Help planning a SS build

[bmilos]

I am thinking about building a single stage for my i7. I purchased a compressor a little while back and have done a ton of reading. my main concern is that I am using a i7. Havent heard much about builds for them. They run hot and I want to make sure I maximize the build.

Any builders care to give me some advice?

Here is what I was thinking -

compressor - ACC MLT50AD

Condenser - 6 1/4" x 6 3/4" Mach I & II Style Condenser3 with built in Schroud for 120mm fan

filter/drier - SPORLAN - CATCH ALL FILTER/DRIER C-052-S

Evap - Chilly 1 custom line set from under the ice

gas - 507 or 404a

I am rebuilding my rig in a custom case and was going to include this and my watercooling setup all inside. I have plenty of room. If there is anything I can do to make this rock, please let me know.:confused:

[sdumper]

Get a larger condenser something like this will work nicely...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=330295449979

use r507

what size is that compressor?

Have you decided on cap tube? Also dont go with Chilly1 go with a Teyber evap with a larger surface area for an i7.

[EliTE22]

you are mostly like going to want to get a different compressor the ACC MLT50AD is only a 1/5hp & 5.1cc, u should look for 1/3hp min.
also use r507

[bmilos]

Get a larger condenser something like this will work nicely...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=330295449979

use r507

what size is that compressor?

Have you decided on cap tube? Also dont go with Chilly1 go with a Teyber evap with a larger surface area for an i7.

I was looking at those condensers. I have to build a shroud for that, right?

What about the new Cold Spiral evap on under the ice? Where can I get a Teyber evap?

I was going to go with .031 cap tube. Should I go larger?

So, I need more than a 1/5 HP compressor? Will it really cause weak temps? Its such a pain trying to find out the HP of compressors on eBay. grrr.

Def going to use 507.

EDIT: What do you guys think of the Danfoss TFS4.5CLX? Its a 1/3 HP comp, right?

What about this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/TECUMSEH-3-4hp-REFRIGERATION-COMPRESSOR-HGA9468ZXA_W0QQitemZ260336457613QQihZ016QQcategory Z64007QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[EliTE22]

that compressor dont give very good temps, something like this would be much better, only good comp i found on ebay right now:shrug:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MATSU:banana::banana::banana::banana:A-2R10S3R126A-ROTARY-A-C-COMPRESSOR_W0QQitemZ200306993435QQcmdZViewItemQQpt ZBI_HVAC?hash=item200306993435&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 &
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=160287043717
0.031in cap will work fine, the chilly1evap works just fine, but u could drop tyber a pm he makes good evaps also u might save some money also

[bmilos]

that compressor dont give very good temps, something like this would be much better, only good comp i found on ebay right now:shrug:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MATSU:banana::banana::banana::banana:A-2R10S3R126A-ROTARY-A-C-COMPRESSOR_W0QQitemZ200306993435QQcmdZViewItemQQpt ZBI_HVAC?hash=item200306993435&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 &
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=160287043717
0.031in cap will work fine, the chilly1evap works just fine, but u could drop tyber a pm he makes good evaps also u might save some money also

Are you familiar with the auction where the individual will not say the brand name? Doesn't say how many HP it is. For 20 bucks, im in, but thought I'd ask. Oh, and will it run 507?

And, was it the danfoss 1/3HP or the Tecumseh 3/4HP that doesn't give good temps? I like the tecumseh because its horizontal. Vertical rotary's will be tricky with my case...

[[XC] gomeler]

That's a 1/2hp Rechi rotary compressor. For the price they are acceptable but there are much better options available.

[sdumper]

Drop Teyber a PM and ask him for a larger surface area evap.
The Spiral were designed to cover a smaller surface area than the i7 so although they may work I would go with something larger.

Just my 2cents and no I do not own an i7 nor have I tried a chilly1 spiral evap on an i7 so I am making some assumptions in recommending a larger surface area :)

[teyber]

I am thinking about building a single stage for my i7. I purchased a compressor a little while back and have done a ton of reading. my main concern is that I am using a i7. Havent heard much about builds for them. They run hot and I want to make sure I maximize the build.

Any builders care to give me some advice?

Here is what I was thinking -

compressor - ACC MLT50AD

Condenser - 6 1/4" x 6 3/4" Mach I & II Style Condenser3 with built in Schroud for 120mm fan

filter/drier - SPORLAN - CATCH ALL FILTER/DRIER C-052-S

Evap - Chilly 1 custom line set from under the ice

gas - 507 or 404a

I am rebuilding my rig in a custom case and was going to include this and my watercooling setup all inside. I have plenty of room. If there is anything I can do to make this rock, please let me know.:confused:
hey!

live and die in LA

that condenser should hold up GREAT, how much did you pay for it?

as i think ron had some for $50, 55 and 60 and i think if you paid $60 for it, it has rifled tubing and ROCKS. those are jinu condensers and he has built 500w+ chillers with just 1 of them... or you could get a bigger one and sell it to me :p:

i gotta get my mill back up and cnc'd :(

[bmilos]

hey!

live and die in LA

that condenser should hold up GREAT, how much did you pay for it?

as i think ron had some for $50, 55 and 60 and i think if you paid $60 for it, it has rifled tubing and ROCKS. those are jinu condensers and he has built 500w+ chillers with just 1 of them... or you could get a bigger one and sell it to me :p:

i gotta get my mill back up and cnc'd :(

The condenser is from under the ice and it is $45. Should I go with that one or the $50+9 one on ebay?

So, you don't have any evaps? Would you happen to have a good compressor laying around to sell?

[sdumper]

I would go with the one on ebay :)

The i7 chips are hotter than the old 65nm quads and your going to appreciate the adding capacity and cooling it will provide.

[teyber]

I would go with the one on ebay :)

The i7 chips are hotter than the old 65nm quads and your going to appreciate the adding capacity and cooling it will provide.

scott it has rifled tubing :eek:

bmilos i have a ton of junk in my garage... i have a couple evaps but not any evaps i would sell you(small imperfections) Hopefully the mill will be up and running in a couple weeks :)

ill chat with you :up:

i have a 6,600 btu matsu:banana::banana::banana::banana:a rotary thats been for sale for a while but i could let you have it for cheapish

i have a new temp display with probe you could have for cheapish

i have some of those ebay condensers and a nice shroud for one if you decide to go with it instead of your current one (which i advise against) for cheap-er

i have cap tube that i could give you for a lot cheaper then online

hmm what else do you need lol, i could fold you up a case, i could sell you some refrigerant also :shrug: (r134a, r402a, r507a, r290)

and hopefully soon some cnc'd evaps with i7 mounting kits :up:
do you have msn?

cheers
what else? my area code is 91711 whats yours?

[bmilos]

scott it has rifled tubing :eek:

bmilos i have a ton of junk in my garage... i have a couple evaps but not any evaps i would sell you(small imperfections) Hopefully the mill will be up and running in a couple weeks :)

ill chat with you :up:

i have a 6,600 btu matsu:banana::banana::banana::banana:a rotary thats been for sale for a while but i could let you have it for cheapish

i have a new temp display with probe you could have for cheapish

i have some of those ebay condensers and a nice shroud for one if you decide to go with it instead of your current one (which i advise against) for cheap-er

i have cap tube that i could give you for a lot cheaper then online

hmm what else do you need lol, i could fold you up a case, i could sell you some refrigerant also :shrug: (r134a, r402a, r507a, r290)

and hopefully soon some cnc'd evaps with i7 mounting kits :up:
do you have msn?

cheers
what else? my area code is 91711 whats yours?

Guess I should have checked here first! Im in 90036.

I need everything! The only thing I have is a worthless 1/5HP compressor!

I will go ahead and grab the condenser from ebay, since you guys think it will be the best. I am going to need to make a shroud for it though :shakes:

Let me know more about the compressor you have - I will most likely take it off your hands. as well as the temp display/probe, the cap tube, and anything else. Send me your MSN name or AOL. I use AOL but can make a MSN s/n, if needed.

We can chat about my build. I think you all are going to appreciate it. Its pretty unique. :up:

[sjg0]

I need everything! The only thing I have is a worthless 1/5HP compressor!


Not worthless!

Make a Northbridge phase system. Or if you really want to get crazy, see if someone can mill out a special RAM evap!

[teyber]

Guess I should have checked here first! Im in 90036.

I need everything! The only thing I have is a worthless 1/5HP compressor!

I will go ahead and grab the condenser from ebay, since you guys think it will be the best. I am going to need to make a shroud for it though :shakes:

Let me know more about the compressor you have - I will most likely take it off your hands. as well as the temp display/probe, the cap tube, and anything else. Send me your MSN name or AOL. I use AOL but can make a MSN s/n, if needed.

We can chat about my build. I think you all are going to appreciate it. Its pretty unique. :up:

sounds good, i have a nice pre-made shroud with a plenium chamber in it for that ebay condenser that takes 2 120mm fnas

got to run

cheers

[bmilos]

OK. So, I got the condenser off of eBay. So, thats done. Another purchase I made was a 25 LB tank of 507. I know it's over-kill, but, with shipping, it only ran me $77.

I also purchased a Tecumseh HGA9468ZXA. Its 3/4 HP and 6800 BTU's.

Now, I need to get all the little stuff. Should I just go to under-the-ice?

Here is my list -

Filter/drier
10ft x .031 cap tubing
36" bronze flex line with copper ends
Schrader pack - 1/4 or 3/8?
copper t-line - 1/4 or 3/8?
flare fittings?
1/4 and 3/8 copper tubing

Insulation - what is the best way to insulate? Where can I get the braided mesh that most have over the suction line/cap tube?

Also, what do I need to get and do regarding powering this puppy?
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I guess now is a good time to show what all of this is going in. Basically, the bottom is going to hold the water-cooling loop, the PSU, and my phase. Its 20" L x 31" W x 10" h.

The top layer which is going to be a tray of sorts will hold the mobo, the HDD's, Blu-Ray drive, etc.

http://www1.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/4e6daa27bdf8a6e55739df3d97770e116g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=nmyz0hmijjt&thumb=4)

[sjg0]

Dude is that a treasure chest?!?!
Thats fking AMAZING! Where did you find that, the bottom of the sea?!!?

Yea you can get most of the little stuff from Under-The-Ice but you can also check out
http://stores.ebay.com/Frosty-Freeze-A-C-Products-Company_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsxQ3asstQQtZkm
for small stuff too.


Edit - What will you need flare fittings for?
Basically all you need to power it is a Capacitor ( go here - http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Actual-Technicians-Heating-and-Air_Capacitors_W0QQ_fsubZ148738017QQ_sidZ133370747 QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322 ) and some basic electrical skills. If you want a temp display for it then it gets a little more complicated too.

Edit - And to make it power on with the CPU in one button you need a relay.

[bmilos]

Thanks. Funny you say that - I was going to start my build thread titled " Treasure Chest Build"!

Also, would the bernzomatic brazing kit be OK to braze the ss together? http://cgi.ebay.com/Bernzomatic-Cutting-welding-brazing-torch-kit_W0QQitemZ150325315064QQihZ005QQcategoryZ46413Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

EDIT: How would 0.052 cap tube be for this build? Should I got with .052 or .031?

[sjg0]

Thanks. Funny you say that - I was going to start my build thread titled " Treasure Chest Build"!

Also, would the bernzomatic brazing kit be OK to braze the ss together? http://cgi.ebay.com/Bernzomatic-Cutting-welding-brazing-torch-kit_W0QQitemZ150325315064QQihZ005QQcategoryZ46413Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Meh, cant speak out of experience on the MaPP + Oxy as I havent tried mine yet, but from what I hear its not so good. Just use a good ol' Mapp torch from home depot will do the trick.

Do you have all the proper tools for phase?

[bmilos]

Meh, cant speak out of experience on the MaPP + Oxy as I havent tried mine yet, but from what I hear its not so good. Just use a good ol' Mapp torch from home depot will do the trick.

Do you have all the proper tools for phase?

Well, I am buying everything. Found a vaccum pump for $110. Pipe bender, cutter, and flare set on ebay too. Other than that, I just need something to braze with...

[sjg0]

Well, I am buying everything. Found a vaccum pump for $110. Pipe bender, cutter, and flare set on ebay too. Other than that, I just need something to braze with...

You need a manifold + hoses too.
And a thermometer.
More important than a flare tool is a swage tool, or at least you will use swage more often, if you bought a cheapo flare kit it might not swage also.
Add armaflex insulation to the list.
Lots of those rubber knead-able erasers for insulating.
Do you have fans for the condenser?

Hehe, phase is expensive.... :D

[jcool]

Yeah man you definitely need a stronger compressor, my 1/3hp NL11F is struggling like mad to hold my i7. It's R404a tho but already tuned for max load.. I got only 20C ambient here but loaded it'll push my evap temp above -30C easily. So if you want good temps go 1/2hp. I am using a Chilly1 evap, I think it's big enough for i7 ;)

[bmilos]

You need a manifold + hoses too.
And a thermometer.
More important than a flare tool is a swage tool, or at least you will use swage more often, if you bought a cheapo flare kit it might not swage also.
Add armaflex insulation to the list.
Lots of those rubber knead-able erasers for insulating.
Do you have fans for the condenser?

Hehe, phase is expensive.... :D

I have a manifold and hoses. Bought those 2 months ago when I made the decision to build a phase.

What is a swage set for?

is armaflex the clean looking insulation that everyone uses? I meant to put kneadable rubber on the list...

I dont have fans for the condenser yet. I need AC fans, right? Do I really need to make a shroud for the condenser if its inside the trunk?

Yes, REALLY expensive. I figure, once I make one, I may end up making more so may aswell buy the tools vs pay someone to do it for me :up:

[bmilos]

Yeah man you definitely need a stronger compressor, my 1/3hp NL11F is struggling like mad to hold my i7. It's R404a tho but already tuned for max load.. I got only 20C ambient here but loaded it'll push my evap temp above -30C easily. So if you want good temps go 1/2hp. I am using a Chilly1 evap, I think it's big enough for i7 ;)

I bought a 3/4 HP compressor.

[sjg0]

I have a manifold and hoses. Bought those 2 months ago when I made the decision to build a phase.
Cool.


What is a swage set for?
See pic.


is armaflex the clean looking insulation that everyone uses? I meant to put kneadable rubber on the list...
Yes that is armaflex. It comes as that stuff to put around pipes and they have a version that is like tape. Go to home depot/lowes and you will see what i mean.


I dont have fans for the condenser yet. I need AC fans, right? Do I really need to make a shroud for the condenser if its inside the trunk?
You dont necessarily need AC fans, just something that can displace air pretty reliably. So you can use DC case fans, but they are generally weaker and dont move a lot of air so you need like 2-4 of them (unless you use one of those ridiculous all metal 100+ cfm ones). AC fans on the other hand are loud and a pita to set up because you need to source all different parts(blade, motor, capacitors, fan guard (yikes those things will cut your fingers clean off!), etc...).


Yes, REALLY expensive. I figure, once I make one, I may end up making more so may aswell buy the tools vs pay someone to do it for me :up:
:)

[Sweeper]

Well, I am buying everything. Found a vaccum pump for $110. Pipe bender, cutter, and flare set on ebay too. Other than that, I just need something to braze with...

I have extra rolls of Safety-Silv 45 silver brazing alloy 5 T.O. if your interested. PM me.

[sjg0]

Ugh sorry im retarded and forgot to add pic.

[bmilos]

Ahhhh. That makes for tighter, better joining? Speaking of silver, what is the best to use with a cheap MAPP torch?

[sjg0]

Ahhhh. That makes for tighter, better joining? Speaking of silver, what is the best to use with a cheap MAPP torch?

Correct. 15% for copper to copper. 45% for stainless to copper. :)

[teyber]

Ugh sorry im retarded and forgot to add pic.

nice drawing steven :up:

I think its just generally not clear as i thought a flare was a method of connecting pipes for quite some time, a swag is whats used to open tubing to allow you to make stronger and easier brazes, like what steven showed on the right, wheras the flare is not used like a swag. the flare is used with a flare nut to get a leak tight connection between copper tubing and threaded fitting. For your ss don't worry about flaring :up:

[sjg0]

nice drawing steven :up:

Thanks! My MS Paint sk1llz are improving.
Yea this is one of those REALLY obscure facts that is never mentioned on forums or stickies, but used every day. I actually had to do quite a bit of research to figure this out too.
If you already ordered a cheap china flare kit that doesnt do swages, fear not! You can simply buy the individual swage attachments!

[sdumper]

What tool makes a swag...that would make my life much easier...

[sjg0]

What tool makes a swag...that would make my life much easier...

http://www.yellowjacket.com/images/products/Systm_Tools/60440.jpg
http://www.hvacr-tools.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HVACR&Product_Code=60440&Category_Code=FLARINGSWAGINGCUTTING

^Thats the one I have.

Here is one from Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pro-FLARING-SWAGING-SWAGE-TOOL-KIT-1-8-3-4-Auto-HVAC_W0QQitemZ310121758983QQihZ021QQcategoryZ42134 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

An example of a cheaper one w/o swage attachment:
http://cgi.ebay.com/6pc-TUBING-CUTTER-FLARING-BENDING-TOOL-KIT-flare-cut_W0QQitemZ350162641232QQihZ022QQcategoryZ42134Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://www.hvacr-tools.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HVACR&Product_Code=151&Category_Code=FLARINGSWAGINGCUTTING

This tool is SOOOOO nice and makes brazing about 100 bagizillion times easier.

[sdumper]

I have a flare kit but no swagging adapters...

[bmilos]

Here is one from Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pro-FLARING-SWAGING-SWAGE-TOOL-KIT-1-8-3-4-Auto-HVAC_W0QQitemZ310121758983QQihZ021QQcategoryZ42134 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


This tool is SOOOOO nice and makes brazing about 100 bagizillion times easier.

Should I get this one? Makes brazing super easy?

Also, I am having a hard time deciding on what torch kit to get. I don't want to spend a ton of money yet, as this is my first build. Ideas?

[sjg0]

Should I get this one? Makes brazing super easy?

Also, I am having a hard time deciding on what torch kit to get. I don't want to spend a ton of money yet, as this is my first build. Ideas?

Hell yea get a flare/swage kit. Dunno about that specific one but it looks ok.
And yea without that you would need to join copper by either using a punch swage kit (might as well shoot yourself in both feet) or by getting a like 5/8" or 3/4" peice of copper and slipping it over the two pipes then just pinching the excess closed (lotta work and looks ghetto).

Well whats your budget?
You have a few options:
$40 - Mapp torch @ hardware store
$120ish - just acetylene brazing torch
$200ish - oxy/acet kit

acet and oxy/acet are used prices from craigslist/ebay too. Dunno about straight acet but oxy/acet will run you about $450 new.

Regular ol' propane is not hot enough.
The kitchen stove is not hot enough.
The microwave is a bad idea.

Hmmm..... there arent many other options.... I tried Hydrogen once but it just cut through the copper like butter lol....

[bmilos]

So, will a $40 dollar MAPP torch from the hardware store be enough to complete the brazing of this build?

[sjg0]

So, will a $40 dollar MAPP torch from the hardware store be enough to complete the brazing of this build?

Make sure it has a swirl tip torch (all newer ones do and they will advertise like 30% hotter)

Technically it is possible to braze the evap with a MAPP torch but from what I understand its pretty difficult so most of us buy an additional propane torch or set evap on the grill to 'warm i up' and 'hold heat' because evap is larger mass.
For everything else MAPP is perfect :up:

[[XC] gomeler]

Or use two MAPP torches to heat it up, that's what I do. Use two torches and blast the evap and then use one torch to maintain heat while quickly brazing. Not as elegant as an oxy/acetylene torch setup but sufficient when you haven't got the space to store such a setup.

[bmilos]

Ohhh, so brazing the suction line and cap tub to the evap is the hardest part with MAPP? Didn't think about that... So I'd need to buy 2 torches? How much would it cost me for tanks and oxy/ace if I got this -

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/tls/1030983988.html

[sjg0]

Ohhh, so brazing the suction line and cap tub to the evap is the hardest part with MAPP? Didn't think about that... So I'd need to buy 2 torches? How much would it cost me for tanks and oxy/ace if I got this -

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/tls/1030983988.html

lol no, brazing up the actual evap is difficult. I mean brazing the actual top cap onto it and the suction/liquid line stubs too.
Well, its hard to say honestly. It looks like LA isnt real big on craigslist so I dont really see anything that stands out, this is the best option from the quick search i did:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/tls/1031436284.html
But even with that you may still need flashback arrestors, which run about $70.

Personally by me though, there is like 5 full acet setups on sale every day usually like $150-$200 so idk.

Or you could be like me and just rent a whole acet setup from Praxair for $0.08 a day + cost of gas :D

[sdumper]

Ohhh, so brazing the suction line and cap tub to the evap is the hardest part with MAPP? Didn't think about that... So I'd need to buy 2 torches? How much would it cost me for tanks and oxy/ace if I got this -

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/tls/1030983988.html

get a single mapp torch and a butane camper stove and save some money :)

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z294/sdumper/IMG00129.jpg

[bmilos]

I just got a $65 Bernzomatic brazing welding kit from home depot. They also had silver for brazing, but I wasn't sure what to get and received very little help...

I think I am going to get the remaining stuff off of under-the-ice. Can I use the saftey-silv or do I need the dynaflow? Looks like I am just going to get a custom line-set from them too, unless teyber gets his mill up soon or I find someone else that makes good evaps. I can't stand not having my computer up and running and I am getting antsy.

[sjg0]

I just got a $65 Bernzomatic brazing welding kit from home depot. They also had silver for brazing, but I wasn't sure what to get and received very little help...

I think I am going to get the remaining stuff off of under-the-ice. Can I use the saftey-silv or do I need the dynaflow? Looks like I am just going to get a custom line-set from them too, unless teyber gets his mill up soon or I find someone else that makes good evaps. I can't stand not having my computer up and running and I am getting antsy.

Good that you didnt get the stuff at Home Depot. That solder is not the correct kind. Safety-Silv and Dynaflow are just brands, it doesnt matter which one you get just make sure that you get the 15% silver kind.

What do you mean you have received very little help?!!??! I have tried to answer all of your questions!!

[teyber]

sjg0 i think hes talking about the home depot help, i had to re-red it to realize that lol. the first time i read through i was like wtf

Get some 15% silver brazing rods you can buy some individually from me depending how close you are, if you want save a lot of money get the evap suction line and cap tube separate and ill help you braze it all up

[bmilos]

YES! The HD help was useless! You guys have been super helpful. Would not have even attempted without this forum...

I own a motorcycle, so in LA county, everyone is close! That would be dope if you'd help me out. Super appreciated!

Any update on the milling machine?

[bmilos]

Here is a link to my build thread, if at all interested

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=218115

[bmilos]

So, I am at a crossroad - the final before my build, thankfully.

I need to hammer out where to get the last bits of hardware for this phase and I have 3 options.

I can buy everything separate, braze it all together myself and spend ~ $300
or
I can buy a assembled Chilly1 evap and buy the remaining stuff which will come to ~ $400
or
I can buy a premade Kayl lineset and buy remaining stuff for ~ $350

Someone please tell me that Kayl is the best option and my temps are going to be insane with his evap.... Cause thats where I am leaning.

[teyber]

ill braze the evap for you for the price of oxygen + acetylene + nitrogen + brazing rods if you want

[sdumper]

Go with Teybers option he lives close and you can actually watch him braze and learn some of the best practices.

FYI: Im still not sold on .031 cap is the best option for an i7 heavy load build. I recently switched to .042 and my temps are very good under high load. Note: I have a 2/3 hp compressor so have very strong suction...