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pik-ard v1.1
11-01-2003, 03:57 PM
could one of you please take a screenshot of your two 3dmark2k1 scores compared in the ORB?

prefferable, with screen resolution 1600x1200, and press F11 on your keyboard, so it will look like this (http://members.lycos.co.uk/pikardv1/hpbimg/3dmarkcompare.JPG)

both of you have 28k+ scores in 2k1, so i just wanna see how the two rigs compare, amd+ati vs. intel+ati. hopefully one of ya can find 2 minutes of your time to do this for me. ;)

thanks if ya decide to honor this request. :)
Soulburner
11-01-2003, 04:41 PM
I compared them......the Intel score has a few more points in every test vs the AMD.....whats interesting is that FUGGER ran it through and even included all the eye candy tests. 4500 for multi fillrate :D. Both systems have more in them for sure.
Pejsen
11-01-2003, 04:44 PM
AMD = Maxed out! (not FX)
pik-ard v1.1
11-01-2003, 04:51 PM
yea, i know the intel beats out the amd... but i just wanna see it side by side... dont ask me why, caus i am just curious...
OPPAINTER
11-01-2003, 04:55 PM
OPP
Speed_Mechanic
11-01-2003, 05:13 PM
The AMD is really hurt in Lobby High. :D
pik-ard v1.1
11-01-2003, 05:16 PM
thanks oppainter :)

yea, looks like the AMD is holding him back, maybe if he got it up to 2.9ghz... :p

and looking at nature, the 9800XT really isnt helping fugger any over the 9800pro...
saaya
11-01-2003, 05:16 PM
wow lobby high....
OPPAINTER
11-01-2003, 05:17 PM
I wonder how much difference the XT card makes. Fugger should do a comparason at the same clock speeds, he has both.

OPP
Stang_Man
11-01-2003, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Speed_Mechanic
The AMD is really hurt in Lobby High. The EE only loses .4 FPS from Lobby Low to Lobby High.

more like 200.4 ;)
Stang_Man
11-01-2003, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I wonder how much difference the XT card makes. Fugger should do a comparason at the same clock speeds, he has both.

OPP

using the "9800P > XT flash bios", it scores around 300 points more clock for clock
OPPAINTER
11-01-2003, 05:20 PM
I also wonder what it be like if this was a dual channel memory mobo. Why didn't nVidia make it dual channel?:D

OPP
OPPAINTER
11-01-2003, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by Stang_Man
using the "9800P > XT flash bios", it scores around 300 points more clock for clock

Where is the info on this flash?

OPP
pik-ard v1.1
11-01-2003, 05:21 PM
if its just faster in the XT, wouldnt there be no gain mhz for mhz? but then... but it looks like the XT overclocks better, so that much is a gain in itself. if your goal is #1 on the orb though, thats enough reason to buy the XT over the pro. ;)
pik-ard v1.1
11-01-2003, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Where is the info on this flash?

OPP
http://www.3dmaxx.net/articles/xtflash/

;)

EDIT: im not sure, but i think you have to use the leaked 3.9's to get it working. i dont see any harm in tryin to install the 3.7's though.
Speed_Mechanic
11-01-2003, 05:28 PM
The advantage is most likely from the drivers and not from the flashed bios.
pik-ard v1.1
11-01-2003, 05:30 PM
i dunno, i get better scores with the 3.7's then the leaked 3.9's. then again, i have an older video card, the 9100. ;)
OPPAINTER
11-01-2003, 05:32 PM
Thanks guys, I'll fart around with some of this stuff and see if I get anything out of it.

OPP
Holst
11-01-2003, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I also wonder what it be like if this was a dual channel memory mobo. Why didn't nVidia make it dual channel?:D

OPP

It dosent work... yet :P
RuKK
11-01-2003, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I also wonder what it be like if this was a dual channel memory mobo. Why didn't nVidia make it dual channel?:D

OPP

Kinda hard to add another memory controller when they are on the chip:p:
hedge
11-01-2003, 05:58 PM
The FX supports dual channel, though.
mrnuke
11-01-2003, 06:18 PM
but the fx needs really expensive memory :/ but our friend charlie is getting some amazing clocks out of his, last i saw he was at 2.9 with his fx!
Hallowed
11-01-2003, 06:51 PM
OPP:

FUGGER is using a different driver combo than you are... any chance its faster? Or is it just the XT architecture giving the improvements?

Seems that for only 3 ~ 5 MHz shy on core and mem, hes outdoing your card by 2-3 FPS in certain tests. That alone would narrow the gap considerably if you were to find those missing points.

And congrats on the 28K! Hard to imagine the score you'd get with an FX underhood. ;)
Iridium192_217
11-01-2003, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by mrnuke
but the fx needs really expensive memory :/ but our friend charlie is getting some amazing clocks out of his, last i saw he was at 2.9 with his fx!

viggen was 1 fsb away from 3 gigs.....
charlie
11-01-2003, 07:33 PM
Opp would do wonders with a 9800XT, mines benchable at 433 stock...with a Vmod it'd probably do 450!!!! Hynix 2.5 RULES!!!!!!!!
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OPPAINTER
11-01-2003, 08:34 PM
Hey guys, I flashed to the XT bios:D

Waist of time, all it does is up your clocks, in fact I lost fps out of the deal. Flashed back and all is back to normal.

I don't recommend it to anybody.

OPP
Hallowed
11-01-2003, 08:36 PM
Tried FUGGERs DX / CAT combo? I dont see how his 3FPS lead could be had by only 3MHz on the core and 5 on mem.
Speed_Mechanic
11-01-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by Hallowed
Tried FUGGERs DX / CAT combo? I dont see how his 3FPS lead could be had by only 3MHz on the core and 5 on mem.

It was mostly had by the substantial increase in memory bandwidth the P4EE has over the single-channel A64. More efficiency and less latency between requests don't quite make up for high-bandwidth created by running DDR454.4 over the equivelent of a 128bit interface.
Soulburner
11-01-2003, 09:11 PM
Not to mention its full-speed L3 cache of 2mb that is used tons in 3DM01.
Hallowed
11-01-2003, 09:26 PM
You expect the extra bandwidth to give 3 FPS in nature? Please.
Soulburner
11-01-2003, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Hallowed
You expect the extra bandwidth to give 3 FPS in nature? Please.
The extra bandwidth on the XT mostly.
Hallowed
11-01-2003, 10:14 PM
My post: "Why is it that FUGGER's XT gets 3 FPS more in card bound tests even though its only slightly clocked higher than OPP's? (Fuggers card is 3MHz + on core, 5MHz + on mem)."

Someone said "The P4's bandwidth.", someone else said "L3 Cache."

Me: "wtf?"

On ridiculously clocked machines like those, Nature, and to some extent, Car Low, become very GPU bound. Dragothic High as well.
JAMES
11-01-2003, 10:19 PM
Guy where can i find this CATALYST 3.9 leaked drivers and wont the flashed rad9800pro XT work without it??
Hallowed
11-01-2003, 10:38 PM
Either run the Omega 2.4.96 set or grab them from Rage3D.com's Driver forums.
macci
11-02-2003, 12:43 AM
using the "9800P > XT flash bios", it scores around 300 points more clock for clock
That might be the case for Mark03 but for Mark2001SE it seems that R9800XT ain't faster at all clock to clock if compared to R9800PRO.

Top stuff there OPP & FUGGER :toast:

gotta get me a decent mobo (one that has more than 1/6 divider..) or new CPU and I can play too :D
macci
11-02-2003, 12:54 AM
Hallowed,
that Nature difference in only 2.2FPS and if you look my 26.2k P4 score you'll see it does 179.2 nature at 576/423 (that might have been 579/425 or so too :D).
Fugger is at 590/423 and does 181.7 on similar platform. Seems like a very normal increase to me.

OPPs nature may seem a bit lower clock to clock but his mem is at 418MHz and nature loves memspeed. Also it might be that AGP speed etc chipset features may be slightly slower on A64 boards than on i875? I'd say its all because of the VC clocks thou. And in any case 2.2FPS ain't much.
Hallowed
11-02-2003, 01:17 AM
Aye.

Possibly the run order of tests as well, who knows. Thanks for the heads up macci. :)

Btw, are you going to test out more AMD toys or give them up for a EE? I'd imagine its a bit nicer benching on a stable platform with locked PCI and AGP.

ps: DJ has been a bit silent lately...