Auzen X-Fi HomeTheater HD vs Auzen X-Fi Forte 7.1

[revlimiter9000]

Which is better Auzen X-Fi HomeTheater HD or Auzen X-Fi Forte 7.1? I am planning on building a HTPC system and I will be listening to music and watching movies. What do you guys suggest?

[tiro_uspsss]

these are barely out iirc.. if u go by price, the HTHD is more expensive ;) :D

[ranker]

When is the hometheater being released? Anyone know the price? Is is the successor the Prelude?

I'm wanting X-FI gaming quality of the Prelude with the HD home theater experience for my bluray movies. Is this the correct card or am I better off with the Forte?

[tiro_uspsss]

When is the hometheater being released? Anyone know the price? Is is the successor the Prelude?

I'm wanting X-FI gaming quality of the Prelude with the HD home theater experience for my bluray movies. Is this the correct card or am I better off with the Forte?

iirc, somewhere between USD$220-250

[slim142]

The HomeTheater is going to be expensive but yes I believe is going to be the replacement over the Prelude.

[ranker]

iirc, somewhere between USD$220-250

Is their end of January release date still accurate?

Thanks for the price quote so far.

[tiro_uspsss]

Is their end of January release date still accurate?

Thanks for the price quote so far.

u guys should have it already! :D
I just checked one of my fav etailers here in Aus. yesterday, & they have it listed! :yepp:
seeing as u Yanks get stuff before us Aussies, u should have it! :p: :up:

heres the Aus. etailer:

http://www.pccasegear.com/

just scroll down on that page, centre column :up:

edit: the auzentech website says the Forte is 'available now' - u can buy the Forte directly from Auzentech for USD$150.. I swear when I check their website couple weeks back u could pre-order the HTHD & as I said, iirc, price was USD$220-250.. still searching their website now to see if u can still pre-order :up:

edit2: oops, sorry, everything in bold is RE: Forte :( - my bad!

[ranker]

u guys should have it already! :D
I just checked one of my fav etailers here in Aus. yesterday, & they have it listed! :yepp:
seeing as u Yanks get stuff before us Aussies, u should have it! :p: :up:

heres the Aus. etailer:

http://www.pccasegear.com/

just scroll down on that page, centre column :up:

edit: the auzentech website says the Forte is 'available now' - u can buy the Forte directly from Auzentech for USD$150.. I swear when I check their website couple weeks back u could pre-order the HTHD & as I said, iirc, price was USD$220-250.. still searching their website now to see if u can still pre-order :up:

edit2: oops, sorry, everything in bold is RE: Forte :( - my bad!

Yeah, I don't really care for the Forte since I don't see any improvement upon it from the prelude. I'm only looking for the HomeTheater model. I guess there's no firm release date on it yet?

[Ket]

Why not a Asus Xonar D2X?

[ranker]

Why not a Asus Xonar D2X?

Because gaming wise it absolutely sucks compared to the Prelude. I own it and its now on the lady's rig because she never games.

[Ket]

Erm.. I don't know what your smoking but the Xonar does not suck when gaming. One of many many many many many many many Xonar reviews that will strongly disagree with you (http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-xonar-d2x-review/5)

Clearly, your speakers suck :D

[ranker]

Erm.. I don't know what your smoking but the Xonar does not suck when gaming. One of many many many many many many many Xonar reviews that will strongly disagree with you (http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-xonar-d2x-review/5)

Clearly, your speakers suck :D

Would you like to see my rig, my hifi setup, or either of my two pairs of $600 Senheisser headphones? I'm quite sure my components are up to snuff.

I can afford to splash around and buy sound cards on a regular basis. I've purchased the Xonar D2X, used it in my main rig, and found it completely inferior to the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude. Now whether the new STX is better? I'm not sure. I'm considering whether to pick one up for a test drive. But I can say wholeheartedly that all previous Xonar cards have been inferior to the Prelude.

Ironically, the review you linked confirmed what I've stated. Not only does the D2X result in lower frames per second, but it also does not support many important environmental effects. As a competitive gamer who has competed in the highest levels (CAL-I CS 1.6, CAL-M CoD2/4), any loss of distinguishing sounds and/or loss of frames is unacceptable.

[Ket]

Stop being such a weeny. You focus on 2 points, that are for the most part, completely moot. Your argument on FPS especially is so horrendously weak I won't even bother with it. Remind me again what difference 3FPS makes when your gaming at 50+FPS? Allow me to quote just what was said, as you seem to be suffering from temporary amnesia, or had sudden sight loss at anything you didn't want to read.


Games were played to determine the quality of the sound


Subjectively speaking, the D2X did a smooth job. The X-Meridian tends to emphasize the ambient bass rumble, while the SigmaTel (Intel HD audio) emphasized nothing and sounded a little weedy. The D2X probably did the best job with the echoes, which are everywhere, not too little and thankfully not too much. The X-Prelude was somewhere between the D2X and the X-Meridian, and the X-Audio didn't really do anything offensive nor memorable. In this game, I leaned towards the D2X, where the crisp and clean sound really makes the game sounds stand out and much more immersive.


we rest our case when you actually hear the game through the D2X. It's an assault on your ears, and the D2X certainly provided that!


One thing we did notice in our original X-Meridian review was that even though the card supported the Ultra 128-voice mode, it did exhibit some crackling with the sound. The Xonar D2X had none of that, it was smooth, playable, and the sounds just suck you into the chaotic world BF2142.

The essence of the technology is to allow games to detect the D2X as a sound card with EAX 3, 4, and 5. These EAX modes are present only in Creative products, such as the X-Fi Xtreme Gamer, supporting the latest EAX 5. Since Creative doesn't license EAX higher than 2.0, this naturally miffed Creative something fierce. This also means that the DS3D GX technology doesn't actually do any of the EAX processing higher than 2.0, it just tells the game it can. And a good time was had by all:

*chart shows D2X at the top of the table*


It’s just so pretty. The D2X in the ALT mode measures extremely well. Each measurement, THD, Noise, IMD, are all the best we’ve ever seen with RMAA. This alone is a bit of a red flag since I firmly believe nothing can measure this well. Then, of course, you realize you’re in the ALT mode, and that’s partially what it’s there for.

Unfortunately, using the loopback method with a cable produces the same damn results, with a single casualty: stereo crosstalk. I think it means I need a better cable.

No matter how you slice it, though, the D2X is scary good. Let's compare the D2X to sound cards of times passed.

This isn't an oranges to oranges comparison here, because the results are gathered over the years of testing with different versions of RMAA. But one thing is clear, the D2X performs pretty well innit? The Auzen X-Prelude uses similar quality DAC's and shows in the THD and IMD tests.

Discounting the rolloff of frequencies above 50 KHz, just look at those numbers! Some spikes up to -110 dB, but a floor of around -150 dB. This is just awesome performance for any kind of card, professional or enthusiast.

Total Harmonic Distortion measures how accurately the system can play back a single frequency, in this case a 1000 Hz tone. Basically, this thing is frighteningly clean, with most of the overtones at well under -110dB. This means that anything that gets played through the D2X will be very crisp and very clear.

Intermodulation distortion is produced when two or more frequencies added together (like real music is) introduce overtones not related any tones being played. This is sometimes called wolf-tones, or beat patterns. These are extremely bad for audio gear to introduce, especially if the piece of music actually uses intermodulation as a sound effect. Again, the D2X is eye-poppingly good.

Without a doubt, the D2X produces the best RMAA numbers we've ever seen, and it jives with what I found in the listening tests.


The D2X is not kind to bad recordings, or low bit rates. In fact it is extremely revealing of every detail. The next best thing, I believe, is being in the recording studio or at the live performance. The good side to the D2X is that while it is ruthlessly detailed, it seems somewhat warm and easy to listen to; I never felt the need to have the volume any higher than 19 or 20.

So there you have it. From the first few seconds of Twilight Zone I was a goner for the D2X. The worst of it was that I could not stop myslelf from playing song after song with the D2X. Yeah, this thing is the twilight zone of sound cards.


I will say, the D2X is very, very clear in any mode you throw at it.

In the case of Star Wars, the D2X may just cause you to shake your head in disbelief even more than normal.

In some movies, like The Matrix, where the audio portion was done exceptionally well and helps you get into the movie's world, in other movies, such as Star Wars, I marked a few occassions where the D2X made easy prey where sloppy sound editing was audible, level changes, overdubs, splicing, that sort of thing.

Thats enough quoting. No guff, no hot air, just FACTS.

Heres the link again for anyone wanting to read this review (http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-xonar-d2x-review/1)

[ranker]

Stop being such a weeny. You focus on 2 points, that are for the most part, completely moot. Your argument on FPS especially is so horrendously weak I won't even bother with it. Remind me again what difference 3FPS makes when your gaming at 50+FPS? Allow me to quote just what was said, as you seem to be suffering from temporary amnesia, or had sudden sight loss at anything you didn't want to read.















Thats enough quoting. No guff, no hot air, just FACTS.

Heres the link again for anyone wanting to read this review (http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-xonar-d2x-review/1)

Since when is subjective listening 'factual'? The only facts that I see is that this card doesn't even support EAX 3.0+.

3 FPS matters. Any little bit matters because any dip in frame rates during gameplay can be severely disadvantageous in competitive gaming. Most professional/competitive gamers like myself will often drop resolution down to the point where we'll never dip below 60FPS. However, many of us, including myself will still game on CRT's during competition simply because faster is better. Point is you don't competitively game, nor are you probably capable of doing so, nor do you understand what it is we look for performance wise. Therefore you have no standing to tell me how my priorities are off because they differ from yours. If you want to sing the praises of the D2X, by all means. But don't tell me that I'm wrong because I don't have the same priorities as you do or have inferior equipment when I clearly have better than yours.

I own and used both cards: the D2X & the Prelude. Can you say the same? I've put two to task and found one superior. How about you stop being a fanboy and resorting to personal attacks because someone on the internet felt one card sucks in every which way compared to another.

Here's another review that is similar with my assessment:
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=496&Itemid=27&limit=1&limitstart=5

[Donnie27]

Stop being such a weeny. You focus on 2 points, that are for the most part, completely moot. Your argument on FPS especially is so horrendously weak I won't even bother with it. Remind me again what difference 3FPS makes when your gaming at 50+FPS? Allow me to quote just what was said, as you seem to be suffering from temporary amnesia, or had sudden sight loss at anything you didn't want to read.

Thats enough quoting. No guff, no hot air, just FACTS.

Heres the link again for anyone wanting to read this review (http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-xonar-d2x-review/1)

That their OPINION and there aren't any facts at all.

Their whole review is a bunch of BS! The problems with Crystal Clear Game sounds as they say, that they don't change from environment to environment. There are echos where they shouldn't be and bunch of FLAWS! Guru3D is well known for being Creative labs bashers and there are so many lies in that review you'd have to use a Two page post to point them out.

Anyone listening to these cards would to be paid to say Xonar sounds as good for games as a Prelude and I suspect Guru3D was.



That leaves one, final issue: the price. At under $200, it's fairly competitive for a high-end sound card, but the Xonar DX, which did nearly as well in the benchmarks and sounds just as good to most human ears, runs around $90. It also manages to monkey-wrench its way through EAX, using a software layer to simulate the effects right up to Advanced HD 5, but is imperfect in some games. EAX on Creative cards always works, even if you need ALchemy in Windows Vista. There is one X-Fi Titanium going for $99

Thus, it's with gusto that we recommend this new generation of PCI Express Sound Blaster. The gaming sound doesn't get any better than this, and movies and music also sound crystal clear


http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2316949,00.asp

This is the worst of the lies and BS!



The essence of the technology is to allow games to detect the D2X as a sound card with EAX 3, 4, and 5. These EAX modes are present only in Creative products, such as the X-Fi Xtreme Gamer, supporting the latest EAX 5. Since Creative doesn't license EAX higher than 2.0, this naturally miffed Creative something fierce. This also means that the DS3D GX technology doesn't actually do any of the EAX processing higher than 2.0, it just tells the game it can. And a good time was had by all:


Creative does license EAX and X-Fi DSP. While their at it, why not mention that Asus bought out the Rights to the C-Media Chip that Auzentech and others had been using. So Auzentech much at robbed Creative since they don't license it uh?

Given the exclusive status of higher EAX versions, we were surprised to see Asus' recently announced Xonar DX sound card claim to support "EAX 5.0 sound effects." That card uses a version of the Oxygen HD audio chip made by C-Media, so it definitely doesn't have a Creative audio processor onboard. We weren't surprised, then, when Creative VP of Corporate Communications Phil O'Shaughnessy contacted us disputing Asus' claims. According to O'Shaughnessy, the Xonars do not support EAX versions 5, 4, or even 3. The cards, he says, are "falsely reporting EAX 5 capabilities" and failing to deliver a "genuine EAX Advanced HD experience." Touché.

We passed Creative's response over to Asus, which responded in detail explaining how the Xonar deals with DirectSound 3D audio and EAX. Both are handled by a new version 2.0 of Asus' DirectSound 3D Game Extensions (DS3D GX) primed to support 128 voices with enhanced reverb effects for "most" DirectSound 3D games, including those that take advantage of EAX 5.0. DS3D GX works by intercepting DirectSound 3D and EAX calls generated by games and redirecting them to Asus' own audio processing engine, which then attempts to mimic the intended effects.


With the Xonar D2X, Asus has done an end run to get a level of advanced EAX support in the card—but it’s not without controversy. The D2X instructs games that it has EAX 5, and the card’s drivers then shunt the EAX calls into its own effects engine. The results are far from perfect. Using EAX compliance tools, we found that the drivers didn’t support many EAX functions, such as reverb and filtering. Asus even admits to this.

So what would we buy? It depends. The advanced EAX in the Xonar is flawed, but it sorta works. If you want a full EAX 5 card, you have to go X-Fi.

Add to that Transitions, Multi-Room or area effect, Elevation, and long @$$ed list of other features.

The Auzentech Cards does it better than the Creative Cards. Plus Asus Can't touch CMSS3D for Games:rolleyes:

[Zorlac]

Will the HomeTheater HD card output multi-channel OpenAL+EAX via multi-channel PCM for an external receiver to play using HDMI?

[Levish]

just got my Forte installed, very happy with it compared to the SupremeFX or whatever it was called "add-in" card

[Donnie27]

Will the HomeTheater HD card output multi-channel OpenAL+EAX via multi-channel PCM for an external receiver to play using HDMI?

Yes and it is done in a Lossless fashoin. Too bad my old Harmon Kardon doesn't support either True HD sound format:rolleyes:

[ToTTenTranz]

Guru3D is very good for videocard reviews and very, very bad and anti-creative biased for soundcard reviews.

That particular review is an authentic joke. They compared the 170$ Asus Xonar D2X directly to the low-cost 40$ Creative Xtreme Audio, which is not even an actual X-Fi:


X-Fi Xtreme Audio

The entry-level model of the X-Fi series, the Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio, does not actually have the EMU20K1 chip but is a re-branded Audigy SE, using the same family of chips (CA0106-WBTLF), and even the same drivers.[8] Thus, not only is all of the X-Fi–related processing performed in software, but it also lacks basic hardware acceleration just like the SB Live! 24-bit, the Audigy SE and other budget Soundblaster models. The X-Fi Xtreme Audio does not use the same drivers as the rest of the X-Fi family, some games do not recognize it as being "X-Fi capable hardware", and the device's hardware profile resembles that of older Live! and Audigy cards.

Furthermore, users have reported that it slows down some applications and games, and that rear sound in games (all) is muffled and of profoundly low quality.[15][16][17] Thus, even if the card is marketed as part of the X-Fi line, it does not belong to it technically, just like the Audigy SE doesn't technically belong to the Sound Blaster Audigy series. The card is not marketed as supporting the "X-Fi Gaming Mode" (but is still marketed as "X-Fi"), and there are no official implicit or explicit statements regarding its having hardware acceleration or not.

So this is as fair as saying nVidia is teh best because the 9800GT beats the HD4450.


Furthermore, in their very first game "benchmark" they conveniently disable the EAX effects, so that the poor Xtreme-Audio couldn't even shine with its software-processed EAX 4.0 effects. In the next game they say the Xtreme Audio is very good with its EAX 5 effects, which the Xtreme Audio doesn't even support.
I could go on and on about this stupid review but I'd rather pretend it never existed because I actually like Guru3D for other stuff.

B(i)asing a soundcard opinion on Guru3D means one is either totally ignorant about soundcards or an anti-creative basher.

[Donnie27]

Guru3D is very good for videocard reviews and very, very bad and anti-creative biased for soundcard reviews.

That particular review is an authentic joke. They compared the 170$ Asus Xonar D2X directly to the low-cost 40$ Creative Xtreme Audio, which is not even an actual X-Fi:

So this is as fair as saying nVidia is teh best because the 9800GT beats the HD4450.

Furthermore, in their very first game "benchmark" they conveniently disable the EAX effects, so that the poor Xtreme-Audio couldn't even shine with its software-processed EAX 4.0 effects. In the next game they say the Xtreme Audio is very good with its EAX 5 effects, which the Xtreme Audio doesn't even support.

I could go on and on about this stupid review but I'd rather pretend it never existed because I actually like Guru3D for other stuff.

B(i)asing a soundcard opinion on Guru3D means one is either totally ignorant about soundcards or an anti-creative basher.

Sad part, the Mods on the forum are Creative Bashers and Anti Creative as well. I was Banned for complaining about one of their Favorite Creative Bashers flaming me:rofl: Sure Asus greased some pocket books.

I'm not crazy about anything reviewed there, I just don't trust their word. I do visit for downloads and etc.....

[ROBSCIX]

The Upcoming HTHD and the Forte' are aimed at very different markets and really meant for different users. While the HTHD will have all the gaming standards avialable from the X-fi chip, it is really marketed more towards the HT guys and the HDMI crowds or so it would seem. although it has HDMI, the card also has full analog and digital outs for both DDL/DTS-C and HDMI (LPCM/Bitstream). You can think of the Forte' as a little brother to the Prelude, but I think the HTHD will be the new flagship when released. Atleast that is how I see the situation from the information avaialble.

[slim142]

Yeah, and it was suppose to come out in january, like always Auzentech and their delays.
Oh well, hopefully this delay is because they are doing last fixes so they dont have to release 5 driver releases like Prelude.

[Søndergård]

Hi guys.

Sorry for bringing an old thread back from the dead, but any chance someone inhere knows anything about the releae date of the Auzen X-Fi HomeTheater HD ?

Should have been January :(

[slim142]

Nothin here
I also want to see what that card has to offer. Maybe demand for sound cards has dropped and are waiting for a better time for release?

[ranker]

Waiting for its release myself.

[slim142]

Hopefully it will be PCI-Ex 1x and will have a shield protector.

[DeathTyrant]

Hopefully they will hurry the smeg up!

[soulesschild]

This looks like my sound card of choice whenever the hell it gets released....=[

[ScythedBlade]

Just wanted to say that Ket lost the argument by being a nub ...

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Auzen X-Fi is creative's chip under sister company name

and your point?

Auzen makes high quality hardware to go with the x-fi chip and publishes working drivers so I dont see why its important that they are somehow affiliated with creative.

[RoadconeTuning]

whats wrong with creative?

[Donnie27]

Stop being such a weeny. You focus on 2 points, that are for the most part, completely moot. Your argument on FPS especially is so horrendously weak I won't even bother with it. Remind me again what difference 3FPS makes when your gaming at 50+FPS? Allow me to quote just what was said, as you seem to be suffering from temporary amnesia, or had sudden sight loss at anything you didn't want to read.

The essence of the technology is to allow games to detect the D2X as a sound card with EAX 3, 4, and 5. These EAX modes are present only in Creative products, such as the X-Fi Xtreme Gamer, supporting the latest EAX 5. Since Creative doesn't license EAX higher than 2.0, this naturally miffed Creative something fierce. This also means that the DS3D GX technology doesn't actually do any of the EAX processing higher than 2.0, it just tells the game it can. And a good time was had by all:Thats enough quoting. No guff, no hot air, just FACTS.

Heres the link again for anyone wanting to read this review (http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-xonar-d2x-review/1)

Very few facts and a lot of warped Opinions. Many here already know Guru3D isn't the best place for UNBIASED info about Creative Labs:rofl:

NO Asus card can do EAX 3, 4 and or 5=P They are limited to doing one or two of the features at different times. The difference is made more noticeable as the Equipment used gets better. You guys need to get your facts right as well. Creative does license ALL EAX features:rolleyes: The problem is Asus doesn't want to pay a license fee. Please note, Asus, MSI, Auzentech and others have licensed before. Asus (FX) even uses some of Creative's technology. Sure they've reversed engineered some of the tech:ROTF:

Forte has a nice Heaphone Amp and Prelude doesn't.


SNiiPE_DoGG Quote:

Originally Posted by KaptCrunch
Auzen X-Fi is creative's chip under sister company name and your point?

Auzen makes high quality hardware to go with the x-fi chip and publishes working drivers so I dont see why its important that they are somehow affiliated with creative.

Creative makes the drivers, not Auzentech, they tweak them. I'd be happier if they left them the hell alone:D

[Donnie27]

tell me after you try S/PDIF out, no dolby data from chip

Tell me when you know what you're talking about? Forte, Prelude as well as almost all Creative Cards support and have working DDL and DTS Connect. Even without hacks and warez patches, there legal means like;

Dolby® Digital Live or DTS Connect (http://www.soundblaster.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=879&product=18034&listby=)

[Donnie27]

hmmm



can = to have the right or qualifications to: He can change whatever he wishes in the script.

so if your looking for 7.1 its SOL

DTS logo is not true to standard.

It's not "can", it's DOES since I'm using 5.1 via S/PDIF on an Audigy 2ZS and X-Fi Platinum. It's always worked on my Prelude. I'm not using it on 7.1 and also Only Dolby and DTS True HD makes use of 7.1 anyway. Games don't support real 7.1. I honestly think you should use what you're complaining about before you go any farther:up: My Harmon Kardon supports DTS and it lights up on the Receiver and works fully=P

DTS just uses less compression but it is otherwise no different than DDL.

[Donnie27]

LIKE MAY WHAT ? note ....that it don't work true dolby multi-channel due to limitations of CT's IU 3 channel chip, rest is simulatated from the Sound Blaster EAX panel

the light on your amp means sub woofer is active

Again, THEY WORK! There are NO limitations for surround and with analog out or S/PDIF=P

The "may" they are talking about has to do with if the Receiver's capability, NOT THE sound card. The light on my Harmon Kardon and or my Pioneer lights up when either gets the proper signal=P I can switch to Neo-6, DDL, DTS and the distinctive CLICK of the receiver changing modes can be heard.


DTS 24/96 represents an audio format used for storing high-definition music with several channels. This format is primarily used in DVD Audio, or audio tracks which accompany video DVDs. The name comes from the fact that the tracks are recorded in 24 bits at 96 kHz. It may be in either stereo or 5.1.

Some receivers don't support DTS 24/96 mode, 2 of mine does and the older one doesn't.

As my Den is almost finished I showed at least 3 of my buds 5.1 with a Blue Ray set at DTS for MIB and DVD Animusic with absolute 5.1 surround. My computer did the same effects with the DVD:D The other is the sweet-as$ed Hotel California DVD Audio Disc that I used to make sure my Computer, Blue-Ray and DVD are set up correctly. I still want at least a Pioneer VSX-D819 for True HD Dolby and DTS. My HTPC has a X-Fi Platinum with I/O drive bay.

Again, try and test the cards with the correct receivers for yourself?

[Donnie27]

note i use yamaha RX-V3800 has current decoders dts-HD-THX-ES, NEO-6, dolby pro logic IIx

been there done that with DVD u571 DTS the subwoofer works fine its just the additional channel aren't coming when playing through PC

that movie is my low end sound tester when sub is being depth charged and will hit other positional channels with glass breaking.

Sorry I missed your post. Some folks didn't install all of the software. There's an app that checks the speaker's positioning and makes sure they're connected correctly.

CMSS3D can do two things, make two channels play/output through 5.1 and Breakdown 5.1 to 2 Drivers (Speakers or Headphones). Never use CMSS3D with 5.1 speakers for Analog or Digital out. Every time I've check systems with problems getting correct positional audio, it was because CMSS3D was enabled, turn it off and Movies sound as they should via analog and S/PDIF. Even helped a few folks here:up:

Oh and Independence Day for earth shaking explosions! First scene on the moon to test direction and bass!

The only way you're going to tell the difference is with Blue Ray is outputting in Dolby True HD, DTS Master or etc... Most movie tracks aren't recorded at a high enough to make that much difference otherwise. I like DTS 24/96!