Anyone tried this D5 pump top? O___O

[MomijiTMO]

I'm sure you all have seen it. I just saw it at OCAU tonight and came running here asking if you guys think it shall be good. . . . or completely crapsauce!


Pump Expansion Chamber (PEC)
http://www.primochill.com/images/T3_Blue.jpg
http://www.primochill.com/images/T3_back.jpg
The pumped version features TWO outlet ports and TWO inlet ports allowing two discrete loops on the same reservoir, pump, and radiator without the use of additional manifolds, “Y’s” or “T’s” which can decrease efficiency in the loop/s. As mentioned earlier it fits the D5 pump and will be available either with or without the pump for those who already own a D5.

The pump housing features a full 360 degree deep draw helix with an oversized (nearly double the stock D5) primary outlet that feeds an expansion chamber to decrease any pressure drop. The back of the housing is optimized for the dual bay upright mounting position so that water is spun up by a spiral structure that is humped (we buy it dinner first =) and ends in a very sharp edge at the inlet terminus which feeds water into the impeller at a decreased angle that lowers motor loading.


Although it obviously will not run two loops as well as it would one, it comes closer then you might think, and certainly closer then two loops created with “Y’s” or “T’s” or manifolds. It will outperform a single loop that feeds both a CPU and video card/s in cooling power because all components are getting cooler water—you’re not feeding preheated water from one component into the next component on the chain.

Users only wanting to run one loop can simply use the included plugs to cap off one pair of ports. The pumped version is a true two bay solution because all four ports face directly rearward. There is no need to use one or more bays above or bellow the reservoir to allow for turning radius on your tubing. Obviously the eight port standard is also a true two bay solution.

Stay tuned for more pictures/info and Release Dates...

Linkaroo (http://www.primochill.com/)



EDIT : Errr it might be new.
EDIT V2 : Cheers RRR for the correction.

[WaterFlex]

Nice top.

[twwen2]

Wow. Just look at that!

The blue leds are sure to mesmerise some...:p:
I wonder how it would perform, pumping into the res like that?:confused:

[septim]

water would probably flow to the path with least resistance...
i would guess, it would have unequal flow most likely...

[xTKxhom3r]

i cant wait till that top is out ill take 2 :D

[Giannis86]

if this fits in a bay and performs well too it could be a nice investment for many

[WaterFlex]

if this fits in a bay and performs well too it could be a nice investment for many

I`m agree.:yepp:

[MomijiTMO]

Yeah it is a double bay combo.

[dingdong555]

Looks VERY promising! :clap:

[RealRedRaider]

Momo...

It's a pump top for the D5, not DDC..:up:

[MomijiTMO]

Hmmm I think I'll go edit that right now :p:

[coolmiester]

I think its a D5 top not DDC

[MomijiTMO]

You think correctly :D

[KaptCrunch]

it didn't say what was the material made of ?

looks filling, priming can be hell for location is top of loop and fill ports on front :down:.

the 2 plugs in front are useless should have them on the top / bottom = fill-burp / drain-refresh

Although it obviously will not run two loops as well as it would one, it comes closer then you might think, and certainly closer then two loops created with “Y’s” or “T’s” or manifolds. It will outperform a single loop that feeds both a CPU and video card/s in cooling power because all components are getting cooler water—you’re not feeding preheated water from one component into the next component on the chain.


how outlet ports located = manifold 1 will push more the other, only bling factor here best use 1port

[KaptCrunch]

its a D5 set-up using bracket with 4 screws and 0-ring to hold pump to res

[MomijiTMO]

Well they have this other item I didn't bother mentioning.

http://www.primochill.com/images/T3_Port.jpg

"Fill/Bleed Trap"

[WaterFlex]

super good looking. Very impressive.

[BlueAqua]

It looks interesting. At least it's something to dress up the D5. I wonder if it still has the big black screw down ring.

So is that the size of 2 5.25" bays?

[AndrewZorn]

I might get this solely as a mounting thing. That would be really easy, to have the reservoir and pump right in a bay.

[Bojamijams]

Top port is a must IMO for filling.

[Eddie3dfx]

OMG.. I didn't realize this was for the D5.
That thing looks awesome.

One port can be used with a temp sensor. One port is input output. The other can be used as fill.

[RealRedRaider]

OMG.. I didn't realize this was for the D5.
That thing looks awesome.

It does look nice, but IMO, not a top performer...:rolleyes:

[Eddie3dfx]

It does look nice, but IMO, not a top performer...:rolleyes:

Here is what the primochill resevoir states...


Warranty: The Typhoon reservoir comes with a 1 year limited warranty. Using a coolant based on Ethylene Glycol in our reservoirs will void the warranty due to deterioration of the glue joints. We recommend using a less abrasive coolant like PrimoChill's PC Ice!

:eek:

[Aldy402]

It does look nice, but IMO, not a top performer...:rolleyes:

Its more for versatility then anything. Good for users to plug in 2 loops sharing the same res to save space.. looks extremely easy to drain both loops as well..

also nice to utilize the other ports for temp sensors,LEDS and possible elbow drain valves..

it's nice to see some innovations rather then refreshes....

[RealRedRaider]

Its more for versatility then anything. Good for users to plug in 2 loops sharing the same res to save space.. looks extremely easy to drain both loops as well..

also nice to utilize the other ports for temp sensors,LEDS and possible elbow drain valves..

it's nice to see some innovations rather then refreshes....

To Each Their Own, R3's MANTRA....;)

Two Loops on one pump ??? :confused:

[Aldy402]

To Each Their Own, R3's MANTRA....;)

Two Loops on one pump ??? :confused:

yea I wouldn't do it either ... but at least we know that the option is there...
I want to see some pics of it attached to a D5..

[hotdun]

To Each Their Own, R3's MANTRA....;)

Two Loops on one pump ??? :confused:

It looks like 2 loops would be optional......with 2 of the BP low profile jobs that is :)

[RealRedRaider]

It looks like 2 loops would be optional......with 2 of the BP low profile jobs :)

Not questioning if it is possible, rather why one would consider that as an option...:confused:

[Petra]

how outlet ports located = manifold 1 will push more the other, only bling factor here best use 1port

Yup... try to run two loops off that thing and you'll, effectively, be running them in parallel. Assuming that the two loops had an identical pressure drop, the flow would be split 50/50 and differences in pressure drop would result in the split being biased to the loop with the lowest pressure drop. Now, running loops in parallel does mean that the total pressure drop is lower but it's not usually enough to compensate for the flow split.

[Waterlogged]

I'm sure you all have seen it. I just saw it at OCAU tonight and came running here asking if you guys think it shall be good. . . . or completely crapsauce!



Linkaroo (http://www.primochill.com/)



EDIT : Errr it might be new.
EDIT V2 : Cheers RRR for the correction.

You need to pay more attention MomijiTMO. ;)

I accidentally mucked up DetroitAC's D5 top thread (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3327345) asking if skinnee could test this top as well if it was available at that time.

[AndrewZorn]

How does everyone get a temp sensor into an 'empty' plug hole? Do you make one yourself, with sealant, or can you buy a plug with a pre-fitted sensor?

[Eddie3dfx]

How does everyone get a temp sensor into an 'empty' plug hole? Do you make one yourself, with sealant, or can you buy a plug with a pre-fitted sensor?

Yeah, koolance, bitspower, alphacool, and a few others make 1/4" plugs that are temp sensors.

[Big_Daddy]

How does everyone get a temp sensor into an 'empty' plug hole? Do you make one yourself, with sealant, or can you buy a plug with a pre-fitted sensor?


Compliments of PPC's


http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/BP-WTP-CT.jpg (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=393&products_id=23347)

[KaptCrunch]

Here is what the primochill resevoir states...


Warranty: The Typhoon reservoir comes with a 1 year limited warranty. Using a coolant based on Ethylene Glycol in our reservoirs will void the warranty due to deterioration of the glue joints. We recommend using a less abrasive coolant like PrimoChill's PC Ice!

:eek:

looks to be a desk weight ornament with that statement

forget any alcohol base fluids. to bad they can't make out of glass for us chilled users

[geoffsthaboss]

lets get one to martin!
--
really though i like this top, really spiffs up the d5
ive always wanted to see a XSPC d5 top, and this is close enough for me

[Sadasius]

Too bad they don't have one that uses 2 pumps instead or I would get one to try it out. I think it could a really cool line if they can expand on the variety of applications such as two loops etc.

[geoffsthaboss]

thatd be hard with the d5 just cuz its so big
much easier with the DDC because of the smaller size

[Sadasius]

I don't think it would be hard at all actually. The motor of the pump is all your using. It's the clamp ring and top that makes it wider then anything else. A res with two separate compartments for two pumps would work out nicely and save a hell of a lot of space and time in managing hardware etc. Also to make it really smart you can have a removable center piece for those really big single loops. That way it is versatile as well. Heck got one pump? Just use a block plate and plugs.

[axis]

Is it not physically big enough, in terms of fluid volume, to feed the D5 and another pump off one of the lower rear ports? That would give you a common reservior for two pumps, thus saving you quite a bit of space and hassle of watching two seperate reserviors.

Axis

[BreeSpree]

Uhm, if there is 4 fittings on that thing and it's for 2 loops off one pump, I think the product is crapsauce. Also, as RRR said, it could not be one of the top performers. The design seems flawed and it may actually be worse than the regular D5 without the top. It looks like it will lose flow rate, because it is does not look as compact as the other pump tops. I know it is supposed to be a res, so you should see it, but if this was made out of delrin and had a better design it would be great. I do like the idea that it fits in your 5.25 bays though. Would also be very cool if they made a dual D5 version.

[NaeKuh]

im getting ideas with this unit and a shuttle box.

:rofl:

i might actually want to get one for the hell of it. I have 4 D5's sitting unused because there too big and ugly.

[Sadasius]

Hmmmm I am thinking of buying one of these and doing some surgery. Would be cool to get it made out of delrin or acetal instead of the plexi. Maybe just leave the front plexi or something that way I would not be paranoid all the time and checking in the case for cracks with a flashlight.

[BoxGods]

I am not sure on the policy here on company reps commenting on products in the forums. I am not really a rep for Primo Chill, but I did design the Typhoon III. Not finding the TOS anywhere either so I will post a little info and if thats a problem a moderator can let me know.

There are 2 versions. A pumped version, and a standard version.

Yes there IS some pressure drop compared to a pump running one loop but you gain some of that back by not pumping heated water from one component into the next on the loop, or removing unneeded T's, Y's, L's and manifolds that restrict flow on traditional 2 loop systems.

The warranty being linked to earlier in the thread is to the Typhoon I from long ago. The warranty for the Typhoon III is 3 years. Please see:
http://www.primochill.com/

Samples are being sent to Martin, and skinnee for independent evaluation. They SHOULD be getting them in about 14 to 20 days.

Fill ports on the front make more sense for most users then ports on top. To fill the system you tilt your case onto it's back which makes the reservoir the highest point in the loop. There are 2 fill/bleed ports in a built in catch basin to make filling easier. The inner surface is domed so that you can fill the loop 100% with NO trapped air. To drain your system or to flush it you simply tilt the case onto its front, making the reservoir the LOWEST point in the loop, and remove a plug, much like draining the oil from your car. Again, the domed inside allows you to drain it DRY.

There are a great many enhancements in the inlet and outlet/s among other things so performance may surprise some of you. That said, Typhoon III is not aimed at the harder core water coolers in here, but rather users looking for solid performance, easy user friendly mounting, good looks, etc.. I could have designed the 48th after market D5 pump top and increased performance by .0005 percent but rather chose to think outside the box, try a new approach and do a quality design.

No, you really can't fit two D5's on a dual bay reservoir effectively. You will note with all 4 ports on the pumped version pointing rearward the Typhoon III is a true 2 slot solution as there is no turning radius required above or bellow for the loop.

Yes there is a dual DDC version coming shortly, likely by or before Christmas.

I can list all the included compression and barbed fittings and LED plugs (all are clear) and post images if anyone is interested. The package is very complete.

Price for the pumped version without pump is expected to be $60 USD I believe but am not sure as I have nothing to do with that.

That is all I can remember from the thread lol.

If anyone has more questions I will be happy to do my best to answer, again if that is OK with the admins. If not, please just let me know.

[hotdun]

I am not sure on the policy here on company reps commenting on products in the forums. I am not really a rep for Primo Chill, but I did design the Typhoon III....

Well, that pretty much says it all. Cool idea and nice design :up: Looking forward to the reviews.

[crazy1323]

I want to see some test on these before I buy one. I would be very very interested in the dual DDC version for my EK Supreme CPU loop.

EDIT: do you think with a little scuffing up this could be painted black or would that have bad effects on the plastic?

[Herc130]

Two Loops on one pump ???

I wouldn't run it one pump for two loops, but two loops with two pumps each with this res/top would be tempting for my motherboard loop/s. I like a back up pump on all loops and was considering running a loop for the NB/SB and a loop for memory and mosfets.....but no way would I do that because of how many pumps I'd need. This is a very nice solution. Will use the same two pumps I had planned for everything on the motherboard other then cpu/gpu and split it into two loops and still have back up pumpage. Or I could take the four pumps I had planned for the two video card loops and only go with 3 pumps...the third pump using this res/top and joining the two loops together in the res before it splits off into different rads and then to VGA pump 1 and VGA pump 2


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4439/resqm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Only problem is I run DDC's....hmm oh well

[BoxGods]

I want to see some test on these before I buy one. I would be very very interested in the dual DDC version for my EK Supreme CPU loop.

EDIT: do you think with a little scuffing up this could be painted black or would that have bad effects on the plastic?

Martin and skinnee are going to beat numbers out of it so you will have them =)

DDC version has actually been fun to design and I am also waiting anxiously for it as I have a Lian-Li v300 SFF waiting for one. It should allow me to install the dual bay rez on one side, and an optical drive on the other.

I designed the T3 to be modder friendly and insisted Primo Chill make BOTH versions available unassembled so that modders can hack it up however they want, change the flow wheel, paint it or anything else.

***EDIT*** I need to be clear, Typhoon III ships assembled and ready to roll, but any modders wanting the unit NOT welded together can contact Primo Chill or me at BoxGods.com about the modders version.

It is cast acrylic so yes it can be painted, though I would not paint the inside (obviously) and would use Painters touch type plastic paints. Also, both reservoirs will come with complete fitting packages including molded clear compression fittings and LED plugs...these will be polycarbonate...I cant imagine you wanting to paint them, but modders think of reasons to do things all the time. Anyone remember the cig lighter mod? lol

[Martinm210]

Oh..nice...glad to see the use of polycarbonate...that's great and should ensure some nice durability!

[BoxGods]

I wouldn't run it one pump for two loops, but two loops with two pumps each with this res/top would be tempting for my motherboard loop/s. I like a back up pump on all loops and was considering running a loop for the NB/SB and a loop for memory and mosfets.....but no way would I do that because of how many pumps I'd need. This is a very nice solution. Will use the same two pumps I had planned for everything on the motherboard other then cpu/gpu and split it into two loops and still have back up pumpage. Only problem is I run DDC's....hmm oh well

I used to say the same thing lol. Keeping in mind T3 is NOT designed to be the worlds fastest D5 top, look at it a different way. Years back when DD and a few others were breaking out with the MAZE the CPU was much hotter then video cards of the time. My Matrox G400 had a tiny little passive heat sink. Now its reversed...cards are getting hotter and hotter and CPU's are using less and less power.

Do you pump water from a single loop through your quad core CPU, then into and through one or two video cards? My thinking was that yes you are going to loose some pressure splitting the loops but your pumping cooler water into your components. If the point is to have the worlds most powerful D5 great, I can eek out 1% gains as well as the next guy. For most though the goal is more cooling efficiency. Even if you split your favorite D5 top into two loops using a manifold, some Y's, T's, L,s etc you loose that small % of gain over T3 because you get shorter cleaner runs...

Again, I was just trying a new approach.

[Navanod]

Woot~~
I'm already on PC ICE, hehe
If the price is really $60USD or there about, this will be really tempting!

[BoxGods]

I wouldn't run it one pump for two loops, but two loops with two pumps each with this res/top would be tempting for my motherboard loop/s. I like a back up pump on all loops and was considering running a loop for the NB/SB and a loop for memory and mosfets.....but no way would I do that because of how many pumps I'd need. This is a very nice solution. Will use the same two pumps I had planned for everything on the motherboard other then cpu/gpu and split it into two loops and still have back up pumpage. Or I could take the four pumps I had planned for the two video card loops and only go with 3 pumps...the third pump using this res/top and joining the two loops together in the res before it splits off into different rads and then to VGA pump 1 and VGA pump 2


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4439/resqm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Only problem is I run DDC's....hmm oh well

Looks like the Darth Bevis approach...stuff rads, pumps, and reservoirs in till the case bursts, then get a bigger case and stuff 43 fans in it lol.

Do you know ProTek by any chance? He is a modding buddy of mine living in HI (how many of you can there be there right? =)

[BoxGods]

Woot~~
I'm already on PC ICE, hehe
If the price is really $60USD or there about, this will be really tempting!

The initial pricing I saw from Primo Chill (my design fees are determined partially from this information so I pay attention =) was:

$50 USD for the standard 8 port with flow indicator.
$60 USD for the Pumped version w/o pump.
$120 USD for the Pumped with D5.

Again, I have no say at all on pricing and those numbers could change.

Considering its a pump top, 2 port manifold, fill port etc all in one and comes with a full set of killer clear fittings including my rather snazzy :) tool free LED plugs...the price is pretty fair (IMHO).

[Primo_Brian]

Hello All,
Just thought I would pop in and see what is going on, and it seems to be a bunch....lol...:shocked:

Oh..nice...glad to see the use of polycarbonate...that's great and should ensure some nice durability!

Here are some teaser images of the Polycarbonate Ghost fittings and Tool included LED plug..WOW....a tool NICE..

http://www.primochill.com/images/Ghost_cap_plug.jpg

http://www.primochill.com/images/Ghost_blue.jpg

There is a HEX shaped pocket in the back of the plug. The cap has the same HEX and is used as a wrench to tighten the plug in place. You then insert your LED into the pocket and use the cap to secure it in place.

The clear G1/4 Ghost fittings will come with the Typhoon III also. One pair each of 1/2" and 3/8". The colored versions will sell separately in several colors. They completely disappear when installed. ZERO fitting shows so modders will have very clean looking installations. The 1/2" will also be a high volume (.40" ID) fitting.

Nice work Geno :clap:

[Waterlogged]

I used to say the same thing lol. Keeping in mind T3 is NOT designed to be the worlds fastest D5 top, look at it a different way. Years back when DD and a few others were breaking out with the MAZE the CPU was much hotter then video cards of the time. My Matrox G400 had a tiny little passive heat sink. Now its reversed...cards are getting hotter and hotter and CPU's are using less and less power.

Do you pump water from a single loop through your quad core CPU, then into and through one or two video cards? My thinking was that yes you are going to loose some pressure splitting the loops but your pumping cooler water into your components. If the point is to have the worlds most powerful D5 great, I can eek out 1% gains as well as the next guy. For most though the goal is more cooling efficiency. Even if you split your favorite D5 top into two loops using a manifold, some Y's, T's, L,s etc you loose that small % of gain over T3 because you get shorter cleaner runs...

Again, I was just trying a new approach.

Don't mean to be a wet dish rag but, GPU's aren't temp limited when OC'ing these days (for the average user) and are much more tolerant of higher temps so any water they get is pretty much all they'll ever need. We routinely see GPU's drop 30°C to 40°C when ppl go from air to water, another couple degrees cooler water isn't going to help them at all. I do look forward to the testing and release of these though as I see it as a way to possibly now fit a D5 into one of my mATX cases....on the other hand, that dual DDC res is sounding just as good. :idea: http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/ruinkai/FIREdevil.gif

[HotGore]

Sell it for $75 or less and fits in one or two 5.25" bays then I am sold.

[skinnee]

Don't mean to be a wet dish rag but, GPU's aren't temp limited when OC'ing these days (for the average user) and are much more tolerant of higher temps so any water they get is pretty much all they'll ever need. We routinely see GPU's drop 30°C to 40°C when ppl go from air to water, another couple degrees cooler water isn't going to help them at all. I do look forward to the testing and release of these though as I see it as a way to possibly now fit a D5 into one of my mATX cases....on the other hand, that dual DDC res is sounding just as good. :idea: http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/ruinkai/FIREdevil.gif

my interest has definitely been perked up on the ddc res!

[evilsponge]

I like it

-sponge

[geoffsthaboss]

The initial pricing I saw from Primo Chill (my design fees are determined partially from this information so I pay attention =) was:

$50 USD for the standard 8 port with flow indicator.
$60 USD for the Pumped version w/o pump.
$120 USD for the Pumped with D5.

Again, I have no say at all on pricing and those numbers could change.

Considering its a pump top, 2 port manifold, fill port etc all in one and comes with a full set of killer clear fittings including my rather snazzy :) tool free LED plugs...the price is pretty fair (IMHO).
those prices are really really nice considering what that package comes with
Sell it for $75 or less and fits in one or two 5.25" bays then I am sold.
gah thats tooooo much

[MomijiTMO]

Wow thanks PrimoChill connected people for dropping in. As you can see the majority of guys like what they see and we appreciate the samples being sent to some members.

[twwen2]

Wow thanks PrimoChill connected people for dropping in. As you can see the majority of guys like what they see and we appreciate the samples being sent to some members.

Yeah it's good to see more and more reps here at XS. Props to you Primochill fella(s?) :)

[BoxGods]

Don't mean to be a wet dish rag but, GPU's aren't temp limited when OC'ing these days (for the average user) and are much more tolerant of higher temps so any water they get is pretty much all they'll ever need. We routinely see GPU's drop 30°C to 40°C when ppl go from air to water, another couple degrees cooler water isn't going to help them at all. I do look forward to the testing and release of these though as I see it as a way to possibly now fit a D5 into one of my mATX cases....on the other hand, that dual DDC res is sounding just as good. :idea: http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/ruinkai/FIREdevil.gif

I did over simplify by only selecting 2 components and a specific direction. Adding in chipset/s etc etc. And your right of course...but that applies to the small pressure drop on a Dual loop too then doesn't it?

[BoxGods]

Wow thanks PrimoChill connected people for dropping in. As you can see the majority of guys like what they see and we appreciate the samples being sent to some members.

Kind of creeps me out actually lol. Most of the forums I frequent frown on it...rather used too I guess as I have even seen a bit of it now in [H].

Part of the process I don't really care for...like writing the book then having to do a book tour lol.

I admit I was expecting this particular forum to be a LOT rougher because I have seen people complaining in other forums about it being Fan Boys or flame fests in here...goes to show you rumors are seldom true as most everyone has been quite friendly. Hard questions does NOT mean unfriendly IMHO. This stuff cost money...

[MomijiTMO]

I admit I was expecting this particular forum to be a LOT rougher because I have seen people complaining in other forums about it being Fan Boys or flame fests in here...goes to show you rumors are seldom true as most everyone has been quite friendly. Hard questions does NOT mean unfriendly IMHO. This stuff cost money...
Well maybe if this came out a month ago when some people seemed to stuck on blunt mode. However everyone seems to be on the happy juice and it's good to see the positive thoughts. :)

[Go XS]

[SaiNRuB]

The clear G1/4 Ghost fittings will come with the Typhoon III also. One pair each of 1/2" and 3/8". The colored versions will sell separately in several colors. They completely disappear when installed. ZERO fitting shows so modders will have very clean looking installations. The 1/2" will also be a high volume (.40" ID) fitting.

Nice work Geno :clap:


:welcome:


I love the design of these ghost fittings. I was ready to buy some of the original ones.
Would love to see some installation shots.

The Typhoon III is also on my radar, great stuff!

[KaptCrunch]

The warranty being linked to earlier in the thread is to the Typhoon I from long ago. The warranty for the Typhoon III is 3 years.

If anyone has more questions I will be happy to do my best to answer, again if that is OK with the admins. If not, please just let me know.

question: has this material of unit been subjected to any of

alcohol

thermal cycling

UV lighting

in your testing of 3yrs

[AndrewZorn]

Okay, so now I really want this, especially considering price... but could there maybe be a way to buy it without the clear fittings for $15 less? I'd rather use metal ones, purchased separately.

[RealRedRaider]

@PrimoChill....

Have you considered making a reservoir for the almighty Iwaki RD30???

[Big_Daddy]

@Boxgods, This is the kinder gentler XS.

[Kayin]

I'm nabbing those fittings.

[BoxGods]

:welcome:


I love the design of these ghost fittings. I was ready to buy some of the original ones.
Would love to see some installation shots.

The Typhoon III is also on my radar, great stuff!

The Ghost fittings are great fittings that you have to see to appreciate. Tool free and invisible is a plus for modders.

I can't say much but I just finished an entire line of DROP DEAD gorgeous high flow fittings that are flat out going to knock peoples socks off. Stat tuned as they may even be done in time to ship with the T3.

[BoxGods]

question: has this material of unit been subjected to any of

alcohol

thermal cycling

UV lighting

in your testing of 3yrs

Alcohol no. Will need to though as I know acrylic and alcohol is usually bad.

UV yes. The plastic IS UV stabilized.

Thermal cycling within the normal water cooling range is also not a problem. The only seam on the part is not a simple flat edge but rather a rabbited step that is mass balanced. If your into DICE or even more extreme stuff...no idea but I wouldn't =)

I do have a killer DICE dual bay tray design but I can't find a company with a big enough set to produce it lol.

[BoxGods]

Okay, so now I really want this, especially considering price... but could there maybe be a way to buy it without the clear fittings for $15 less? I'd rather use metal ones, purchased separately.

As I posted earlier, I am a case modder so I am going to do my best to look out for modders. The base parts of Typhoon III WILL be available on Primo Chill's site for sale. This means if you want the front and back NOT glued together for w/e reason you can order one that way. You will also be able to order it with metal fittings. Resellers will likely not carry the individual parts to keep the number of SKU's down and to avoid tech support hassles when somebody glues a part to their forehead. I have not specifically asked Brian about the resellers though so that may not be the case.

I DO know Primo will have them for sure though as that was one of my stipulations for selling the design.

[BoxGods]

@PrimoChill....

Have you considered making a reservoir for the almighty Iwaki RD30???

I machined one myself for a buddy but I seriously doubt I could talk ANY company into producing a commercial model as the Iwaki is just too $$$.

I actually have made quite a few "upgrades" for it out of aluminum that kick ass that I could never sell lol.

[BoxGods]

@Boxgods, This is the kinder gentler XS.

Yeah...now I have to go to [H] to watch Red poke DB with a stick =)

[BoxGods]

Kayin;3342764']I'm nabbing those fittings.

Primo Chill WILL be selling the fittings stand alone in clear and selected colors.

Your going to fall over when you see the whole line.

I think I may have sold my rad design this morning so be ready for that as well.

[geoffsthaboss]

when are we going to be seeing these goodies on shelves?
weeks or months?

[BoxGods]

Martin and skinnee--

I can confirm that the production samples DID ship today from Asia.

http://www.primochill.com/images/T3_PSample1.jpg

http://www.primochill.com/images/T3_PSample.jpg

Just as an FYI the production parts will have nickel plated inserts not the brass shown in the picture. They are only sending 5 units...but your covered skinnee as your getting mine. :( The plugs and fittings are also NOT done yet but I would like to ship to you guys without them as I do not see that affecting your testing. Metal Ghosts are almost identical (and have the same ID as their polycarbonate counterparts). Your call however.

[xTKxhom3r]

nice!! man i cant wait !!

[MomijiTMO]

:up:

Go PrimoChill.

[RealRedRaider]

Anxious to see the performance results...

[BoxGods]

Anxious to see the performance results...

You and me both =)

Judging by your system specs though I don't see you in T3's target demographic lol.

What are the T's in your avatar for? (I only ask because I am in WAY South Texas)

[RealRedRaider]

TexasTech.... It's in the PanHandle of Texas

Guns Up RedRaiders...

#7 in the country, bro...:up:

I'm only interested in how a DDC version performs against the Mighty XSPC Reservoir Top...:D

I don't fit any mold of a certain demographic, rather interested in a top performer that looks sexy...:up: ;)

[AndrewZorn]

As I posted earlier, I am a case modder so I am going to do my best to look out for modders. The base parts of Typhoon III WILL be available on Primo Chill's site for sale. This means if you want the front and back NOT glued together for w/e reason you can order one that way. You will also be able to order it with metal fittings. Resellers will likely not carry the individual parts to keep the number of SKU's down and to avoid tech support hassles when somebody glues a part to their forehead. I have not specifically asked Brian about the resellers though so that may not be the case.

I DO know Primo will have them for sure though as that was one of my stipulations for selling the design.
Great!

But glue? Why not bolts and an o-ring? I'll leave that to you, I guess.

[Eddie3dfx]

Nickel plated what... Nickel plated aluminum or nickel plated steel?
:(

[Gir92]

Can you release any info on how the separate ghost barbs will be priced?

Excellent product. :up:

[evil-98]

Nickel plated what... Nickel plated aluminum or nickel plated steel?
:(

come on eddie... hes talking about the inserts that dont touch any water...

anyways

woot, that looks really nice :up:

[Eddie3dfx]

come on eddie... hes talking about the inserts that dont touch any water...

anyways

woot, that looks really nice :up:

Oh.. Okay, skipped that part. Glad you clarified that up :up:

[geoffsthaboss]

You and me both =)

Judging by your system specs though I don't see you in T3's target demographic lol.

What are the T's in your avatar for? (I only ask because I am in WAY South Texas)
hha what exactly is the t3's target demographic if not the high end watercooler enthusiast?

(how far south texas?)

[afX]

Lets make sure during one of these reviews someone mounts them in a nice case fills it up with Feser-One or a UV dye and bombs it with blacklight, because I'm seriously considering using this for my DAW.

[hotdun]

Boxgods, looks nice! :up: Can't wait to see Martin and Skinnee's test results. Martin I love how you keep adding items onto your test schedule. :ROTF:

Nickel plated what... Nickel plated aluminum or nickel plated steel?
:(

Eddie...:rofl:.....awesome defensive move on the "nickel plated" comment!
I know where you're coming from brother! It's the XS conditioning....

[skinnee]

Lets make sure during one of these reviews someone mounts them in a nice case fills it up with Feser-One or a UV dye and bombs it with blacklight, because I'm seriously considering using this for my DAW.

I don't have an extra case I can mount it in...but your request is noted! :up:

[BoxGods]

Great!

But glue? Why not bolts and an o-ring? I'll leave that to you, I guess.

The two halves are actually bonded together with a process called immersion welding. By "glued" I meant guys at home who may not have the tanks etc to do that.

From a design perspective (aka my opinion) the screws and O ring gasket system just has too many downsides. The added complexity boosts costs, increases user error which increases tech support issues/complaints, reduces internal volume, and is a nightmare to produce with injection molding. The company that is producing the T3 and I went round and round on wall thickness because of sag or slump--both of which look like crap.

My original version had the face as a separate part that uses an O ring and screws and the front was just too busy looking. I then moved the O ring/face to the back and thought I had the aesthetic problem beat...but it was WORSE because the part is clear it MAGNIFIED the O ring and screws lol. It also made the part so deep that draft went up to 5 degrees...

With all things taken into consideration immersion welded halves worked out best.

[BoxGods]

Can you release any info on how the separate ghost barbs will be priced?

Excellent product. :up:

No I can't (again I only did the design work and don't work for Primo).

I know the metal Ghosts are for sale already so their price point is established. I would imagine the polycarbonate versions will be cheaper though I have no idea by how much. Injected polycarbonate parts are cheaper per part right up till you add in the tooling. I saw the tooling estimate for the whole line of fittings/plumbing parts this AM and I can say VERY seriously say that you could buy a nice car for less...neighborhood of $20K - $25K. You have to sell a LOT of parts at $2 USD a pop to even break even lol.

Frankly that's why modders and w/c guys don't already have killer polycarbonate fittings already is that no company wants to wait a few years to see a return on that big an investment. My hats off to Brian because if he goes ahead with this he is basically self financing a BIG group buy so we have killer parts.

[BoxGods]

hha what exactly is the t3's target demographic if not the high end watercooler enthusiast?

(how far south texas?)

Well, about as far South as you can go...like throw a rock 3 times and hit Mexico almost lol.

The target demographic is those people wanting a quality part that makes water cooling a little bit easier. Everyone in here already knows all the benefits of water cooling are substantial...so why aren't a LOT more people doing it? Difficulty, fear etc. Water cooling is nowhere near the "black art" it was back when we were cross drilling copper slugs for blocks but it is still harder then slapping an air cooler on.

So my goal for this product (and most of the recent designs I have worked on) was making it easier to mount a pump in the most obvious and convenient location, placing the connections for plumbing in a more accessible location not only on the part, but in relation to the parts installed location. Also to make filling, bleeding air, and flushing coolant as straight forward and simple as possible for ANY installed location or component combination. I don't think there is an easier solution on the market.

I still wanted it to be cool enough and useful enough for more experienced users and have enough potential to appeal to modders (my days of hard core cooling are mostly gone as I now water cool because it makes mods LOOK cooler).

A lot of the guys in here are the type to change out a pump top for a new one that has 1% better raw performance. That's not T3. That said, T3 will still help every hard core guy in here (I hope) because it will make things easier for new users and casual water coolers. More people in the fold makes it a more attractive market segment so companies can also turn out the very low margin parts you guys like to tinker with for Halo effect.

[BoxGods]

Lets make sure during one of these reviews someone mounts them in a nice case fills it up with Feser-One or a UV dye and bombs it with blacklight, because I'm seriously considering using this for my DAW.

I am just about positive Primo Chill would prefer they use the Primo Chill line of fluids ;)

[BoxGods]

Rocky is also correct. None of the brass parts are in contact with cooling fluid. The only reason they are even plating the inserts is because I about croaked when I saw the garish brass ones...was a funny conversation with the Chinese rep:

Geno: WTF! Thats a LOT of brass. We are going to need those to be stainless or aluminum.
Rep: What wrong Brass? It warm and traditional metal.
Geno: Yeah, for bullet casings and boat parts maybe. Has to be a silver color. Can you plate those?
Rep: West is crazy. Yes plating is OK but will be more cost.

He actually said we were crazy lol.

[Gir92]

Thank you for your replies BoxGods.

As a future note, next to the "quote" button, there is the "multi-quote" button. This allows you to add all your quotes up into one post. Simply click on the multi quote button of every post that you want to quote until you get to the very last post that you want to quote. On that last post, just click the regular quote and it will have all of those posts quoted for you in one reply.

:up:

[Martinm210]

Looks great! I'm looking forward to trying it out. I used to be a T-line guy, but after using the XSPC restop on my DDC, I like the res/pump combos...:)

[AndrewZorn]

The two halves are actually bonded together with a process called immersion welding. By "glued" I meant guys at home who may not have the tanks etc to do that.

From a design perspective (aka my opinion) the screws and O ring gasket system just has too many downsides. The added complexity boosts costs, increases user error which increases tech support issues/complaints, reduces internal volume, and is a nightmare to produce with injection molding. The company that is producing the T3 and I went round and round on wall thickness because of sag or slump--both of which look like crap.

My original version had the face as a separate part that uses an O ring and screws and the front was just too busy looking. I then moved the O ring/face to the back and thought I had the aesthetic problem beat...but it was WORSE because the part is clear it MAGNIFIED the O ring and screws lol. It also made the part so deep that draft went up to 5 degrees...

With all things taken into consideration immersion welded halves worked out best.
Okay, I suppose 'glue' just scared me. "Immersion welding" sounds better. I'd like to be getting one of these alone or with metal barbs very soon.

[afX]

I don't have an extra case I can mount it in...but your request is noted! :up:

thanks very much, it doesn't have to be a case just filling it with some Primochill PC-ICE and a UV light would be very helpful :), If you would like me to have a bottle shipped to you just hit me with a PM.

I am just about positive Primo Chill would prefer they use the Primo Chill line of fluids ;)

Yes... where are my manners, I don't use Fexer-0n3, I don't even know ehat that is, honest. :cool:

[BoxGods]

Thank you for your replies BoxGods.

As a future note, next to the "quote" button, there is the "multi-quote" button. This allows you to add all your quotes up into one post. Simply click on the multi quote button of every post that you want to quote until you get to the very last post that you want to quote. On that last post, just click the regular quote and it will have all of those posts quoted for you in one reply.

:up:

WoW How handy is THAT? Sorry for the log jam of posts everyone. My forums are not nearly this fancy =)

Could you also tell me how you answer a PM without having to use the quote button? I can't find a "reply" button lol.

[BoxGods]

Okay, I suppose 'glue' just scared me. "Immersion welding" sounds better. I'd like to be getting one of these alone or with metal barbs very soon.

Well, if your picturing how dual bay reservoirs have been built to this point I don't blame you. Those are traditionally 6 rectangles flat glued which of course sucks. The T3 only has one seam and it is a stepped or rabbited joint like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Woodworking-joint-rebate.gif

there are actually 3 bonding surfaces. That said, I don't want to mislead you though either. It is still a type of glue. How it works is that each half is placed joint down in a tray with 3 or 4 mm of a special solvent and left there for about 60 or so seconds. This is the immersion part and completely covers all the bonding surfaces of both parts without relying on wicking. It basically melts those surfaces so that when the two halves are clamped together they infuse into a monolithic structure. Because the joint area is mass balanced (the area near the bonding edge on each part have the same general dimensions and mass) the two halves contract and expand at the same rate from temperature changes.

The joint is so tight that prior to the immersion you cant push the parts together as there is ZERO clearance. This also makes it impossible to separate the halves for modders which is why they will be sold on Primo's site unassembled for modders wanting to change out the wheels, add lights...or w/e they dream up.

It also saved tooling costs as both the standard and the pumped version share a common front. That lets me just design new backs, like the dual DDC without jacking the cost up out of reach. It also means we could make a different base for those wanting to use the pumps, but not in a bay...or add a middle section to increase volume, or mount a pump back directly to an acrylic case etc. We can also cast the pump rears in different plastics and colors, like black delrin for example while retaining a clear front.

[Cutless009]

the brass is killer, Id be far more inclined to buy one of these if it had brass inserts and not generic aluminum/streel with plating.

[skinnee]

Could you also tell me how you answer a PM without having to use the quote button? I can't find a "reply" button lol.

Think of the quote button as Reply, the PM system just includes original in all replies. :D

The reason I say that, there isn't a reply button, just Forward and Quote.

Also, on the topic of brass and plating. Will the inserts be nickel plated brass or nickel plated steel? Sorry if I missed this in one of your posts.

[BoxGods]

the brass is killer, Id be far more inclined to buy one of these if it had brass inserts and not generic aluminum/streel with plating.

Email Brian at Primo Chill and he may be able to have them do up one with brass.

Think of the quote button as Reply, the PM system just includes original in all replies. :D

The reason I say that, there isn't a reply button, just Forward and Quote.

Also, on the topic of brass and plating. Will the inserts be nickel plated brass or nickel plated steel? Sorry if I missed this in one of your posts.

The base metal will be brass and the plating will likely be chrome...maybe zinc as shiny chrome may be too much.

[BoxGods]

Also, if I didn't answer anyones question after a reasonable time and have answered others posted after yours I may have missed it. Just ask again please. I am watching 4-5 pages in half a dozen T3 forum threads (and growing) and it's a good bit to keep up with, (especially with Portal: Prelude just out =) You guys are the easiest bunch of the lot. Seems like on the rest I explain how the front ports work for fill/bleed/drain 3-4 times and people STILL post 3-4 posts later that they don't get it. Probably time for an illustration.

[skinnee]

See, and vendors/manufacturers are scared of us. We're just a knowledgable bunch is all. :up:

[BoxGods]

Brian received the production samples in today. A little worse for wear--one broken and the rest got a few scratches, but other wise OK. Rough ride in from China looks like. He is tracking down the assorted O rings etc. you guys will need to run water through them. I will let you know when they ship.

[BoxGods]

Turns out the scratches were from some cleaning solution left in the mold tooling so that is a relief. They are shipping a new batch and these will have the plated inserts too so if it is OK with you guys I would rather just ship out those. That and the fact that Brian accidentally tested one to failure...I will ask him if I can post the video as he makes a fairly unmanly sound when it goes off lol.

Had it on the bench filled with water, then used a big compressor to REALLY pump it up. No problem till it slides off the bench and makes the 3 foot fall to concrete...you guys remember those water rockets we played with as kids? Picture that, but with the sound a 6' 3" lumberjack makes when he makes a seat cushion vanish lol.

[skinnee]

:rofl: :rofl: yeah, I gotta see that video!

No worries, ship them whenever you are satisfied!