Be afraid....be VERY afraid. FX-51 Pg #1Benching much better this morning ??!! [Archive]

Tettejaak

11-02-2003, 10:03 AM

Some more questions: How is this cooled? Dry ice allready??
If you could Vmod the board, give the cpu 2V, bench @3ghz+,... just imagine:D This would be possible easy enough if the Vmods work. Some higher raddy clocks and i think it would be possible to hit #1

Dr.Demonic69

11-02-2003, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by Drisler
What's this http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7181053

29k GeForce3 Ti 200 O_o

Perfect example how people can really cheat with this 2001 futuremark. There is no way in hell a gf3 can score that much with a 2.2ghz processor. If you really believe its true then i must say take a common sense exam because you'd be one of those guys who would jump of the building because he saw it on a commercial, i think edward really belives its true and said "wow who knew gf3 would be first to break 30k" . Cmon dude how low can your mind get??? I just knew it this whole time people are really using some cheating programs so they get a higher score and no wonder they all ignore 03 mark maybe i guess its harder to cheat with that one. Cmon Honestly do you really actually believe 30k with gf3??? Please say NO

Stang_Man

11-02-2003, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Dr.Demonic69
Perfect example how people can really cheat with this 2001 futuremark. There is no way in hell a gf3 can score that much with a 2.2ghz processor. If you really believe its true then i must say take a common sense exam because you'd be one of those guys who would jump of the building because he saw it on a commercial, i think edward really belives its true and said "wow who knew gf3 would be first to break 30k" . Cmon dude how low can your mind get??? I just knew it this whole time people are really using some cheating programs so they get a higher score and no wonder they all ignore 03 mark maybe i guess its harder to cheat with that one. Cmon Honestly do you really actually believe 30k with gf3??? Please say NO

dude, chill out

charlie

11-02-2003, 10:27 AM

Dr D,
I'm sure he's kidding, man. S-A-R-C-A-S-M.............

Well, It appears I'm at another roadblock, upping Rad clocks doesn't seem to increase score?? I can run artifact-free at 540/437 but the scores are worse??!! Also, when I disable fast writes in BIOS, the Powerstrip won't work?? Gives me n/a for clockspeeds even when refreshed. Oh well... it's time for football, time for me to get "unplugged" if you all know what I mean. Will hit it again this eve or tommorrow.
Thanks for the help, everyone!!

C

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Dojo | Warlord

11-02-2003, 11:24 AM

did anyone notice this...?

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7181053

Driver Name: NVIDIA Corporat NV45

?!?!?!:eek: :eek: :eek: ?!?!??

charlie

11-02-2003, 11:39 AM

looking at the tests themselves...the guy just hacked the chipset name....it's just a ti200 benchie with a "cheat" Car Lo
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JCviggen

11-02-2003, 11:40 AM

he has a bugged car test, all his other rests are really low. and besides no matter what gfx card, that system can never get 29K... bottleneck isnt graphics

Marquzz

11-02-2003, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Dojo | Warlord
did anyone notice this...?

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7181053

Driver Name: NVIDIA Corporat NV45

?!?!?!:eek: :eek: :eek: ?!?!??

You can write whatever you want, just edit a file in the driver...

Drisler

11-02-2003, 12:55 PM

baker18

11-02-2003, 12:58 PM

Great job. Now time to supercool this puppy.

baker18

pik-ard v1.1

11-02-2003, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Dojo | Warlord
did anyone notice this...?

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7181053

Driver Name: NVIDIA Corporat NV45

?!?!?!:eek: :eek: :eek: ?!?!??
he has another one, slight lower yes... but still
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7180790

charlie

11-02-2003, 01:41 PM

Yeah Jason,
That's awfully pretty! My 9800 appears to be at about -50C, though...I think it needs more voltage. I'm also going to play with drivers and BIOS optimizations and maybe a different Vgpu OC tool.
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STEvil

11-02-2003, 02:10 PM

Get your scores working yet? Mine were doing that too, but all I had to do was reinstall the driver and it kicked back up to where it should be.

charlie

11-02-2003, 02:28 PM

I'm going to put the CPU back on air while I work on the VC overclock with drivers and such....will look at Vgpu mod also...
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KingInge2000

11-02-2003, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by charlie
I'm going to put the CPU back on air while I work on the VC overclock with drivers and such....will look at Vgpu mod also...
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Whats your target? Fugger?

charlie

11-02-2003, 02:37 PM

target, FUGGER? LMAO...
I wish.....
In all honesty, I don't know how high it'll go. I wish one of the 3DMark calculation experts like Macci, JCViggen or Opp would look at my clocks and score and then they could probably tell ME what kinda' score it's capable of.
But 26,062 at 2637mHz and 520/425 is pretty good with WinXP
I know for a fact I can bench CPU at 2800mHz, and I'm hoping the 9800XT will do 570/440....do the math guys, what should it do?
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7181819
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KingInge2000

11-02-2003, 02:49 PM

Upps, I thought 600 MHz GPU and 3 GHz or did i mix s.th. up?
W2K, Cat 3.5 lean system i'd say around 27,5k. But i guess your running async? Thats a big - but DC will give you a little +.
27k?

charlie

11-02-2003, 02:52 PM

It doesn't seem possible to run <cat 3.7 on the 9800XT. I'm going to get Win2K this week, and will Vmod the mobo AND 9800XT.
IF I could run 600/440 with Win2K @ 3gHz I'm sure it'd be 28.5K
No, it's sync...220mHz 1:1, DDR440

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KingInge2000

11-02-2003, 03:03 PM

It doesn't seem possible to run <cat 3.7 on the 9800XT.
Flash a 9800 Pro Bios. :D

IF I could run 600/440 with Win2K @ 3gHz I'm sure it'd be 28.5K
I'd say this should be enough to break 29k

No, it's sync...220mHz 1:1, DDR440
Should be enough to break the 27k with 2.8Ghz and 570/440.

charlie

11-03-2003, 12:41 AM

OK....
Finished all the Vmods....pheewww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
They're all easy EXCEPT the SK8N Vcore mod...OMG, what a pain. Thus is the master queen BIOTCH of all Vmods. it took me 2 hors of trying and trying....it's this TINY 28 pin little IC....
Now I have the board adjusted to 3.11Vdimm/1.808Vcore.

BIG question, when I don't want to use the Vmods, can I just unhook the ground to the pot???????? Will this disable the mod????
Thanks!
C

JCviggen

11-03-2003, 12:54 AM

yes when you remove ground voltage will be stock again :)

charlie

11-03-2003, 01:52 AM

Thanks!
That or I'll just set the BIOS Vcore to like 1.500 or 1.400...
Also did the 9800XT Vgpu, so I'll try that tommorrow with some Dry Ice...
I may also re-install the O/S and drivers, as this setup starts acting a bit strange after a few hours of benching??
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EQuito

11-03-2003, 02:14 AM

YGPM

JCviggen

11-03-2003, 03:18 AM

i just got in the SK8V :)

Ill let you know how it does

Iridium192_217

11-03-2003, 03:56 AM

im eagerly awaiting 27k, I bet you can do it

charlie

11-03-2003, 08:51 AM

JCV,
Excellent, can't wait to hear how it performs! Better BIOS? Overclock/Volt options??

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JCviggen

11-03-2003, 08:59 AM

Vddr goes to 2.80, but Vcore only 1.70 :( gives 1.72V real.
It also has the 2.5-2.6V option, and i can actually run my mem at 2-5-2-2 on this ! gets higher FSB than the SK8N, i havent been able to compare much performance yet though but it should be faster.

Also, clockgen FSB setting works fine on this thing and the multis work too :)

charlie

11-03-2003, 09:33 AM

JCV,
Awesome. This may be "the" board for us FX'ers. :D

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Major

11-03-2003, 09:49 AM

Charlie glad to see your on a roll with the FX !!! :toast:

charlie

11-03-2003, 10:05 AM

Thanks, Major.
I'll bench more later after work. I have all voltages available now, so I'll try to push things a bit farther. Thinking of trying the leaked cat 3.9's... with the 3.8CP. Very strange yesterday, at 2700 and 540/430 I was scoring less than 2630 525/425 with no artifacts?
Maybe a little Vgpu will help? Win2K will certainly help and maybe some deeper Windows optimizations. I HAVE noticed my best runs are right after a fresh O/S install....
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Edward2

11-03-2003, 12:16 PM

Good luck Charlie. It sounds like you are definitely doing all the right things to maximize your oc'ing and 3dmark score. As always, keep us updated.

KingInge2000

11-03-2003, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by charlie
Thanks, Major.
I'll bench more later after work. I have all voltages available now, so I'll try to push things a bit farther. Thinking of trying the leaked cat 3.9's... with the 3.8CP. Very strange yesterday, at 2700 and 540/430 I was scoring less than 2630 525/425 with no artifacts?

Watch ya car low!

Maybe a little Vgpu will help? Win2K will certainly help and maybe some deeper Windows optimizations. I HAVE noticed my best runs are right after a fresh O/S install....
C
If you're not touching anythink in your W2K it shouldn't matter.
My 23,9K run was the 20th run or so.
Read the 3DMark guide. It's old but it's still for AMD.

charlie

11-04-2003, 12:06 AM

All,
thanks for all the suggestions...I'm having quite a bit of problems with the 9800XT...it just don't clock worth a sh*t. Here's how I'm progressing so far:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7187876

Albigger

11-04-2003, 01:11 AM

What was the XT clocked at for that run?

charlie

11-04-2003, 01:21 AM

535/425 :( @1.95V

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Walrusbonzo

11-04-2003, 01:24 AM

Did you say you've got the VGPU at 1.8v? You are coolin it with a r404a Vapochill?

Try 2v man! I did on my watercooled 9800SE AIW softmodded to 9800Pro AIW :)

STEvil

11-04-2003, 01:41 AM

charlie - can you up your 5v rail at all?

JCviggen

11-04-2003, 04:18 AM

Charlie,

The SK8V is about 400 pts better ithan the SK8N in 3D01 when i use 412/365 clocks. It has slightly better CPU OC which is sadly nulliefied on my board by the lack of Vcore - and the fact i cant mod it.
I can get it to 221-222 DC 1:1 2-2-2-5. and around 230 at 2-2-3-6. It definately has potential. at 220x13 I get the same scores as i used to get 225x13 on the SK8N.
With a Vddr mod it might go higher.

Funny thing though, i cant run 200 MHz fastest timings, but it will run 220 fastest timings no prob... i have a feeling that stronger timings are being used somewhere at default speeds.

macci

11-04-2003, 04:37 AM

It would be a normal ASUS trick to run aggressive timings at stock FSB. :)

JC, that is with Corsair reg. RAM rite? And it wouldn't do 2-2-2-5 much at all on SK8N?
So with Vmods etc maybe even 240 2-2-2-5 might be possible on this board? =)

Still I wonder if the FX chips are acutally faster at all clock to clock when compared to A64 in MArk2001.
For instance LArdArse just hit over 176 lobby hi with A64 at only 2.66G. ;)

JCviggen

11-04-2003, 04:43 AM

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7188338

note the 173 FPS lobby high at only 412/365 definately faster than SK8N, i ran 2925 MHz and 225 FSB on that one to end up with 172 on a good run. Also an easy car high of 140. And this windows install is f*cked up, every test takes 3x longer to load and opening 3Dmark takes a minute lol

I think the FX is an immensely powerful chip, way better than the P4EE, only limited by platform

Iridium192_217

11-04-2003, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by JCviggen
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7188338

note the 173 FPS lobby high at only 412/365 definately faster than SK8N, i ran 2925 MHz and 225 FSB on that one to end up with 172 on a good run. Also an easy car high of 140. And this windows install is f*cked up, every test takes 3x longer to load and opening 3Dmark takes a minute lol

I think the FX is an immensely powerful chip, way better than the P4EE, only limited by platform

Im yet to see 29k out of any fx chip...

Iridium192_217

11-04-2003, 06:17 AM

are you saying that the chipset somehow limits your ability to oc the video card?

JCviggen

11-04-2003, 06:22 AM

Iridium, 29K has been broken for what, a whole 2 days :rolleyes: to suggest the problem lies with the FX is rediculous, nobody has yet undertaken any attempt like FUGGERs so far with the FX. I am sure when OPP fires up a cascade and a 507 cooler on the radeon hes going to get damn close and/or pass the EE score.

Iridium192_217

11-04-2003, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by JCviggen
Iridium, 29K has been broken for what, a whole 2 days :rolleyes: to suggest the problem lies with the FX is rediculous, nobody has yet undertaken any attempt like FUGGERs so far with the FX. I am sure when OPP fires up a cascade and a 507 cooler on the radeon hes going to get damn close and/or pass the EE score.

So you just spent well over $1,000 just so you could overclock the cpu? Why don't you bench with it? Regardless of what you say is better, remember one thing, the numbers never lie. Look at charlie, he hasnt broken 27k yet...

JCviggen

11-04-2003, 06:43 AM

I do this for my work, if it was my personal stuff which i paid for i would mod the crap out of it and bench.

With a single phase change unit i can equal FUGGERs bench at default XT speeds and 4.37 GHz EE if i remember right. This is with only 220 FSB compared to his 285.
If OPP can go 230+ FSB and 3 GHz+ in captain"s cascade he can beat the EE score on equal gfx clocks. They are pretty evenly matched for performance.

if you dont understand 3Dmark then dont make comments on it that dont make sense, charlies setup is limited in several ways, it has nothing to do with which CPU it is

Iridium192_217

11-04-2003, 07:12 AM

you oc for a living?

I find it hard to be limited with volt mods & dry ice.

JCviggen

11-04-2003, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Iridium192_217
you oc for a living?

I find it hard to be limited with volt mods & dry ice.

yup...sucks to be me eh :p: :D

I am limited to phase change and no mods...generally speaking

xgman

11-04-2003, 07:30 AM

All I know is that this FX chip is deperate for a good board, Why do they all tout their "great overclocking features" and then only give us 1.7vcore. I just don't like these asus boards. I never thought I would be entertaining a Leadtek MB, but after a few weeks with a couple sk8n's I am getting a bit desperate myself.

xgman

11-04-2003, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by JCviggen
Charlie,

The SK8V is about 400 pts better ithan the SK8N in 3D01 when i use 412/365 clocks. It has slightly better CPU OC which is sadly nulliefied on my board by the lack of Vcore - and the fact i cant mod it.
I can get it to 221-222 DC 1:1 2-2-2-5. and around 230 at 2-2-3-6. It definately has potential. at 220x13 I get the same scores as i used to get 225x13 on the SK8N.
With a Vddr mod it might go higher.

Funny thing though, i cant run 200 MHz fastest timings, but it will run 220 fastest timings no prob... i have a feeling that stronger timings are being used somewhere at default speeds.

have you found a vmem mod point? Which model/size ram are you using?

Iridium192_217

11-04-2003, 07:55 AM

limited refered to what you said, "charlie is limited in his setup...."

charlie

11-04-2003, 08:04 AM

JCViggen/Macci,
Looking at my #'s, with a 585/425 vid card and win2K what would the score be?
And a couple details,
My cooling isn't THAT great. In BIOS my temps go up to -7ish when benching...only a bit better than a Prommy. I'm still running WinXP....probably #1 WinXP AMD on the ORB. The video OC...I'm baffled, I have great contact, great temps, have used up to 1.95V and just can't get over 540. With my Vmods I was doing 12 x 231, but upped the multi for more CPU speed. Has anyone tried the leaked 3.9's? I may exchange this XT out for another...after all, some have good cores (fuggers) and some don't (mine).
But overall I think this chip is massively powerful. I've barely scratched the surface with my modest OC prowess, with time and more skill this CPU will shine.
C

macci

11-04-2003, 08:22 AM

With a single phase change unit i can equal FUGGERs bench at default XT speeds and 4.37 GHz EE if i remember right. This is with only 220 FSB compared to his 285.
Fuggers stock 9800XT bench is at 4.28G with single phase change too. And if we take a look at system scores his lobbys are at 365/180.5 and your AFX lobbys are at 355.4/173.2. Fugger is running RAM at 228MHz DC and your running it at 222DC.

So things are pretty equal there - P4EE a bit faster with currently available mobos and RAM. I find it difficult to understand how the FX is "way better than the P4EE"

LardArse

11-04-2003, 08:26 AM

Charlie, what LDT speed are you using? When I run high FSBs on the A64 NF3, I need to up VLDT and also drop to 2X/400 instead of 2.5x in order to get good oc on my radeon. Try more VLDT, more VDD, and more VAGP.
I have done all the mods on my board, but its just a bare socket staring at me without an FX :D
The full vmods for the mobo is here.
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/?i=202&s=1

jmke

11-04-2003, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by JCviggen
yup...sucks to be me eh :p: :D

I am limited to phase change and no mods...generally speaking

where exactly do you work? :)
interested in that !

JCviggen

11-04-2003, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by macci
Fuggers stock 9800XT bench is at 4.28G with single phase change too. And if we take a look at system scores his lobbys are at 365/180.5 and your AFX lobbys are at 355.4/173.2. Fugger is running RAM at 228MHz DC and your running it at 222DC.

So things are pretty equal there - P4EE a bit faster with currently available mobos and RAM. I find it difficult to understand how the FX is "way better than the P4EE"

285 5:4 is just a TAD faster than 228 1:1...

I have a 145 FPS car high and 174 FPS lobby high now at just under 2.9 GHz... 221.8 FSB. if i could bench at 285 5:4 on this chipset I am sure i would go faster lol

The boards just dont OC for §§§§ at this point...and they all leave out at least one important option.

Besides you need to look future-wise, with on-die memory controller the FX scales much better than any P4 including that 2 MB L3 Xeon... it has DOUBLE the cache and its hardly faster after all...

the 2.4 GHz FX will gain much more from its 200 MHz than the EE goign from 3.2 to 3.4, and i am not even mentioning price and availability :(

But i should be able to have hands-on experience with an EE soon no matter what happens

macci

11-04-2003, 08:37 AM

JC, 285 5:4 is actually slower than 228 1:1 on P4 (if same CPU speed is used - this is the case on P4C800 atleast) :P

ANd on A64 platforms FSB doesn't seem to mean anything, only RAM speed makes difference. so even if you could bench at 285 5:4 it wouldn't be any faster than 228 1:1

JCviggen

11-04-2003, 08:40 AM

well higher FSB always seemed faster to me, but its hard to try it without an unlocked CPU sadly.

Still, the Canterwood is like the untimate P4 chipset, the ones for the K8 right now feel like they are bits and pieces stuck together with glue lol

charlie

11-04-2003, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by LardArse
Charlie, what LDT speed are you using? When I run high FSBs on the A64 NF3, I need to up VLDT and also drop to 2X/400 instead of 2.5x in order to get good oc on my radeon. Try more VLDT, more VDD, and more VAGP.
I have done all the mods on my board, but its just a bare socket staring at me without an FX :D
The full vmods for the mobo is here.
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/?i=202&s=1

That's with LDT of 600. I haven't even touched that yet... I'm pretty amazed that these gpu clocks are so bad. My old 9800Pro with an 80w pelt went 540... I will continue searching forums for tips on benching NF3 and hopefully get my score up there. Thanks for the tips!!!!!!

C

xgman

11-04-2003, 08:42 AM

fx vs ee:

http://www.ixbt-labs.com/articles2/roundupmobo/pentium4-32ghz-ee.html

charlie

11-04-2003, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by LardArse
Charlie, what LDT speed are you using? When I run high FSBs on the A64 NF3, I need to up VLDT and also drop to 2X/400 instead of 2.5x in order to get good oc on my radeon. Try more VLDT, more VDD, and more VAGP.
I have done all the mods on my board, but its just a bare socket staring at me without an FX :D
The full vmods for the mobo is here.
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/?i=202&s=1

LardArse,
Those Vmods are a bit different than mine. I used Caprid's guide and for Vdimm on the RT9202 I use pin 7 with a 10K. For the Vcore I solder directly to the IC. How do your Vmods work? Has anyone used them yet? Links? When do you think you'll get your FX? GL!
C

SKATAN

11-04-2003, 09:03 AM

Jc

you forgot to mencion that registered ram is slower

just wait for those A64 FX 939 pins , and by that time more mature chipsets ;)

saaya

11-04-2003, 09:17 AM

939 will give a significant boost! maybe amd will even release a fx-53 clocked at 2.1 or 2.2ghz since the memory boost would make it a lot faster than a fx-51

LardArse

11-04-2003, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by charlie
LardArse,
Those Vmods are a bit different than mine. I used Caprid's guide and for Vdimm on the RT9202 I use pin 7 with a 10K. For the Vcore I solder directly to the IC. How do your Vmods work? Has anyone used them yet? Links? When do you think you'll get your FX? GL!
C

I think you counted from the wrong side, its pin 6.
Yeah, me, they work great, until I decided to cut into the FX's IHS and hit a transistor with the razor blade... :(

charlie

11-04-2003, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by LardArse
I think you counted from the wrong side, its pin 6.
Yeah, me, they work great, until I decided to cut into the FX's IHS and hit a transistor with the razor blade... :(

interesting... here's what I've got:
If I measure the point you show I get 2.87V, if I measure Caprid's point I get 3.01V...????

LardArse

11-04-2003, 10:40 AM

Measure pin 8 then, it should be most accurate, probably very close to mosfet reading.

Kunaak

11-04-2003, 10:50 AM

it's probably pointless to say this, but I have yet to see anyone extensivly benchmark with a FX chip at extreme speeds on both videocard and CPU yet.
charlie here is doing ok, but he's got some work left in him.
JC has zero luck on good videocards it looks like, and the hardware he uses isn't his to begin with, so not much to expect there...

once Opp, or someone of that sort get a FX, and tests it to the same calibur of benchmarking that Fugger did recently, then it will be alot more interesting to see how they go head to head.

but no one really seems to have pushed 580/430 on a XT, and 2.95 ghz with a FX at the same time yet...
theres been a few little runs here and there.
but nothing to the same calibur of effort Fugger put into the P4EE...

charlie

11-04-2003, 10:51 AM

Yes,
you're right...pin 8 shows 2.89, mosfet shows 2.87. On your guide on VR-Zone it "looks" like the line points to pin 7, this is what confused me a bit. So is it true that in all IC, pin 1 is always on the bottom nearest the "dimple" and the pins are counted in a counterclockwise circle? This is the expression i've heard.
A strange thing about the vcore mod is that when in BIOS there's about .05V offset, 1.60V setting in BIOS gives 1.65V in Hardware monitor and AsusProbe....however, on a hard boot like when you clear CMOS or after a hard lock-up it defaults out at 1.78V??? Strange.

C

charlie

11-04-2003, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Kunaak
it's probably pointless to say this, but I have yet to see anyone extensivly benchmark with a FX chip at extreme speeds on both videocard and CPU yet.
charlie here is doing ok, but he's got some work left in him.
JC has zero luck on good videocards it looks like, and the hardware he uses isn't his to begin with, so not much to expect there...

once Opp, or someone of that sort get a FX, and tests it to the same calibur of benchmarking that Fugger did recently, then it will be alot more interesting to see how they go head to head.

but no one really seems to have pushed 580/430 on a XT, and 2.95 ghz with a FX at the same time yet...
theres been a few little runs here and there.
but nothing to the same calibur of effort Fugger put into the P4EE...

Kunaak,
Yes, you're right. Noone has had this combo "click" yet. My cooling is good, but not -100C Cascade good. Even with dry ice my BIOS temps range from -28C to about -7C@ 1.8V. Not that much better than Prommy. Maybe my dry ice container needs more mass at the bottom. I will get win2K TODAY (thanks "E") and that by itself should get me 27K+. But right now the limiting factor is the 9800XT....
That and I'm 100% NOOB to Win2K....I am open to ANY tips peeps have on 2k. I'm also going to try dropping LDT to 400mhz for more vid card OC.
C

Iridium192_217

11-04-2003, 11:16 AM

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1279

that should help you charlie

xgman

11-04-2003, 11:17 AM

So which one of these below is it? They are on different #6 pins?

http://www.vr-zone.com/reviewspics/Nov03/Asus_SK8N/sk8nvmod2.jpg\

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19562

Mine is on the caprid pic, but now I'm thinking it may be the other one on the vrzone pic. shheesshhh!

charlie

11-04-2003, 11:27 AM

this is the vrzone pic??

charlie

11-04-2003, 11:30 AM

And this is the Caprid guide here on XS.....this is the one I'M using

KingInge2000

11-04-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Iridium192_217
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1279

that should help you charlie
Thats what i ment.

I think the prob. witch thoses XT FX high clock problems is a voltage regulator or s.th. which can't handle the power.
ATX is an Intel based standard.:D

xgman

11-04-2003, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by charlie
And this is the Caprid guide here on XS.....this is the one I'M using

This is the one I am using too. So I wonder what that other pin does? hmmm. I am reading around 2.98 volts on the spot on that pic when set to 2.6v in bios. 3.08 at 2.7 in bios.

By the way, I think I have a Leadtek k8nw-pro on the way for qualification (fingers crossed). Only thing is I have no idea what to look for if the voltage controller is different than on the asus and even if I did, I wouldn't know where to read it from. Well at least it has 2.8v in bios.

charlie

11-04-2003, 12:25 PM

Just a quick and informative tip for the FX-curious out there... I've tested extensively this morning trying to probe the fsb limits of the FX/SK8N...it's about 230-232. Even with the 333 divider it's still 230-232. SO, the key to using the current FX-51 is to optimize the rig for running at 230 with your cooling. Mine for example has ample cooling to run at 12 x 230 = 2760 but not enough to run at 13 x 230 = 2990. So I'd guess that using NV utility or CrystalCpuiD and running 12.5 x 230 = 2875 will be quite optimal.

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xgman

11-04-2003, 01:22 PM

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charlie

11-04-2003, 02:53 PM

Xgman,
Any new features? I'm not with the rig right now... :D
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charlie

11-04-2003, 02:59 PM

Jason,
right now measuring off of pin 8 I read 3.05, off of the smd it's 3.15. Wish I knew which was correct??

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STEvil

11-04-2003, 03:36 PM

try reading off the ram?

Find the fat trace near the top of the pcb and just scratch the green stuff off the top, then you can touch your multimeter to it and read it.

That picture of the Winbond BH-4's on the ADATA pcb is a good example.. 8-)

LardArse

11-04-2003, 07:37 PM

Wooops sorry guys, my bad, pointed to the wrong pin, I amended the pic to point to pin 6 instead of 7.

xgman

11-04-2003, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by charlie
Xgman,
Any new features? I'm not with the rig right now... :D
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Yeah, a great new feature that is called dead board. I flashed just fine and then restarted and no screen, nothing. Cleared, battery remove etc., Nothing... Oh well, I'll be ready for the Leadtek anyway and now at least I can get a full refund.

http://www.amdzone.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=70100&STARTPAGE=1

charlie

11-04-2003, 09:22 PM

that sucks....gotta love Asus :(

btw, 26.9+
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7191133

mrnuke

11-04-2003, 09:24 PM

wow, nice, you probibly have the highest for an fx chip on the orb :)

charlie

11-04-2003, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by mrnuke
wow, nice, you probibly have the highest for an fx chip on the orb :)

thanks! It was an awfully sloppy bench session tonight, I had only 3# of DI and it is a new O/S (BTW, Please tell any win 2K tips off the top of your heads...and not the mackanz ones) so I wasn't use to it...so I just ran a couple quick ones. This CPU has a LOT more to go...but my bottleneck now is the GPU...only 533/425

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Yitch

11-04-2003, 11:31 PM

Nice OC...with a decent vid card, you'd be top 3 on ORB.

s e t h

11-05-2003, 02:05 AM

charlie - best 2k tip if you're not using it already is to start 3dmark but before making a run open task manager and set 3dmark process priority to real time or high.

charlie

11-05-2003, 07:52 AM

Jason,
You're right about how the A64 FX scales....I did manage to rip off a 389.3 Car Lo and 141.8 Car Hi @ 546/429 along with some other big #'s but I lost it during Lobby with a hard lock up. Problem was that I only had a bit of DI and then on a hard reboot I forgot to reset the date/time so Powerstrip "expired" and couldn't be re-installed so I had to use Radclocker which doesn't work that great. I used the realtime tip in task manager, but was curious as to CONTROL PANEL>SYSTEM>ADVANCED>PERFORMANCE>>SETUP FOR APPLICATIONS OR FOR BACKGROUND PROCESSES?
The 9800XT doesn't have the familiar little aluminum HS on hte front of the card....but I'll try the fan there.
When my card is pushed too far I don't get very many artifacts...on the test open screen and between tests I get 1 or 2 vertical 2" lines on the middle left. And then I get HARD locks. The rig just freezes. Yeah, i get a bit of flickering on Drago and Lobby, but not much. I just need the power to bulldoze through the tests whether the GPU is struggling or not... any agp optimizations in BIOS? ap size 128, 66/33 ??
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s e t h

11-05-2003, 09:07 AM

drop the fastwrites for better memory clocks?
should get rid of the flickering for another 10mhz ram or so

charlie

11-05-2003, 09:58 AM

BIOS tips?

1) Bank Interleave AUTO/DISABLED
2) SMbus Interface ENABLED/DISABLED
3) Audio Codec Interface ENABLED/DISABLED
4) MAC Interface ENABLED/DISABLED
5) USB Config ENABLED/DISABLED
6) IOAPIC ENABLED/DISABLED
7) AGP FW Enable AUTO/DISABLED
8) AGP Sideband AUTO/DISABLED
9) HT Tristate enable ENABLED/DISABLED
10) CRC Flood Enable ENABLED/DISABLED
11) ACPI APIC Support ENABLED/DISABLED
12) BIOS--->AML ACPI Table ENABLED/DISABLED

And specifically what does it do changing LDT from 200-400-600 for performance??

TIA!
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s e t h

11-05-2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by charlie
BIOS tips?

1) Bank Interleave AUTO/DISABLED (enabled for faster memory performance)
2) SMbus Interface ENABLED/DISABLED ??? system management bus
3) Audio Codec Interface ENABLED/DISABLED sound on/off
4) MAC Interface ENABLED/DISABLED lan on/off
5) USB Config ENABLED/DISABLED usb on/off
6) IOAPIC ENABLED/DISABLED ??? southbridge apic mode. swopping may require os reload
7) AGP FW Enable AUTO/DISABLED fastwrites (off for better memory clocks)
8) AGP Sideband AUTO/DISABLED never tested myself
9) HT Tristate enable ENABLED/DISABLED ???
10) CRC Flood Enable ENABLED/DISABLED ???
11) ACPI APIC Support ENABLED/DISABLED apic mode. swopping may require os reload

12) BIOS--->AML ACPI Table ENABLED/DISABLED power management ???

And specifically what does it do changing LDT from 200-400-600 for performance?? (lower setting may allow higher fsb)

TIA!
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charlie

11-05-2003, 01:48 PM

This is probably about it for now, guys...
I spent two hours trying to get the 9800XT above 533 to no avail. I did manage to get the mem up to 439mHz :D But this is almost about it. I think I can do maybe 200 more with this Vid Card to take down Macci's score, but that's about it :(
So here it is:

27,103

ORB #1 9800 <550mHz
ORB #1 CPU Speed A64 or FX

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7193405

FX-51 13 x 216 = 2808mHz
Corsair CMX512RE-3200LL @ cas 2, 5,2,2 @ 3.05V 1:1 DDR432
Radeon 9800XT 533/438 nature 528/438 @ 1.92V
IDLE CPU temps in Asus Probe -24C

27,103

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Iridium192_217

11-05-2003, 02:02 PM

you shouldve bought opps card

charlie

11-05-2003, 02:05 PM

I didn't know it was for sale :(
Oh well... I have "warranty" and return priveleges, so I will return mine in search of another 9800XT :D :D :D :D Although I HATE to return this one, cuz it has a "gem" of a memory OC....nearly 440 with no HS and no mods....450 EASY with mods...

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Iridium192_217

11-05-2003, 02:06 PM

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21942

I really hope you get a good xt, I want to see some good numbers out of the fx.

charlie

11-05-2003, 02:18 PM

You know....I still think back to when I bought this 9800XT, it only came in 1 anti-static bag and it was NOT taped shut like they usually are.... I think Opp or somebody was test-shopping XT's before I got mine :D

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charlie

11-05-2003, 02:23 PM

I decided I'll go back to the store and get more DI tonight. If I can't get good scores with a scalpel (carving scores with high GPU OC) I'll just bludgeon the hell out of the ORB with CPU power. I 'm pretty sure I can bench 3D up to 2900...
Even with 533/439 clocks that should yield??
27.5????

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Iridium192_217

11-05-2003, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by charlie
You know....I still think back to when I bought this 9800XT, it only came in 1 anti-static bag and it was NOT taped shut like they usually are.... I think Opp or somebody was test-shopping XT's before I got mine :D

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sounds like a good excuse to return it if you ask me:D