View Full Version : Anyone running 1920x1200 smooth?
Freonor
02-03-2009, 11:03 PM
Hi!
I'm running whats in my sig and am running fine. fps is good, but in 25 man raids my fps drops to 20s and sometimes lower when everyone is aoeing.
I have all settings to max, apart from view distance which is about halfway. No AA on though.
Anyone running it smoothly 40+ fps in 25 man? I'm going to upgrade, but need to know how much I need to upgrade.
tool_462
02-03-2009, 11:14 PM
Uh...What game?
Freonor
02-03-2009, 11:51 PM
Uh...What game?
Lol! Sorry. WoW. Thought I was in a wow section, but it was only MMO:shrug: sorry!
YukonTrooper
02-04-2009, 12:39 AM
Try overclocking your CPU first.
Why am I helping someone who plays WoW? Shoot me now.
Jamesrt2004
02-04-2009, 08:00 AM
how much ram are you running, just says the speeds + timings..... if it's 2 gig go to 4 :) that will help with a lot of people on screen also should try get 3.6~ out of that cpu without much difference in temps etc so do that too :)
dan7777
02-04-2009, 08:09 AM
not sure what the guy who posted this is refering too that cpu of yours defo needs overclocking to 4ghz man and like the guy said above 4gb Ram at least is needed really. what OS you running FREONOR ? good luck man.
deathman20
02-04-2009, 10:18 AM
OC the CPU 3.6-3.7Ghz
Consider more ram if you have 2Gig but if your running a 32-bit OS and go to 4Gigs you'll only get 2.75Gig usable (1Gig for video and 256 for system resources).
Also if you watn to double check to see exactly what your bottleneck is get GPU-z and run it in the background when doing a raid next time with the continous update enabled, then alt-tab out and see what it says for GPU load. If its not 90-100% loaded, then something else is your bottleneck (CPU, Ram).
Guys if a 4850 cant handle WoW there is a serious problem.
Forget RAM
Forget OCing (errr....OC is still fun though)
Check drivers.
My 4850 plays Crysis on VHigh better than that.
swale
02-04-2009, 12:31 PM
Yes I am...on my 295 :p: does it count:D
YukonTrooper
02-04-2009, 01:24 PM
Guys if a 4850 cant handle WoW there is a serious problem.
Forget RAM
Forget OCing (errr....OC is still fun though)
Check drivers.
My 4850 plays Crysis on VHigh better than that.
True, but the processing can be at fault when there's tons going on at once in a game and your frames drop. A good example would be strategy games, in particular ones that have high unit loads, ie. Supreme Commander.
True, but the processing can be at fault when there's tons going on at once in a game and your frames drop. A good example would be strategy games, in particular ones that have high unit loads, ie. Supreme Commander.
On an E6850, frames should not drop in WoW.
Unless, he has 4 instances of the game running, decoding HD, listening to music, 50 firefox tabs open, and folding all at the same time. (ok maybe a little exaggerated but you get the point.)
deathman20
02-04-2009, 02:18 PM
Guys if a 4850 cant handle WoW there is a serious problem.
Forget RAM
Forget OCing (errr....OC is still fun though)
Check drivers.
My 4850 plays Crysis on VHigh better than that.
Whats your definition of playing then? Sure I could run a 4850 on VHigh @ 1920x1200 and get "somewhat playable" frame rates but as well Crysis is somewhat CPU dependent as well even at that res.
Could very well be ram, CPU or many other things in the system. Hes running with alot of people in raids and I've seen many people that have issues with it (im not a WoW player) but all it comes down to is CPU speeds, and Ram typically. Sometimes the player knows hes running on a dated GPU and that is the issue but he as well isn't running it at 1920x1200 cranked.
tool_462
02-04-2009, 02:30 PM
I agree that the issue could be a driver or something else. My friend plays WoW on 8800GTS 640 at 1920 x 1200 and never has issues with lag or low FPS that I'm aware of. He is running E4500 @ ~3.5 with 4GB DDR2-800
Freonor
02-04-2009, 10:40 PM
I agree that the issue could be a driver or something else. My friend plays WoW on 8800GTS 640 at 1920 x 1200 and never has issues with lag or low FPS that I'm aware of. He is running E4500 @ ~3.5 with 4GB DDR2-800
Did you ask him now post-patch? They changed some things... I used to do 40 man raids 3-4 years ago on a x800 or something on my :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty laptop. Fps was roughly 25 then.
I realise I haven't specified the amount of ram in my sig. Silly. I'm running vista 64 bit. And I have 4gb of ram ofc. I'll try gpu-z and see if that's the bottleneck. I don't have time to start fiddling (oc) before sunday, but I'll find out if it's the 4850 at least.
Freonor
02-04-2009, 10:49 PM
Guys if a 4850 cant handle WoW there is a serious problem.
Forget RAM
Forget OCing (errr....OC is still fun though)
Check drivers.
My 4850 plays Crysis on VHigh better than that.
I'm using the latest 9.1 drivers. They miiight be a slight problem, but shouldn't cause a drop like that.
YukonTrooper
02-04-2009, 10:54 PM
Swap em' and find out. Nothing is more certain than the elimination method.
I'm using the latest 9.1 drivers. They miiight be a slight problem, but shouldn't cause a drop like that.
You would be surprised.
Anyway, I just thought of something else: Disable Catalyst AI or if its already disabled Enable.
In my experience that is a quirky little feature that can do strange things....
Freonor
02-05-2009, 01:02 AM
I'll give it a go when I get home.
Chris_redfield
02-05-2009, 03:26 AM
Have you updated to the latest WoW patch.
I have heard that the latest patch can cause severe sporadic frame rate drops.
Freonor
02-05-2009, 03:39 AM
I've read about that too. And you have to update to play WoW unless you play on a private server or something.
moogle
02-05-2009, 04:10 AM
Lol! Sorry. WoW. Thought I was in a wow section, but it was only MMO:shrug: sorry!
Typical WoW player assuming the MMO section is just for WoW :mad:
Only kidding :D
Don't play it anymore but my 9800GTX + Q6600 at 3.6GHz handled 1920x1200 just fine. WoW really isn't a real GPU intensive game is it? I don't see why any decent GPU wouldn't be able to push frames out smoothly. I was getting around 100-90fps.
Freonor
02-05-2009, 05:01 AM
The patch changed things. I don't know yet. Will find out when I get home if it stresses the gpu to the max or if it's something else.
Freonor
02-05-2009, 11:47 PM
So.. GPU-Z showed that my card does peak at 90% something... My cpu didn't peak more than 80%. I don't like the results of that though. I'll have to upgrade my video card.. So... what are the chances i'll find a passively cooled 285 xD
YukonTrooper
02-06-2009, 12:06 AM
I'd try overclocking that CPU first. An HD4850 slowing down in WoW just sounds way too wrong.
Freonor
02-06-2009, 12:47 AM
I'll probably do that tomorrow. Got time then. Laundry day today :S
deathman20
02-06-2009, 05:21 AM
So.. GPU-Z showed that my card does peak at 90% something... My cpu didn't peak more than 80%. I don't like the results of that though. I'll have to upgrade my video card.. So... what are the chances i'll find a passively cooled 285 xD
Was that during a huge raid or normal play?
Pretty hard to tell with both of them relatively close togeather though. From the looks of it the GPU is at the limits though. Buut CPU being so high if in a normal area it should spike more during raids as well (more of everything to process).
Definatly OCing the CPU/GPU to get an idea of where its sitting like that will help out, from there you can decide if a new GPU is necessary.
As for a passively cooled 285, they don't exist unless its called water ;)
Shogan
02-06-2009, 01:50 PM
Yeah, agreed. I think it is either a driver or CPU issue. Although the E6850 should have plenty of grunt for WoW. My little Celeron 633MHz EEE PC can run WoW (OC'ed to 900mhz) so I don't see how this CPU can't cope with a WoW raid.
I'd OC it a bit, and see if an extra 500mhz or so would help. Also how fresh is your OS install? You might have a ton of crap or spyware running that is bringing your system down. 4850 is more than enough to run WoW at 1920x1200. Even with AA on.
Freonor
02-09-2009, 04:46 AM
My attempts at clocking seriously failed. I havent been much into the bios other than to set the timings and voltage for my ram. Its quite extensive compared to the p5n32e i was used to. I didn't try for long because I didnt have enough time :S but i thought i could clock it to 3,4 without touching the voltages much. I'll read up on what other people have done with a similar cpu. Cba. to do it all on my own :P Too time demanding. I should probably rtfm....
I did a raid in the weekend and i was averaging 25 fps while intensive spellcasting was going on in sartharion. So its more playable now. Havent really changed anything so I don't see why it's better now...
As for my Vista I think it's about 4-6 months old. I don't download stuff from sketchy sites so I doubt I have lots of spyware. I did a scan a few weeks ago. Didnt find anything.
Well i stopped playing WOW a while ago. I was playing with an E6750@3,8Ghz, 2GB G.Skill@1000Mhz, 8800GT/4870X2 and never had any framerate problems during raids (raided the whole Classic/Bc Content).
Also check your Addons, some and especially to many addons will harm your performance.
But like most people already said, just increase your Vcore a bit and oc your Cpu. The P5N32-E SLI won´t be an issue as long you are not trieng to attemp a new FSB WR :P
GL
Freonor
02-09-2009, 11:13 PM
I'm not using the p5n32e anymore :P Just saying I was used to the bios. This gigabyte board has too many settings for me. I don't know what all of them do. Too many gimmicks in this. Turbo, Cruise, Supermegaspeeeeeed!
Freonor
02-09-2009, 11:14 PM
Well i stopped playing WOW a while ago. I was playing with an E6750@3,8Ghz, 2GB G.Skill@1000Mhz, 8800GT/4870X2 and never had any framerate problems during raids (raided the whole Classic/Bc Content).
Also check your Addons, some and especially to many addons will harm your performance.
But like most people already said, just increase your Vcore a bit and oc your Cpu. The P5N32-E SLI won´t be an issue as long you are not trieng to attemp a new FSB WR :P
GL
Only problem is this only came after wotlk... They change things to make it more demanding on your computer. Silly really. and FSB WR!? HERE I GO!!!! 334 a new wr? :shrug:
mikey063
02-10-2009, 08:25 AM
Freonor, the main problem with WotLK is that with the new expansion they changed the graphics. You will of course get lower FPS with a raid due to your video settings in game, you need to reduce your "Spell Detail". That is the killer in raids. As to your graphics/CPU settings.
That should help alot. and buy a new graphics card :).
Oh and I play wow also, from time to time. It is still fun, but I also like playing Farcry3.
Riggs
02-10-2009, 09:04 AM
Dont bother looking for another passive card. The fans arent too bad, and dont have :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty heat problems.
Freonor
02-10-2009, 10:00 AM
Riggs;3641859']Dont bother looking for another passive card. The fans arent too bad, and dont have :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty heat problems.
I wasn't serious about a passiely cooled 280 :p: I just don't like fans as they produce sound!!! I'd be happy with a card that stops the fan when under 40% load or so. And I could live with 24dB fan at 100%, but there aren't really any options that fit that description. So passive is my way =) And I don't have heat problems at all ;)
Riggs
02-10-2009, 10:53 AM
I guess its just my friend then. His 3650 is smokin lol. 3rd party heatsink/quiet fans could be a good route.
EagleRock
02-14-2009, 03:09 PM
Wow dont need much cpu power just rams and gpu "with wotlk"
in raids with much aoe fps will drop that is very normal fpr 4850.
Freonor
02-19-2009, 10:24 PM
Ok. So I'm currently borrowing my mates gtx 280. No noticable difference in WoW :S CPU IS the bottleneck. Doh.
YukonTrooper
02-20-2009, 12:10 AM
Have you bothered to overclock your CPU yet? Get'r done! That Noctua is going to waste.
Freonor
02-20-2009, 01:17 AM
It's next on my to-do-list. I have lots of stuff that needs to be done other than computer related stuff. I can do loads of research here at work because I sit on my ass doing nothing in front of a computer. I recently moved so lots needs to be done to my flat. I'll try this weekend if I have enough time =) And the Noctua is for silence =). I stribe silence more than performance.
Monkeywoman
02-20-2009, 08:37 AM
To run anything at 1920x1200 smooth, you'll want at least 1gig of graphics memory for textures and aa. I saw a GTX260 with 1.86gig mem (http://www.techpowerup.com/85696/MSI_Preparing_Custom_GeForce_GTX_260_with_1.8_GB_M emory.html) this card is going to be a powerhouse at 1920x1200
Freonor
02-22-2009, 10:39 PM
My 4850 has 1GB of memory... And it wasnt the bottleneck as i stated in my previous post. I clocked my cpu to 3.3. Couldn't get it higher as I can't unlink my ram and i'm guessing thats whats limiting me. Didnt really see any difference. If there was one it was miniscule.
Freonor
02-24-2009, 03:05 AM
I'm at 3.6 ghz now and there is still no noticable difference :S What do I need to get 60+ fps? :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty video engine :S
deathman20
02-24-2009, 05:22 AM
To run anything at 1920x1200 smooth, you'll want at least 1gig of graphics memory for textures and aa. I saw a GTX260 with 1.86gig mem (http://www.techpowerup.com/85696/MSI_Preparing_Custom_GeForce_GTX_260_with_1.8_GB_M emory.html) this card is going to be a powerhouse at 1920x1200
Tossing memory at the card doesn't make it faster at all. GTA IV I think is the new king when it comes to pushing the GPU to its limit with texture memory required. Don't know if Crysis holds that still with there texture packs or not.
1Gig is more than enough, and I even had 512Megs on my 4850's and it held its own at 1920x1200 with AA on in titles. It just depends on the situation. Besides ATI has a better memory management system then nVidia from my experiance. It dumps unneeded before it slows down the system, nVidia's haven't, but they might of changed it and im sure i'll be hard pressed to find that out myself since I can't run any memory monitoring software for the GPU.
antiacid
07-26-2009, 03:56 PM
regarding 1920x1200 wow wotlk, I installed the game and created a trial account to test it out.
My specs are: q9650 @ 4.2ghz,4gb 1127mhz ddr2, p45 pro, 4870x2 + 4870 trifire, fatal1ty sound card and the video driver version is 9.3 I believe. This is all watercooled and the rig should be considered high-end enough to run wow.
In the starter zone, I get 450ish fps at lowest settings, 1920x1200x24 2x multisample. If I run everything at ultra, I drop to 58-63 fps. If I turn down the shadow slider 1 tick to the left, I jump up to 100fps and disabling full screen glow effect nets another 10-15fps increase, to 120. Ticking "reduce input lag" brings down the house to something like 55fps. Going to 4x multisample with ultra settings doesn't provide a noticeable increase in quality over 2x but drops fps by about 5-10. 8x is down at 45-50 but again, very small gain over 4 or even 2x.
At this point, I hear that going for a fast single graphic card would make more difference. I don't have access to a 4980 or a gtx285 so I can't really confirm that it would improve the scores. I guess next time I try, I could disable crossfire and see if it actually impacts performance and whatnot.
I guess that with wotlk and the Ultra setting, Wow can still be a system killer ;) I wonder what kind of hardware would be necessary to do Ultra at 2560@8x 45-60fps constant?