phenom X4 945ES 1st ten minutes

[cdawall]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090123/Capture023.jpg


its on water BIX240+MCR320+Aquaxtreme MC-05 PRO+Laing D5


i will post benchmarks after work


***update***

stepping on chip: FACOC AC 0825FPM


SPi 1M@4ghz

http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture025.jpg

SPi 1M@4.04ghz

http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture027341.jpg

SPi 32m

http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture025265.jpg


Generic CPU bench

http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture025334.jpg


wprime 32m@3.8ghz

http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture027.jpg


wprime 32m@3.9ghz

http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture026.jpg




http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/491891.png

[Glow9]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090123/Capture023.jpg


its on water BIX240+MCR320+Aquaxtreme MC-05 PRO+Laing D5


i will post benchmarks after work

ES?

[Oliver]

thx for posting

if it holds up sub 1.4v and play 4g bench ... seems quite okay huh? , would be interesting to see this under cold.

[AndreYang]

wow~AM3




what is NDA? lol

[cdawall]

ES?

yessir its a phenom 945BE ES chip i have pics of it at home just ended up at work 30min after it came in the mail


and this is only on a Crosshair II formula unluckily i didnt get an AM3 mobo with it

[SoF]

you make me wanna have one soooo badly :D

[cdawall]

thx for posting

if it holds up sub 1.4v and play 4g bench ... seems quite okay huh? , would be interesting to see this under cold.

i am at 1.6v right now i just set the volts high to make sure stability like the title said i have had it a whole 10min then went to work


i will also post pics of the cooling when i get home but its just under my standard water cooled loop

[Caveman787]

Was it actually at 1.375 volts?

or is it reading it wrong?

[Oliver]

thanks for information sir

keep pushing it

[cdawall]

Was it actually at 1.375 volts?

or is it reading it wrong?

already answered that one ;)



i am at 1.6v right now i just set the volts high to make sure stability like the title said i have had it a whole 10min then went to work


i will also post pics of the cooling when i get home but its just under my standard water cooled loop

[Glow9]

yessir its a phenom 945BE ES chip i have pics of it at home just ended up at work 30min after it came in the mail


and this is only on a Crosshair II formula unluckily i didnt get an AM3 mobo with it

Well I guess it answers if AM3s will work on AM2 mobos for sure. I'm surprised they arent sending out official chips yet. So how is this chip different than a 940?

[crazydiamond]

ddr2 & ddr3 mem controller - less pins

[roofsniper]

can you say the stepping? i am curious.

[cdawall]

can you say the stepping? i am curious.

FACOC

[roofsniper]

FACOC

hmmmmm thanks. you know how old the actual chip is?

[cdawall]

hmmmmm thanks. you know how old the actual chip is?

how about i post a pic of the chip for you?

[chew*]

CO stepping i'd guess is at least as old as week 43.

[cdawall]

CO stepping i'd guess is at least as old as week 43.

its 0825

[roofsniper]

its 0825

yea its a pretty old chip. it does have 938 pins right? i see it is listed as am2+. im wondering if cpuz will read am3 cpus as am2+ ones when they are in am2+ boards. the memory controller revision is what im also curious about. i see you have a CO when i believe CV is the most current one out there. interesting to see that you can get 4ghz on 1.375V. im assuming that 1.35V is stock for that chip. thanks for the results i hope to see more soon. but the 945 is so far away. :(

[Smalltimer]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090123/Capture023.jpg


its on water BIX240+MCR320+Aquaxtreme MC-05 PRO+Laing D5


i will post benchmarks after work

Thanks very much for this.
I can't wait to see the performance differences between this and the AM2 versions.

Also... does this mean the chips will all be this good in the OC dept?
If so, I can see AMD closing the gap yet a little more on the i7's but then again... will the DD3 cost differences pee on AMD's price advantages?

Anyways, I look forward to seeing more volts and(hopfully) higher clocks too :)

[cdawall]

yea its a pretty old chip. it does have 938 pins right? i see it is listed as am2+. im wondering if cpuz will read am3 cpus as am2+ ones when they are in am2+ boards. the memory controller revision is what im also curious about. i see you have a CO when i believe CV is the most current one out there. interesting to see that you can get 4ghz on 1.375V. im assuming that 1.35V is stock for that chip. thanks for the results i hope to see more soon. but the 945 is so far away. :(

yes and this was at pretty high volts cpuz doesn't read them correctly

[roofsniper]

will the DD3 cost differences pee on AMD's price advantages?


ddr3 should become cheaper soon and with am3 working both ways it should be fine. it really depends on the platform. if they can create good cheap motherboards that give a good performance bonus from ddr3 then it should be nice. if not then i don't see ddr3 being anything special but just moving along in technology and getting off the obsolete ram.

[Macadamia]

Wait, NB @ 1.8?


So it reverts to 1.8 in a AM2 socket? Ouch.

[roofsniper]

Wait, NB @ 1.8?


So it reverts to 1.8 in a AM2 socket? Ouch.

maybe, its an old chip so it doesn't say too much. cpuz sees it as a am2+ chip. maybe when bios comes that fully supports am3 chips it could put the nb at 2ghz. just the chip is over half a year old with no bios support.

[BeepBeep2]

yea its a pretty old chip. it does have 938 pins right? i see it is listed as am2+. im wondering if cpuz will read am3 cpus as am2+ ones when they are in am2+ boards. the memory controller revision is what im also curious about. i see you have a CO when i believe CV is the most current one out there. interesting to see that you can get 4ghz on 1.375V. im assuming that 1.35V is stock for that chip. thanks for the results i hope to see more soon. but the 945 is so far away. :(

It's at 1.6v :D

[cdawall]

maybe, its an old chip so it doesn't say too much. cpuz sees it as a am2+ chip. maybe when bios comes that fully supports am3 chips it could put the nb at 2ghz. just the chip is over half a year old with no bios support.

its not cranked all the way up its only been in my hands a few minutes lol



http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=491516


http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/491516.png

[cdawall]

here is a little more on the HT link
http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture024.jpg

[cdawall]

SPi 1M

http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture025.jpg


Generic CPU bench

http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture025334.jpg


wprime 32m

http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture027.jpg

[roofsniper]

did the chip come at a default of 2ghz HT speed? not that it matters since its an ES and will have different settings anyway. also i would be interested in how high u can get that HT link stable.

[cdawall]

did the chip come at a default of 2ghz HT speed? not that it matters since its an ES and will have different settings anyway. also i would be interested in how high u can get that HT link stable.

i set the HT link to 2.6ghz but it stayed locked @2ghz....

[Stuen4y]

I want to see what can make the chip at 1.6V. :rolleyes:

[Daveburt714]

Very Nice cdawall! I'm jealous man... :D

Your running this on a DDR2 board right? AMD is definetly on the right track, those scores will only get better when we get decent boards with DDR3, and it looks like Mobo manufactures are starting to take notice....

Gratz on the new chip man... :up:

[G-UNIT91]

cdawall

Can you compare 940BE???:D

[noki]

I'm sure that he is going to get the same results with this 945 than with the 940, the gap will be seen when ddr3 mobo and ram come.

[biohead]

0825? :O that chip's a granny. whatever results most likely won't reflect how retail chips are going to perform.

[Lightman]

0825? :O that chip's a granny. whatever results most likely won't reflect how retail chips are going to perform.

Yes, it still is RB-C1, only with enabled DDR3 support.
If rumor was true, then this chip paired with DDR3 might have very small advantage over DDR2 and/or some stability problems.

On the other hand we have proof that Deneb has DDR3 IMC, only AMD for some reason disabled it for AM2+ RB-C2 revision.
I'm still waiting for first leaked picture of RB-C3 stepping (AndreYang do you hear me :p:)

[cdawall]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture024690.jpg


its getting better :D

[cdawall]

now the crazy thing look at the coretemp dump


---------------------------------------------------
Core Temp version 0.99.4.65 - 32bit
---------------------------------------------------

Number of processors: 1
Number of cores: 4
Number of threads: 4

Processor information:
---------------------------------------------------

Processor 0
Package 0
Cores: 4 (Max 4)
Threads: 4 (Max 4)
Processor name: Quad-Core AMD Opteron 13 BE (Deneb) (Engineering Sample)
Processor name string: AMD Engineering Sample
Platform: Socket AM2+ (940 pin)
Processor signature: 0x100F41
Processor revision: RB-C1
Process node: 45 nm
Model: 0
Package type: 0x1
String 1: 0x0
String 2: 0x0
Page: 0x0

Processor speed: 3616.45MHz (200.91 x 18.0)
Bus speed: 2009.14MHz
Bus ratio: x10
Maximum voltage: 1.5500V
Instruction set: MMX+, 3DNow+, 3DNow Prefetch, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4A, x86-64
Feature set: VT, XD, CnQ
L1 data cache: 4 x 64 KiB, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size - 1 thread(s)
L1 instruction cache: 4 x 64 KiB, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size - 1 thread(s)
L2 cache: 4 x 512 KiB, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size - 1 thread(s)
L3 cache: 6144 KiB, 48-way set associative, 64-byte line size - 4 thread(s)




http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture025265.jpg


http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture026.jpg

[charged3800z24]

Wait, NB @ 1.8?


So it reverts to 1.8 in a AM2 socket? Ouch.

If it is like the 940, When I go above 2.6ghz NB, the chip auto sets HT to 1600. So, if 2000HT stock, and you go above 2600nb HT goes to 1800..or am I slow today?

[cdawall]

new max oc's

4.22ghz 18.5*228mhz

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/491891.png

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=491891

max multi

4.2ghz 21*200mhz

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/491916.png

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=491916

[Oliverda]

new max oc's

4.22ghz 18.5*228mhz

max multi

4.2ghz 21*200mhz



Voltages?

[cdawall]

Voltages?

1.65v for everything so far pushing high just well to get it to work lol finesse is for people with alot of time on there hands

[cdawall]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090124/Capture027341.jpg

[Glow9]

So essentially this thing is no different in terms of OCing than a 940 except has a cpl 200 extra mhz and can run ddr3? I just want to make sure here

[cdawall]

So essentially this thing is no different in terms of OCing than a 940 except has a cpl 200 extra mhz and can run ddr3? I just want to make sure here

pretty much the only real difference between the two chips is DDR3

[possessed]

If it is like the 940, When I go above 2.6ghz NB, the chip auto sets HT to 1600. So, if 2000HT stock, and you go above 2600nb HT goes to 1800..or am I slow today?

2600MHz is the motherboard's limit, that's why it resets.

from dfi:
HyperTransport 3.0 (5200MT/s [2600MHz] for AM2+) HyperTransport 1.0 (2000/1600MT/s [1000/800MHz] for AM2)

from asus same story:
Up to 5200 MT/s; HyperTransport™ 3.0 interface for AM2+ CPU
2000 / 1600 MT/s for AM2 CPU

[charged3800z24]

2600MHz is the motherboard's limit, that's why it resets.

from dfi:
HyperTransport 3.0 (5200MT/s [2600MHz] for AM2+) HyperTransport 1.0 (2000/1600MT/s [1000/800MHz] for AM2)

from asus same story:
Up to 5200 MT/s; HyperTransport™ 3.0 interface for AM2+ CPU
2000 / 1600 MT/s for AM2 CPU

I know, But I am refering to why the HT link drops from 1800 to 1600 when my NB is above 2600. I can set my NB to 2800mhz in the bios, and leave the HT auto, which is 1800, but once into windows, HT is now at 1600 and NB is still at 2800...See what I mean?..I just found it odd.

[gOtVoltage]

I know, But I am refering to why the HT link drops from 1800 to 1600 when my NB is above 2600. I can set my NB to 2800mhz in the bios, and leave the HT auto, which is 1800, but once into windows, HT is now at 1600 and NB is still at 2800...See what I mean?..I just found it odd.

First,, Nice ES and clocks ..

Second,, As for HT and Auto HT setting.

Look @ HT as the optimal freqency the mobo likes to run @ 2800nb.. A long time ago with phenom ive found that optimal Freqency on the HT can be a lot lower than what one would think you should run.

The HT is the main factor for stability on most mobos for the Chip to Run high Freqencies. Sometimes it takes less HT to make this optimal and sometimes Mobos like More HT to run optimal. In essence it is the Speed of NB and CPU which gives the performance while the HT gives the stability
.

I dont know an easier way to say that. It looks like that the HT lowers to the next best (100% stable freqency) when set on auto , that would be a good thing.

On a mobo thats rated for 3000HT you should see this when set HT to Auto. Now for mobo that can run more (5200ht), id say it will drop down once you get up to 5200+ . Once you reach its max HT point on Auto it should want to drop back down.

Agian it looks as if the Mobo is setting optimal HT vs highest HT..again this is what you would want. The mobo should always be running at its best HT freqency or (Optimal )to keep everything stable " Not its Highest HT freqency".

Lastly ,,
HT or Bios setting on Auto if it senses instability ,even when you are only running a chip @ 1800x2 =3600ht . Ive found it wiill/can lower the HT to a freqency that makes things more stable or Raise it to match what the CPU wants.Even if 1800ht is the default for a given chip.

Ive always used a Manual HT setting (never Auto). I simply dont use AUTO because it may choose to the lower the HT instead of raising it Higher which also could be stable . Ive found that in Most cases Slightly higher or Lower HT freqencies could both work Manually. But on Auto it would default to the best lower freqency to keep things stable.

In all if the NB is @ 2600mhz and it likes lower HT freqency(ON AUTO) thats not a bad thing. By all means i would try to set it (Manualy) while using different dividers and or HTT . Youll find that you should be able to get your HT back up 1800+.

Well thats my 2cents worth:D

Note: if you want 1800+ HT ..
Play with the HTT and use a lower HT divider untill your At the HT speed you want . Above 2600 it will default to 1800(most 5200ht mobos). So use HTT and HT dividers to keep the HT below its max it wont default. I can run 2600ht easy @ 2600nb,, i must use a HT of 10x 260= 2600 . In your case if NB is at 2800 and if the HTT is set high say 260 the Auto HT would see this maybe not set the correct limit .Instead of exceeding the limit it yould try to default to 1800ht.

EXAMPLE:
10xht 260htt = 2600x2 or 5200ht.. this is on the edge,,I use manual to get it, Auto will default the HT

9xht 260htt = 2340x2 or 4680ht .. this would keep under the Max HT,, Auto may work or may default.

Anyways i always use a Manual HT setting.

[Lightman]

Impressive clocking cdwall :up:

When are you expecting to get AM3 mobo?

[cdawall]

Impressive clocking cdwall :up:

When are you expecting to get AM3 mobo?

when i can find one my sources are sucking lately

[cdawall]

here's a 3d bench

http://img.techpowerup.org/090129/Capture028.jpg

[bacon612]

CDAwall, do you have Am3 mobo and DDR3 yet? They are out and shipping. I would love to see how you 945 performs on it. I am going to skip AM2+ and DDR2 but wont buy until AM3 PIIs x4s are out with 8 megs of cache an no multi lock. The 720 BE is tempting but i want to jump right to quad core.

[cdawall]

i will have one in the mail as soon as my 720BE RMA"s

[bacon612]

Do you expect you 945 to OC any better on the AM3 platform than the 940 does?

[ILikeCosmosS]

it might oc better once the new chipsets come i beleive the rd890 and the sb 800 which should be in by june
also amd is going to relase there FX proccessor hopfully it will be successful

[cdawall]

well i managed 4.22ghz on my 780a board enough for verification i'm going to get a M4A78t-e which is not quite as high end of a mobo but it is a 790GX with SB750 so it should oc very well anyway

[Throwed]

@cdawall.........See people like you are why people get killed. If I knew where you lived, I'd take a leg of lamb to your cranium and have that 945 in my M3A78.:lol:

[Raiderman]

it might oc better once the new chipsets come i beleive the rd890 and the sb 800 which should be in by june
also amd is going to relase there FX proccessor hopfully it will be successful

They are releasing an FX cpu?? Give me some links please!

[cdawall]

@cdawall.........See people like you are why people get killed. If I knew where you lived, I'd take a leg of lamb to your cranium and have that 945 in my M3A78.:lol:

i just sold like 5 of them and am getting another if you want one PM me

[Throwed]

You have been PM'ed!

[cdawall]

PM's have all been answered :D

[cdawall]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090224/Capture002960.jpg


got another one in lol this is @1.45v stable as a rock

[cdawall]

4ghz stable @1.5625v
http://img.techpowerup.org/090224/Capture003186.jpg



4.22ghz suicide
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/515356.png (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=515356)



http://img.techpowerup.org/090224/Capture052.jpg

[G0ldBr1ck]

gotta love those black edition Opteron's :p:

Thats the exact same Sucide OC I get with the one you sent me.

[cdawall]

they dont seem to want to go any higher than that...its probably the batch all of the ones i sent out are FACOC 0825's



and you need to leave me some heat

[G0ldBr1ck]

are you still getting a C2 or did it turn out to be that C1.

[cdawall]

nope sitll getting a C2

[cdawall]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090306/Capture066.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/090306/Capture067.jpg

[cdawall]

1st DICE run yields 4.7ghz

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/522655.png (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=522655)

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/522655.png

[msimax]

:clap:

[Chicken Patty]

congrats cdawall :up:

[cdawall]

:clap:


congrats cdawall :up:

thanks i'm going to try for some super pi runs and will see how different a good DDR3 and DDR2 kit are