If trying to make a decision on whether or not the buy FC2 read! [Archive]

Decami

10-25-2008, 12:20 AM

For those of you trying to make a decision to buy Far Cry 2, read this, these are the problems the game faces.

-Enemies seem to have perfect aim.

-Enemies seem to sometimes have special power and somehow see you threw things like walls and thick bushes and boardwalks and fire right threw them with perfect accuracy to kill.

-silenced and suppressed weapons seem to make no difference than a un silenced weapon, ex. I was surveying a enemy post when i accidentally fired a suppressed MP5 into the air, I was about 30 or more feet outside the camp barely looking around a tree, when i accidentally fired the whole camp is awakened saying things like "did you hear that?" and "where is he?" not seconds later (i didnt move) they are firing directly at me behind the tree as if they knew exactly where I was. another example was: I snuck into an enemy post (which is luck really), and managed to get into a shack with an enemies back to me, I pulled out my silenced pistol, aimed at his head, and dropped him on the ground, as soon as I did this same thing, the rest started to call out "did you hear that?" and what not, I kept crouched inside the shed, as they were trying to find me (when I say trying I mean, looking for me but walking straight to where I was) and one was on the other side of a wall that didnt have a window, he killed me threw the wall with an ak (god know how he knew I was there and fired so accurately to kill me)....to further this

-enemies seem to have a sixth sense of location, they seem to always know where you are in any circumstance.

-it seems to take a whole lot of bullets to kill an enemy, a clip at least, if not more than that. Basically kill 1 enemy, reload, repeat. Very annoying. and a early pistol has 8 shots, if you try to kill without head shot with that, youll reload twice most likely.

-changing the difficult just changes how fast you die (how freaking stupid)
To explain basically, the hardest mode is like this, imagine COD4, well you are in hardcore mode and the enemies are in regular mode all with the increase life perk. (whatever its called, cant remember)

-there seems to be no way to travel anywhere without confronting multiple enemy posts during missions. These posts also respawn very very fast. Very annoying.

-when you map is out while your in the car, when you get out, its still up, can be very annoying if you get attacked and jump out quickly to defend yourself and the map pops up in your face. sadly this doesnt work the other way around to benefit you. If your map is out outside the car and you get in, it gets put away. odd, and weirdly annoying.

-there is long distance transportation via bus. But, there is one station in the middle and one in each corner, also very annoying, cause the map is rather big and say if you need to reach something between the middle and the corner, your still gonna be walking, driving, and fighting threw atleast 2 to 3 enemy posts to get there...meaning...a long time.

-there was also this time I ran from an enemy post and went to a gun shop quite a distance away and wasnt followed either, I know this for shure. When i bought some things and went outside, there was an enemy truck waiting for me and kill me nearly immediatly upon exiting the gun shop.

-random non realism problem with the game, everyone (npc) in so called Africa seems to refer to distance by miles in the normal american way. Its kilometers over there, not miles!! Think they might would have picked that up over a month of being in Africa.

-I have tested this, there seem to be some mouse acceleration, like bioshock, but not as bad.

-field of view is FREAKING horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Also, its a free roaming game but sadly you cant freaking approach a camp anyway you want. I was in the middle of a map, doing a mission. Some where North west. middle. I go to climb some rocks to survey and snipe a enemy post. Low and freaking behold a invisible wall keeping from climbing up them....WHAT...THE....HELL!

-shotguns seem to have ridiculous range for the enemies that just is far from realistic. I got killed from enemy shot gun fire (about 3 shots) from a post on the side of the water and I was in a boat prob about 50 feet plus from him down the river.

-weapon reliability. Hugely overdone, weapons seem to break and jam on you very quickly, it gets very annoying. There was a point where my mission objective was pretty far across the map, I first went to a weapon storage place and loaded up, after having to go threw 3 or 4 enemy posts and finally getting to my mission objective my weapons were barely functioning. very shortly after starting my objective attack my weapons blew up in my face leaving me with nothing. picking up weapons is hardly an option cause those will start jamming right away, and it usually takes 3-4 seconds to unjam it, and when it starts to do that, it gets very frequent very fast until it blows up in your face. (every weapon does this). There has been times were a weapon was jamming pretty much at about every 20 bullets or so. Not to mention when you pick up enemy weapons they barely have any ammo in them. in which you need to kill another for more ammo or get to some ammo usually located in the heart of a post, and given the little ammo provided in an enemy weapon (8-15 bullets, not even enough to kill 1 enemy) its very hard to get there.

There is alot to complain about, ubisoft screwed this game up. It could have been great. But its basically a consolized game, half assed to Africa and back. (lol pun)

Dont get me wrong, the graphics are pretty decent. on sunset it looks very pretty, personally i think the sun rays are done a lot better than Crysis. (even though you can adjust that in the editor, but still just doesn't look as realistic and blinding as real life). and interior design seriously looks amazing with graphics on ultra with AA and AF, very stunning, dare I say it, almost as good as Crysis. character models a not bad either, a lot better looking then alot of games I have played, even recently. Its fun to blow stuff up and the fire part is cool.

If you love the game and think with these problems its worth 50 bucks, you have some serious freaking problems!!!

Sly Fox

10-25-2008, 12:26 AM

Decami

10-25-2008, 12:34 AM

Wow, you typed up just about everything I wanted to haha.

I'm going to continue playing FC2... Cus I guess if nothing else I want to see all the guns and do some of the better missions.

But yeah, I completely agree. The entire game is crippled by little "issues" all over the place. The constantly spawning "random" patrol cars drives me crazy mainly. Can't sit in a vehicle for more than 30 seconds without being assaulted by a jeep that ALWAYS can go twice as fast as you... And then your car breaks down from 5 shots....
then you jump out the car and get killed cause you have a massive map in your face, cause you had your map out in the car and it doesnt close it when you get out. But it tricks you, cause it doesnt pop up until about a second after getting out, oh god that drives me nuts.

seriously! I will prob play it as well to see the rest of the weapons and do the better missions as well. But i cant right now, I am very close to pulling the CD out and breaking it in half.

I missed one thing to say though. I forgot to mention taht even with the reliability upgrades you can purchase, the weapons still jam and blow up in your face too quickly.

Like I said, there has been times where I have gotten to a mission objective with no guns and had to go all the way back to an ammo shack to get more, when I had left the shack and tried to go straight to the objective in the first place. Again, picking up weapons is useless, cause they jam and blow up almost instantly, not to mention they have very little ammo in them, not even enough to kill 1 guy. So if you run out of ammo while be attacked, dont bother trying to get a a gun to pick up to shoot them, charge with the michette if you want to live, i should say a better chance to live, cause not even thats very easy with the perfect aim of the enemy.

Narmacil

10-25-2008, 12:54 AM

What you guys said +1....

I mentioned in another thread that it reminds me a lot of Boiling Point:Road to Hell, and i stand by that.
Not as bugged as BP was, but the same concept. FPS and RP don't mix too well, not for me anyways.
I tried it and gave it up, Ubisoft screwed up bigtime on this.

Decami

10-25-2008, 02:23 AM

UPDATE! ! !

missed a couple things.

No prone or lean.... not that it would matter anyway, the enemy would still see you regardless and if you prones and crawled up on a cliff top to snipe, they could hit you just as easily as if you were standing up. The reason I know this is cause i have stood behind a rock and slowly scooted up to just barely peek over it to fire, and as soon as I see the targets head I get a bullet in my face.

Also forgot to mention the AI is kinda retarded, and it doesnt change what so ever based on difficulty. They find cover to fight, but seem to leave that cover for no reason what so ever.

MomijiTMO

10-25-2008, 02:27 AM

Thanks for this. I was thinking of buying this game for the holidays but I guess I'll pass.

Decami

10-25-2008, 02:49 AM

another thing to add. WTF is the deal with the malaria that you have threw out the game. For those of you who haven't played it. You have malaria threw the game, most of it. This starts off on the get go, you have it from the start. and you have to get medicine to heal it. IF you dont use the medicine, it can kill. it lets you know you need to use it by blurring your screen and putting like a yellowish blur dotting film over the screen and flashing and what not, if you go too long without using the medicine you fall down and the same blurring effect happens. Then you run out of medicine and keep falling down and you go to get more from the this guy... and....read this very carefully....He gives you a freaking mission to go to someone else to get more from him cause he doesnt have any.... OMG... WHAT....THE...HELL.

This malaria effect blurring thing can happen at any time, they made it random, so you could be in the middle of a fire fight with 6 enemies and all of a sudden your screen blurs and flashes and smothers your screen with this transparent yellowish dot film type look and then you have to immediately use the pills which takes a good 5 seconds to do. Basically, you die if your in a fight cause of this.

There is no reason for this, its just down right freaking annoying as hell.

Sly Fox

10-25-2008, 03:01 AM

I'd like to know why with all those diamonds our lead character here can't buy more than 4 pills for the malaria at once.

It's really ridiculous, an utterly useless gimmick. The very definition of a gimmick frankly. "Do this useless, boring, repetitive task until your eyes bleed
every couple hours of gameplay."

I really hope somebody, somewhere releases a "mod" that gets rid of many of the obnoxious tasks. Even just tone them down a lot.

I don't really mind if weapons degrade, but not within the course of 30 minutes. Especially not when it takes 30 minutes to just go from point A to point B
in any given mission.

And the random patrol cars... Not to rant on this too much, but they drive me absolutely insane. I would enjoy the game approximately 10X as much with
their "encounter" rate turned down to about 1/10. Maybe even less. It would have been cool if it were kept relatively rare and not so gimmicky as,
"lol super fast car that destroys your car in 3 seconds flat within 500 yards. Give me a break. It's nice that you can repair vehicles, but don't make it a chore.

I don't know why exactly I force myself to play it... I know the rest of the game will follow suit, but lush forest graphics really hook me in.

Decami

10-25-2008, 04:43 AM

I don't know why exactly I force myself to play it... I know the rest of the game will follow suit, but lush forest graphics really hook me in.

yeah same, I keep going back to it, cause i like looking at it, but after finishing 1 mission, im so annoyed and pissed I just quit, even if I havent saved yet, I get that angry, I just forget to save.

tip though, there is a trainer out that has an option for 1 hit kill, which makes it a little tolerable, but make shure to disable this when getting weapons missions, as it kill the weapons guy when you accept a mission for some reason, so just hit the button to turn it off before you enter a weapons shop and turn it on again when you leave.

its the +7 trainer at gamecopyworld.com , got some other options like teleport, which i use if I cant make it to a mission before my guns blow up, and diamonds and invincible and other stuff.

tele works by saving position your at then hitting another button to go there, so if I get there and my weapons are all screwed I just save my position and go back to gun shop and get weapons and tele to there.

I only use tele when i need to and 1 shot kill.

G4h4o8s6T

10-25-2008, 05:44 AM

-field of view is FREAKING horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Theres a FOV hack out already, makes a big difference when you find the right settings.

http://tocaedit.com/forum/dload.php?action=file&file_id=119

Im really suprised no one has mentioned the voice acting!??!?! It is by far the WORST of any game Ive played! They dont even pause for a comma, or periods, IT DRIVES ME MAD!

G80

10-25-2008, 06:38 AM

Seems pretty rubbish. I wonder how it got 8.5 on gamespot. Probably a rigged review. Guess i'll stick to stalker for that open shooter. Even if its buggy as hell.

On a side note why is every open shooters, pretty crappy compared to linear ones?

Boiling point-rubbish
Stalker-rubbish
FC2 "seemingly" rubbish

Sure they have much more space and all but there is mostly nothing in that space, dialogue is allways broken in these games (wtf?). And overall they are very buggy and unfinished.

Elderscrolls is king though.

tripgood

10-25-2008, 07:57 AM

Great post! Hit a guy 5 times to bring him down with a .308 at 15 feet? What garbage. Gamespot got in line for the payola on this one. Un-installing now.

soundood

10-25-2008, 08:53 AM

i gota agree with all that has been said, this is the most awful release i have seen this year, its as if some 8 year old coded it. for me the whole game stinks.

that malaria thing is stupid, you start running with gun and bam, blurred screen and collapse, even thoughtyou got the medicine i the aafter the first mission.

dont even need to uninstal it here, i just re -imaged the whole drive lol, to get rid of it. no mistake here, i will never touch that again, good job i grabbed it from my Fav torrent site.

i would be gutted if i paid for it :ROTF:

Arkangyl

10-25-2008, 09:04 AM

IMO this game is really STALKER: Africa... Except done by someone whose idea of 'sandbox shooter' is several rail shooters overlayed (see: random enemy respawns, not true open world).

I started to get excited about the game last night when I got the sniper rifle, but then I ran smack-dab into that wonderful duet of issues: I really CAN'T go anywhere, and that enemies with shotties and the same crap guns that jam on me every five seconds can fire un-inerrupted with the same distance and accuracy as my sniper. Honestly Crysis felt more open than this game.

Graphically it looks pretty good, sunrise & sunset are excellent along with walking through the forest bits. However it just never hits that next level all around. It really feels like it fits in between HL2 / FarCry 1 and Crysis / CoD4 / Assassins Creed. Maybe it's just the muted African color palette that's making it hard to digest, but I was re-playing Half-Life 2 just before I got FC2 and HL2 pretty much looked as good as FC2 in everything but the sun-ray lighting (HL2, not the ep2 or LC HDR graphics btw).

Plus I don't really get the story, were you hired to kill the Jackal? Is it now personal because, umm, he let you live? I really have no motivation to hunt this man down to be honest, yeah he's a bit of a :banana::banana::banana::banana: but not much more so than any of the random dudes shooting at you.

In a FPS I want to be in something like Shoot em Up or Star Wars, either just balls to the wall or something truly epic. Things like Blood Diamond (I'm assuming that had some influence on this game) really just don't translate that well because they focused on the human drama of it, to just pull out the action bits and then throw in a malaria gimmick for 'drama' really just misses the point.

I'd give FarCry 2 a 6/10 right now, it has some cool parts but ultimately it's just a poor melding of STALKER and Crysis

edit: this is the first game where I've actually been upset that I paid $50 for it, I really do like supporting good developers but this just feels like such a flagrant attempt to cash in on the FarCry name and the sandbox shooter concept along with 'kewl graphics'

Decami

10-25-2008, 12:10 PM

Theres a FOV hack out already, makes a big difference when you find the right settings.

http://tocaedit.com/forum/dload.php?action=file&file_id=119

Im really suprised no one has mentioned the voice acting!??!?! It is by far the WORST of any game Ive played! They dont even pause for a comma, or periods, IT DRIVES ME MAD!

dude, you hit the nail on the head, the problem is there are so many problems its hard to really mention them all in one page lol.

Seems pretty rubbish. I wonder how it got 8.5 on gamespot. Probably a rigged review. Guess i'll stick to stalker for that open shooter. Even if its buggy as hell.

On a side note why is every open shooters, pretty crappy compared to linear ones?

Boiling point-rubbish
Stalker-rubbish
FC2 "seemingly" rubbish

Sure they have much more space and all but there is mostly nothing in that space, dialogue is allways broken in these games (wtf?). And overall they are very buggy and unfinished.

Elderscrolls is king though.

Its cause the first two hours of the game are enjoyable, then you start to notice the bad, it creeps up on you and then it falls on its ass. I am guessing, yeah, either they got paid, or they didnt play the game very long.

Carfax

10-25-2008, 12:41 PM

Wow, the reviews on Xtremesys are a sharp contrast to the reviews by gamers on other websites. Most other consumer reviews I've read seem to be very positive, although they definitely recognize the fact that the game has issues.

Maybe Ubisoft will release a patch to fix them... Until then, I think I'll pass on this one.

Zigosity

10-25-2008, 01:26 PM

I disagree that it's crap. I like it actually, there's just a bunch of *little* things wrong that, when added up, make it really annoying. They could probably all be fixed in a patch. Not like they're going to do that, but they might. Who knows.

I don't like the million little enemy encampments or the random jeep dudes either, or the AI. I HATE the AI, they don't do ANYTHING intelligent. Most of the time they stand around, either shooting at you or just looking the other way, or they sprint for a car and try to run you over. Nice. I don't like how quickly the guns wear, but the jamming is fine IMO. Adds another element to a gunfight. Same with the malaria, although they could have implemented it better. I've mostly been using the sniper rifles which insta-kill almost everything, so I'm not that affected by the lack of damage of the weapons. There's no sneaking at ALL in this game, the AI knows where you are all the time unless it's night, in which case they NEVER know where you are. That's kind of a big thing for me, I love crawling around with a rifle and taking out a base slowly and methodically without anyone noticing, but there's no way I can pull that off in FC2 :|. I also wish not EVERYONE you see outside the main town shot at you, jees, it gets freaking annoying after a while and I don't see how that's realistic.

As for the technical side, every time I save\load a game my FPS halves if I have crossfire enabled. Turn it off, and it works fine. Not a big deal, and it runs super smooth even on one 4850 (!), but still something I would have expected to be caught in a beta test. Actually, everything wrong with this game should have been caught in beta testing, it's as if they skipped that step entirely...

Anyway, I hope they release a patch soon for this that addresses at least a few of the issues. Besides that, the game's fun. It might not be everything I expected it to be, and it probably wasn't worth the 50$ I payed for it (First time I've preordered a game and second time in the last three years I've bought one, the other was Mass Effect.. probably not going to do that again :P), but it's a fun game all the same. I'll keep playing.

-Zigosity

lenix

10-25-2008, 02:44 PM

This game fails, period. Thanks for listing all those points, nail in the coffin.

patrickadizzle

10-25-2008, 03:37 PM

Interesting.

I'm enjoying this game a lot, played in total 19 hours so far and it seems to get better and better.

For all the people saying it's boring, have some variety, try going to your mission on foot, or do it at night with a silenced weapon so you can be sneaky.

This game has a stupid amount of potential if they would just release an SDK, and they would fix some of the major bugs.
In my mind, it's definintly worth 50 dollars AFTER they release the SDK and fix certain bugs. Right now? not so much..

For those that "hate" this game, what did you expect that you didn't really get in the game? I'm not looking to argue with anyone but rather just see exactly what it is you dislike.

Zigosity

10-25-2008, 05:17 PM

purecain

10-25-2008, 05:45 PM

on the one hand you have vehicles that stalker clear sky really needed and more diologue, ''but'' with no lean,prone, impossible stealth, unrealistic AI, repetative missions, the map and all the other issues it makes you think...WTF were they doing....
i'm gonna complete the game, as i usually do(just to get my moneys worth)... so i'll reserve my final oppinion untill the end... but we cant all be wrong because we're thinking the exact same things...

n-sanity

10-25-2008, 05:53 PM

To add to all that... MAJOR console port problem: .314 second delay from your mouse movement to on-screen movement. INCREDIBLY annoying and impeding. Even with it though, hardcore is easy-breezy with a sniper rifle.
Moan # 2: Did anyone notice how enemies always have a super power that makes their cars into armoured ferraris..? A random 30y/o truck does 0-60 in less then a second. Then crashes into a tree (wildly skidding everywhere), then repeats the same over and over until it a) runs you over b) the retard inside takes his sweet time getting out (during which, you blow his head off).

Way to kill the franchise UBI, it could truly have been great.

The 10 random guard posts (where guards respawn semi-instantly the moment u set foot outside the camp) on your way to one mission kill the game.

Decami

10-25-2008, 11:45 PM

Update, was doin the blow up the gas tank mission thing and decided to do the alternative friend objective. So i travel to him, get mission to kill policeman, take my sweet time with a dart rifle (effective actually) and then killed the police man. On my way to second objective I straight up fall over from malaria after running out of pils (just took the last killing police man). I then end up waking up in the dead centre of the map in the church in the town where the guy there tells me he also doesnt have medicine. He then gives me a quest which of coarse is a million miles away in the south west and i travel there and go threw 3 posts, and as I am approaching the place I get shot at, (dont know, guess i killed a guy related to the med place idk) i then shoot back keeping from death and they all come running, i defend myslef and try to enter the building to get the malaria medecine, I CANT. this is my fault, i didnt save during this whole time, well, got 2 hours of repetitive crap to do, again. ERRRRR

As for someone saying they like that jamming and what not, well, so do the rest of us, but when it happens within 30 minutes, not even enough time to get to some missions and it jams every clip or two until it blows in your face, that is pretty freaking stupid.

I am starting to seriously think this game DIDNT TOUCH QA!!!!!!!!!!

r4st4m4n

10-26-2008, 04:48 AM

I was pissed of by the country restriction on the download of FC2 (see the topic here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205835) but after reading all these posts, the country restriction preventing me from buying it might be a good thing finally :rolleyes:

CBird28

10-26-2008, 05:10 AM

Narmacil

10-26-2008, 06:04 AM

Zigosity

10-26-2008, 08:40 AM

You are wrong.

It's an opinion, dude. He can't be wrong.

-Zigosity

TedShred

10-26-2008, 08:59 AM

Good info in here. I was thinking about grabbing this one but, especially considering the recent drop in the Cdn dollar has made this game almost $65 for me, I think I'll pass.

edit: I stand (sit) corrected - Memory Express has it for $50cdn. http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX22457(ME).aspx Will still probably pass though, some of those issues sound pretty aggravating

Narmacil

10-26-2008, 09:00 AM

No, it's a statement.
I was talking about the game, he was talking about the people who play it.
I was saying there is something wrong with the game, he was saying there is something wrong with the gamers that didn't like it and don't agree with him, even to the point of viewing them as kids.

So he's wrong.
If he had said : "I think this is a good game despite of what anyone else thinks" then it would have been an opinion and everything would be fine and dandy.

G80

10-26-2008, 09:54 AM

People really need to learn what a decent game is and stop jumping on the "I hate most modern pc games" bandwagon

i bet all the people who think its rubbish are like cod4 players. and only enjoy games which are succesful online and games they are used to. KIDS

if anyone is reading this looking for a decent fps for offline gameplay... this is definitely worth buying.

It is the singleplayer people that are looking for these kind of games. I dont know were you been in the last couple of years. Or you just accept anything that is being shoved down your throat. But quality of PC games are diminishing rapidly. Hence the prejudice of this particular title. And wherever i look i only see negative experience with this game also. Decami just saved me some hard earned money and obvious annoyances. That life is to short to waste time on.

sirheck

10-26-2008, 10:06 AM

The more i play it the less i like it.
My AK-47 has jammed on me once in 15 years.

In the game it jams all the time, well if it isnt
blowing up in my hands:mad:
I even bought the upgrades for it:mad::mad:

IMO i wasted my money.
Will only play it if im really bored.

TedShred

10-26-2008, 10:23 AM

Wow, that's right. I saw a show awhile back about the AK47's reliabilty - they took an AK47, buried it in the sand, then submersed it under water, then ran over it with a big truck. It fired like it was brand new. Geez, if they wanted to add weapon reliability as a cool realism feature, they really shoulda clued into that.

Decami

10-26-2008, 01:33 PM

If you come in here, praising that this game is good and in total denial, please explain why the problems pointed out in this thread by so many are a GOOD THING in the game!!

The problems we have pointed out EXIST in the game, and are problems to very many people. There is no denying the fact that these problems exist and we are just pointing them out for people trying to make a decision on buying this game, cause we feel our money was wasted and want to give people a heads up.

So before you come in here praising the games god worthy gameplay, remember that. You can like it all you want and thats your thing, and you can argue all day long about how YOU think its great, but that is not why I started this thread.

The thread is called "If trying to make a decision on whether or not to buy FC2 read!" not "Far Cry 2 debate"

I for one am not jumping on I hate bandwagon, I am a very open individual when it comes to games, and this game is horrible, not the idea, but the way it was done, there are so many little things wrong with it, it interferes with the way the game is played. So please dont jump in here talking crap for no reason just because people dont agree with you and have a different opinion of the game, if you hyped the crap out of this game for yourself and are in total denial of its problems, MAJOR problems, then thats your fault not ours!

Its funny how those of us who accept this game as crap are listing multiple things about it and explaining whats good and whats bad and listing the problems. Then the ones who are praising it, their post consists of....your wrong your wrong, your jsut hating it for no reason, your playing it wrong, its worth buying it, with no explanation on why.

TurboDiv

10-26-2008, 07:13 PM

yaddam205

10-26-2008, 08:19 PM

Can any of you guys who have the game write a review of the multilayer experience please. I really love games with fun multilayer. A single player game is fun until you beat it and than it kind of gets boring. I really hope the multilayer component is fun.

How about a short summary?

The multi-player while fun has some major flaws in terms of connection, servers, interface. I am not talking about game play as I feel it's a hell of a lot of fun regardless of the game type. Now here are my issues with the technical side of things;

1: Connection to servers: It is Xbox Live style copied to a T. I feel like I was trying to access a Halo 3 match when I first tried to connect. Now granted there is an option to view current servers, however you cannot join a match in progress and there currently is no filter to remove those form the list.

2: Connecting to the "Official FC2" server: I understand this must be in place in order to keep correct stats and load outs but I should NEVER have an issue trying to connect to it. There a times where I will have to try 3-4 times before it accepts me. This is very reminiscent to connecting to "Official BF2" servers before the fixed it.

3: Joining a game: Once you are past the initial MP connect screens and accepted into the player pool it attempts to find appropriate games available based upon player rank. This is all fine and dandy however, I seem to be connecting and disconnecting from at least 4-7 hosts before it finds the right one. This becomes extremely annoying.

4: Buddy System: There is none, no easy way to connect and play with your friends. The only way I see fit is scowering the match list or direct connect both which aren't really convenient or anyone.

Just about everything listed can be solved with patches, very large and daunting patches. Lets hope they listen up to the PC community.

Enough griping, now on to the good parts; game play.

I thoroughly enjoy just about all aspects of it.

1. Deathmatch: Fun and quite hectic on smaller maps you can really feel a sense or urgency. On the larger maps though snipers can become a pain as they will pick you off from afar before you can act.

2. Team DM: I feel is fantastic on large maps only and if you can get good team work going you will dominate even with newer players.

I haven't played enough of the other two game types to really give a through opinion so ill update.

Let me know if you have any other questions about MP.

Cheers.

kadozer

10-26-2008, 08:49 PM

*Anxiously awaits Yahtzee's review of this game.

Decami

10-27-2008, 12:07 AM

*Anxiously awaits Yahtzee's review of this game.

yeah just remembered him, havent visited the site in a month, i need to go over there and see what I have missed, that guy is awesome.

I assure you he will rip this game apart, limb from limb.

naokaji

10-27-2008, 01:26 AM

My opinion on FC2:

graphics are ok, not awesome but also not rubbish.
Africa? something else than ww2, so I cant complain.

AI, dumbest and smartest enemies at the same time, its really strange, they see a vehicle approaching their checkpoint and know from several hundred meters away that you are the enemy, but then start shooting at you with a shotgun over a distance where only a sniper rifle could work.

The weapons jam far too often.

Where is the open world? I'm sorry, I coudn't find it yet.

Missions sometimes don't update properly.

Now for the worst thing...
You move the mouse and fire, the bullet goes somewhere in the air because the mouse moves far slower than in other games, hard to explain, but it's almost like there would be someone standing besides you trying to prevent you from moving the mouse.

Razrback16

10-27-2008, 05:34 AM

I agree very much with what others have said. I really haven't found the game fun at all. Some of the graphics features, particularly lighting are good, but otherwise, I think Crysis puts it to absolute shame. I find the game monotonous, boring, and what someone said above is exactly true -- the field of visions SUCKS. You can barely see the enemies when they're right in front of you. The more I play it, and for $50 I will definitely play it all the way through, the more and more convinced I become that this will be one of those games that just goes right up on ebay when I'm done with it as so far I have ZERO desire to play it again. Give me Crysis 2!!!

KoHaN69

10-30-2008, 05:14 PM

I give all these games a try after 3+ months of patching and modding. it's sad, really

i think call of duty 4 is the only game that was polished enough to play out of the box

Omastar

10-30-2008, 05:23 PM

I'm having buyer's remorse...and I didn't even buy the game. :rofl:

philbrown23

10-30-2008, 05:31 PM

I am not having the issues where they find me no matter what, dunno why if every 1 else is

purecain

10-30-2008, 08:33 PM

i just want the game to end... i've been trying like mad to finish it...
with the forced break(crash) every 15 minutes and all these side and health missions not to mention the outposts, its taking me ages....
if it turns out i'm only half way thru i'm gonna have to put it down while i play an exciting game like dead space...

LexDiamonds

10-30-2008, 09:31 PM

IMO, anyone even on the fence about buying FC2, should shelve this until its (hopefully) patched, and pick up Fallout 3!

Fallout3 is fantastic so far and well worth the 50 clams. Please dont pirate it thou! PC gaming needs to support the truly great titles that come out..

KiD0M4N

10-30-2008, 09:55 PM

One of my board members did a FC2 review.... please don't read if you like the game: http://www.erodov.com/forums/only-honest-far-cry-2-review,13359/

MomijiTMO

10-30-2008, 11:35 PM

^

That's a great review. I think the whole 'healing' thing is pretty whacked.

Husky42

10-31-2008, 03:52 AM

I agree with all the post about Far Cry - It has way too many issues, however a few realism mods it will be great i think

Neuuubeh

10-31-2008, 04:16 AM

Ever since I read that Farcry2 is actually not being developed by Crytek I pretty much lost fate. The concept of killing undernourished sick and poor African folk didnt sound exciting either. However I have to admit that the result sounds a lot worse than I thought..

One thing I dont understand tho, how can they have the balls to call this game "FarCry 2"?? It has nothing to do with the first game :shocked: ?? Oh well, at least Crysis feels a good take on the original Far Cry for me...

Evil-Fruits|R4z

10-31-2008, 11:33 AM

How about a short summary?

3: Joining a game: Once you are past the initial MP connect screens and accepted into the player pool it attempts to find appropriate games available based upon player rank. This is all fine and dandy however, I seem to be connecting and disconnecting from at least 4-7 hosts before it finds the right one. This becomes extremely annoying.

Cheers.

Wow 4-7. you are blessed my friendl, I had to sit through 26 epileptic fit inducing, loading screen switches last night,before I was informed that there were no availble server' s to join - I am afraid that MP on this game is now shelved until the issues raised are sorted out.

IMO the MP server browser is the worst one I have seen in about......ever!

R4z

YukonTrooper

10-31-2008, 12:16 PM

Wow. Sounds like this game needs some major patchification.

Razrback16

11-01-2008, 07:45 AM

Wow. Sounds like this game needs some major patchification.

I don't think patches will fix what's wrong. You know how Ron White says "You can't fix stupid"? Well in this case, you just can't fix bad gameplay. They would have to build a new game entirely for it to be "fixed".

r4st4m4n

11-07-2008, 02:34 AM

Ubisoft have released a patch for far cry 2 v.1.0.1.

It seems mostly to correct bugs rather than gameplay but it's better than nothing.

If someone have installed it, please let us now if it fixes some of the big problem with the game ;)

PopeGold

11-09-2008, 04:32 AM

Thanks for this. I was thinking of buying this game for the holidays but I guess I'll pass.

Far Cry 2 is so annoying... i played a few times... and have played it sense

when enemies can track u down with ease... and they wear shirts than can stop whole clips of machine gunfire then thats enuff for me....

This game is crap... looks pretty but is pure crap. why plan a game that makes u upset and frustrated.. how is that fun?

save your money for COD5...

PopeGold

11-09-2008, 04:33 AM

I don't think patches will fix what's wrong. You know how Ron White says "You can't fix stupid"? Well in this case, you just can't fix bad gameplay. They would have to build a new game entirely for it to be "fixed".

Yeah patches sure fixed that POS Soldier Of Fortune 3... talking about killing a franchise

no patch wil save far cry

halo112358

11-09-2008, 03:27 PM

FC2 is kind of fun, until you realize that you can beat most encounters by just steamrolling in with the jeep and then switching to the turret....

Razrback16

11-10-2008, 09:20 AM

Original Poster -- if you end up deciding to purchase, PM me. My copy is for sale -- I just got done uninstalling and deactivating my license.

Quad-Damage

11-10-2008, 10:02 AM

I regret buying it, i almost never buy game unless it's good, it's not a buy

get it from a "buddy" :)

Particle

11-10-2008, 10:12 AM

I would play FarCry 2 if it even ran. It crashes before I get any game time. It does this both with and without crossfire and with Vista or Server 08. Waste of money.

amped_imports

11-10-2008, 11:05 AM

(warning....sporadic post)

I have mixed feelings about the game. It is fun, the graphics are pretty good, but I think the game was over hyped. After playing Crysis I figured this would try and one-up it. Not so much. I think what really annoys me is how the trailers for it claimed "do what you want destroy anything blah blah blah"........yeah, that doesn't happen. You can destory just as much in this game as any other game, cars, barrels, and you can burn the grass. :rolleyes:

I would like to mention though I like how if I'm sprinting and I crouch he slides on his knees.

I think its lame how the machete works. If an enemy is laying on the ground you have the ability to do a "finishing move" but you barely see any of it. You see the machete go into the guys gut then your character moves his head and it some weird sound is made which sounds like your character punching the enemy or something. Also, if you run up on someone and use the machete is just a basic slash. I want to sneak up on someone and cut their throat from behind. Geez, thow me a bone here!

The gun jamming/breaking idea is a good idea, but needs a fair amount of work to make it enjoyable detail for the game.

Also I'd like to mention that I feel that this game was made just to show the potential of Ubisoft's game, now they're just waiting for someone else to use it to actually make a better game.

Overall the game is decently fun and I'll be putting in a ton of hours trying to beat it 100%. Is the game worth $50? I'd say about half that.

xsbb

11-13-2008, 11:32 AM

It was a beautiful game! But I got bored 2 hours in, and uninstalled.

Arkangyl

11-13-2008, 12:24 PM

My top patch / mod issues after 15+ hours of play time:

-Enemy AI, sometimes I can sneak around them but god forbid I accidentally tap the mouse wheel and change weapons because they hear that, or just randomly detect me when I'm too far away to see anything but a blob of color

-Enemy accuracy, spotty in general, but if I'm at sniping range those shotgun blasts (hell, even assault rifle shots) ought not be touching me a tenth as much as they do. The rifles might have the technical ability but I'm not fighting trained spec-ops people, I'm fighting militants...

-Go anywhere my ass, I always end up getting walled in by the high-canyons and mountains. I get that not everything can be scaled, but why not have an action button 'E' that allows me to climb up a rock. If you want to claim reality then don't just limit me to what I can jump on

-Prone, why can't I go prone? Or Walk / Sneak? The shift and Z key are just sitting there...

-Blow up everything, unless it's a building or bridge, can't do jack :banana: to those darn wooden structures with my fire and bombs...

-superfastrespawnguards. I killed you five minutes ago on my way to a mission, either a) a patrol discovered your bodies and there ought be a damn army there or b) no one knows and it's still empty. Who the hell just starts their shift at 'work' when the last shift is still bleeding on the floor? What if McDonalds worked that way?

-reputation: I'm supposedly gaining favor with someone, why the hell does that not matter to any of these patrols? It's like there are 3 factions, UFLL, PLA (whatever they are) and then the Guards.

Story wise I really don't feel drawn in at all, when the first 'part' of the game came to pass (you who've played know), I really didn't care. Plus the more I learn about the Jackal the less I want to kill him (really hoping for a twist there!) but the general characters I meet are just, meh, there? They tell me to go destroy something/someone and I do it for diamonds.

Look, this is war-torn Africa. Where are the child soldiers? How about some moral dilemma here! Do I or do I not shoot the child? How about the poor people in the village, let me see them and want to help them! The game is just Force A and Force B going at it in Environment E. My actions for A don't affect B that much, he'll still give me work.

It's fun to play as a good looking FPS with some cool guns (now that they're unlocked) with the ability to just lay down the hurt when I get bored. However sandbox = fail and FarCry2 = console game with the mechanics of STALKER mated with GTA or, hmm, Mercenaries 2??

I keep bashing it then going back for more though. Honestly I really just want to be wrong about this game because it does have its moments of fun.

Decami

11-13-2008, 01:35 PM

Original Poster -- if you end up deciding to purchase, PM me. My copy is for sale -- I just got done uninstalling and deactivating my license.

im the OP...Did you read what I typed?

Katanai

11-13-2008, 01:48 PM

I'm just gonna say what I've been saying since the Rayman days: Ubisucks!

Chruschef

11-13-2008, 02:50 PM

honestly, FC2 was rubbish compared to what I thought it was going to be...

Crysis is much better for multiplayer, still. Now all crysis needs is CTF of some variation.

Chruschef

11-13-2008, 02:51 PM

I'm just gonna say what I've been saying since the Rayman days: Ubisucks!

I love rayman.. Still.

Been playing rayman on the sega dreamcast since it came out. :rofl:

Penny

11-15-2008, 04:56 PM

Decami

11-15-2008, 11:23 PM

+1 Farcry 2 is an awesome game, GOTY for me.

Or what about the Crysis lovers who claim to have never found a single flaw when that POS was first released or Stalker for that matter. :rofl:

Crysis has many flaws, stalker as well, I like COD4 but it doesn lack alot. Still I hate Far Cry 2, horrible logic, you guys have.

If you think Far Cry 2 is "awesome," and disagree it has flaws, you got some issues, or are just easy to please. Compared to most "good" pc games, that actually know what they are doing, this is a pile of crap, good to entertain the console crowd, but not us pc gamers so easily.

Good old marketing has struck denial in the hearts of gamers again!

Penny

11-16-2008, 08:02 AM

Crysis has many flaws, stalker as well, I like COD4 but it doesn lack alot..

I loved Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Stalker and COD4. The point I was trying to make with Crysis and Stalker is the fact that they were both plagued with issues at first (many more issues than FC2 btw) and yet no one moaned and groaned and cried to the degree that you guys are doing in this thread with FC2.

Its really not that hard to figure it out either, Crysis and Stalker are PC exclusives and FC2 is not so we have automatic hate from the PC elitist crowd, had the game been a PC exclusive the flaws would be forgiven just like they were with Crysis and Stalker.

This PC elitist attitude crap that some of you guys have is just sickning to say the least, makes me want to vomit. I love PC gaming and its the only thing I game with, yet you will not hear me complaining a single bit about all the console ports that get added to my collection, a lot of them are great games and a lot of you guys will miss out because of your superiority complexes, its really sad.

If you think Far Cry 2 is "awesome,"

and disagree it has flaws,
you got some issues, or are just easy to please.

Show me where I disagreed that it has flaws? I never said that. Yes the game has a couple of minor issues from time to time but its no where near the scale of issues that Crysis and Stalker had when they were first released.

If you think Far Cry 2 is "awesome,"

Thats my opinion, and im entitled to it BTW. You dont have to like the game, I really couldnt care less as thats not what im having a problem with in this thread.

fps_dean

11-16-2008, 06:03 PM

I've been curious how this game fares out. I got the original Far Cry for like $5 about three years ago (I think).... game wasn't too bad if you're coming from maybe Doom I guess but like most Ubisoft games I can think of it was fairly boring considering I could be playing Battlefield 2 or CoD2 or whatever other games were out at the time.

FC2 reviewed much better and fans pretty strongly voted it as better than CoD: World at War which seems to live up to the CoD standards so far - including being plagued with problems and people who can't load the game until a few patches down the road as I am having that problem on my box, but I've got to play it on a box I'm trying to sell.

Somehow I have a feeling it will get real boring real fast like other Ubisoft games... and I'm not talking just about multiplayer here either. I'd rather replay through any Call of Duty mission, single player as opposed to play through FC1 with better graphics or Crysis...

Penny

11-16-2008, 06:31 PM

Somehow I have a feeling it will get real boring real fast.

I have about 20hrs logged into FC2 and that couldnt be further from the truth, the game gets better the longer you play it. Most of the whiners simply have not spent enough time with the game to see how good it gets.

Decami

11-16-2008, 09:49 PM

I loved Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Stalker and COD4. The point I was trying to make with Crysis and Stalker is the fact that they were both plagued with issues at first (many more issues than FC2 btw) and yet no one moaned and groaned and cried to the degree that you guys are doing in this thread with FC2.

Its really not that hard to figure it out either, Crysis and Stalker are PC exclusives and FC2 is not so we have automatic hate from the PC elitist crowd, had the game been a PC exclusive the flaws would be forgiven just like they were with Crysis and Stalker.

This PC elitist attitude crap that some of you guys have is just sickning to say the least, makes me want to vomit. I love PC gaming and its the only thing I game with, yet you will not hear me complaining a single bit about all the console ports that get added to my collection, a lot of them are great games and a lot of you guys will miss out because of your superiority complexes, its really sad.

I as well like Crysis and Stalker, but they still suffer from flaws even now, worse in the beginning I will agree. and the reason that this game is multi plat isnt making people hate it, it really isnt a good game, if you like it and can "deal" with what it suffers than fine, great for you. But those problems "do" exist, and they are not little tiny problems you can fix with a xmb patch.

Theres no way you can sit there and say...oh well, the fov is fine, the story is fine, the marketing lies are fine. this game suffers, alot. If you enjoy it, but agree it has problems then stop whining at people who think those problems shouldnt exist. This has nothing to do with this "pc elitist" thing you are talking about. This has to do with a flawed game that many of us are very upset about. If you can "deal" with that flawed game than fine, good for you. But we are basically creating feedback, for developers, helping make our gaming experience better.

What....you think we should just shut up and take it down the windpipe? Screw that, stop whining about whining, it makes you no better.

Show me where I disagreed that it has flaws? I never said that. Yes the game has a couple of minor issues from time to time but its no where near the scale of issues that Crysis and Stalker had when they were first released.

never said you did disagree....key word in that sentence is "if," and the issues my friend are not minor, denial makes you think they are minor, and Crysis and Stalkers issues werent minor either.

Thats my opinion, and im entitled to it BTW. You dont have to like the game, I really couldnt care less as thats not what im having a problem with in this thread.

I understand thats your opinion, never said you couldnt have it, just trying to understand where that opinion comes from, and honestly every single person i have talked to that have tried to explain why the game is "awesome" hae been very bleek and non detailed about it.

Its funny cause every thread I have read about issues in far cry 2, theres always those people that pop in and say "ya +1 the game is awesome" or whatever, never say why. Heres us, talking about the games flaws giving very much detail and literally mountains and paragraphs of reasons, and then you have someone jumping in saying, "the game is great, stop whining" and never come back to thread again, or jsut never say why. Strange.....

I have about 20hrs logged into FC2 and that couldnt be further from the truth, the game gets better the longer you play it. Most of the whiners simply have not spent enough time with the game to see how good it gets.

because we cant, for seasons of defending ourselves from the pain it causes, but i have played about 15 hours probably.

But the problems it suffers from are not gonna change threw the game, such as the many i have listed.

Penny

11-17-2008, 07:58 AM

*Snip*

Let's keep out tempers out of this one.

Yaddam205

Decami

11-17-2008, 04:00 PM

So I guess things like (this game suffers from consolitise, or it should have been a PC exclusive) have nothing to do with multi plat hate? yeah ok. :rolleyes:

Again this amount of whining far exceeds that of Crysis and Stalker both which had many more issues and both which ironically enough were PC exclusives.

I really dont think you realize what an opinion is do you?

Please go into detail about the problems you are talking about which you state cannot be fixed with a patch, im not going to slam you for it but I would like to know what your talking about.

News Flash! There is a FOV fix for this game at widescreengamingforums that will take you all of 2 seconds to download and use.... you should look into it.

BTW FC2 certainly isnt the first game to come along that didnt offer proper widescreen support so this argument is rather lame, there are plenty of other games that needed an independent FOV fix as well.

Whats wrong with the story? and marketing lies, please enlighten me.

Again, please enlighten me.

Funny you say that because I get the exact same thing from all the haters. :ROTF:

Mountains and paragraphs of reasons? rotf! How about mountians of paragraphs of pretty much nothing but nitpicking and needless whining about every little thing you can possibly find that you dont like. Hell I can fire up just about any game and nitpick non important things that dont make a hell of a difference in the game for hours on end if I wanted to.

And rightfully so! see point above. If most of you guys would just relax, play the game and put take of your aNal lising hats you might actually enjoy it.

All of this wasnt necessary at all, if you actually thought, and read, instead of trying to whine about somebody whining. All the answers you seek are in the original post of this thread....I am the OP, so....

But no, just like I said, your one of those people who pop into a "problems with Far Cry 2" thread, says its awesome and dont explain why and call a bunch of people idiots, are pc elitists or whatever word you like to use for no reason what so ever then I guess to entertain yourself.

Your wrong, I do know what an opinion is, and why does it bug you so much that others have a different one, for you to going rambling on about nothingness, call people elitists and what not, asking questions about something that was explained in post #1, that you didnt read.

Dude, you are whinging about people whining, what kind of sense does that make? Your acting like "you" are the elitist here.

Oh and by the way, I know theres a FOV fix, in fact, again, if you would have read the thread about that fix in this very forum, you would find out I have about 6 different posts in that thread explaining to people how to use it and why. Still does not justify why this problem existed in the first place, when your customers have to create fixes taht shouldnt have existed in the first place for a game, its pretty sad.

LOL you keep saying relax and play the game, well, we cant, cause its so bad to us, we cant stand the game. People dont play games they dont enjoy.

Mountains and paragraphs of reasons? rotf! How about mountians of paragraphs of pretty much nothing but nitpicking and needless whining about every little thing you can possibly find that you dont like. Hell I can fire up just about any game and nitpick non important things that dont make a hell of a difference in the game for hours on end if I wanted to.

*Edited* Lets not start a flame war here.

yaddam205

Frankenchrist

11-17-2008, 06:41 PM

Thanks for the honest reviews. I'm in my thirties now, and honestly most first person shooters have just been graphical upgrades for as long as I can remember. I like FPS games but lately I can't bring myself to buy them with the frequency that I used to. I'm still a gamer, and I really love them- I just don't see enough new ground broken especially lately. I liked the first Far Cry even though it had a fairly weak story and an even weaker multiplayer, but I didn't even consider buying this second one. Thanks for the warning, I know I made the right decision now. And as far as an AK-47 jamming or becoming useless, the only time that has ever happened to me is after shooting it so much that the handguards get hot.

yaddam205

11-17-2008, 08:22 PM

flegg

11-17-2008, 09:59 PM

I bought FC2 for 360 because I don't have a gaming comp atm.... waiting on black Fri. And I don't understand how anyone can like this game. I don't even think the graphics are very good. The AI may not be terrible in all respects, but where it fails really hard is getting you immersed in the game - bots don't act human at all. And if not immersion, I don't know what this game offers... do the same damn thing over and over and over. Throw a grenade under the patrols, repeat, kill some1 and run repeat, blow something up and run, repeat. Really.

And how stupid are the diamonds? Hey look a random briefcase with one diamond sitting in it in some completely random spot. How rewarding it is to find them!

Another thing about immersion.... injecting yourself with crap and pulling out fragments to go from near dead to near full hp while people are shooting you seems even less realistic to me than using a medpack.

And I haven't even mentioned the gun jamming and the malaria....

I picked it up on craigslist for $40 from some1 who hated it and now I'm trying to resell it for $30.

And maybe you can call me a PC elitist but I thought Gears of War 2 was actually worth the money.

Decami

11-18-2008, 01:26 AM

*Edited* Lets not start a flame war here.

yaddam205
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Sorry yaddam, just drives me nuts! we are trying to atleast provide people with what this game is and what its problems are and people come in here talking all kinds of stuff, calling people names for no reason what so ever.

Its fine to disagree, nothing is wrong with that, but instead of flaming people because they have different opinions and calling people names, how about you explain why you thought the game was good, what is good about it, why did you enjoy it. Explain details on what makes this game enjoyable to you, explain why our "opinions" may be wrong. Instead of jumping into the thread, calling people elitists and what ever else.

AstralWanderer

11-29-2008, 10:22 AM

What surprises me about this thread is that no-one has mentioned the online activation requirements. Doesn't anyone see the problems involved with this and the potential for abuse by the publisher? (e.g. charging people for re-activation, requiring the installation of ad/spyware, etc).

koc

11-29-2008, 10:39 AM

I was one from the luckiest people who experience the game :cool:

and my opinion about the game

:down::down::down::down::down::down::down::down::d own::down::down:

xsbb

11-29-2008, 11:21 AM

Thanks for giving an honest review about Far Cry 2 OP. Most of the time, you'll see it being glorified, about this and that but it's not the same when you're playing the game.

I feel it's been rushed? But there are so many things that the OP was right about. It needs to be tweaked ALOT.

A whole bunch of small things that just ruins the whole experience of playing Far Cry 2.

I should have listened.

It's a beautiful game, but that's pretty much it.

Whilhelm

12-02-2008, 10:54 PM

My 2 cents about Far Cry 2.

Pros.

- Very nice graphics and game performance. Though it doesn't look anywhere near as good as Crysis.

- Good presentation overall, I like how it keeps you in character all the time and includes animations for all of your actions. (Since when does tightening the rad support bolt in the engine compartment fix a smoking engine :rofl:)

- Great sound effects and gunfire. (Not the voice acting)

- The first bit of the game was pretty fun

- I like the large open world concept

- The fire is pretty cool

- I like when a buddy dies they are gone forever. (Unless you load an old save :p:)

- You do get a nice assortment of weapons to use.

Cons.

- The combat is generally not very exciting most of the time

- Terrible Voice Acting, they seem to rush through there dialogue.

- No prone or lean

- Really easy to get stuck on the environment, especially in the water.

- Re spawning enemy's and camps. When I destroy something that is part of the environment I want it to stay that way.

- Stupid random spawing jeep brigades.

- Why does absolutely everyone shoot at me all the time. It would be nice to see some civilians or friendly soldiers once in a while at least for the sake of immersion.

- New weapons jam too quickly

- Vehicles are slow and AI vehicles are faster then yours almost all the time.

- AI is downright stupid at times and unrealistically accurate at other times.

- Missions and gameplay get very repetitive.

- Why can't I pick anything up other than health and ammo. Common I want to use the environment to my advantage.

- Environment is no where near as destructible as it could be. Tin huts that look destructible are solid as a rock.

- Not enough animals around. This is Africa after all, there should be more wildlife including carnivores.

Overall it is an okay game that really falls down because of a large amount of small annoyances that add up to a less then exciting experience.

But I guess that is just my opinion.