a so extreme oc'er and you really know what you do...

Manoj

11-03-2003, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by GJoz
It only worths it if it would be unlocked and your a so extreme oc'er and you really know what you do...

It can can lower the cpu multiplier then it will be great.

At least it has no problems with higher FSB compared to Athlon 64.

11-03-2003, 08:26 AM

oh,thanks for the info :D

charlie

11-03-2003, 08:47 AM

I thought $675 was a LOAD for my FX-51, but $1000....that's just too much. Overclocking is supposed to be fun, but can you imagine the anxiety with removing the IHS or upping the Vcore...
C

CrashOv3r1De

11-03-2003, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by charlie
but $1000....that's just too much. C

no such thing as too much. computing and overclocking is a hobby and people who have the money can buy it. my opinion is do what floats your boat. heck there are way more expensiuve hobbies then overclocking such as boating, nitro r\c car racing, ect but people still spend fortunes to get what makes them happy. if you have money and not use it what is the point of having it?

Major

11-03-2003, 11:03 AM

I would not hesitate to buy either the FX or the P4EE IF I had the money right now.:D This is the first time in years that I don't have the money to buy new toys ! that sukz !!

P.S. I wouldn't hesitate to take the IHS off and crank the volts up either ! lol

Manoj

11-03-2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Major Slaughter
I would not hesitate to buy either the FX or the P4EE IF I had the money right now.:D This is the first time in years that I don't have the money to buy new toys ! that sukz !!

P.S. I wouldn't hesitate to take the IHS off and crank the volts up either ! lol

Only rich guys will buy a $1000 CPU and take the IHS off. It is like take a $1000 note and burning it with a lighter.

Buy it and then destroy it in a few seconds. He He!!!

Dr.Demonic69

11-03-2003, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
no such thing as too much. computing and overclocking is a hobby and people who have the money can buy it. my opinion is do what floats your boat. heck there are way more expensiuve hobbies then overclocking such as boating, nitro r\c car racing, ect but people still spend fortunes to get what makes them happy. if you have money and not use it what is the point of having it?

I got the money to buy the P4 EE but i just dont see the point of why i should buy it.

My current setup is fast enough to play any game right now and probably 2 years in future from today. I did what every smart person would do get a 1700xp and overclock it to 2.4ghz (air) and your set. Throw in a 9800 pro do a simple vmod and your set at 500mhz core after modding it with a cpu heatsink.

Now my system is fast as hell and i wont probably need to upgrade for 2 years. I think P4 EE is for people who are in a competition to prove who's the fastest, or the ONE , to be first in futuremark and to prove something. There is a big war out there between amd and intel so im sure fans would spend their last dollar to prove one weak.

By the way CrashOv3r1De is that you in the picture??

Speed_Mechanic

11-03-2003, 01:15 PM

Have Alienware build you a rig with a P4EE 3.2 in it, then take out the chip, drop a 3.2C in it. Then sell it again as a next-to-new Alienware rig.

Although if Alienware is receiving these already, then they will be out within the week.

DeathMonk

11-03-2003, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Dr.Demonic69
By the way CrashOv3r1De is that you in the picture?? [/B]

LOL!

You wish!!

That's Amanda Bynes. (I think)

Dr.Demonic69

11-03-2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by DeathMonk
LOL!

You wish!!

That's Amanda Bynes. (I think)

Hey you never know dude. What if its really her??? I bet everyone in here would stop and drull over their cpu's.

Death ++

11-03-2003, 02:13 PM

im already drooling over that pic. i just i hope i dont blow out my cpu in the process...
:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

Death ++

11-03-2003, 02:30 PM

damn, just noticed the sig out of the corner of my eye. it is amanda bynes. oh well, now i know what name to search for pics!

Creative

11-03-2003, 05:34 PM

I dunno no disrepsect but I think everyone who says they are too expensive is just jealous and wants one :D:D

Why do overclockers continue to get bagged when they spend big bucks? As crash said, there are heaps more expensive hobbies - do you think Joe disses Greg when he spends $35K on a new muffler, engine and gearbox for his 1969 Mustang convertible?

I doubt it - so why the comments here?

Cheers :)

corbec

11-03-2003, 05:47 PM

ummm no creative i dont want one. the thought of a 1000$ cpu sickens me. how scared would you be every time you touched it...modded it...removed it and switched heatsinks? how often would you check temps and you would be full of sweat every time you up vcore

Speed_Mechanic

11-03-2003, 05:50 PM

How scared would you be to take a $130,000 car and take it to the dragstrip and race it? How scared would one be to autocross their brand new Porsche 911, one slip and it's trashed... How scared would one be to take their $200,000 boat out when winds are ripe for a sudden storm? ect.ect.

mdzcpa

11-03-2003, 05:51 PM

Well, I'm kinda in the middle. I have the cash to spend, and I don't mind dropping some big dosh on the parts I really want...BUT...I also like to be somewhat smart about it.

Like I said in my earlier example. I can either get top end performance by spending $1200+ on an FX 51 system, or $1000 on a P4EE with my existing hardware and cooling.

Either way, it is a lot of money to be on the bleeding edge. No doubt about it. But I tell ya, this hobby is much cheaper than building and racing my blown 5.0 Mustang by a long shot....not to mention safer.

We all have our hobbies:)

CrashOv3r1De

11-03-2003, 05:55 PM

Yeah that is Amanda Bynes....Everyone lets just clear this up I am a guy lol!

Nick T. 16yrs old Brooklyn, NY

Amanda is 17 right now and is turning 18 on April 3 04 damn 1yr and 7months age difference. Too bad she has a 21yr old boyfriend and lives in CA.

Someday I plan to meet her (applying to Stanford and UCLA during senior year in H.S.)

CrashOv3r1De

11-03-2003, 05:56 PM

Btw check out what I got off ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60&item=3357951321

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2312&item=3358065820

this is what else i spend my money on besides overclocking. heck going to get an autographed poster for bout $30 soon

Dr.Demonic69

11-03-2003, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
Yeah that is Amanda Bynes....Everyone lets just clear this up I am a guy lol!

Nick T. 16yrs old Brooklyn, NY

Amanda is 17 right now and is turning 18 on April 3 04 damn 1yr and 7months age difference. Too bad she has a 21yr old boyfriend and lives in CA.

Someday I plan to meet her (applying to Stanford and UCLA during senior year in H.S.)

Wow i gotta tell you man she looks damn HOTTTTT i get a hard on just by looking at the pic. LOL just being honest.

Iridium192_217

11-03-2003, 05:58 PM

honestly, she doesn't do much for me

CrashOv3r1De

11-03-2003, 06:01 PM

if you were here id smack you for that =D

http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=242447

check out my avatar there i am also crashov3r1de

luihed

11-03-2003, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Iridium192_217
honestly, she doesn't do much for me

I betcha you woudnt kick her off your bed...lol

As for the EE, its worth it if your going for the top of the ORB..... I mean for what we we use the comp, we prolly dont need anything faster tahn a stock 2.4c...... its a hobby and an expensive one at that..... some people can affod more than others and I hate those people that can afford $1000 for a cpu...... K maybe Im just jealose lol.....

Manoj

11-04-2003, 06:57 AM

Has anyone bought or pre-ordered the Pentium IV EE?

JNav89GT

11-04-2003, 07:42 AM

well most of you probably don't remember the race to 1ghz. 1ghz cpus from either Intel or AMD where near 1k back several years ago. I can't remember exactely they price but they were $850+ that's for sure.
Intel is just putting this cpu out to eclipse the AthlonFX which it seems to just do. They will not want to produce many b/c they are expensive to make and probably not as much profit in them(although I don't see how it could cost that much to make the physical cpu, but what do I know)

If people want to spend the $$$ then let them. People value different things. When you boil it all down it comes down to entertainment and self -esteem. Some people gain entertainment out of computers and benchmarking and some people gain self esteem. If they feel that their $$$ is well spent and they are getting a value for their dollar then let them buy whatever they want.

I used to be pure AMD loyal. Now I run both and can appreciate both companies offer quality product. Running them side by side I can see for me which comps do what best and for games my Athlons really hold their own. I think true bang for the $$$ top performer still is AMD1700+or 2500+@2.4-2.5ghz aircooled/NF2 combo over P4 2.4C@3.2-3.4 aircooled and 865/875. I own both of these setups and aside for the $100 or so extra the Intel was I really notice no differences in gaming abilities. They score similar benches and are both damm fast.

What kinda erks me is that when A64 and FX were launched and Mickey, Opp and others got them and started tearing up the 3DMark2001 charts we heard alot of the argument "well they just out spent the competition" and basically the best bang for the $$$ was the 2.4c combo with 865/875 and there is no way they would spend that much on a cpu/mobo combo etc... Well now that P4EE is trickling out a bit and has recaptured the orb we hear "all hail the P4EE King of all cpus etc..." To me the FX is overrated as well and the A64 is where the peformance for $$$ is at for AMD on their top end. The FX isn't mature IMO and the registerd ram thing is a major fubar on their part. Socket 939 can't come soon enough and prices should be at $600 or so not $750 IMO to make it a good viable alternative to Intel.

saaya

11-04-2003, 09:22 AM

lol the P3s were costing 850$ maybe, the athlon 1ghz was like 400$ when it came out

JNav89GT

11-04-2003, 09:50 AM

I don't think so
maybe I'm wrong, but when they first hit I was selling slot A athlon 700's that had 900 cores in them, oc'd(soldered) to 1ghz for $600 on ebay all day long. Wonder if we can pull up old data/reviews on those chips. Anyone know?

Vanrick

11-04-2003, 10:37 AM

A M D 4 L I F E !!!! :toast:

JNav89GT

11-04-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by saaya
lol the P3s were costing 850$ maybe, the athlon 1ghz was like 400$ when it came out

:stick: Athlon Tbird $900 (http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/cpu/thunderbird_1ghz/)
and that was probably a bit cheaper by then as 1ghz was more common

JNav89GT

11-04-2003, 12:02 PM

No offense but alot of people that are §§§§§ing about cpu prices just don't know what us "older" overclockers came from. It wasn't until the Athlon that Intel cpus really became affordable to the average user, at least the pentium series. Budget gamers were relegated to using Celerons which at that time the 300A and the 366fpga were decent performers $ wise vs the P2/P3's of the day.

Here's a clip I found about cpus back then listing prices of the PIII800 at 800-$1,000 per cpu and Athlons of same speed. This was leading up to the 1ghz launch so this is going back several years.
Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1189&p=3)
and finally straight from AMD
AMD price list announcement (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543_552~825,00.html)

mdzcpa

11-04-2003, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by JNav89GT
No offense but alot of people that are §§§§§ing about cpu prices just don't know what us "older" overclockers came from. It wasn't until the Athlon that Intel cpus really became affordable to the average user, at least the pentium series. Budget gamers were relegated to using Celerons which at that time the 300A and the 366fpga were decent performers $ wise vs the P2/P3's of the day.

You got that right. And, to be honest, that really wasn't all too long ago either. Some folks just didn't realize how good we've been having it until lately. But I remember...all too well I'm afraid.

Originally posted by JNav89GT
What kinda erks me is that when A64 and FX were launched and Mickey, Opp and others got them and started tearing up the 3DMark2001 charts we heard alot of the argument "well they just out spent the competition" and basically the best bang for the $$$ was the 2.4c combo with 865/875 and there is no way they would spend that much on a cpu/mobo combo etc... Well now that P4EE is trickling out a bit and has recaptured the orb we hear "all hail the P4EE King of all cpus etc..." To me the FX is overrated as well and the A64 is where the peformance for $$$ is at for AMD on their top end. The FX isn't mature IMO and the registerd ram thing is a major fubar on their part. Socket 939 can't come soon enough and prices should be at $600 or so not $750 IMO to make it a good viable alternative to Intel.

Well, when the prices first came out on the "new" top end FX and EE, I was one of those people §§§§§ing the loudest. Yep...I sure was. I screamed. BUT....it wasn't about competition, and who could outspend who. I don't want to be better or faster than anyone. I just want the best system I can have. Because that's what i like. It's just personal satisfaction. And it's sad that in order to have the best, for any reason, we have returned to the land of the ridiculous price wise.

Unfortunately, for those that want the best, for whatever reason, you have to pay the price or sit it out. That is sad.

More importantly, "the returning" to the "days of old" pricing schemes is just a plain sad turn of events for the enthusiast community as a whole.

Frankly, I'm not worried about it personally....I've got the cash to get what I want. I suppose I'm lucky, but I also know that I've worked very hard in my life for what I have. But, although I can afford this new "upper crust" technology...it still totally sucks. It's not about ego for me. It's not about being "better" or "having better" than anyone else. As you guys know, I really haven't been all that involved in competition...3Dmark or otherwise. Sure...I dabble, but that's about it.

The problem is really about the enthusiast community which had really blossomed under affordable high performance pricing which will be come highly dicotomized into segments of those who can afford the best hardware, and those who cannot. Sure, skill gets you to the top....but the cost of "top of the line" hardware is the entry fee everyone must pay just to get into the game.

You guys might think I'm nuts, and although I probably will get a P4EE (if they ever show up), I wish niether the FX or EE had ever seen the light of day. That's the God's honest truth. We'd all be rippin' it up right now happy as can be with our OC'd AMD 3200+s or OC'd P4s and be quite content. We'd all still be "in the game" and have a shot at having the best in performance for whatever reasons we might have had. Those days are gone now.

saaya

11-04-2003, 04:31 PM

also think about the videocard prices, it seems that this tough competition between ati and nvidia made the prices go up rather than down or am i getting confused?

CrashOv3r1De

11-04-2003, 04:42 PM

I have to agree with mdzcpa. I too can afford to get the best and I do go out and buy it for personal satisfaction. However I am very agrivated at the fact that not everyone here can't afford "the best". These astronomical prices have done nothing but hurt the oc community. As some say people have reached the top of 3DMark by buying out the competition. I am not saying I agree with this but this is what it looks like. It is very sad to see the current prices of highend hardware. These prices have forced many people to remain on their old T-breds instead of going for something new because it is unaffordable to the average person ATM.

Originally posted by mdzcpa
I wish niether the FX or EE had ever seen the light of day.

Id have to disagree because If it werent for the release of the A64 Intel would not have the P4C price drop or not such a big price drop. Intel really owes it to Amd for having the 2100+ beating its early P4's which got them on the right track. I am also very thankful for the release of the A64/FX ...This gives budget tight people a chance to get more of a bang for the buck with the P4C's

hatemi

11-04-2003, 04:59 PM

Every hobby is expensive if you want to be on the top! I have always been bitter to those with the $$$$ to get what they want!
Its just competition these days,,,,, I might be drunk at the moment, but if I had the money I would DEFFINANTLY get 3.2EE! And maeby metter mobo...And maeby a Prommy ....And maeby....
Thats just the way it goes with everything, Money counts and hyou cant compete without it! Mad skilzz can ge you only so far!

mdzcpa

11-04-2003, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
Id have to disagree because If it werent for the release of the A64 Intel would not have the P4C price drop or not such a big price drop. Intel really owes it to Amd for having the 2100+ beating its early P4's which got them on the right track. I am also very thankful for the release of the A64/FX ...This gives budget tight people a chance to get more of a bang for the buck with the P4C's

I think you might have misread my post. I am refering only the the AMD FX and Intel P4 EE. These were never meant to be desktop CPUs. By throwing them into the desktop space, they have created a tier of performance that only a few can afford.

As I mentioned...I love the AMD64. It is the next evolution. It will again spur Intel onward to match it. As I said in my post above "We'd all be rippin' it up right now happy as can be with our OC'd AMD 3200+s or OC'd P4s and be quite content.

Originally posted by hatemi
Every hobby is expensive if you want to be on the top!

That's not the way it has been for the last 2 years for the PC enthusiast. And even if that is the natural way it turns out, that doesn't make it right.

Again, it isn't about me or you being "at the top". It's about the enthusaist community as a whole which will suffer.

Hobocrow

11-04-2003, 05:24 PM

Has anyone seen a P4 3.2EE for sale yet? :confused:

CrashOv3r1De

11-04-2003, 06:07 PM

YEah sorry bout that mdzcpa...They were not meant to be desktops at all. Their supposed to be something that Bill Gates would use for his sons gaming computer =D.

Well IMHO being the top in overclocking is always expensive due to uber cooling. Those who can't make their own but want to be on top are forced to buy prommys and vapos.

mdzcpa

11-04-2003, 06:15 PM

That's a very good point about the cooling.

Oh well....I won't whine anymore about price....I promise:)

BTW, if anyone sees the P4EE surface at a retailer, please hollar out!

JoeBar

11-05-2003, 06:35 AM

I agree with u mdzcpa.

CrashOv3r1De

11-05-2003, 10:20 AM

JoeBar so that means you don't agree with me or what. Hey I don't see my name in bold lol

TheDude

11-05-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by saaya
also think about the videocard prices, it seems that this tough competition between ati and nvidia made the prices go up rather than down or am i getting confused?

Good point...I went to Best Buy last night when my last 9700 Pro died right before my eyes for no apparent reason and popped down $500 for an XT9800. It made me feel a little sick after just watching a $300 card die like that. I would have felt better had I killed the damn thing at least. :D
I have to admit...I would probably pay the grand for an EE if the low multis were unlocked.;)

Manoj

11-05-2003, 02:15 PM

Because many guys are willing to spend $1000 for a CPU, that is why Intel is charging that much.

They know many guys empty out their bank accounts for benchmarks.

As long as we are ready to pay high prices, companies will continue to charge us high prices for their products.

saaya

11-05-2003, 02:17 PM

isnt a non oced xt just 100-200 points faster in 2k1 than a 9800pro @stock speed?

Iridium192_217

11-05-2003, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by TheDude
Good point...I went to Best Buy last night when my last 9700 Pro died right before my eyes for no apparent reason and popped down $500 for an XT9800. It made me feel a little sick after just watching a $300 card die like that. I would have felt better had I killed the damn thing at least. :D
I have to admit...I would probably pay the grand for an EE if the low multis were unlocked.;)

I hear you can move the multis down, but not up. Does that make it "worthy" in your book?:)

CrashOv3r1De

11-05-2003, 03:10 PM

TheDude just go and buy it make us feel happy =)

TheDude

11-05-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Iridium192_217
I hear you can move the multis down, but not up. Does that make it "worthy" in your book?:)

...I would probably pay the grand for an EE if the low multis were unlocked

Did you miss that last part about the low multis? Yes it would make the difference to me. I could pop it right in my Asus board and use my existing ram. In my Bowman modded Mach1 it certainly has enough cooling. The unlocked low multis would be the deciding factor for me. My XT9800Pro is still in the box waiting for a worthy cpu to team up with, as is my new PCP&C 510w PSU.

Hey Crash....buy it where? ;)

CrashOv3r1De

11-05-2003, 03:39 PM

TheDude as soon as it hits stores hehe....

Wow you have a great deal of money. Something I have not noticed before. All you need now is a bowman phasecooling solution for your xt and you can say hello to top 10 for 3dmark =)

TheDude

11-05-2003, 03:43 PM

I'm not rich by any means, but I do already have a Bowman phasechange solution for the XT, a custom built DD/chiller.

CrashOv3r1De

11-05-2003, 03:47 PM

W00r! This is what I like to see. Time for Xtreme to dominate 3Dmark as we always do =)

Will be joining you guys up there. Just made up my mind on an A64 3200+ and going to phase cool/oc the living h*ll out of it. Going to pick up a Bowman 9800Pro gpu and here we go!

TheDude

11-05-2003, 03:52 PM

Yeah...I saw your thread at OC, congrats on the new 64 rig.
:toast:

JoeBar

11-06-2003, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
JoeBar so that means you don't agree with me or what. Hey I don't see my name in bold lol

:lol:
U2 of course m8! :D

Creative

11-06-2003, 05:35 AM

Nov 15th is when the ETA is for us here in Australia :)

Price is $1500AUD or ~$1050USD :D

Manoj

11-06-2003, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by Creative
Nov 15th is when the ETA is for us here in Australia :)

Price is $1500AUD or ~$1050USD :D

We are getting it in December.

However, I may get the AThlon 64 FX-51 sample from my friend.

It will be cheaper to get the sample than to get either a retail or OEM Athlon 64 FX-51 or the Pentium IV 3.2EE.

Can save about $300 to $400.

CrashOv3r1De

11-06-2003, 10:27 AM

Thx TheDude =) Going to have to wait on the mobo for a bit because I am not sure how this is going to turn out.

Btw look at what I just picked up from ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3438773119

getting that instead of my Mach II because I can have to "Bowman mod" and it will give me better temps =)

Hopefully we be seeing the name Bowman more often in the computer industry.

Hey bowman if you read this lets start a business making phase cooling solutions. Prommy style but better =D

prommy_fan

11-06-2003, 11:24 AM

congrats CrashOv3r1De
Also hunted for this unit but missed auction end, lucky ya :slobber:

CrashOv3r1De

11-06-2003, 03:13 PM

sorry bout that prommy fan...had to cut a deal w/ seller. only bad part its another $75 for shipping. guy claims to be in hawaii. but hey whatever. to my knowledge shipping is $30 but no point of argueing. guess since he is in hawaii so such thing as "ground shipping" so it does cost more lol.

like your avatar btw

CrashOv3r1De

11-06-2003, 03:15 PM

anyway its a good deal he has both the amd and p4 cpu kit. bad part was he painted the white unit to black but heck i hate white prommy and i am going to use a lian li mod or the prommy ice mod plz check this out (http://www.hardwaregods.net/ice_kit.html)

TheDude

11-06-2003, 03:36 PM

You saved over $100 providing it's in good shape. I would use a clear top case if I was going with that bottom case. I just did the lian bottom case mod and bought a Lian p-65 top case...very nice case, well made. :D

mdzcpa

11-06-2003, 06:44 PM

Any updated word on when these P4EEs will surface in the US?

CrashOv3r1De

11-06-2003, 07:22 PM

TD yup its in good shape. Well the guy painted it LoL. I hate when people do that so stock sides are out for sure.

Hrm I don't really like transparent top halves their pretty ugly imho with all of the red psu wires and ide cabls all over the place =D

lian li it is =)

td how much did you spend for topand bottom lian li halves and did you buy a premade lianli case or you used the good old dremel for the cutting

TheDude

11-06-2003, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
TD yup its in good shape. Well the guy painted it LoL. I hate when people do that so stock sides are out for sure.

Hrm I don't really like transparent top halves their pretty ugly imho with all of the red psu wires and ide cabls all over the place =D

lian li it is =)

td how much did you spend for topand bottom lian li halves and did you buy a premade lianli case or you used the good old dremel for the cutting

I got the bottom Lian mod kit that comes with the Prommie like XTW sells and ordered the top Lian P-65 case for $169 if I remember the price correctly. All I had to do was cut the hole for the hose in the bottom of the case with a dremel and then drill 4 holes for the bolts to attach top and bottom.
I have a complete Mach2 review that will be published here in a week or so that includes step by step pics of complete install including the lian kit. ;)

prommy_fan

11-07-2003, 02:57 AM

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
Well the guy painted it LoL. I hate when people do that so stock sides are out for sure.

Real LOL :D I also noticed something strange with this prommie's side panels - too shiny :)

http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/d8/bb/72_1.JPG
wires are reflected like in a mirror :)

but CrashOv3r1De u want ICE-Kit from hardwaregods or lian li kit? both are great imho. but lianli is a lil' bit exprensive :)

like your avatar btw
thanks! also like it (prommy) :)

CrashOv3r1De

11-07-2003, 07:58 AM

Well I have the money. I was considering of buying a Mach II before but then I thought why not pick up a Mach I and get some bowman mods for it....This will compete head to head w/ a mach ii.

Not sure what I am going to do as for the bottom half. ICe kit looks really nice but so does the lian li. Right now I don't feel like investing some $$ in a dremel, drill, jigsaw, ect so I am going to get a premodded top case.

TD: Mach II??? I thought you were using the Mach I w/ bowman mods

I was thinking ICE bottom w/ lianli top but i am not sure if that will look good or not. Can't picture it in my head rofls. Right now I am sending this from school. (my math teacher is out so i am cutting lol)

I guess I have to look @ more pics of prommys online to decide what I really want. One thing is for sure....I won't be using the ugly Lianli case

CrashOv3r1De

11-07-2003, 07:59 AM

I should become a prommy reseller and I think I will. I know I can beat everyones prices for sure. I was thinking Ill sell top and bottom half, cpu kit, lcd for like <secret>. But if I become a reseller maybe in a few months not right now.

TheDude

11-07-2003, 08:27 AM

I thought you were using the Mach I w/ bowman mods

Bowman did mod my Mach1...I also have a Mach2 that I am putting together right now with the lian and I have a custom built Direct Die / subzero chiller hand made by Mr. Bowman that I named "Crossbow".:D

And my double stacked watercooling rig that I installed into the wall and a custom case air cooled rig with a Dragon design case window and paint job......etc.....it's an addiction.

prommy_fan

11-07-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
I should become a prommy reseller and I think I will. I know I can beat everyones prices for sure. I was thinking Ill sell top and bottom half, cpu kit, lcd for like $925 + shipping. But if I become a reseller maybe in a few months not right now.

don't think it's a piece of cake - if it was a half of XS members would be resellers ;)

Congrats with ur mach1! Hope u will have phun as we all are :D

CrashOv3r1De

11-07-2003, 10:17 AM

Dude I don't care what you say but you are rich....

Reasons for asumption
-Bought a 9800 XT ($450~500)
-Mach I ($500~600)
-Bowman mods ($230~350)
-Mach II ($950~1,100)
-Bowman phase change system ($300~450)
-intrested in buying a P4 3.2EE ($1k)

CrashOv3r1De

11-07-2003, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by prommy_fan
don't think it's a piece of cake - if it was a half of XS members would be resellers ;)

Congrats with ur mach1! Hope u will have phun as we all are :D

It is a piece of cake. I already had words with the manager. He said he will accept me as a reseller and the prices are very good. Posting reseller prices is illegal so I am notgoing to do it....You have to have the money to buy like 6units up front and not even one wants to invest $X,000 so thats why their not doing. Also they have to read your resume.....

Manoj

11-07-2003, 10:21 AM

TheDude

11-07-2003, 10:21 AM

Not rich...I used some of the money from the sale of my motorcycle since I cannot ride anymore due to back problems.

Now that you've listed some of my spending...I realize I should probably stop now! :D

Manoj

11-07-2003, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by TheDude
Not rich...I used some of the money from the sale of my motorcycle since I cannot ride anymore due to back problems.

Oh I see.

But still, instead of saving it for your future, you easily are spending it on computers shows, that you really don't need to worry about the future.

That is nice to know.

TheDude

11-07-2003, 10:25 AM

I may not be here tomorrow, so I live today as best I can. :D

Manoj

11-07-2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by TheDude
I may not be here tomorrow, so I live today as best I can. :D

Before I was married I was always saying that.

Now that I am married, I can't only think about myself. I have to think about my wife and soon when I have children, I have to think about them too.

TheDude

11-07-2003, 10:29 AM

I forgot what this thread was about? :confused:

prommy_fan

11-07-2003, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
It is a piece of cake. I already had words with the manager. He said he will accept me as a reseller and the prices are very good. Posting reseller prices is illegal so I am notgoing to do it....You have to have the money to buy like 6units up front and not even one wants to invest $X,000 so thats why their not doing. Also they have to read your resume.....

Hehe - I pressume u own X.000$? :D

And will be ur reseller... and so on and so on... :)

HEy people seriously - when p4 3.2 XE will hit da shelfs of shops?

TheDude

11-07-2003, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Manoj
Before I was married I was always saying that.

Now that I am married, I can't only think about myself. I have to think about my wife and soon when I have children, I have to think about them too.

You need to realize....I've been there, done that already...my son is probably your age or older. This is my time. I already paid my dues. :D

Manoj

11-07-2003, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by TheDude
You need to realize....I've been there, done that already...my son is probably your age or older. This is my time. I already paid my dues. :D

My apologies.

I thought you were my age.

I have a long way to go until I can be free from my responsibilities.

prommy_fan

11-07-2003, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by TheDude
You need to realize....I've been there, done that already...my son is probably your age or older. This is my time. I already paid my dues. :D
Heh - remind me a moment I saw on Discovery - it was about Lux. cars - Jaguar. A man ,(I aged him - 60 not more than 65) was sitting in his 300k $ Jaguar and said - When I was younger I couldn't afford this car and I didn't need it. But now I completed all my duties and I'm living for myself"

sandman

11-07-2003, 12:36 PM

Why do you care what he spends his money on?

And, Crash you seem to drop a lot of money on computer as well.

Anyway, back to the topic.

CrashOv3r1De

11-07-2003, 04:00 PM

Sandman well I am not telling him what to buy or what not to buy. I am just telling him that he is rich but he is denying it =D. As I say it turning trash into cash. I made over 1k from selling some junk i had :xbpx, a7n8x deluxe, ect haha guess me and TD have a lot in common.

Originally posted by TheDude
I may not be here tomorrow, so I live today as best I can. :D

yeah i h8 thinking about death myself. im only 16 and thinking about it scares the living **** out of me. I know I am too young to be thinking about this but I sometimes do when I am alone or before I fall asleep.....Its even worse for me because I don't believe in god or anything like that so no comfort from that.....

anyways live life to the fullest :banana:

back to topic m8's (i love saying that even though i am not australian)

bowman1964

11-07-2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
Dude I don't care what you say but you are rich....

Reasons for asumption
-Bought a 9800 XT ($450~500)
-Mach I ($500~600)
-Bowman mods ($230~350)
-Mach II ($950~1,100)
-Bowman phase change system ($300~450)
-intrested in buying a P4 3.2EE ($1k)

please do not post prices about mods i have or have not done.
i do not speak about any fees for any mods in any of the forums.

please pm me,about these ,but as of right now i am not doing any mods.so the pricing is mute.

i hope you understand.

TheDude

11-07-2003, 04:30 PM

It's kind of funny, that he thinks he knows what I paid for everything. I don't know where he pulled some of those numbers from, but I hope he washed his hands afterwards. :D

CrashOv3r1De

11-07-2003, 04:32 PM

Sorry bout that guys.

Im just making guesses =(

TheDude

11-07-2003, 04:56 PM

Crash...

My last comment on this, I hope it helps. First....it's kind of rude to pry into people's personal finances like that. That alone gives me a good idea as to your age. Also...rich is realative, I'm 49 yrs old, I have a house, several cars and a few nice toys that I worked hard to pay for. I've been working since I was 15 yrs old. I have a decent job that pays me less than 6 figures and so does my wife. She has her bills and handles her own money and spends it on whatever she likes and so do I. Now when I was in my twenties, I didn't have much or make as much money as I do now. I think it's fairly normal for our incomes to go up with our age and to acquire more "stuff" as time goes on, but I certainly don't consider myself rich by any means. I wish you were right about that....going back to number one...if you were right it would still be rude to bring it up in public.
I post when I buy some new computer part because I'm excited about it and I want to share the experience with you guys and talk about it. It never even occurred to me that anyone would be keeping track of my expendatures or even want to. I think in the future I will try to keep such things more to myself.

Peen

11-07-2003, 06:19 PM

None of that stuff means ur rich, its a hobby and he loves doing it , simple as that. This is really one of the cheapest hobbys ive done. Like , ive spent well over well over 13k on dirtbikes, just from a simple job that pays 8bucks an hour. I also had those Nitro R/C cars that cost an arm and a leg. Im also, by no means rich and can afford all these goody's (wish i was really rich though) Crash things are different when u have a job. Sometimes u gotta work hella hard to get stuff:eek:

Edit: Oh and my TRUCK! those old restores, talk about costing alot of money@ ;)

bmg

11-07-2003, 06:51 PM

Dude-Nice to know I'm not the only old guy around here. I'm 54 and have 4 kids and 6 grandkids. My oldest son is 30 and my youngest daughter is 21 and a senior in college.

Manoj

11-07-2003, 08:50 PM

I should let me wife read this.

She says I am getting too old to play with computer hardware.

He He. After reading this I can tell her that I have a long way to go.

Sorry for everything guys. Lets just enjoy life the way we like and get on with it.

CrashOv3r1De

11-08-2003, 10:16 AM

Sorry bout that TD...I never looked at all of this from your perspective.

I guess i consider all of these "rich buys" since I don't have a job or anything like that. Can't wait til im 18 so i can take out my 10k...w00t!

Manoj

11-08-2003, 10:25 AM

Anyway, has anyone seen the Pentium IV 3.2EE in stock anyway or at least on pre-order?

Speed_Mechanic

11-08-2003, 11:13 AM

Nothing but rumurs of further delay. Voodoo and Alienware are shipping limited-quantities (in pre-built's) but Dell has them delayed to end of November.

TheDude

11-08-2003, 11:30 AM

I spent hours searching the web last night and came up empty. :(
Guess it will be a while before we see the EE available.

I did buy a Plexor DVD burner...Crash...:D LOL

CrashOv3r1De

11-08-2003, 11:45 AM

LoL....Cool :) I guess I am not intrested in CDX anymore. Before I used to get so excited when I saw a 52x cdrw or a dvd burner but ever since I got my 52x lite on for about $35 I dont even look at that anymore. My mom's boyfriend has like 2-3k dvds so I have no use for one.

TD do you have a plasma t.v. by anychance?

CrashOv3r1De

11-08-2003, 11:47 AM

LoL I love looking at my avatar

TheDude

11-08-2003, 11:48 AM

Nope ..no plasma...don't watch a lot of TV. Nice thing about the DVD is the large cap disks. I can do awesome backups now.

CrashOv3r1De

11-08-2003, 12:08 PM

Yeah that is true. I'll confess: When I was like 13 I used to do a lot of downloading. Some of it was not that kosher so I needed lots of backup capacity. Now I just game, oc, and look at pics of amanda bynes so I dont reall need that much storage. I rarely use my cdrw

Hobocrow

11-08-2003, 02:30 PM

I found this info on the Intel website, but didn't link it and was really deep into page after page.

Anyways : Boxed Intel Processor, 3.2 Ghz XE, 2mB L3 cache,
Product code: BX532PG3200F

All searches found nadda! :rolleyes:

Iridium192_217

11-08-2003, 05:20 PM

I really hope theres some sort of price drop for this chip before Christmas so I have a chance of getting one.

JoeBar

11-09-2003, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by Iridium192_217
I really hope theres some sort of price drop for this chip before Christmas so I have a chance of getting one.

Amen to that... :banana:

Manoj

11-09-2003, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by JoeBar
Amen to that... :banana:

I got the price list today.

The early retail stock will cost about US $1100 and about a month later we are looking at a price of $900.

CrashOv3r1De

11-09-2003, 06:53 PM

$900 seems fair for a CPU on that level. Still waiting for a bit before I make a decision. Have to see what AMD is going to come up with.

Soulburner

11-09-2003, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
$900 seems fair for a CPU on that level. Still waiting for a bit before I make a decision. Have to see what AMD is going to come up with.
Not really considering its still locked. :mad:

Creative

11-09-2003, 07:20 PM

Is this 100% confirmed?

TheDude

11-09-2003, 07:45 PM

I'm seriously thinking of getting a 64...can't decide if it's worth it now?

Manoj

11-09-2003, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by TheDude
I'm seriously thinking of getting a 64...can't decide if it's worth it now?

I am also considering the Athlon 64 FX - 51 it is working out cheaper to build it compared to the Intel Pentium IV 3.2 EE system.

TheDude

11-09-2003, 08:03 PM

Manoj,

What mobo are you considering for the 64?

ElonB

11-09-2003, 08:06 PM

uhm, http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/ speaks of a P4 XE (ee?)3.4 ghz?

Does anyone know something about it?

Manoj

11-09-2003, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by TheDude
Manoj,

What mobo are you considering for the 64?

Before I was only thinking of the Asus SK8N but now I am seriously thinking about the Asus SK8V.

The VIA motherboard if not overclocking is faster than the nforce3 motherboard.

The VIA motherboard has issues when overclocking because of the AGP/PCI not able to be locked. However, with the Athlon 64 FX - 51 being unlocked and you can raise the CPU multiplier, it will be okay with the VIA motherboard. At the most the VIA motherboard runs at full spec 800mhz compared to nforce3 600mhz.

I can't get the Gigabyte K8NNXP 940 as my Asus Radeon 9800XT will not work with the Gigabyte K8NNXP 940. It didn't work in the Gigabyte K8NNXP (Socket 754) and many have complained that it doesn't work in any other Gigabyte motherboard. So I will skip the Gigabyte board and get one from Asus only.

TheDude

11-09-2003, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by ElonB
uhm, http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/ speaks of a P4 XE (ee?)3.4 ghz?

Does anyone know something about it?

It's a Pentium 4 with 2MB of L3 Cache added to the 512KB L2 Cache....mostly aimed at gamers

Manoj

11-09-2003, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by ElonB
uhm, http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/ speaks of a P4 XE (ee?)3.4 ghz?

Does anyone know something about it?

3.4Ghz EE?

The 3.2Ghz EE is not even available yet and it will cost about $1100 once in stock.

I wonder how much the 3.4EE will cost? $1300???

TheDude

11-09-2003, 08:18 PM

Manoj,

I have the ATI XT9800....any issues with that card that you know of and certain 64 mobos?

Manoj

11-09-2003, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by TheDude
Manoj,

I have the ATI XT9800....any issues with that card that you know of and certain 64 mobos?

No only the Asus Radeon 9800XT.

I think either the Asus Radeon 9800XT needs a bios update or the Giabyte motherboards.

The latest Gigabyte motherboards don't show the +5V readings in their hardware monitor. However, if you use a software hardware monitor it shows a reading of +4.5V or something. This is incorrect of course but a bios update needs to fix that.

The Asus Radeon 9800 XT has a hardware monitor built on it. So may be the hardware monitor is detecting the incorrect +5V rail or an incorrect +3.3V rail on the Gigabyte motherboard.

As far as I know the original ATI Radeon 9800XT has no issues working on the Gigabyte motherboards. Just the Asus model and I am sure it is because of the hardware monitor.

So if you have the Asus Radeon 9800XT avoid the Gigabyte montherboards.

TheDude

11-09-2003, 08:27 PM

Thanks...I wish there was a better mobo selection for the 64 right now...that's what is holding me back...pretty crappy bios in the Gigabyte from what I hear.

Manoj

11-09-2003, 08:27 PM

I am just confused which rams I should choose for the Athlon 64 FX - 51 system.

1) Corsair PC3200 REg (CL2,2,3,6) 2x 512megs (1GB total)

Corsair doesn't have 2x 256megs option.

http://www.corsairmicro.com/corsair/products/specs/twinx1024re-3200ll.pdf

2) OCZ PC3200 Reg ECC (CL2,2,3,6) 2x 256megs (512megs total)

512megs is enough for what I use my computer for and it is cheaper than getting 2x 512megs.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/OCZ+DDR+PC-3200+ECC+Registered

Which one would you choose?

Manoj

11-09-2003, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by TheDude
Thanks...I wish there was a better mobo selection for the 64 right now...that's what is holding me back...pretty crappy bios in the Gigabyte from what I hear.

You can't go wrong with the Asus SK8N and the Asus SK8V.

Have you checked out the review for the Asus SK8V?

http://www.amdzone.com/articleview.cfm?ArticleID=1363

It is just the Asus K8V Deluxe with Dual Channel DDR and Athlon 64 FX - 51 support.

TheDude

11-09-2003, 08:34 PM

I'd probably go with the 2x256....that combo seems to generally clock better than 2x512 in my own experience.

TheDude

11-09-2003, 08:40 PM

Thanks for the link...Asus looks pretty good. I used to run a lot of Asus boards, then went with Abit right up to my current Asus P4C800-E which I love...Asus always have been very stable boards.

Tedinde

11-09-2003, 09:46 PM

It is a piece of cake. I already had words with the manager. He said he will accept me as a reseller and the prices are very good. Posting reseller prices is illegal so I am notgoing to do it....You have to have the money to buy like 6units up front and not even one wants to invest $X,000 so thats why their not doing. Also they have to read your resume.....

CrashOv3r1De

Not as easy as cake as you think. First you have to sell them. easy enough. If you sell them before you get them and the boat gets here late people get mad. A lot of resellers take orders before they get them

I've got a small computer shop and looked into vapo's last year. reselling.

2nd you gotta get the money However, Pay fees then hope some Axxhat, doesnt reverse whatever credit card charge on you. And then hope whoever ship it doesnt damage it.

If you have to eat the cost of just one of the 6, your screwed.

Posting reseller prices is illegal so I am notgoing to do it.

Not illegal, you just one be a reseller with them if you find out.

But good luck if you go into it. A lot of companies that were selling them in the past year and resellers just change like crazy.