5Ghz air done Core i7 Extreme

[FUGGER]

Francois from Intel came to Las Vegas for a few days to play on the Cascade with some good chips as well as go over current known issues. Testing the setup on air we wanted to see what the first chip out would do.

Cherry chip, Core i7 Extreme
Intel DX58SO Smackover 403
Thermaltake 120 w/ two fans
1.47vcore
70c on all cores
4 cores / threads enabled
Recorded in HD - video soon

This chips max frequency was 5.7Ghz on the triple stage @ -100c

http://fugger.netfirms.com/maxair.jpg

Done Thanksgiving day, many thanks Intel.

[Kaffebord]

SICK!

Can't wait for results on the cascade.

[eva2000]

wow.. on air!

how many cherry chips will you be testing ?

[loopy83]

Wow.... amazing chip...

Maybe you can post your Biossettings?

[flopper]

cherry pie taste good.:D

[over@locker886]

Wow, very nice!:)

[NBF]

wooow! Nice :clap:

Ill be pleased if you send me the worst cherry after you guys are done with it. :rofl:

[Solarfall]

thats a pretty insane chip..the cascade results will be interesting to say the least :D keep pushing it !!

[Ghostbuster]

Maybe Francois should create a new line of products called "Cherry Edition" :D

[PcCI2iminal]

fantastic

Dr. Who is not joking hehehehe
Charles bring to us the Magic7

[Zucker2k]

Wow that was quick. I like a man who keeps his words; 6Ghz should be a walk in the park. :up:

[.p4nzer]

Killer chip, indeed...

[Kane]

Awsome CPU, insane speed on air cooling. :eek:

[BenchZowner]

F*ck!
5.7GHz i7 will be more than good enough for some serious AquaMark 3 & 3D Mark06 damage.
Show us some numbers Charles!

[George_o/c]

Now that's nice ! :up: :eek:

Results under cascade must be awesome ! :eek2:

[StrangerS]

:eek2: 5Ghz on air. :shocked:

[dpa]

why cutting out the stepping/model number Charles..? :D

[dread77]

This is unbelievable!!! Is this with all 8 threads enabled?:shocked:

[Oliver]

awesome man, that chip is screaming litteraly uh

cant wait to see some damage done

keep pushing it

[Ozzfest05]

Good job nice to see this chip being pushed although I figured a cherry chip would do 6ghz but 5.7 is damn good

[Hornet331]

holy moly 5ghz on air. :shock:

[Razzz]

Impressive!!!

[soulesschild]

Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: that's insane. But isn't over 1.4 vcore bad for the 45 mm chips?

[Ozzfest05]

Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: that's insane. But isn't over 1.4 vcore bad for the 45 mm chips?

then you dont want to see the E8600 runs with 1.9 v

[dami1stm]

Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: that's insane. But isn't over 1.4 vcore bad for the 45 mm chips?

No 1.47v it is without danger.

Look at the page 22 of this pdf:
http://download.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/320834.pdf

Ahh...and nice frequency on air :D

[TheKarmakazi]

Amazing results!! 5ghz on air is :clap:!!! I was excited to get 5040Mhz on my 8600 stable!

Good job nice to see this chip being pushed although I figured a cherry chip would do 6ghz but 5.7 is damn good

Just a cascade got 5.7 @ -100, maybe if the chip has low coldbug, you could do LN2 @ -140 getting 6+Ghz

[SAE]

Wow. Just a super cherry chip or was its thermal diode modified?

Anyway, Charles will definitely crack the 6GHz barrier soon. :up:

[Pederrs]

Come on Charles we wanna see that stepping/Revision :D

Cool result, i really hope we are going to see a lot of new chips over 5GHz :sonic:

[Sup3rman]

Is this a retail chip or ES? Does this chip have the special mods that only Intel can do? I'm assuming these are retail binned chips with no mods...

[TheKarmakazi]

Is this a retail chip or ES? Does this chip have the special mods that only Intel can do? I'm assuming these are retail binned chips with no mods...

From another thread

All done guys, very impressive results and worked out some details to improve the quality of future chips for everyone overclocking and average users alike.

The results from the past two days are being reviewed for any errors, only results from un-modified chips will be shown as there may be some issue to fudging, to eliminate this possibility only the righteous chip screen shots will be shown.

Im getting approval tonight on screen shots, so hang tight.

[TheGanG]

Cherry chip, Core i7 Extreme
Intel DX58SO Smackover 403
Thermaltake 120 w/ two fans
1.47vcore
70c on all cores
4 cores / threads enabled
Recorded in HD - video soon

This chips max frequency was 5.7Ghz on the triple stage @ -100c
Done Thanksgiving day, many thanks Intel.

Amazing air result, would you please share Intel SO BIOS Settings with us?
That will be a good reference point for me...

Thanks a lot...

[socket]

is it eng sample?

[systemviper]

Now that is XTREME! :up: :surf:

[PonDTranG]

:eek2: 5Ghz on air. :shocked:

yes... :clap:

[HDCHOPPER]

WTG Fugger !!

[WaterFlex]

Just REAL XTREME. Congrats, mate! Very well done.

[Bullet92]

Hey m8, that's insane... Want to see some 3DM damage soon ;) GL

[Northwood]

only results from un-modified chips will be shown

Like we believe that, we all know Fugger is intel's puppet, he says what they pay him to say, how can you prove it's unmodded? and why hide the stepping/revision?


It's all marketing, your average retail chip will never reach these speeds.

My money says (ES).

[Gendo]

I sincerely hope this is a retail chip with a new stepping/revision! If so, we'll be having some good times when they are released. If not, Intel's a b*tch for showing us these results:p:

[Frontl1ne]

It's not a retail chip as far as I know. They are super cherry picked cream of the crop samples.

[Movieman]

Like we believe that, we all know Fugger is intel's puppet, he says what they pay him to say, how can you prove it's unmodded? and why hide the stepping/revision?


It's all marketing, your average retail chip will never reach these speeds.

My money says (ES).

My money says banned..:D

[drizzt5]

It's not a retail chip as far as I know. They are super cherry picked cream of the crop samples.

I would be very surprised if it was retail, but that doesn't stop me from hoping it is :)

5ghz on air, gewd gawd.

[Movieman]

Fugger said these aren't retail chips.

[T_Flight]

hahahaha :ROTF: God I love it! This is outstanding!

...err, I mean the OC'ing Fugger did...not the fanboi that got kicked out.

[GAR]

Fugger, do you ever sell good cpu's like this? if you do PMME i will pick one up!

Also a question for you guys who know most about the Core i7, any word on Loadline Calibration, some were saying 45NM cpu's from intel die from it, is this true for i7???

[Movieman]

hahahaha :ROTF: God I love it! This is outstanding!

...err, I mean the OC'ing Fugger did...not the fanboi that got kicked out.

It's not the first time that guy has made nasty comments here.
You don't come to Fugger's site and talk about him like that.
I sent him on a 7 day vacation and that was being nice.
Should have been a year.

[Rol-Co]

Very nice speed aircooled fugger, can you explain why youre efficienty of pi sucks that hard? i have the almost the same score 8.625 at 4740 mhz (also aircooled b.t.w) max frequency 4800+

[T_Flight]

It's not the first time that guy has made nasty comments here.
You don't come to Fugger's site and talk about him like that.
I sent him on a 7 day vacation and that was being nice.
Should have been a year.

Yeah, I just wanted to make sure somebody didn't miscontrue my comments to mean I was applauding what he said above. I was being careful. :D

[George_o/c]

Very nice speed aircooled fugger, can you explain why youre efficienty of pi sucks that hard? i have the almost the same score 8.625 at 4740 mhz (also aircooled b.t.w) max frequency 4800+

I think he probably ran that 1M run, just to make a point : 5GHz+ not only at cpu-z suicide screenshot, but also 1M stable ;)

[FUGGER]

My memory and qpi were at lowest ratios to rule out those factors, I was going for 5Ghz and made short work of it. I did not spend much time on air for each chip, this was the first one tested and it was semi decent. Best of all, its on HD video.

Northwood doesnt bother me, he has been here forever.

[dinos22]

5GHz on air

faints

show us the cascade benches if they are saved :)

[loonym]

Nice work Charles and Francois. :up:
They had already said these were going to be very special chips not to be confused with retail but we can always hope. This bodes well for the future.

[Brian y.]

There are going to plenty of records starting to fall.....

Where is the sub 7 minute 32M run?:D

Thanks for sharing:)

[dinos22]

with 5.7/5.8 he'll probably hit sub 6m mark rofl :shocked:

[Hornet331]

I did not spend much time on air for each chip, this was the first one tested and it was semi decent. Best of all, its on HD video.



:shocked: i want to have the same preception of performance as you do. :D

[Movieman]

:shocked: i want to have the same preception of performance as you do. :D

Yea, 5GHz on air..semi decent..:rofl:

[cadaveca]

So, will there be a point in time where we can expect this of retail chips? I mean, will we get, like, a 3.6ghz stock, 5ghz OC chip?

[npk]

what´s the max freq with 8 threads enabled? and max freq 3d stable? excellent results!

[TheKarmakazi]

There are going to plenty of records starting to fall.....

Where is the sub 7 minute 32M run?:D

Thanks for sharing:)

Sub 7 is already done...;)

[Achill3uS]

Sub 7 is already done...;)

can you show it? coz i didn't seen any 6min results shared http://www.ripping.org/benchmarks.php?act=scores&superpi=32M
but ofc we all know its already done :D

anyway congrats Fugger, this chip is insane, have fun playing with :up:

btw if possible (i mean its allowed you), pls tell us THE batch :)

[Drwho?]

I got the video on HDV tape and HD 1080i camera, I am starting editing ... (ETA: end of week end)
That was fun!

[T_Flight]

Cool, I can't wait to see HD Video! My monitor is 32" HD! :clap:

[Zucker2k]

I got the video on HDV tape and HD 1080i camera, I am starting editing ... (ETA: end of week end)
That was fun!Sweet, can't wait to see that 5Ghz action on air. :up:

[OMEGA3]

FUGGER-san

5Ghz with air, So sweet!!:toast:

[mike]

Awesome clocks - hopefully we'll see similar clockable CPUs in the retail channels as well!

[Hazzan]

well done finnaly you can get 5Ghz on air .....amazing chip...:up::up:

[CCUABIDExORxDIE]

how many cores were enabled, you can't see it in the screenshot.

[FUGGER]

Thanks guys

4 cores 8 threads enabled.

vcore 1.47v
vmem 1.66v
qpi 1.35v

memory @ 6
uclk @ 12
qpi @ 36x
SPD

33x152bclock

[mongoled]

** WARNING THIS POST IS IN GOOD HUMOUR AND OLYMPIC SPIRIT **

Now for a bit of fun, hopefully they green guys will take up the torch and we will see a similar thread in the Xtreme Overclocking section titled

'5Ghz air done Phenom II (golden cherry picked sample)'

where Macci will be dictating the action with his camera man, heeehehee

Lets see the action roll

:D

** WARNING OVER **

[Harshal]

Awesome!! :up:
Awaiting 5.7G numbers...

[dduckquack]

waiting for the results from the "decent" chips :shocked:

[diablos]

wait for 5.7ghz score:shocked:

[T_Flight]

** WARNING THIS POST IS IN GOOD HUMOUR AND OLYMPIC SPIRIT **

Now for a bit of fun, hopefully they green guys will take up the torch and we will see a similar thread in the Xtreme Overclocking section titled

'5Ghz air done Phenom II (golden cherry picked sample)'

where Macci will be dictating the action with his camera man, heeehehee

Lets see the action roll

:D

** WARNING OVER **

I would love to see that. It would be awesome! See? This could motivate people in a positive way if we kept it freindly. Let's fire it up. Seriously. C'mon guys DO IT! I dare ya. ;) C'mon. It would be Super Really Cool.

[X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE]

Very nice congrats :up:

[Rol-Co]

My memory and qpi were at lowest ratios to rule out those factors, I was going for 5Ghz and made short work of it. I did not spend much time on air for each chip, this was the first one tested and it was semi decent. Best of all, its on HD video.

Northwood doesnt bother me, he has been here forever.

No offence charles,but youre efficienty is 42700 , i can't even get it that low at vista, the intel board is a sample board or special bios with lower qpi/uclk dividers? that would explane this and why you get it that high.

george o/c
running 1m stable here too at 4740 air...if i could run 5ghz+ it would be a 8.1xx pi 1m score. No tweaks or what so ever just run it..

[dinos22]

No offence charles,but youre efficienty is 42700 , i can't even get it that low at vista, the intel board is a sample board or special bios with lower qpi/uclk dividers? that would explane this and why you get it that high.

george o/c
running 1m stable here too at 4740 air...if i could run 5ghz+ it would be a 8.1xx pi 1m score. No tweaks or what so ever just run it..

are you getting around 41K

[Rol-Co]

easy dinos22.... 41000 is normal, 40300 with higher memory (800 7-7-7).

[dinos22]

easy dinos22.... 41000 is normal, 40300 with higher memory (800 7-7-7).

interesting
i am getting above 41K with gigabyte (high RAM clocks and all
at stock its mid 40K roughly

[Rol-Co]

Mabe you should try dualchannel dinos ;)

http://www.rol-co.nl/hwi/4533-8.891.jpg

http://www.rol-co.nl/hwi/4740-1m.jpg

[Movieman]

Thanks guys

4 cores 8 threads enabled.

vcore 1.47v
vmem 1.66v
qpi 1.35v

memory @ 6
uclk @ 12
qpi @ 36x
SPD

33x152bclock

Is that on the MB in your sig?

[natedog420]

no its the intel smackover board with 403 bios. read it in first post:D

[George_o/c]

Mabe you should try dualchannel dinos ;)

http://www.rol-co.nl/hwi/4533-8.891.jpg

http://www.rol-co.nl/hwi/4740-1m.jpg

Yeah I noticed that your runs are at around ~40.3k pp easy ... So you're saying that it's the dual-channel that does the trick ? :)

'Cause most of the guys are at around 41k ...

[Rol-Co]

For sure triple is not alway's faster, or it does not give you advance.

some benchmarks like 32m (http://www.rol-co.nl/hwi/4650-32m-air.jpg) like the triple...

[George_o/c]

Οk thanks for the heads up Rol-Co :)

[RPGWiZaRD]

I wish Intel would offer such modified retail chips like these FUGGER is testing. No fun only watching when you know it's impossible to get retail chips overclocking like these. :( Maybe Lynnfield will be better though.

[Drwho?]

I wish Intel would offer such modified retail chips like these FUGGER is testing. No fun only watching when you know it's impossible to get retail chips overclocking like these. :( Maybe Lynnfield is better though.

Those chip get sold into the stream ... they are somewhere ... the problem is to catch them. :yepp:

[RPGWiZaRD]

Those chip get sold into the stream ... they are somewhere ... the problem is to catch them. :yepp:

I was referring to this http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=209057

Intel plans its own public demonstration of the overclocking capabilities of the Core i7 processors. This, in response to rival AMD achieving an overclock of well beyond 5.00 GHz, and booting at speeds above 6.00 GHz. The engineers at Intel reportedly carried out a large-scale binning of Core i7 processors, to cherry-pick the best performing part. The scale of binning could well be best of 100,000 units.

A chief engineer at Intel, Francoise Piednoel expressed his reservations regarding the 6.00 GHz overclocking feat AMD carried out with its upcoming Phenom II X4 processor last week, saying that the overclocking capabilities of the Phenom II X4 demonstrated do not reflect those of release-grade products, and cannot be replicated in a real-world setting. AMD may have disabled several sensors on the cherry-picked chip used in its demonstration, which facilitated that overclock. In response to this, Intel would be disabling the same sensors, in its special demonstration chip. The demo could be held at CES 2009. The professional overclocker chosen to achieve this feat would be none other than FUGGER from XtremeSystems. FUGGER could be set the task of taking the most desirable, binned Core i7 965 Extreme Edition chip all the way up to a stellar 7.00 GHz, if all goes well.

So this chip isn't one of those "special" chips then? If so, no retail ones will O/C as good no matter how cherry picked they are.

[Drwho?]

I was referring to this http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=209057



So this chip isn't one of those "special" chips then? If so, no retail ones will O/C as good no matter how cherry picked they are.

we DID NOT DISSABLE to get there. I said that we may, but we did not.

[Lastviking]

Nice chip there Fugger :) , gratz to nice clocks.


I realy hope this chips will not be used to take some WR.... i think it would be cheating(not all can get Cherry picked cpus, so the WR fighting will not be fair anymore)

Screens and more is :up: from me..

But taking WR in 3Dmark and more is "Big" :down: from me.

[Zucker2k]

Nice chip there Fugger :) , gratz to nice clocks.


I realy hope this chips will not be used to take some WR.... i think it would be cheating(not all can get Cherry picked cpus, so the WR fighting will not be fair anymore)

Screens and more is :up: from me..

But taking WR in 3Dmark and more is "Big" :down: from me.What you obviously don't know is that the guys with the WRs mostly have handpicked gems. People even pass the same gems around to their friends. Don't look past the fact that even if the chips are cherrypicked, they're still Intel products. We don't need to be myopic here, neither AMD nor Intel is promising 6Ghz retail chips to the end user.

[fubarswe]

.., what ever chip it is.., extremely impressive and ofcourse big congrats to sweet results!!! :-)

[Bobsama]

I've a single question...

What's your max b-clock for that Smackover board?

[Lastviking]

What you obviously don't know is that the guys with the WRs mostly have handpicked gems. People even pass the same gems around to their friends. Don't look past the fact that even if the chips are cherrypicked, they're still Intel products. We don't need to be myopic here, neither AMD nor Intel is promising 6Ghz retail chips to the end user.

Handpicked and cherrypicked is diffrent. If you want to take a WR you need to test many chips and find the best one to have any chance to get the WR(thats ok all can do that) , But if Amd or Intel give out cherrypicked chips thats normal users cant buy/get is a very diffrent story.

Are you geting it now? , or do you dont stil not understand me?

Ps. I have been around many years so i understand and know the most stuff here.

[mongoled]

Handpicked and cherrypicked is diffrent. If you want to take a WR you need to test many chips and find the best one to have any chance to get the WR(thats ok all can do that) , But if Amd or Intel give out cherrypicked chips thats normal users cant buy/get is a very diffrent story.

Are you geting it now? , or do you dont stil not understand me?

Ps. I have been around many years so i understand and know the most stuff here.
Hey dude, I am getting a similar sort of response from Zucker2k in the other thread. You know we have only been around XS since 2003, ofcourse we are n00bs

:rofl:

This to me is so straight forward, yet some wish to argue this, I just dont get it :confused:

[Lastviking]

Hey dude, I am getting a similar sort of response from Zucker2k in the other thread. You know we have only been around XS since 2003, ofcourse we are n00bs

:rofl:

This to me is so straight forward, yet some wish to argue this, I just dont get it :confused:

:up:


Back to Topic :) ... one thing i dont get... the chip do 5.0ghz on air and -100c cooling give 5.7ghz, is not 700mhz small bost? with much beter cooling?

[Zucker2k]

Handpicked and cherrypicked is diffrent. If you want to take a WR you need to test many chips and find the best one to have any chance to get the WR(thats ok all can do that) , But if Amd or Intel give out cherrypicked chips thats normal users cant buy/get is a very diffrent story.

Are you geting it now? , or do you dont stil not understand me?

Ps. I have been around many years so i understand and know the most stuff here.I think if you read Francois carefully, you'll understand that cherrypicked chips have always been passed from Intel (or AMD for that matter) to selected few like FUGGER, who have gone on to break some records. Again, if you did read carefully, you should have caught on to the fact that some of these gems (cherrypicked chips) do pass through the cracks and end up in the hands of enthusiasts anyway. So what is your point again?

[RPGWiZaRD]

we DID NOT DISSABLE to get there. I said that we may, but we did not.

Sorry, I was just curious as that changes things a whole lot. :D Impressive results, too bad those gems are very rare. :up:

If you decide to disable stuff in order to get further which could be quite interesting too just to see what crazy clocks can be achieved this way then please clearly state that or else it's not fair IMO.

[Drwho?]

Sorry, I was just curious as that changes things a whole lot. :D Impressive results, too bad those gems are very rare. :up:

If you decide to disable stuff in order to get further which could be quite interesting too just to see what crazy clocks can be achieved this way then please clearly state that or else it's not fair IMO.

If we dissable,I will let you know, I am 100% for full disclosure.we don't plan to do anythink like this, it looks like thermal control never gets in the way of OC, so, dissabling is not required.
One of the reason I wanted to do this test was to make sure that an OC made by a master was following the same logic as we do in the labs.
The technics are very similar.

[npk]

If we dissable,I will let you know, I am 100% for full disclosure.we don't plan to do anythink like this, it looks like thermal control never gets in the way of OC, so, dissabling is not required.
One of the reason I wanted to do this test was to make sure that an OC made by a master was following the same logic as we do in the labs.
The technics are very similar.

I have 2 questions but not sure if you´re allowed to answer them.

What was the selection method used to get the first batch of cpus you took to fugger´s home?

Care to explain what the 'sustrate number' written on the pcb means and if it has anything to do with the oc potential of the cpu? (here´s a sample pic showing that number)

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9765/sustrategs2.jpg

[Drwho?]

I have 2 questions but not sure if you´re allowed to answer them.

What was the selection method used to get the first batch of cpus you took to fugger´s home?

Care to explain what the 'sustrate number' written on the pcb means and if it has anything to do with the oc potential of the cpu? (here´s a sample pic showing that number)

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9765/sustrategs2.jpg

no, i can t answer this, sorry.

[X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE]

no, i can t answer this, sorry.
Do you know any one that might know? Some one must know.

[Drwho?]

Do you know any one that might know? Some one must know.

I did not say that I don t know, I said that I can't answer. And I know for sure that it is a special sauce, and we want to keep it for us.

[Sampsa]

As far as I know bottom one (white text on black background) is the chip location on wafer but I don't know the wafer layout map. Xeons are taken from the middle of the wafer.

[TiN_EOF]

FUGGER, ask Intel to flash new name to this CPU, Intel Core i7 Extreme 965 LN2 Edition :D It can be easily done by flashing CPU at Intel ;)

[Zucker2k]

FUGGER, ask Intel to flash new name to this CPU, Intel Core i7 Extreme 965 LN2 Edition :D It can be easily done by flashing CPU at Intel ;)How about Intel Core i7 Extreme 965 FE (FUGGER EDITION)? :p:

[drnip]

Nice, just wish I could get my hands on one of these babies.

[Zucker2k]

I did not say that I don t know, I said that I can't answer. And I know for sure that it is a special sauce, and we want to keep it for us.Is the video ready? ;)

[Jaction]

WOW!!!! 403 so strong?

my 401 so bad -.-!!

[Drwho?]

So, the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM5jsGzIlK0 ==> 5Ghz ++
This is an home made video, take it easy, i am not Spielberg;-)
The OC parts with 3 Stage details will come later ...

[Planet]

I was in Vegas this weekend too. I knew I should have called you guys up.

[Donnie27]

So, the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM5jsGzIlK0 ==> 5Ghz ++
This is an home made video, take it easy, i am not Spielberg;-)
The OC parts with 3 Stage details will come later ...

Good stuff, thanks!

[dinos22]

I was in Vegas this weekend too. I knew I should have called you guys up.

dumbaaaaaaaaaas :p:

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Good stuff :up:

[bazx]

So, the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM5jsGzIlK0 ==> 5Ghz ++
This is an home made video, take it easy, i am not Spielberg;-)
The OC parts with 3 Stage details will come later ...

thanks for the video lads

can you list your settings and voltages


thanks baz

[Rol-Co]

So, the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM5jsGzIlK0 ==> 5Ghz ++
This is an home made video, take it easy, i am not Spielberg;-)
The OC parts with 3 Stage details will come later ...

Why there is no revision details in cpu-z ? es would give C0 or C0/C1 ....:confused: ..special chip?

[dinos22]

microcode edited?
or something newer than 965 maybe ?!?

[clo007]

So, the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM5jsGzIlK0 ==> 5Ghz ++
This is an home made video, take it easy, i am not Spielberg;-)
The OC parts with 3 Stage details will come later ...Thanks for sharing video

[George_o/c]

Why there is no revision details in cpu-z ? es would give C0 or C0/C1 ....:confused: ..special chip?

I would like to know some further info for that cpu as well :)

And dinos, Francois has said like 10 times that they benched with a non-modified nehalem cpu ;) But imagine picking 1 out of 1000 CPUs, and you're there ...

[dinos22]

i know that
i'm trying to say microcode is for something that maybe CPUz doesnt recognise like core i7 975 or something like that maybe lol

not saying its modded just a new edition of chip maybe
it is odd that they hide the top part of the screen which got me thinking it might be a newer CPU than 965 :shrug:

[George_o/c]

it is odd that they hide the top part of the screen which got me thinking it might be a newer CPU than 965 :shrug:

They probably missed the top part of the screen :D

[Rol-Co]

It says stepping 5 (my es is 4) and no rev details, it must be a newer 965 or something like that, no matter what it is but hell no not just a 1 out of ten boxed version there is out there right now. :(

[dinos22]

They probably missed the top part of the screen :D

looked pretty deliberate to me :D

[hipro5]

OK.....Where's mine?..... :D :p:

[eva2000]

OK.....Where's mine?..... :D :p:

Wait in line there.. there's another George in front of the queue :D

[uclajd]

We'd all like one of these under our phase units. But how is it bad news that Intel has a (granted, cherry-picked) chip that can hit 5GHz on air? Intel isn't comprised of a bunch of dummies. I doubt they just hand over their best chips to FUGGER without examining what makes them so special.

In other words, a rising tide lifts all ships. If one chip can do this, it stands to reason that Intel learns from experience and that's what revisions are for. Eventually, better and better rev chips will hit the retail channel as they always do. Good for you, good for me, good for Intel stockholders.

I remember not too long ago people here were complaining how Intel discouraged overclocking. Now they embrace it and they are still taking heat. I think it's jealousy. I know because I am jealous that guys like FUGGER get all the good stuff - for free no less! :(

Maybe overclocking should have divisions, like "got it for free" versus "paid my hard-earned money for it." :ROTF: Like the NBA versus NCAA hoops, pro versus amateur.
It says stepping 5 (my es is 4) and no rev details, it must be a newer 965 or something like that, no matter what it is but hell no not just a 1 out of ten boxed version there is out there right now. :(

[X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE]

Well now we know these Cherries exist we should stop waisting mone buying trays just to find a cherries. We should request that Intel bring out a cheerie edition. As i won't be buying $2000 CPU's any more now that i now the odds of a cherrie is a few out of 100,000

[Drwho?]

Well now we know these Cherries exist we should stop waisting mone buying trays just to find a cherries. We should request that Intel bring out a cheerie edition. As i won't be buying $2000 CPU's any more now that i now the odds of a cherrie is a few out of 100,000


The Belgium Space rocket has 1 chance out of 100 to fly to the moon ... The belgium are planning to launch 100 of them ... Do you think they will succeed?

:rofl:

I am french ... nothing wrong with the Belgium , just an old tradition ... and by the way, www.matbe.be is a great source of tech news in Frenchy
And they ARE great overclockers too in Belgium : http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/1201/gigabyte-ex58-extreme-core-i7-a-5-ghz/

[ownage]

The Belgium Space rocket has 1 chance out of 100 to fly to the moon ... The belgium are planning to launch 100 of them ... Do you think they will succeed?

:rofl:
(I am french ... nothing wrong with the Belgium , just an old tradition ... and by the way, www.matbe.be is a great source of tech news in French)

So you guys make fun of belgians too? Same here :rofl::ROTF:
Poor Belgians :p:

[[XC] riptide]

So, the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM5jsGzIlK0 ==> 5Ghz ++
This is an home made video, take it easy, i am not Spielberg;-)
The OC parts with 3 Stage details will come later ...

Nice vid. Nice music too. About the Belgiums.... well you used one on the music :D

[Rol-Co]

We'd all like one of these under our phase units. But how is it bad news that Intel has a (granted, cherry-picked) chip that can hit 5GHz on air? Intel isn't comprised of a bunch of dummies. I doubt they just hand over their best chips to FUGGER without examining what makes them so special.

In other words, a rising tide lifts all ships. If one chip can do this, it stands to reason that Intel learns from experience and that's what revisions are for. Eventually, better and better rev chips will hit the retail channel as they always do. Good for you, good for me, good for Intel stockholders.

I remember not too long ago people here were complaining how Intel discouraged overclocking. Now they embrace it and they are still taking heat. I think it's jealousy. I know because I am jealous that guys like FUGGER get all the good stuff - for free no less! :(

Maybe overclocking should have divisions, like "got it for free" versus "paid my hard-earned money for it." :ROTF: Like the NBA versus NCAA hoops, pro versus amateur.

Not only jealous... (neah maybe a bit but i'm happy with my 4800 air too :p:) but i don't like it too give people the wrong impression here, like buy a intel 965 chip and it wil do 5ghz, or all next step will do 5ghz air, (with that amd 6ghz thingie in the back of my mind). just a selected chip who runs fast, if you want one, go ahead , search for that needle in a haystack you problaby wouldn't find.
Selection there is and alway's be there , but selection by intel is just not representive.

[dinos22]

The Belgium Space rocket has 1 chance out of 100 to fly to the moon ... The belgium are planning to launch 100 of them ... Do you think they will succeed?

:rofl:

I am french ... nothing wrong with the Belgium , just an old tradition ... and by the way, www.matbe.be is a great source of tech news in Frenchy
And they ARE great overclockers too in Belgium : http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/1201/gigabyte-ex58-extreme-core-i7-a-5-ghz/

ROFL
last time i joked around like that there was a gizzilion posts and PMs about my joke :rofl:.....being European born myself i thought most ppl would understand this sort of sense of humour :D

lucky you didnt involved Danes cause M.Beier would launch fatwa against you and Intel :rofl:

[ownage]

lucky you didnt involved Danes cause M.Beier would launch fatwa against you and Intel :rofl:

:shocked::ROTF::rofl:

[just a noob]

im just curious, what was the ambient temperature when this was done(sorry if you said somewhere else, only noticed 70*C on cores)

[[XC] riptide]

lucky you didnt involved Danes cause M.Beier would launch fatwa against you and Intel :rofl:

M.Beier has moved to Ireland. Hes been examined here as we believe he contains the secrets to the universe... . We'll crack him soon. :up:

[dinos22]

riptide;3470198']M.Beier has moved to Ireland. Hes been examined here as we believe he contains the secrets to the universe... . We'll crack him soon. :up:
:eek: hehehe

[T_M]

Francois, lets say for instance someone was somehow able to purchase all Intel chips that go on sale, would that person be able to find such a monster chip?
Or does Intel test every chip and hold every cherry? (hence making our retail gems only 2nd class)

[Supertim0r]

Francois, lets say for instance someone was somehow able to purchase all Intel chips that go on sale, would that person be able to find such a monster chip?
Or does Intel test every chip and hold every cherry? (hence making our retail gems only 2nd class)

there's certainly some cherry stuff in their RMA ;)

[verndewd]

5ghz,, drools ala homer simpson dreaming about food. Thats really quite nice.

[T_M]

there's certainly some cherry stuff in their RMA ;)

As in after Intel have finished doing testing they use them as RMA chips?
Proof?

[Drwho?]

As in after Intel have finished doing testing they use them as RMA chips?
Proof?

We don t do that ... lol

In the mean time, this part of the process is kept very secret, I know little about it, and what I know, I should not share. I hope you understand, the magic of mass production of processor like Core i7 is kept secret very well.

Just know that we have a paranoid based culture, based on Andy Grove "Only Paranoid Survive" book.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Z2VPXPNHL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

if you want to understand Intel, it is a must read. :up:

[Pt1t]

The Belgium Space rocket has 1 chance out of 100 to fly to the moon ... The belgium are planning to launch 100 of them ... Do you think they will succeed?

:rofl:

I am french ... nothing wrong with the Belgium , just an old tradition ... and by the way, www.matbe.be is a great source of tech news in Frenchy
And they ARE great overclockers too in Belgium : http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/1201/gigabyte-ex58-extreme-core-i7-a-5-ghz/

That' s maybe why a lot of guy here cant understand my sense of humor :D

I'm Belgian, nothing wrong with frenchies, but we have also a lot of joke about french :rolleyes:


ROFL
last time i joked around like that there was a gizzilion posts and PMs about my joke :rofl:.....being European born myself i thought most ppl would understand this sort of sense of humour :D

lucky you didnt involved Danes cause M.Beier would launch fatwa against you and Intel :rofl:


:eek: you born in europe ? Where ?

[T_M]

Kazakhstan :P

[T_M]

In the mean time, this part of the process is kept very secret, I know little about it, and what I know, I should not share. I hope you understand, the magic of mass production of processor like Core i7 is kept secret very well.

Just know that we have a paranoid based culture, based on Andy Grove "Only Paranoid Survive" book.

Thanks F, i'll take it by paranoid that means that every chip gets tested to make sure it works, and during that testing you may or may not find out its a cherry ;)

BTW, if Intel is that paranoid to test every chip, how come so many people claim that they can easily RMA their chips over and over.... (dont need to answer that - just saying)

[dinos22]

Kazakhstan :P

:rofl: that's it

[BenchZowner]

:rofl: that's it

Damn, I thought it was Tajikistan :p:

[dinos22]

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/10/10/borat1_wideweb__470x307,0.jpg

[T_M]

I see the resemblance ;)
Just your hair is a little more afro

[massman]

The Belgium Space rocket has 1 chance out of 100 to fly to the moon ... The belgium are planning to launch 100 of them ... Do you think they will succeed?

:rofl:

I am french ... nothing wrong with the Belgium , just an old tradition ... and by the way, www.matbe.be is a great source of tech news in Frenchy
And they ARE great overclockers too in Belgium : http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/1201/gigabyte-ex58-extreme-core-i7-a-5-ghz/

Since when has 5G i7 anything to do with Belgium :D :rofl:

FYI: our only active astronaut, Frank De Winne, will be head of the International Space Station for 6 months ;)

[[XC] riptide]

:rofl: that's it

I'll take a wild guess.... Former Yugoslavia?

[[XC] riptide]

FYI: our only active astronaut, Frank De Winne, will be head of the International Space Station for 6 months ;)

Hes doing some experiment isn't he on how to Brew beer at Zero gravity?

Man.. hes got a cool name, Frank De Winne

[<<HANNIBAL>>]

wow you guys found grate chip :clap:
looking forward to see the LN2 session results :yepp:

[[XC] riptide]

Anyway Francois, lets get back on track. This chip you had with Charles.... I'm going to assume that chip quality, follows something like a normal population Gausian curve. So where on this curve does the chip you and charles messed with lie? I can do the numbers later.

http://escience.anu.edu.au/lecture/cg/Spline/Image/Gaussian.png

"Im sorry, my answers are limited, You must ask the right question" - Dr. Alfred Lanning, USR Robotics :D

[Drwho?]

Since when has 5G i7 anything to do with Belgium :D :rofl:

FYI: our only active astronaut, Frank De Winne, will be head of the International Space Station for 6 months ;)

http://bp3.blogger.com/_1OFe6OW0NaI/RZ9Kt_zzMbI/AAAAAAAAAJw/8Tin3gyAZTU/s320/Pigs+in+space1.jpg
no comment!

[Movieman]

http://bp3.blogger.com/_1OFe6OW0NaI/RZ9Kt_zzMbI/AAAAAAAAAJw/8Tin3gyAZTU/s320/Pigs+in+space1.jpg
no comment!

Oh God! I can see it now!
The start of a Belgian-Franco war! .....:rofl:

[massman]

riptide;3470898']Anyway Francois, lets get back on track. This chip you had with Charles.... I'm going to assume that chip quality, follows something like a normal population Gausian curve. So where on this curve does the chip you and charles messed with lie? I can do the numbers later.

http://escience.anu.edu.au/lecture/cg/Spline/Image/Gaussian.png

What does 'x = -2' stand for? The very bad overclocking chips or the chips that just don't work. Is the starting point the standard clock frequency of your chip or is it the lowest stable frequency of a certain batch of processors.

[Sampsa]

Is there still something coming? CPU-Z-screens, benchmark results, Cinebench or 3DMark Vantage CPU-test (8 threads)?

[Pt1t]

Is there still something coming? CPU-Z-screens, benchmark results, Cinebench or 3DMark Vantage CPU-test (8 threads)?

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8801/fugger5ghzairmq2.jpg

You have CPUZ screen in the youtube video ;)

[boblemagnifique]

Oh God! I can see it now!
The start of a Belgian-Franco war! .....:rofl:

:D yeah there have always been "tension" between French and Belgian (just humor), creates a lot of jokes about these 2 communities. I love the French focus they are, it's a killer love but funny (same for us which speaking English or orthers language :rofl:)

we love too much to say, we prefer to invent jokes and make fun :rofl:

PS : I read your pm, it takes time to understand and reply with my bad english :slapass: :D

[Drwho?]

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8801/fugger5ghzairmq2.jpg

You have CPUZ screen in the youtube video ;)


I did program the CPUID myself, I may have done a typo ...

[massman]

I did program the CPUID myself, I may have done a typo ...

Does this mean that this specific product is not for sale?

[Drwho?]

Does this mean that this specific product is not for sale?


haaaaaaaaaaaaa an attack for the belgiums .... ;-)

well, i said it at the beginning, those are special chips. I started with this.
I was very very very very clear from the beginning. Those are special chips, and I don t want to give more details. They are using the today's selling chip settings. (return to the beginning of the demo presentation, and you ll see how i introduced the demo, it is a manufacturer demo, they are Core i7 ... and that's it :) )

[BieBiep]

haaaaaaaaaaaaa an attack for the belgiums .... ;-)

well, i said it at the beginning, those are special chips. I started with this.
I was very very very very clear from the beginning. Those are special chips, and I don t want to give more details. They are using the today's selling chip settings. (return to the beginning of the demo presentation, and you ll see how i introduced the demo, it is a manufacturer demo, they are Core i7 ... and that's it :) )

And this is going into the books as a WR, leaving nothing but spoils of war for people that are going to try and catch up to this 45nm I7 record...

False competition sucks, should atleast have called it an WTFBBQ 970 I7 or smth...

[<= Belgian here]

[Gendo]

haaaaaaaaaaaaa an attack for the belgiums .... ;-)

well, i said it at the beginning, those are special chips. I started with this.
I was very very very very clear from the beginning. Those are special chips, and I don t want to give more details. They are using the today's selling chip settings. (return to the beginning of the demo presentation, and you ll see how i introduced the demo, it is a manufacturer demo, they are Core i7 ... and that's it :) )


You should consider a career in politics. You talk a lot but you never answered massman's question:p:

Will this kind of chips be for sale, ever?

You're saying they use today's selling chip's settings but yet in another post you just told you programmed the cpuid, thus making it different from the current retail chips, or am I wrong?:p:

[Drwho?]

And this is going into the books as a WR, leaving nothing but spoils of war for people that are going to try and catch up to this 45nm I7 record...

False competition sucks

[<= Belgian here] :p

wait wait wait ... you can always find a side effect for everything ... The demo started with the idea that Manufacturer demos are useless, you just made my point !!!! thanks!
Don't blame anybody, it is exactly what we wanted to proove! :clap:

Concidere his demo as "out of Category", as they have in the Guiness world record book some time. fair?

[luie]

:up:

[BieBiep]

wait wait wait ... you can always find a side effect for everything ... The demo started with the idea that Manufacturer demos are useless, you just made my point !!!! thanks!
Don't blame anybody, it is exactly what we wanted to proove! :clap:

Concidere his demo as "out of Category", as they have in the Guiness world record book some time. fair?



Next step then :) => Intel should organize an OC-cup like mobo-manufacturers do, but everyone can take the mobo of his pleasing.

Maybe then we'll get some real numbers on who's got the best quality mobo?
(Superchips in every mobo must put the limit on the mobo rather than the chip?)

[Drwho?]

You should consider a career in politics. You talk a lot but you never answered massman's question:p:

Will this kind of chips be for sale, ever?

You're saying they use today's selling chip's settings but yet in another post you just told you programmed the cpuid, thus making it different from the current retail chips, or am I wrong?:p:

Those are CPUs I have in my lab to play with, The point is clear , Manufacturer can do demos that does not reflect always what gets to the market! This is EXACTLY the point I wanted to make from the beginning.

I WARNED many time. :up:

[Brian y.]

Is there still something coming? CPU-Z-screens, benchmark results, Cinebench or 3DMark Vantage CPU-test (8 threads)?

That is the question I have been wondering also.....

Please show off your results as I am quite curious to the scores that will be put up by this CPU at such great speeds.

It is a nice CPU. Hope you have a good time with it fugger.:)

[Drwho?]

That is the question I have been wondering also.....

Please show off your results as I am quite curious to the scores that will be put up by this CPU at such great speeds.

It is a nice CPU. Hope you have a good time with it fugger.:)

After AMD release their 6.3Ghz bench results ! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

just kidding, remember, it is a manufacturer demo ... with all the tricky that goes with it. (we finally got to the point! :) ) It toke you time guys!

later on, you ll get everything, just need to clean up my typos.
remember the point I was trying to make: "demos are demos ... make your own opinion with what you can touch"

When I use special chips, I say it loud and clear, when it is normal chips, you ll see no special notes. I oppose very hard the special chip demos inside my own company, but I had to make a point that it is easy for a manufacturer to put a demo that shine, without really reflecting the market.

Point make! Alelouuuuuuuuya!

(I could not have pulled 5Ghz air cool without Fugger too ;-) )

[dread77]

wait wait wait ... you can always find a side effect for everything ... The demo started with the idea that Manufacturer demos are useless, you just made my point !!!! thanks!
Don't blame anybody, it is exactly what we wanted to proove! :clap:

Concidere his demo as "out of Category", as they have in the Guiness world record book some time. fair?

Come one man... It's your credibility on the line here. This thread and all others regarding this MEGA chip that is doing 5GHz on air, is reffering to i7 965. This is what people are talking about.
I don't give a cent if FUGGER gets to upload his scores in HWBOT with these chips, this is not the point.
The point is that several dedicated Intel consumers paid 1000 EUR to get a 965 retail chip and now they should feel like a beta testers...:down:

Since revision 5 chips were ready and SO close to rev. 4 chips' launch...

Anyway, my EUROVISION points are going to Belgium next year...:yepp:

Edit: Oh, now I just checked your last post. So I guess you made a road trip to Vegas just to prove that AMD's session in Texas was with a MEGA cherry picked chip????

[Oliver]

awesome thx for information once again Francois

you have my deepest respect for playing with open cards

was a pleassure to see you guys keep pushing it, and thats what its all about

[massman]

Well, i said it at the beginning, those are special chips. I started with this.
I was very very very very clear from the beginning. Those are special chips, and I don t want to give more details. They are using the today's selling chip settings. (return to the beginning of the demo presentation, and you ll see how i introduced the demo, it is a manufacturer demo, they are Core i7 ... and that's it :) )

There's a giant difference between special as in "what an awesome overclocker" and special as in "not available for costumers". In what range is this chip using the same settings as today's selling chips? If no one knows why this chip is so special, no one can accurately rate the excellence of this overclock and therefor only your manufacturers demo is pointless.

Those are CPUs I have in my lab to play with, The point is clear , Manufacturer can do demos that does not reflect always what gets to the market! This is EXACTLY the point I wanted to make from the beginning.

Sorry if I'm wrong here, but I think you need to rephrase that as: "AMD's demo does not reflect what gets to the market". I don't understand the point of this so called manufacturer's demo if the only information we get is that this particular chip is so special, that it's one of a kind. Doesn't that only prove that no one will be able to hit that kind of speeds through retail market?

I don't really get why your special chip is only hitting 5G on air anyway. Rol-co already showed us his 4.8G chip on air. Using a special sample you only get 200MHz more?

So many questions, so little answers ...

[Drwho?]

There's a giant difference between special as in "what an awesome overclocker" and special as in "not available for costumers". In what range is this chip using the same settings as today's selling chips? If no one knows why this chip is so special, no one can accurately rate the excellence of this overclock and therefor only your manufacturers demo is pointless.


This is exactly the point we wanted to make , when a manufacturer demo OC, it does have resources that you ll never get ... making it unrealistic ...
The point is that it is pointless, so, it is not pointless, see the point! lol!

:up: Glad you got it!

[Drwho?]

let's tune it down, otherwise, they will send us Jean Claude Vandam!
http://www.deborahgoldberg.net/debbieblog/archives/Jean%20Claude%20Van%20Damme%2001.jpg

[Zucker2k]

let's tune it down, otherwise, they will send us Jean Claude Vandam!
http://www.deborahgoldberg.net/debbieblog/archives/Jean%20Claude%20Van%20Damme%2001.jpg

LOl; I'd like to see Van Damme vs Ci7 (Cyborg x1k).

[[XC] riptide]

What does 'x = -2' stand for? The very bad overclocking chips or the chips that just don't work. Is the starting point the standard clock frequency of your chip or is it the lowest stable frequency of a certain batch of processors.

Never mind the legend on the scales. Its a standard Gausian curve. You can apply it to population of lots of things including humans in terms of IQ, height etc.

If we applied it to CPU's, the centre of that graph where it is highest represents the average CPU. standard overclock for any given chip. This would be where most CPU's fall into. AS you get closer to the cherry picked chips, you obviously have less numbers of them... and you move right on the graph. The graph falling represents less numbers of them. I expect that if you were to mark on that graph, this particular chip that Francois and charles played with, it would be on the extreme right.

The dodgy (E8500 4.3Ghz at 1.49vcore? GTFO! ) E8500 that i have for example would sit somewhere on the left of centre.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

One of these?
http://www.123test.nl/t/it/diagram/iq/man:28/138

Sorry couldn't resist, having a very bad day and needed an ego boost :rofl:

[[XC] riptide]

I think its already been established that these calibre chips will appear in small numbers naturally, as have the Golden Intels from times gone by. Francois was just in a position to get his dirty hands on a few of them.

Just because most of us can't get these chips as easily as they have been got for this 'demo', does not mean

1) That they won't appear in retail

or 2) invalidates the clocks achieved.

Srsly... the chips have been brought outside of Intels corporate offices into the Enthusiast realm, in the form of FUGGER, and displayed, as opposed to a Manufacturer supervised and run demo.

We should be thankful that we have an Intel employee (albeit an arrogant one :)) who can show us such things and is 'on our side'.

[NBF]

Im wondering how those golden chips are binned. :confused:

Do you test then with a fixed Vcore and look for those with the higgest current draw? Trying to find the "leaky" ones?

If thats the way to do it, maybe they could be selected just measuring resistance between some of the 1366 pins, making it quicker and easier to find "the neddle in the haystack".


PS. Im just thinking out loud, maybe very wrong about it. Also dont expect you guys can answer my question :D

[Praz]

I guess something is not being written as intended. The following quotes from Drwho? do not read the same as the posts that would have us believe the chip was a cherry-picked retail sample.

well, i said it at the beginning, those are special chips. I started with this.
I was very very very very clear from the beginning. Those are special chips, and I don t want to give more details. They are using the today's selling chip settings.
Special chips programmed with parameters from chips we can buy today. If these were retail chips would not these parameters be the correct ones already?

wait wait wait ... you can always find a side effect for everything ... The demo started with the idea that Manufacturer demos are useless, you just made my point !!!! thanks!
The above quote was made in response to a post stating that chips in the retail market would not be able to match this performance.

Those are CPUs I have in my lab to play with, The point is clear , Manufacturer can do demos that does not reflect always what gets to the market! This is EXACTLY the point I wanted to make from the beginning.

I WARNED many time. :up:
This demonstration made a point that what a manufacturer can showcase may not be true in retail.

When I use special chips, I say it loud and clear, when it is normal chips, you ll see no special notes. I oppose very hard the special chip demos inside my own company, but I had to make a point that it is easy for a manufacturer to put a demo that shine, without really reflecting the market.
Once again referencing that this demo does not reflect real word retail results.



If I read Dr. Who?'s comments correctly then yes, these are chips you 'could" see in retail. That they are cherry picked but that normally these chips would have gone "down the line" been boxed and sold..
This was not a canned demo, it was a hard push to resolve issues and many things pointed out in this thread were covered to make processors even better.

So what's the deal with the chip? Is it as Drwho? implies a specimen that is capable of performance exceeding the chips in the current retail market? Or as Movieman and FUGGER suggest a super chip pulled from the retail line? Shouldn't be difficult to state one way or the other. I think that is all that is being asked in this thread.

[Gautam]

Temporarily locking, this is more of a mess than I can personally tolerate.

[FUGGER]

Thanks Gautam, my apologies everyone else. The rivalry is alive and kicking :fight:

Best binned chips would go into 965 cores, leakage to some point cores are screened out into the next bin down.

With Francois looking at what we do and knowing what we need now, that combined with an improved process later on will make for an interesting chip.

I need to chase down Duck, he has a good chip.

[Vapor]

FWIW....the reason some people's questions are not being answered, especially about chip specifics, is because those who know the details can't elaborate on the details.

They're not trying to pull a smoke and mirrors thing here or presenting any sort of "argument from silence" it's just that they're not allowed to talk specifics. :shrug:

[NapalmV5]

great clocks regardless :toast:

would love to see what 5ghz or max do @

nuclearus
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=202576

fritz chess
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=116144&highlight=chess

[Sampsa]

I see some posts were removed.. maybe better that way ;)

[sdumper]

Cherry chip? Was anything done to the chip?
I remember Frances saying in an AMD thread that he was going to have a chip modded with some features turned off so that he could post some high numbers.

-edit- never mind I just read the first post and didnt read the last few...looks like other people have asked the same questions.

Good to see AMD and Intel battle it out again :-)

[vmsein]

Nothing wrong with demonstrating what will one day be possible for everyone. Nicely done, fellas!

[vab206]

so, from what im hearing (judging by a vid on the nehalem by intel CEO) he says that 8 core configs will ship in 2008. But, the question i have is when will the number of cores come to an end. in my opinion 8 cores seems to be a bit much, 16 simultaneous threads is a bit insane. what kind of software/OS out there can utilize something like that to its fullest extent to start with? Why dosent intel make a nehalem 2 or 4 core just for gaming? 2 cores seems to be all that most games utilize anyways and with nehalem's architecture it can process 4 threads, so why not drop the on die cores to 2 and raise clock speeds?

[verndewd]

well thats just it in the end the desktop os will be alot more like server os's in that it can sustain a larger grouping of cores. 4x4 is what? and were talking about current maintsream server configs. higher core counts do an immense amout of good for servers and in the end will enable apps to take singular advantage of cores thereby freeing resources and speeding multiple processes up. alot of cores means alot of freedom and alot of speed.

sun has even more cores on its server cpu's I think its already at 16 and heading up not down. lets say you pack 1k cores on a die in a desktop, there isnt a whole lot that cant be done on that hypothetical system.

[Drwho?]

:yepp: well thats just it in the end the desktop os will be alot more like server os's in that it can sustain a larger grouping of cores. 4x4 is what? and were talking about current maintsream server configs. higher core counts do an immense amout of good for servers and in the end will enable apps to take singular advantage of cores thereby freeing resources and speeding multiple processes up. alot of cores means alot of freedom and alot of speed.

sun has even more cores on its server cpu's I think its already at 16 and heading up not down. lets say you pack 1k cores on a die in a desktop, there isnt a whole lot that cant be done on that hypothetical system.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-cpu-gpu,6645.html
Homogeneous computing is coming, it is just a matter of few years :) :yepp::up:

[Marios]

LOL Is Intel about to give us a new 975 Extreme Edition stepping 5?
Then those posts about Phenom II overclockability are not all about cherry picked and tweaked CPUs.
Another explanation is that a programmed chip to a newer edition circumvents the TLB BIOS restriction.
Or what else?
975 is obvious in the video anyway.

[BenchZowner]

LOL Is Intel about to give us a new 975 Extreme Edition stepping 5?

It doesn't take a lot of thinking or wisdom for anyone who has been "watching" the computer market the last two years that Intel is releasing a "refresh" of their flagship processor some months after the release of their initial flagship model.
You remember the QX9650 & QX9770 deal, and the QX6700 & QX6800.
It's surely going to happen again.
Without having any particular info from inside, I'd say that we're going to see a new Extreme Edition Core i7 with a new revision of the core ( C1 ) in late January, Mid February.

Another explanation is that a programmed chip to a newer edition circumvents the TLB BIOS restriction.

The TLB fix is being applied already through BIOS.

To get rid of the errata physically you need to physically change the design of a part of the CPU.

[vab206]

well thats just it in the end the desktop os will be alot more like server os's in that it can sustain a larger grouping of cores. 4x4 is what? and were talking about current maintsream server configs. higher core counts do an immense amout of good for servers and in the end will enable apps to take singular advantage of cores thereby freeing resources and speeding multiple processes up. alot of cores means alot of freedom and alot of speed.

sun has even more cores on its server cpu's I think its already at 16 and heading up not down. lets say you pack 1k cores on a die in a desktop, there isnt a whole lot that cant be done on that hypothetical system.

The end... lol, there will be no end. The amount of cores will continue to grow while gamers still buy only what they need to play their games. im not talking about servers at all. ill believe W7 is a better gaming platform then XP when i see it.

what im simply trying to say is that wouldnt a dual core machine that could clock higher be more beneficial to gamers then a 4core 8 thread machine or a 8 core 16 thread machine? gamers use 2 MAYBE 3 programs at once. those are the game their playing, ventrillo/teamspeak, and occasionally a browser to look something up. lets face it, a processor like the nehalem is not needed to compete these tasks with ease.

if intel would make a dual core nehalem im nearly 100% positive that it would be a strong seller amongst the growing gaming community. lets be honest, if all you did was play a game when you were on the computer wouldn't you buy a good core2 over a nehalem?

[CryptiK]

Great results, good work Fugger & Francois, that must have been a fun weekend.

I don't understand why there are so many people complaining that CPU's of this caliber may not be available commonly in retail. Not many people even push CPU's that hard, it's as if those upset by this feel like they have been prevented from attaining something that they neither have the skill nor inclination to do anyway. There are comparatively few people here who really push hardware to the limits either on air, water or extreme cooling. Those that do have the ability, finances and contacts that enable them to find and use the best CPU's available anyway. Some people already have contacts at Intel which enable them to get cherry picked ES CPU's - this has been happening forever, it's nothing new at all.

World records have always been set with specially picked CPU's capable of clocks above what most can achieve, this is just taking that to a slightly higher level, as Intel themselves picked the chips in question. If these CPU's were not going to be 920's/940's or 965's, but perhaps an as yet unreleased version (eg 975's) there is nothing wrong with that, in time CPU's of higher spec will most likely be released if yields are sufficient, and people can try and find the best ones by the same means they have already employed to find the best 775's and already released i7's.

This was demo to show the theoretical maximum achievable from this architecture, using CPU's selected by employing a binning process no one but intel has the ability to do, and as such is not a reflection of what most people can expect from retail samples. This is the nature of a manufacturer demo. Francois made this clear.

[[XC] riptide]

Great results, good work Fugger & Francois, that must have been a fun weekend.

I don't understand why there are so many people complaining that CPU's of this caliber may not be available commonly in retail. Not many people even push CPU's that hard, it's as if those upset by this feel like they have been prevented from attaining something that they neither have the skill nor inclination to do anyway. There are comparatively few people here who really push hardware to the limits either on air, water or extreme cooling. Those that do have the ability, finances and contacts that enable them to find and use the best CPU's available anyway. Some people already have contacts at Intel which enable them to get cherry picked ES CPU's - this has been happening forever, it's nothing new at all.

World records have always been set with specially picked CPU's capable of clocks above what most can achieve, this is just taking that to a slightly higher level, as Intel themselves picked the chips in question. If these CPU's were not going to be 920's/940's or 965's, but perhaps an as yet unreleased version (eg 975's) there is nothing wrong with that, in time CPU's of higher spec will most likely be released if yields are sufficient, and people can try and find the best ones by the same means they have already employed to find the best 775's and already released i7's.

This was demo to show the theoretical maximum achievable from this architecture, using CPU's selected by employing a binning process no one but intel has the ability to do, and as such is not a reflection of what most people can expect from retail samples. This is the nature of a manufacturer demo. Francois made this clear.

I wish everyone would understand this. :clap:

[Marios]

......

This was demo to show the theoretical maximum achievable from this architecture, using CPU's selected by employing a binning process no one but intel has the ability to do, and as such is not a reflection of what most people can expect from retail samples. This is the nature of a manufacturer demo. Francois made this clear.
So you think we saw the max from the new CPU?
Wait and see.
Besides showing the world the capabilities of Core i7, I think Francois wanted to take the advice of his friend - an extreme overclocker - "over current known issues" in overclocking.
This benefits the rest of us and I like Intel does it this way.
They produce better products for everyone.

[FUGGER]

What we see is similar to what auto manufactures did many years ago, so many similarities between the two.

People need to understand that most of the top guys have sponsors. Much like racing, sponsors will pick who is active and has good communication, most of all deliver good results.

I have been showing chips for years, its not unlike me so it should be no surprise there. I see overclocking getting bigger in 2009 and first up is CES.

[mXpS]

What we see is similar to what auto manufactures did many years ago, so many similarities between the two.

People need to understand that most of the top guys have sponsors. Much like racing, sponsors will pick who is active and has good communication, most of all deliver good results.

I have been showing chips for years, its not unlike me so it should be no surprise there. I see overclocking getting bigger in 2009 and first up is CES.
I'm hoping you guys have that Ace up your sleeve and you plan on taking it out at CES :)

[FUGGER]

4.6Ghz wprime on air with stock i7 820 heatink done, playing more on air.

The Coolermaster heatsink is kinda sucky, has horrible contact if done right and no contact if you are not paying attention. It doesnt fit correctly with the retrofit 1366 brackets.

[hipro5]

This seems to be a blast IF most of the "new ones" could - at least do - the frequencies of the QX9650/9770 on air...... ;)

[DaMulta]

Well this is cool and all. But I would rather see a chip that was ordered from Newegg that hit 5Ghz on Air.


Thread should be called i7 Special Extreme Edition. Almost....

As you can't talk about what makes them special; that to me alone says this is not a 965 CPU or like the other 99% of them. He did say that these chips are out there, but did not say how many are out there.

It's almost like the adds in the Sunday newspaper to just get you in the store. "We have these cool balbabalab for 200 off, but only for one day". Then you get there and find out they only had 2 of them....
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BUT Congrats on 5Ghz on Air. That is amazing no mater what kind of i7 chip it happens to be.

[MarcusFoX]

pritty kick ass congrats

[okorop]

is it a d0 or a c0 c1?
the result is great Man congratulations ;)

[kemo]

is it a d0 or a c0 c1?
the result is great Man congratulations ;)

I7 975 D0 ES

[okorop]

I7 975 D0 ES

thank's :)

[Buckeye]

So, the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM5jsGzIlK0 ==> 5Ghz ++
This is an home made video, take it easy, i am not Spielberg;-)
The OC parts with 3 Stage details will come later ...

HAHA to much Who :rofl:
I will take one of those chips, oh and the Cascade to... k thanks :)

[V2-V3]

oh my, that chip has some damn leaky cores :)

i bet its a D0 rev too.


Goot job, Congratz on the 5GHz w/ air simply amazing!

[dexster]

5ghz on air is truly amazing :shocked:
its good to know it can be done...

hmmm d0

[ewitte]

I7 975 D0 ES

Are you sure D0 was supposed to have started this year and the post before his was 12-24-2008. The thread was dead three months ;)

[Formann]

Prototype 32nm i7 ? Shame on you

[rbuass]

Thats insane man...congratulations