Help me cool an E8600 in a Lian Li PCV350 (mATX)

[v0dka]

Currently using a Scythe Zipang with the stock fan. Not overly impressed with it, I definately wouldnt put a quad under there.

The biggest problem though is that hot air builds up in the case. Really really bad. Temps rise from 60C (4150Mhz @ ~1.3v) to 90C in less than half an hour when using any good stresstest. This is with two 12cm fans taking in cold air (standard for this case, see pic).

I solved the problem by opening up the side and pointing another fan directly at the heatsink. But obviously that isn't a long term solution becaue I got this damn case because it looks good - so ghetto solutions dont work here.

What to do? A better cooler than the Zipang that fits this case? Dimensions are limited heigth wise to about 12.5cm. A stronger fan? Cutting up the case is sort of a last resort, but it's looking inevitable at this point. That presents problems on its own though, as a fan mounted on the inner side of the side panel will probably not fit because of the width of the Zipang.

Maybe I should ditch this case completely.

[slamz]

you need some sort of exhaust fan. if the front two are bringing in air, then hot air will inevitably get trapped. thought of cutting a hole for a fan in the side panel near to the heatsink and using something like a scythe slipstream, as its only 25mm thick? then using a fan guard, shouldn't look too bad if done well.

[Prelector]

Currently using a Scythe Zipang with the stock fan. Not overly impressed with it, I definately wouldnt put a quad under there.

The biggest problem though is that hot air builds up in the case. Really really bad. Temps rise from 60C (4150Mhz @ ~1.3v) to 90C in less than half an hour when using any good stresstest. This is with two 12cm fans taking in cold air (standard for this case, see pic).

I solved the problem by opening up the side and pointing another fan directly at the heatsink. But obviously that isn't a long term solution becaue I got this damn case because it looks good - so ghetto solutions dont work here.

What to do? A better cooler than the Zipang that fits this case? Dimensions are limited heigth wise to about 12.5cm. A stronger fan? Cutting up the case is sort of a last resort, but it's looking inevitable at this point. That presents problems on its own though, as a fan mounted on the inner side of the side panel will probably not fit because of the width of the Zipang.

Maybe I should ditch this case completely.

Might wanna take a look over at Hardforums: http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1033321481&postcount=318

Tremeloes came up with a new backplate that fits a 120mm fan, if you're willing to give up the HDD bay.

[slamz]

actually, prelectors idea is better than mine. you can always get a 5.25 bay converter and mount your hdd in there?

[jcool]

I use a Scythe Ninja Mini, about the biggest cooler you can fit in there. With a 1000RPM 92MM silent fan, it holds an E8400@4Ghz@1,23V below 70C coretemp while running prime. That is with 2 120mm 1000rpm intake fans and 2 HD4850 cards heating the cube up. Use a temp controller 92mm fan (maybe 2000rpm max) and you're all set for >4Ghz.

This (http://images.pcwelt.de/images/pcwelt/bdb/1956632/800x.jpg) is how it looks.

[v0dka]

I'm pretty sure the (140mm) Zipang is a better cooler than the Ninja mini, especially when you replace the super silent fan it comes with. ;)


actually, prelectors idea is better than mine. you can always get a 5.25 bay converter and mount your hdd in there?

I have seen tremeloes work on the watercooling and the custom backplate, it's very nicely executed. I like the custom back plate most since it allows you to fit a TRUE and an exhaust. That's really all you need. But it's not something you can mod in an afternoon, he got his custom built by a certain company. :(

I've been looking at the coolers again, the Noctua NH-C12P should fit and perform slightly better too.

[Tremeloes]

the Noctua NH-C12P Cpu Cooler works very good in this case. also the Thermalright SI-128 SE is a good choice.

you can have a look here:
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=474773
ther are many MB+Cpu Cooler combinations to see. it´s a german forum but i think you will understand the pics.... :D

[v0dka]

The master himself is responding to my call for help. :D

I'll check the link out, but I'm not too sure that any other solution than the custom motherboard tray will meet my needs. What does your solution cost, and could you point me in the right direction? And I assume I'll have to send the part to them?

I was thinking about watercooling like you had done, but I suspect your current waircooling setup performs better, doesnt it?

p.s. my german is good as I lived close to the border for years :)

[Tremeloes]

ah, just saw you are from Amsterdam ... ;)

i ordered the backplate from schaeffer (http://www.schaeffer-ag.de/index.php?id=97&L=0) . including material and postage the backplate cost about 60€.

and there are some more things to do. you have to cut a lot of the original backplate. you have to drill a new hole at the top left corner. i mount my psu below the top of the case. the holes in the backplate are only for closing the case - not for keeping the psu in place. so if you remove the MB Tray the Psu stays in the case.

but trying the Noctua NH-C12P would be a good first step. i know someone woh is cooling his e8200 passiv with it.

[eva2000]

I use a Scythe Ninja Mini, about the biggest cooler you can fit in there. With a 1000RPM 92MM silent fan, it holds an E8400@4Ghz@1,23V below 70C coretemp while running prime. That is with 2 120mm 1000rpm intake fans and 2 HD4850 cards heating the cube up. Use a temp controller 92mm fan (maybe 2000rpm max) and you're all set for >4Ghz.

This (http://images.pcwelt.de/images/pcwelt/bdb/1956632/800x.jpg) is how it looks.

yup using same Scythe Ninja Mini in my Lian Li PC-V350B http://i4memory.com/f15/htpc-build-e6750-ga-g33m-d2sr-matx-hd3650-vx450-lian-li-pc-v350b-8510/

http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/htpc/lianli_350b/content/bin/images/large/htpc_087.jpg

http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/htpc/lianli_350b/content/bin/images/large/htpc_110.jpg

[pby5cat]

How about a crossflow fan for behind the CPU cooler
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=145&products_id=4077

though the whole behind the CPU needs to be widend it should fit, considering this thing isnt at wide as a PSU.

[TheGanG]

Custom backplate seems more effective :rolleyes: Case is so nice...

[Comminadian]

It looks like there is some room to spare with the Ninja Mini... I did a build for a friend with the V350, and used the Noctua U9B... I might have gone with the C12 had it been available though. Anyways, the U9B just barely squeezes under the power supply so it is definitely the largest tower-type you could fit without modding. Considering the U9B performs similar or better to a lot of 120mm towers it might be worth considering. The build only used a 4850e but the U9B easily kept it under 40C even under stress testing. A 45nm Quad OC'd would be a completely different story, no doubt, but barring case mods I think the U9B might be the best air-cooler that will fit. Not sure if there has ever been a comparo of the C12P vs U9B.